Russian women are not for everyone!

[prince_alfie]

Okay I'm afraid I'm going to have to chime in with my own opinion on the situation...

It's not that Russian women are not for everyone, it's that:

EVERYONE IS NOT FOR RUSSIAN WOMEN...

Okay, if America is supposed to be a democratic society, then yes, everyone has the right to pursue Russian women. But the question is suitability indeed. Right now I'm doing a little bit of matchmaking for a client named Eric who is making around $20,000 in downtown Manhattan. He leads a rather sparse life and eats only hot dogs and mac and cheese virtually every day. Unfortunately, he has worked only temp jobs for the past 4 years. Yet he is headed to Kiev next month to visit his g/f for the first time. Apparently, with a lot of persistence I'm sure that anything can happen.

But it boils down to suitability. I firmly believe in the value of Jane Austen's dictum: Silly things do cease to be silly if they are done by sensible people in an impudent way. Basically, if one chooses to be a responsible and politely forceful man, then Russian women will respect that.

For example, there is Russian gal named Vika who is dating a respectful physician who is American. Apparently they have a fairly stable relationship based on respect and understanding. It boils down to that in any country. It doesn't matter whether you are French or American or Chinese, the values are universal and the approach is clearcut.

Just be sensible and that's the solution... Don't do anything your mom wouldn't approve of...

[TexasBoar]

I If you push heathernism . . . blah blah woof woof . . .

    

You have a very limited idea of who I am and what I believe, and apparently, a wealth of misconceptions about both.

Unlike the fairy tales and rigid dichotomies pushed by asshat fundythumpers in THIS country . . . my "beliefs" are simply ways of living in the REAL world and holding to traditional values like honor, courage, and hard work.  We don't preach and we don't proselytze and unlike some looking for Southern Baptists overseas, I'm not concerned with whether or not an FSUW shares my beliefs . . . values and interests will be just fine.

*shrug*

Y'know, I'm mature enough to recognize good advice no matter how it's delivered, or by whom, and you provide plenty of that here.  The other stuff you spew, I'm urbane enough to either ignore or be actively amused by. 

~Boar

[ScottinCrimea]

One thing you have to realize is that RW are typically the only child in their family and the only grandchild of four very doting grandparents, so they are accustomed to being put on a pedestal and treated like little princesses.  But they also have the full financial support and encouragement to succeed.  So to be successful with a RW, all you have to do is the same.  Treat her like a princess and give her your full support.  Unfortunately, I found with AW that if you treat them this way their response is to believe that they are the queen and you are the servant.  With RW, the ressponse is very different.  They give back in kind and more.  This is their expectation of how a man should treat them and they respond with their idea of how a woman should treat a man, which in my experience is wonderful.

[Turboguy]

I know we all have our own ideas that are unique, but darn Scott I think you just nailed the essense of what I like about RW and at the same time did a perfect description of the problem in my marriage to an AW.  All in one paragraph and with an explaination I had not seen before.   You are good Scott.

[IAmZon]

I give a "diddo" to T/G's statement above

[catzenmouse]

This has been quite an interesting read so far.

I'll throw a couple of thoughts into the mix just because I can...

While it is all politically correct to say that everyone should and could have a shot at it the reality is very far off that mark.

And, sure you can have A, B, C, and D all lined up with E, and F being a bit shaky and still make a success of it. Rules & exceptions and all that BS.

In the end there are far and away a VAST majority of people who have a snowballs chance in hell of ever succeeding at this and an even LARGER majority of people who should not entertain a milliseconds worth of thought about even trying this.

Guys, you should all consider yourselves quite special! If you are involved in the process you are already above that majority of men, if you are in a committed relationship working towards the future you are another step up, and if you are happily married to an FSUW who is also happily married to you then you have the "Brass Ring" and are making it a reality. BUT it does not stop here nor does it get to be a "no brainer" after the wedding vows. The real work only begins after you are together. How well you are able to do this work over the long haul will really put you into that elusive "Cream of the Crop" level.

And no, I am not tooting my own horn here. We are still working through and on a lot of things after 2 years. Mostly because I am a first class pain in the butt to live with. And if she told me tomorrow that she has had enough of my being said pain in the butt I would not blame her one bit. And also, yes, I would still feel and believe that this woman is the best thing that has ever happened in my life and would not regret a second of it except for the trouble that I have caused her with tearing her life up to be with me.

Ken

[vwrw]

Two and a half years ago I was attend to an agency for a year. There I got acquainted with some women who had similar personality and attitudes as I have. Ever since and until they left Russia (Each of them left Russia April – June 2005) we were friends. Two of them had only one meeting with future husbands for 7 and 9 days in Russia. Four of them had two meeting with future husbands the number of days they spent together in Russia was 10 – 12 days. One of them spent with future husband more than 21 days before they were engaged. None of them was accompany by her future husbands to America. Each of them arrived to America on Friday. Four of their husband had no left vacation time to spend with their future wives when they arrive. One of the women who had very limited English, she flied to Chicago alone with transfer in New-York. She was too happy and did not feel a fear about her travel. After she said it was very easy and she had no any problem during her trip to Chicago.
Not all but many RW (especially those who look for husband abroad) like adventure. That is why men with limited vacation time have a chance with RW.
   
Viking, I am sure there are many women in Russia who are dreaming to meet such a kind of man as you are. I very much like your attitudes! You are an interesting and attractive man!

 Michelangelo said:
…Vik shared that most AM had told her the opposite--that AW were mostly fat and stupid. My sense is that the majority of the guys who go to the FSU looking for a woman have failed at home.  That's why they try the FSU.   FSU girls are harder to get along with that AM. Hence, the high divorce rate Gator has talked about.

I am agreed. And the 7 women and me, we stopped to correspond (without any explanations) with the men who begun to insult AW.

From I/O:
I have spent countless hours talking to Russian people, both men and women, defending particularly the Americans, trying to convince them that not all Westerners are fat and stupid.  They come back at me time and again with a few simple truths.  Some of them are these, The Americans don't know anything about this country and they don't even know which are the major cities, they don't really care and are not even interested,  The Americans are lazy and don't want to travel anywhere away from the major Airports

LOL…I/O, I guess the women who said you these filthy things were the ones that consider themselves to be meat during meeting with foreign men…
I/O, I have spent much more hours talking to Russian people than you have. Only a few Russian people have the attitudes about American people you said here.     

BTW, I heard a lot times from Russian men that only losers or second class’ women of RW are looking for and get married foreign men. LOL… I/O, are Russian men right? Is your girl loser or second class’ woman?
I personally enjoy seeing faces of those Russian men when I tell them that I am one of the women who are going to marry a AM.
Most Russian people would like to have the same level of life, opportunities as American people have. Some of Russian people work hard to have the life. Some of Russian people are lazy and stupid and prefer to say bad things about American people than to do something to change their own life.  

[Son of Clyde]

I hope I am the exception to the rule.
1) Never been married before
2) Had not been in a relationship for awhile
3) Not much vacation time
4) Woman had limited English skills
5) No experience raising teenagers
6) Earn less than 100k
It has been my aim to make it work regardless of these negative things. They can be turned around if you have the motivation and really care for your woman and her child.

So is it fair to say guys should not undertake a FSU woman for a wife?

Maybe ex cons, guys on welfare and guys who have never been on a date. I see no other reason for a guy to give up because we say he will not succeed.

[Michelangelo]

Michelangelo said:
…Vik shared that most AM had told her the opposite--that AW were mostly fat and stupid. My sense is that the majority of the guys who go to the FSU looking for a woman have failed at home.  That's why they try the FSU.   FSU girls are harder to get along with that AM. Hence, the high divorce rate Gator has talked about.

I am agreed. And the 7 women and me, we stopped to correspond (without any explanations) with the men who begun to insult AW.

Ah, here's a gem, guys.  Don't knock american women to the girls you meet in the FSU.  Disrespect for women is disrespect, and the smart FSU girl will put two and two together.  So even if you feel that way, better to be mum.
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Reminds me of the joke.....

An old farmer was plowing his field.  A U-Haul pulled over and the driver summoned the farmer over. 

"I'm looking for a good place to live.  How is this place?" said the stranger.

"Well, how was the place you moved from?" asked the old farmer. 

"Terrible!" said the stranger.  "The people were not friendly at all."

"Well," said the old farmer. "You'll find the people here just the same."

So the stranger drove on...

The next week another U-Haul pulled over, and the same conversation ensued.  And that driver drove on, too.

Then next week a third U-Haul came by, and once again, he summoned the old farmer over.

"I'm looking for a good place to live.  How is this place?" said the stranger.

"Well, how was the place you moved from?" asked the old farmer.

"Great!" said the stranger.  "The people there were friendly like you, and the salt of the earth."

"Well," said the old farmer. "You'll find the people here just the same."

So the stranger bought the adjoining farm, and lived there, happy ever after...

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[KenC]

One thing you have to realize is that RW are typically the only child in their family and the only grandchild of four very doting grandparents, so they are accustomed to being put on a pedestal and treated like little princesses.  But they also have the full financial support and encouragement to succeed.  So to be successful with a RW, all you have to do is the same.  Treat her like a princess and give her your full support.  Unfortunately, I found with AW that if you treat them this way their response is to believe that they are the queen and you are the servant.  With RW, the ressponse is very different.  They give back in kind and more.  This is their expectation of how a man should treat them and they respond with their idea of how a woman should treat a man, which in my experience is wonderful.

WOW, Scott, what a greatly informative post!  I have been with my Russian woman for over 8 years now, I have never figured this out because Lena certainly fits the profile you set forth.  A great great post!
KenC

[Michelangelo]

IMHO, FSU women are better than American women, but I never knocked AW to fsu girls.

VWRW confirms that is the smart thing to do.

[jb]

Okay, if America is supposed to be a democratic society, then yes, everyone has the right to pursue Russian women. But the question is suitability indeed. Right now I'm doing a little bit of matchmaking for a client named Eric who is making around $20,000 in downtown Manhattan. He leads a rather sparse life and eats only hot dogs and mac and cheese virtually every day. Unfortunately, he has worked only temp jobs for the past 4 years. Yet he is headed to Kiev next month to visit his g/f for the first time. Apparently, with a lot of persistence I'm sure that anything can happen.

Now that's truely scary.

[KenC]

I hope I am the exception to the rule.
1) Never been married before
2) Had not been in a relationship for awhile
3) Not much vacation time
4) Woman had limited English skills
5) No experience raising teenagers
6) Earn less than 100k
It has been my aim to make it work regardless of these negative things. They can be turned around if you have the motivation and really care for your woman and her child.

So is it fair to say guys should not undertake a FSU woman for a wife?

Maybe ex cons, guys on welfare and guys who have never been on a date. I see no other reason for a guy to give up because we say he will not succeed.

Clyde,
You have defied the odds on so many levels that you truly deserve a lot of credit.  I wouldn't have given you a snowballs chance in hell before.  Your success proves that there will always be exceptions, but it still does not increase the odds for the next guy.  
KenC

[Michelangelo]

Now that's truely scary.

Who said that, JB?  You left his name out when you quoted him (or her).

I agree....that is a scary thought!

[catzenmouse]

Who said that, JB?  You left his name out when you quoted him (or her).

I agree....that is a scary thought!

It was Alfie.

[ScottinCrimea]

Trying to understanding Russian women isn't brain surgery.  I've done both, and believe me, brain surgery is MUCH easier!

[I/O]

I personally enjoy seeing faces of those Russian men when I tell them that I am one of the women who are going to marry a AM. Most Russian people would like to have the same level of life, opportunities as American people have.

Helloooooooooooooooooo T/G are you out there anywhere.  I would be having a good hard long read of this if I was in your boots.  I have seen some pretty brash statements in my time around these forums, but this is about as brash as it gets.


I/O

[SANDRO43]

IMHO, FSU women are better than American women, but I never knocked AW to fsu girls. VWRW confirms that is the smart thing to do.

Old wisdom often still applies .

[Michelangelo]

Love the pic, Sandro 

[BillyB]

Alfie,  tell your client RW need stability as in job and life but not stability in eating hot dogs and macaroni and cheese everyday. He may find a RW who'd come to America with him but how's he going to support her and possibly some children on $20,000 a year living in New York? What's he living in?

[viking]

I/O

You may be reading that statement in the wrong context. I think that she knows that she  will have a better life and better opportunities. This should not be a secret to either her or Turbo. I am positive it was discussed. And if she shares this with others (RMs)and delights in their response, where is the harm? If this statement raises the spectre of a gold digger in your mind, I will tactfully suggest you are way off base.

[prince_alfie]

Now that's truely scary.

Yeah, but I do admire that guy for being dead on persistent. He is actually going over to Kiev next month which is a lot more than what most guys (including myself) have done...

Pretty motivated... at least he had a reasonably wonderful chance you know?

[prince_alfie]

Alfie,  tell your client RW need stability as in job and life but not stability in eating hot dogs and macaroni and cheese everyday. He may find a RW who'd come to America with him but how's he going to support her and possibly some children on $20,000 a year living in New York? What's he living in?

Yeah, but of course that's the big question. I told him all about the I-184 and he doesn't seem to care. I think that he is assuming that she won't mind being at the similar level of economics since she doesn't earn that much over in the Ukraine.

And the question is: Will she like hot dogs as much as my friend does? I wonder how their rendezvous in Kiev will be like...

My blog has more details about the Eric situation on the matter. Surprisingly Eric is making lots of moves which many guys don't have a chance due to fear.

[SANDRO43]

Yeah, but I do admire that guy for being dead on persistent.

You miss the point entirely about what's truly scary .

[prince_alfie]

You miss the point entirely about what's truly scary .

Indeed, but he's the type of guy who will do anything to get what he wants. Of course, he is interested in starting his own video game company but unfortunately he doesn't have investors yet on board (Jooky and I know him pretty well...)...