I need Advice.

[jinx13]

I have never been to Ukraine but met a lot of different people  from Ukraine and can tell am not positive about them they all made me suffered this or that way  , but that was my personal experience , maybe you will find them stunning hahha

The only advice for you be careful and always be attentive with your documents:)

 I can't tell you how many times a Moscow or St. Petersburg girl has said these same type words to me....I have never been to Ukraine, but I don't like Ukrainian's...what's up with that? That kind of snobbish attitude is a real turn off.

 

I just finished talking with Jack and he is gonna help us organize for the trip as well as the apartment and such. He knows a lot about the dating,apartments,etc.. Hopefully the trip will be fun and educational for my RICH arse..LOL

 From what I have seen in my time here, Jack makes a lot of money from the men of RWD. Such a 'helpful' guy. He's helping you all the way to the bank    Lurking in Discussion forums really pays off!

[LEGAL]

Well said JB! I love a  driven woman especially my beautiful Olechka and wouldn't want it any other way. You guys should see how Olga handles the attorney's.
I\O mmm Maybe I should throw a handgrenade in the room

Jazzy! Olga and I do really like you and please don't forget this, we are all a family here. :kissing:

Sincerely
LEGAL

[Jazzyclassy]

     I can't tell you how many times a Moscow or St. Petersburg girl has said these same type words to me....I have never been to Ukraine, but I don't like Ukrainians...what's up with that? That kind of snobbish attitude is a real turn off.

             

Oh from one hand you are completely right maybe that is snobbish and it is a very great mistake of big city people , we are suffering ourseves from this lack but only with time we can get rid of it, but you know there are always two sides of the problem the other thing is just as I already pointed out all the Ukraine people whom I met in my small little but  impressive  life:P they did something bad , like cheating on people, robbed me with clothing:) that is true honestly I gave one girl my blouse and she never returned that to me, even on such level they made not a good impression on me , plus it is their specific culture, we got even some proverbs concerning them I do not think if I can translate them right it is something like

Let it be calc from Russian language

like : where Ukraine person have been to -there is nothing left already  and like for other people there is nothing to take and nothing to get as Ukraine person took  everything what he could:) like every little thing in order for the other people to get nothing

am sorry that is very bad translation but I tried , really

I know there are tons of great Ukraine's and I am sure I will get rid of my prejudice am working on it, I hope to meet some nice Ukraine friends 


and you know it is actually great that it is turn off for you , cos that means you need to search for Ukraine woman not for Russian one:P:P:P:P so do not pull the leg to Russian woman , when from the start you want Ukraine:P hahah am joking

[Jazzyclassy]

          Jazzy! Olga and I do really like you and please don't forget this, we are all a family here       

Thank you , that is very kind of you , not sure if I deserve that

[Bruno]

Let it be calc from Russian language

like : where Ukraine person have been to -there is nothing left already  and like for other people there is nothing to take and nothing to get as Ukraine person took  everything what he could:) like every little thing in order for the other people to get nothing

But history show the reverse situation...

Below, a ukrainian boy...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Holodomor2.jpg

victim of Russian having taken HIS food...

Maybe a ukrainian have stole your clothe... but Russian have stole the LIFE from million of Ukrainian... next time that you hear or say so proverb, remember the holodomor...

[jinx13]

 Maybe Russian people should remember where the Russian culture began...in Kiev...KievRus started it all da?

 Bruno is right, Ukraine is called the bread basket of the FSU for a reason, so Russians could eat their wheat. When that was stolen it was a genocide against Ukrainian people. Not something thats talked about, but I'm sure many Ukrainians will never forget it, even my young g/f gets angry speaking about it.

 Maybe Ukrainians have some proverbs about Russians?

 p.s.  Jazzy,  I have dated both Russian and Ukraine girls...my current longtime g/f is Ukrainian.  The Russian women that I dated weren't as negative about Ukraine as you seem to be, but then again I have never dated a Moscow girl. It seems to be a big city attitude more than a national prejudice. Of course I have talked with Moscow women who are prejudice against Siberians and Southern Russians too, so I guess Moscow and St. Pete are better than the rest of Russia and the world ???

[LEGAL]

The Russian famous writer Anatoly Pristavkin said in his novel "A Golden Cloud Spent the Night...":"There are not bad nationalities in the World but just bad people".

Olga.

[Jazzyclassy]

        Maybe Russian people should remember where the Russian culture began...in Kiev...KievRus started it all da?

                     

So what?  What are you trying to say , you think I was born yesterday or what? I am very happy you  adore Ukraine , god bless you for that, and i never told that my attitude is completely negative or anything   I just rare met any good ukraines that's it

  Ukraine is called the bread basket of the FSU for a reason, so Russians could eat their wheat. When that was stolen it was a genocide against Ukrainian people. Not something thats talked about, but I'm sure many Ukrainians will never forget it, even my young g/f gets angry speaking about it.
         

Oh my God , think what are you talking about , you do not know things and state them ,  if only I could show these people like you that Moscow is full of Ukraine's Moldavians and other former republics , who are occupying the working places of simple Russians am not telling about Muscovites about Russians all over Russia and am sorry this Ukraine wanted to be living separate its self wanted to be pro Western pro American , so why do not you let them live in the USA , take them all under your paternity:) and I will see how you will talk then

Cos you are telling me only one way story, how Muscovites are  snobbish and those poor other people are victims it is all your  mistaken statements , hey what are we talking here about you have never been living here so it is not you to judge and to assume , you can only guess and cherish:P the  speech of your girlfriend , always do so:)))

 , when it was Soviet Union we all were brothers and sisters and yes Ukraine's and Belorussian  and Russian people are brothers but to me Belorussians are much more closer, at least there is much more in common at least for me

  but then again I have never dated a Moscow girl       

God deliver you from that:)

and you are wrong claiming Muscovites are negative , I like all the regions and other towns in our great Russia and there are a lot of towns I wanna go to and I have friends in Russia  I have relatives in Rostov on Don I am half Cossack myself  so I have no prejudice about village or city . it is just I was born in Moscow and has been living here for ages .

    so I guess Moscow and St. Pete are better than the rest of Russia and the world       

Again here you are throwing words , it is not true at all

plus if you had Russian girl you would be claiming other things , so let us  stick to our own opinions:)

If you once again I remind you , if you take a look at the political situation of Ukraine and how actually poor it is and how it is acting towards Russians , if you scrutinize the situation , Ukraine itself do not like Russia , Ukraine wants to be with USA , Ukraine thinks this way they will get freedom, but that is another question.........

So if Ukraine do not like Russia why then there are so many Ukraine young women without education and a lot Ukraine men also without education in Russia and in particular in Moscow? how mean it is to hate Russian but at the same time come to Russia and to earn money illegally!
and after this you will tell me that we do not like them? god if we did not like them , we would send them all back to the Ukraine:)

[Makkin]

Hello,

  I've never dated a Ukrainian girl/woman but only a Russian. I am going to Ukraine to date maybe a Ukrainian.

  I have worked with a Ukrainian woman/girl and she was very nice to me at all times. We had some REMARKABLE...conversations as she was a breath of fresh air with her attitudes and her keen mind. We never dated and we never tried to date but we spent a lot of time together and we always made great conversation.

  JazzyClass,

  It's good to see you here and I learn a lot from you.

Makkin

 

[Jazzyclassy]

Dear Makkin

Exactly:)

 people learn from each other and I of course do not want to tell anything bad about Ukraines or anything

on the contrary as they say here ukraine girls are very beautiful and very well build I mean according to their body and so I understand men , of course I do

so if all american men marry all ukraine girls it will be only an interesting  rebell which can shake this World and maybe we all can live in peace:)

if only that could happen:))))))))

[Mir]

'So if Ukraine do not like Russia why then there are so many Ukraine young women without education and a lot Ukraine men also without education in Russia and in particular in Moscow? how mean it is to hate Russian but at the same time come to Russia and to earn money illegally!
and after this you will tell me that we do not like them? god if we did not like them , we would send them all back to the Ukraine:)'

It is like the Muslims hate US and Europe but don't miss a chance to immigrate there legally or illegally!
However you are wrong to assume that the country that allows people to immigrate is doing it from the goodness of its heart. If there are Ukrainians legally working in Russia then the reason will be that they are needid or their skills are required by Russia (it is the same is skilled/legal immigrants to US or Europe).
If there are thousands of illegal immigrants in Russia then again you don't send them back because you are very kind but because you can't do it and/or because they are a source of cheap labour that can be exploited to your benefit (please don't take offence as by you I don't mean you personally but the Russian people as a whole).

You are right there are two sides to each story and no doubt there are bad Ukrainians who steal and lie etc.
In some ways it is like the Blacks in US. Everyone fears them and considers them to be criminals and maybe they commit lots of crimes but that does not change the fact they were once slaves of the whites and were abused.To some extent the relationship between Russia and Ukraine over the centuries was more of a master and slave rather then brothers.
Or take the case of Irish in England.There was a time when the English Pubs had the this written on the door:'No dogs or Irish allowed' so the Irish were believed to be thieves,lier's etc.

[Nataly2202]

To LazyCrazy

I am so offended by your posts, that I don't even know from what to start. I don't think you are making a very good impression of Russian people. If you were the first Russian I met I would not want to meet any more of them. But I am not thinking that all Russian people are so arrogant as you are. And I am not going to send all Russians that live in Ukraine back home to Russia (and there are about 30-40% percent of Russians living in Ukraine). But if Russians  were to decide to do it to all Ukrainians that work in Moscow , I think Ukrainian government should gather all Russians that live in Ukraine and send them to Moscow too.

Oh my God , think what are you talking about , you do not know things and state them ,  if only I could show these people like you that Moscow is full of Ukraine's Moldavians and other former republics , who are occupying the working places of simple Russians am not telling about Muscovites about Russians all over Russia and am sorry this Ukraine wanted to be living separate its self wanted to be pro Western pro American , so why do not you let them live in the USA , take them all under your paternity:) and I will see how you will talk then

So what if Ukrainians come to Moscow to work... I think after everything that Russia done to Ukraine, we have rights to take away some jobs from Russians. I think it is fair to take away your jobs, after Russians take away our food and bread and made all of  us starve to death. And you know what, Ukrainians are actually working for their money in Russia, they are not coming from nowhere and gather all your food and leave you die from starvation. They are not ingraft their culture in Moscow and make all Russians schools to teach children in Ukrainian ( that exactly what Russians were doing to us). And after this you say Ukrainian is a calc of Russian? Sorry, dear lazycrazy, but it is actually Russian that is a calc of Ukrainian. And I don't know why Russians were so ashamed of the routes of their own language that they wanted to delete it from the face of the earth.

, when it was Soviet Union we all were brothers and sisters and yes Ukraine's and Belorussian  and Russian people are brothers but to me Belorussians are much more closer, at least there is much more in common at least for me

Yes, when there was a Soviet Union, Russia put a gun to others countries' heads and said: " Do you all want to be our brothers and sisters?" well there really was no choice, nobody wanted to die. The question is if Russia wanted to be sisters with Ukraine, why they tried to kill Ukrainians with all famines they made. And the last one in 1933 was just one of the most dreadful things in Ukrainian history. I guess you never learned about it in the school, Lazycrazy?

So if Ukraine do not like Russia why then there are so many Ukraine young women without education and a lot Ukraine men also without education in Russia and in particular in Moscow? how mean it is to hate Russian but at the same time come to Russia and to earn money illegally!
and after this you will tell me that we do not like them? god if we did not like them , we would send them all back to the Ukraine:)

Well I don't know what to say about education. You think Russians are so educated? Just looking at your English spelling and grammar you in particular don't seem to be so educated to me. There are a lot of great Ukrainian scientists and poets and I think the same persentage of Ukrainian and Russian people get higher education. so you cant say that we are less educated.

If you once again I remind you , if you take a look at the political situation of Ukraine and how actually poor it is and how it is acting towards Russians , if you scrutinize the situation , Ukraine itself do not like Russia , Ukraine wants to be with USA , Ukraine thinks this way they will get freedom, but that is another question.........

Yes, maybe Ukraine doesn't like Russia, but how can you actually like somebody, after he tried to kill you in the most terrible way. I am happy we are independent country, of course we will always be neighbours, and have to deal with each other, but I think after all the bad things Russia did to Ukraine, they should at least teach Russian children not to be so full of hate and pride for terrible things Russia had done.

[Jazzyclassy]

    I am so offended by your posts, that I don't even know from what to start. I don't think you are making a very good impression of Russian people.          

Oh you should not be offended , why?

If you are so educated and so positive and so loving towards Russians poor  victim of Russian abuse , which is so so much of a doubt... but am not gonna tell you anything cos that will  never change your mind , think what you think

and for all of you I am JazzyClassy if you please!

Once again that is a story of one side , god and who is talking about hatred ,I have never read such  aggressive post  you wrote

and may I ask you did I tell something bad towards you , personally?

Who gave you right to insult me?

I expressed my opinion which is forum for

so whatever you will post next  please take into the account that you are Ukraine and will always tell bad words towards Russia , so I know that beforehand

Why do not you accept that you hate Russia , accept it , that will  set free your inside anger !

Live in Peace Nataly 2202

I wish you to put yourself on the place of a Russian girl and then maybe you will understand

About grammar and English mistakes , that was really mean of you , I am not English so I do learn English and I do make mistakes it is ok , it is natural , we all learn , at least am not claiming that I know everything, and it should not bother you which education I got

Plus you did not understand about calc, read attentively , I was telling that I will try and translate Russian proverb into English and as I do not know the set phrase and the equivalent in English I will try to translate it word for word so in linguistics it is called calc , translating Russian words  directly without following specific English meaning, so it is always called calc from Russian language.  you got it wrong I never told that Ukaines are calc from Russian it is even funny to me:))

best wishes

[Jazzyclassy]

Oh yes dear Nataly just looked  at ,where are you living now ,  California USA if I am not mistaken

now everything becomes clear

sure if you were living in Ukraine or in Russia you would be more respectful and polite to people whom you do not know

and as now you are living somewhere in a more luxurious conditions , it is very easy to say disgraceful words

if you are so ukraine why then you left your motherland???

[I/O]

I\O mmm Maybe I should throw a handgrenade in the room LEGAL

Why?  Already been done for you.   Gaaaaaaaaawd it stinks when you walk through a park and the cats have been peeing on the trees.   The highest mark I can see so far is about 20cm (8").

I/O

[Jazzyclassy]

   Or take the case of Irish in England.There was a time when the English Pubs had the this written on the door:'No dogs or Irish allowed' so the Irish were believed to be thieves,lier's etc.                  

Yeah Mir I know I also heard about this from some English people, I understand

and I understand those ukraines in some way

but I need to really express it as how I feel not how you are trying to make me feel , ashamed, feel guilty of what Russians done is the past , and so on , that is how kind you are- remembering bad things!

Take a look at this situation,

Russians are too kind they were fools to save all those never thankful nations during the War, so many Russian soldiers died so many families left without fathers , brothers and  husbands and so on Russians swallowed that pain

and what happens now

Russians are being hated by everybody beginning with Nazi Estonians who want to  get rid of Russian soldiers monuments  in Talin, and ending with USA

so how am I supposed to feel  , how?????

when I can  not get visa to visit my boyfriend when I already paid for the tickets but they refused me, when to  Ukraine girl they will give that visa !

I am glad that you are in a better position than Russians , but you never appreciated what Russia did for Baltic countries , again for Ukraine and so on

Everything is connected here , Russians are fools to help everyone cos in return we got evil aggressive people blaming us for all the sins in the world and all the disasters happened to them, oh that is cos of Russians -they say

why  life is unfair, nobody can answer this, but we can all try to forget bad things and be positive to each other , we are all living here in this world, we should be more understanding and not just blaming each other.

[jinx13]

Oh yes dear Nataly just looked  at ,where are you living now ,  California USA if I am not mistaken

 Jazzy, Nataly is my girlfriend, so yes she lives in California, but I wouldn't say it's luxurious conditions. She has struggled like most foreigners do when they realize in America the streets are not paved from gold. She loves her motherland very much, but there just wasn't many opportunities for her there, and no she is not a mail order bride, she came here alone at a 20 years old (she will be 22 next week) she is a very brave girl, but she often cries and says "I want to Ukraine"  Believe me, she loves her country.

 You know she never says anything bad about Russians, she is like me, she just gets upset when certain Russian people have this elitest attitude that you show. She gets defensive, and I can understand why, Ukraine has been the unwanted step child of Russia for a long time, not a good feeling to have if you are Ukrainian. It's terrible that they are made to feel inferior and be ashamed of their language, these rude jokes and proverbs by snobbish Moscovites are getting tiresome. Ukraine is independent, they are more open, and they are proud, get used to it.

 Apologies to Makkin for this threads going way off topic, but he started another anyway. This discussion amongst the women is interesting in my opinion, some stong women here to be sure    Olga has become one of my new favorite posters, a very wise and classy woman you have there Legal!  



 

[Jazzyclassy]

    she is not a mail order bride, she came here alone at a 20 years old (she will be 22 next week) she is a very brave girl, but she often cries and says "I want to Ukraine"  Believe me, she loves her country.

 You know she never says anything bad about Russians, she is like me, she just gets upset when certain Russian people have this elitest attitude that you show. She gets defensive, and I can understand why, Ukraine has been the unwanted step child of Russia for a long time, not a good feeling to have if you are Ukrainian. It's terrible that they are made to feel inferior and be ashamed of their language, these rude jokes and proverbs by snobbish Moscovites are getting tiresome. Ukraine is independent, they are more open, and they are proud, get used to it.
           

How she came to USA of course with your help , so please do not tell me and actually who cares , as long as you are happy it should not bother anybody

It is just you both will never understand me and I am not snobbish for your information

I already listened enough about me being snobbish awful evil and I do not know that I am devil sitting here  and writing all those bad things towards these or that nations

You do  not know

god you just need new person to reveal  all your aggressive feelings and I was that person for all of you
 so think about it

[Jazzyclassy]

   she came here alone at a 20 years old (she will be 22 next week) she is a very brave girl, but she often cries and says "I want to Ukraine"  Believe me, she loves her country.
       

am sorry for this beforehand, but how did she came to USA alone being 20 years old I wonder? that is even funny , you think me completely blunt or whoever

old women with kids can not always go to America and you are talking about young girl without money am sorry , then she is very rich herself:P

that is none of my business but as long as you critized me all over here I am just curious to know:)

[I/O]

Jazz.  Now you are starting to speculate completely.  Maybe you should read some threads in which the person/s in question have posted and see how the immigration process has taken place.

Not all are rich.  Not all do it in a common way.  There is some strange things that occur in the immigration process.  Some just get lucky.

I/O

[Jazzyclassy]

  Now you are starting to speculate completely   

Cos I talk the language  they understand here

ok I am sorry wont ask anything

[Mir]

JC

It is obvious that the history you were taught is quite different to the history we were taught.Now only god know what the truth is (provided there is a god) but what Russia did to all the countries that you say were saved is not much better then Nazis. Just one example: According to historical archives at the end of WW2 the Russian soldiers raped 100,000 women in Eastern Europe,yes the majority were German but many were Ukrainian,Moldavian,Estonian etc.
And I am sure you know that a large number of Ukrainians died in the war as well.
So the pain of the war was shared by all the nations who were affected by it.

BTW where does your boyfriend live (in which country)?

[Jazzyclassy]

       It is obvious that the history you were taught is quite different to the history we were taught.Now only god know what the truth is (provided there is a god) but what Russia did to all the countries that you say were saved is not much better then Nazis. Just one example: According to historical archives at the end of WW2 the Russian soldiers raped 100,000 women in Eastern Europe,yes the majority were German but many were Ukrainian,Moldavian,Estonian etc.
             

Yes I suppose I was taught different history  so, once again whom you are defending?What you know about russians???????   Nothing

  no doubt you had a ukraine girl and she also brainwashed you am sorry , once again think how you think am not supposed to change your mind here, just do not try to make me think like you are thinking , I have selfrespect and I was told a lot of other things about all those Baltic  contries and Ukraine and how can you ever  compare russians to Nazis ?

I know my mistakes and I know that life will change my attitude and I am trying to get rid of prejudice about some statements, but  again I should not make any excuses, that is my point of view , accept it as it is or just ignore it!

Gosh  there is an army of ukraine fans , so why then the name is russianwomen and not ukraine women discussion ah?

I do not give  private information about my boyfriend he is very close to where you live but he thinks completely different about russians

   

[Nando]

Gosh  there is an army of ukraine fans , so why then the name is russianwomen and not ukraine women discussion ah?
  

Maybe because they have Russian wifes/girlfriends and don't have prejudice against Russians

[jb]

Jazzyclassy,

You must remember, Ukraine is the path of least resistance.  Ukraine has made travel into and out of that country very easy.  If Russia did the same, i.e., ease the visa requirements, I think you'd see a larger number of men with Russian g/f's. 

Since you are relatively new to our board I should mention that there exists a widely held prejudice against Moscovichkas here.  Totally unjustified in my humble opinion since most of the men who espouse such nonsense have never dated a girl/woman from Moscow.  However the preception that Moscow women are aloof and unobtainable does color some of what you have encountered here.

Just my 2 rubles worth of experience on the O/T wanderings of this thread.