Age difference again: a cultural variation?

[vwrw]

Russia is bigger country than Ukraine by size. Hence there are more Russian people than Ukrainian in world. That is why there are more Russian scientists, doctors….women who married older men and so on than Ukrainian in the world.

I believe Zhena’s avatar is a photo of a famous Russian ballerina – Волочкова,

[Jazzyclassy]

    JC

Who said that it is OK to discriminate against Russians?

And can you be more specific when you say discriminate? What do you mean?      

 That is the point  that Nobody said  and wont say anything and done anything to prevent this discrimination ,  why you think russian mafia captured everything, read attentively I told russian mafia is nothing in comparison with everything else other nation does whom Mel Gibson likes "very much"

More specific for you  like if anything bad happens in political world , they all say oh its russians blame this all on them,  Russia is trying to establish  very good business relations with Iran and other Arabic countries  and West it singing alltogether why Russia is doing this , Russia wants to attack USA or something in future, like why russia is trying to sort its army reform? must be such a danger this Russia,  we should cut of their people coming as a tourists around the world, and bla bla bla not only in politics take a look at those  not so fresh and not so old movies with Stalone, Van Damme and other crazy  fake  kick boxers, they are always playing hero roles, when all the evil in the movies are represented by some russian Ivan and  so on , I see it as a discrimination as they spread those movies all over the world and unconcsiously  other nations can have such prejudice about russians

For example one of the penpal's of mine told that would not go to russia, afraid to be killed
is not it discrimination ? of course it is , cos some Mass Media shows Russia in a very bad way to the other people ,

another thing is with russian girls they can not travel  around the World normally till they are 25-26 , when americans and european people can travel whenever they want since 16-17 and none will ever tell them anything, oh you got  UK passport -amazing go whenever you want , we let you in- is it discrimination in some way? - the answer Yes it is!

I am not telling any secrets here , you all know these things , just for some reason want somebody else to pronounce them outloud:P  crafty people:P:P:P

    No I do not think this site is Anti-Russian and my views about American foreign Policy are well known here!
     

Dearest Wiz,  read some other post of some people how they defend ukraines and bring down russians and you will find out why I called it  Anti -russian , plus of course there is a part of joke here, come on am not that bad my sense of humour is always here with me!

  Kuna

Me and JC are just having an intellectual discussion   

Dear Kuna:)

Mir is abolutely right , Can not you understand he does not suit my Age difference category!

and more over am not single!

[Mir]

JC

All the discrimination you have mentioned about Russians and travel also apply to Ukrainians,Belorussians,Moldavians and also for Chinese,Indians,Syrians etc etc
So you see it is not a specific discrimenation against Russians Now I am sure you will now quote an individual case,probably personal experience where a Russian girl did not get a visa and a Ukrainian one did but there will many cases other way round.
Just answer one question for me: Western people need a visa to visit Russia,once they get there they need to register with the police.c/w that no visa or registration is needed for Ukraine.Despite that Ukrainian nationals face the same restrictions to visit a European country as Russian nationals.What does that tell you about who faces greater discrimination in this respect? (and some people think that the others all blind!)
And I disagree that Russia is blamed for everything,yes in the days of the cold war the West blamed Soviet Union for most of the world ills but maybe your state controlled media has not told you that those days are gone.
Now the west blames Al-Qaida for all the troubles

[I/O]

Age is a personal choice.

And................subject to variation from time to time depending on which head he is thinking with at the given moment.

Jazz One of the reasons I see that a number of American / Russian relationships work rather well is that both groups of people have some very fundamental common principals.  One of those principals is they are both very proud peoples and in particular they are both very proud of their respective countries. Ain't we all? We simply express it in different ways.  Russians are fiercely proud of the cultural history and even more so, the defence of their homeland during various conflicts over time.  Americans are fiercely proud of the commercial and technological achievements and the precipitant standard of living in the USA.  The subjects of pride are simply the manifestation of that pride. 

Proud peoples will always "Face Off" against each other to some extent, and let's be realistic about this, Russia and USA have been doing this for who knows how long by playing out their default wars in smaller countries, often indirectly.  We can look at the mid east now or Afghanistan 20 years ago or Cuba before that.  One side or the other has propped up certain governments or militaries on order to play off against the other.  The list of examples is too long to note.

The more serious war has long been fought on the economic front.  Russia has lost out badly in that area in the past and although Russia is enjoying some new found wealth at the moment, largely driven by increased oil prices, history is beginning to repeat itself already.  Rarely has any economy thrived in the long term when it has based itself largely on one aspect.  Yes it has happened but it is not so common.  USA has done consistently well for the last 2 or 300 years because it has a vast spread of economic base.  Manufacturing, Agriculture, Technology, Tourism, Commerce  and a host of others.  Russia has and does to an extent tend to focus on one particular internally "Popular" area and consequently suffered or suffers the cycles which invariably come. 

My country is similar to Russia in so far as we are a proportionately vast land area with a tiny population density.  Look at the two countries (Population / Km2) and it is surprisingly similar.  The USA and others are vastly different.  However this doesn't mean that the same economic road to success won't apply, it is simply a more difficult road because of the cost percapita of infrastructure.  Do you remember S.O.T.W from St P on another forum, she remarked that Russia had finally turned to face the west.  I smiled at that remark, because yes it is true, but Russia had kept her arms folded firmly across her chest and had not yet to any great extent, engaged with the west. 

Why?  Economically and politically she was forced to face the west, however it has been domestically popular to appear to keep the west at arms distance.  We now see a situation where some of Russia's closer sisters have turned their political and economic backs to Russia in an attempt to engage with the west.  When there is a split in the family, we always see spits and spats back and forth together with quite a deal of "Cat Calling" which is certainly happening at the moment between Ukraine and Russia.

Cross border travel and visa allocation has been influenced greatly by the reliability of a nations people in complying with regulations are returning to their homeland as and when required.  The Russian record in this area is not bad, but it is not exactly exemplary and thus something that appears to be discrimination probably has much more practical basis.  The situation won't change anytime soon until Russia opens her own travel restrictions and reaps the economic benefit which will flow from that......And sees that flow ultimately to normal people in normal situations. 

Just something to think about.........

I/O

[Zmejka]

I don't think age difference between husband and wife depends on being her whether Russian or Ukranian. It's just here on forum the presence of Russian women could be prevalent because how it was said already Russia just have bigger population in general But i think it should be clear by now and well-known to both sides who take this adventure as international dating and marriage that THERE ARE women who prefer men older - or much older than them - they prefer dating and marrying them in fsu, so why should they change their habbits when doing it internationally? I won't go further why it's so - it's just so. But THERE ARE A LOT MORE women who actually when locally would prefer men close to their age - and SUDDENLY a foreigner appears. You should just take into account her age, the amount of her children, her financial position at last. In most cases the chances of building a new family for the second time to a woman well after 30/40 with children are at their minimum level - so women HAVE to low their expectations (remember i was talking not about those who naturally preffered such age difference). Women are afraid noone better appear on the stage, they want a better life for their children - who can blame them for it? So just men preparing to be in the relationship with a great age difference should know their women really well. But these are all non-written (or already written?) laws. May be with time a woman even first getting into such marriage without big love will grow fond towards her man because he's so tender, responsible and strong - these qualities are greatly appreciated by us you know may be with time the situation will change - nobody knows, so one can still try,  and hope for the best. Because noone gives the garanties for happy marriages, and to the very least those who take great risks can get great profit - or fail painfully. And if they're aware of this themselves - one can respect their choice.

[Zhena]

Zhena

Can I ask what is the age gap between you and your husband?
Which country are you originally from?
Is the photo in the avatar yours?

Please-we have 18 yrs of difference;
I am from Ukraine;
The photo is balerinas Volochkova which looks like me some-only my nose is worse than hers I just cant adjust my pic for the avatar so decided to use this as some similar. Do not mind please

[Jazzyclassy]

      Women are afraid none better appear on the stage, they want a better life for their children - who can blame them for it? So just men preparing to be in the relationship with a great age difference should know their women really well.               

Oh I understand it, absolutely

I know perfectly how it is hard for them to be all alone with kids and plus they are all amazing women we got here, women who worth a million , who are Priceless

and it is so sad that many Russian men can not appreciate that and evaluate them , i think they need to try American and other European women for them to actually realise what are they loosing

I understand women who marry those old farts  but I will pray to god  for me to escape such a fate.

[Jazzyclassy]

     Why?  Economically and politically she was forced to face the west, however it has been domestically popular to appear to keep the west at arms distance.  We now see a situation where some of Russia's closer sisters have turned their political and economic backs to Russia in an attempt to engage with the west.  When there is a split in the family, we always see spits and spats back and forth together with quite a deal of "Cat Calling" which is certainly happening at the moment between Ukraine and Russia               

oh true I know

I/O dear , you need to be a writer:) you got such a perfect style

If I honestly hated some of the nations I probably would never talked about it so openly plus in the forum. I know no hatred I like every nation , just when I feel like am irritated by this or that behaviour of  some nation I just express this in my own way  , nothing evil lies behind my  expression of  being displeased  that's all:)

[Turboguy]

I am sure that all of the old farts here including myself hope that you escape that fate too.  

[Jazzyclassy]

   am sure that all of the old farts here including myself hope that you escape that fate too.                 

how sweet of you )))) thank you so much for your hopes

[Mir]

TG

Was it you were praying for the old farts to escape from THAT fate

[Turboguy]

Give Mir an "A" in the class on Hidden Innuendo 101.    Jazzy I will explain what Mir meant so you don't take it as something bad.  What I mean by my statement is that you would be miserable with an old fart and the old fart would be just as miserable living with you.   So yes, you would be escaping a fate and the old fart would be escaping probably an even worse fate.   Not that you are a bad girl, just that living with someone who does not love you and is not happy with you is hell.

Of course we all do wish you a happy life married to your boy, Jazzy.  As I explained above, better him than us old farts, better for both.    People need to be together because they want to be together not because one wants to escape her life and not because one wants to feel important by having a beautiful woman at his side, a mansion on the hillside and a luxury car in the garage.   Actually that wanting to be together has no age requirements.   It may be two people close in age or two that are not.  If they are happy together, in love, and working to build a happy life that is the important thing.

[Mir]

TG

Thanks,its the first time I got an A in anything 

[IAmZon]

The ugly truth on age.

Most young and beautiful women would certainly choose a young, handsome man.  But in an environment where the young handsome man is very rarely with security and material prospects, the young, beautiful woman deliberates and economizes:

You can almost hear in your mind the inner dialogue:  "He is not THAT old.  He is not that ugly."  You can almost see her shoulders shrug.

Again, if a man is seeking a large age gap, he better have a good form and a better mind - attitude.

[catzenmouse]

I am sure that all of the old farts here including myself hope that you escape that fate too.

I was soooo thinking the same thing there TG! 

Jazzy,

 I do enjoy your posts (though sometimes I have a very hard time gaining the meaning inside the words). TG's explanation was correct as well. It is best for both to be with the one you want to be with. And I also wish you a life filled with joy and love with your second half!

Ken

[Zhena]

The ugly truth on age.

Most young and beautiful women would certainly choose a young, handsome man.  But in an environment where the young handsome man is very rarely with security and material prospects, the young, beautiful woman deliberates and economizes:

You can almost hear in your mind the inner dialogue:  "He is not THAT old.  He is not that ugly."  You can almost see her shoulders shrug.

Again, if a man is seeking a large age gap, he better have a good form and a better mind - attitude.

You want the truth from me? Well,I will tell you that I never ever liked the guys of my age-they are not interesting for me,they seem to be the kids for me. And as for me the most exciting part in the man is his brain,the young immature boys with their primitive interests and thoughts,dont excite me. Even if they have the young bodies. I just become bored.

[Mir]

Zhena

So that means the young lady here who only looks at boys her age is perhaps rather immature?

[Zhena]

Zhena

So that means the young lady here who only looks at boys her age is perhaps rather immature?

I dont like to hang the lables...and dont pursue a goal to offend anyone...but very probably. I dont understand how is that possible to like a 23yo boy-but this is my opinion,she doesnt understand how is that possible to like someone whos older. We are very different with her,thats for certain. I even dont go to reply on her harsh comments about the old farts despite on that sounds rude to me-but I never take the kids seriously.

[I/O]

Just a very quick comment.  Regarding Jazz's "Boy".  I have only spoken to the man once, which is a stat I intend to vary in due course, but I quickley learned that he is no "Boy".  Young yes.  But very much a man with his head screwed right down on his shoulders.  He is certainly one who runs very much against the "Norm" of many younger people.  A first class gentleman with LOTS of patience.  Yes Jazz, he is going to need it.

I/O

[funkola]

the young immature boys with their primitive interests and thoughts,dont excite me.

What a funny line   

[Zhena]

What a funny line   

Whats so funny? ???

[funkola]

I mean funny in a good way. Nice choice of words.   

Whats so funny? ???

[vwrw]

From Zmejka:
You should just take into account her age, the amount of her children, her financial position at last. In most cases the chances of building a new family for the second time to a woman well after 30/40 with children are at their minimum level - so women HAVE to low their expectations

Examples:
KenC’s wife. I believe she is younger than 29 y.o. She has not kids. She is very beautiful. (You can see her photo here on RWD). She came from well off family. The age difference is more than 20 years.

Gator’s ex – girlfriend was 27 y.o. She is fabulous beautiful. She has 2 kids. (BUT if her life was bad she could not refuse to marry Gator). Now a well off European is going to marry her BUT she does everything she can return to Gator. The age difference was 30 years.

Don’s wife is very beautiful. (You can see her photo here on RWD) I suppose she had not kids. The age difference is 25 years.

I am not as beautiful as the women I said above BUT I am happy with my appearance so as I have always had more attention from men than I would like to have. I have no kids. I became a top – manager of a company (then there were 250 people) when I was 24 y.o. and ever since I have a good financial position.

Does someone think the women I enumerated above HAD to low their expectations when they were looking for husband?

From Zmejka:
Women are afraid none better appear,…

Here you are partly right. Each of us thinks none better can appear so as each of us simply found our “old men” are the BEST!
Can you tell us although 4 Examples of women who we all know here on RWD and who have big age difference in connection with they HAD to low their expectations?

[vwrw]

From L/C:
I want to be not mentally attracted to my boy but also physically want him so much, so he is lucky to be my age:P

Men’s physiology is such that men even in young age are not able to make love with woman who they do not find attractive and it is not important how much the unattractive woman wants them. Keep it in mind if the ability to make love with you is the most main thing when you are looking for boy.

[vwrw]

From Mir:
Since the availability or Viagra etc. the question of sex and age is no longer valid 

There are no medicaments which only help a body. All medicaments help the body in one its field and harm in other its field. So as men who are blessed with their life and want their life to last as long as possible. I believe that is why the men seek such women to be their wife with who they do not need to use Viagra to make love.