Using a guide in Ukraine? Be careful!

[Stirlitz]

DonAZ, …
You have no experience with guides yet you still want to recommend them because of things you've read.  Maybe you should leave the advice on this topic to those who have experience. 

Earlier in this thread william3rd was claiming he would not recommend me to anybody. Yet he had never met me, never used my services and it does not look like he had any experience with guides at all, but he was offering his advice to newbies based purely on what he had read here. However, you missed that opportunity to bring this fact into attention and suggest to him what you have suggested to Don. Why is it different? Just because Don does not support your views?

Why it is possible to NOT recommend guides yet impossible to recommend them for people with equally no experience with the guides?

[Stirlitz]

Very good.  So if the one you trusted more and felt had a better grasp for what you wanted was $10 an hour, you would choose that interpreter, correct?   Just as if the one you trusted more and had a better grasp of what you wanted was $20 an hour you would choose them.

But let me ask you this hypothetical question DonZ, if you trusted both interpreters the same, and both gave you the same comfort level as to having a grasp of what you wanted, if the service received and ability expressed were the same, identical, and one was $10 an hour and one was $20 an hour, which would you choose?

May I wonder what this question has to do with the original subject?

Moderators, correct me if I am wrong but I believe that it all started when kuna came back from Ukraine and was unhappy with Pavel. He decided to post his actual experience and complain about what had happened. Not to ask which rate is best for future reference and discuss how much it is OK to pay interpreters, etc.

I took apart his claims and asked him to prove his points which looked more like a baseless accusations and lack of reason. No, he never bothered to address my queries and substantiate his claims, retorting to personal attacks like ‘boofhead’ instead. But does it give others the right to steer it off-topic?

Again, I pose a question for moderators. If I missed something and this thread was named “Would you pay $10 or $20 for an interpreter providing they are equal”, or “What is the going rate for Ukraine guides now”, I will shut up about off-topic.

If this thread is a warning about using a particular guide and specific accusations against him, why don’t we stick to this? Why use hypothetical situations which don’t make any sense at all in this thread? There was no questions in the first postings about $10 or $20, just a version of specific rather than hypothetical events.

Actually, Pavel gave his version of the events above so there is no need to go on here. Unless kuna is going to tell more than “I was given a quote of $80” and convince us all that Pavel is lying when he denies that.

I do not mind occasional off-topic questions but when the thread is 14 pages long, mostly offtopic, and there is a posting half a page long which has nothing do to with the original subject it does not add value to the board and would only make other members of the board give up the thread if they haven’t done so already.

I believe the thread needs another clean-up. I don’t mind if this message is removed too.

[BC]

I don't think anyone, even a mod will want to take time to clean up this 'messy' thread a second time just to have it all repeat again..  once is enough imho..

What more can be said in this topic without being repetitive and totally redundant anyway?

Maybe it's time to move on to other constructive subjects.

[Mod1]

I am (again) closing this topic. Everyone has had their say several times already now. And yes, I am not going to spend any more time cleaning things up here. Obviously nothing new or constructive is being added referencing Pavels input so there is no reason to keep it open any longer.

Thank you,
 Mod1