Different perceptions of RW and UW

[Nat]

Nat, it is ok! Thank you

Well, if you thank me, I guess my post has shown you something about respect you were talking about

[RedSeaMan]

Hi everyone, I'm new here and it's my first post, and I saw a topic that I have some knowledge about, so I thought about adding my two cents, controversial as they may be. I should add first that I'm not the typical american or western european that participates in these boards, I'm a 36 year old egyptian living in a red sea resort town (Hurghada), where the tourists are about 70% russians throughout the year, hence the experience with the RW. But I also have to add that most of the russians that visit here are not the creme of the creme, usually they are from small cities or sometimes even villages, and rarely from Moscow or St. Pete (because Hurghada is very cheap to visit), so my opinion may not apply to ALL of the russians.
So... as far as RW versus UW.  I have to agree with Wiz about a lot of what he said, RW do not know about good manners, they are too unfriendly and definitely lacking a lot in social skills. This in my opinion can be due to the way their culture is, it's a bit harsh and doesn't put a lot of emphasis on refinement. Also their men treat them very poorly, and they see a lot of violence in their homeland, so they tend to be very paranoid. However, if a man is lucky enough to get passed the above mentioned hurdles, and hook up with one (he must have experience with them to be able to do that), the reward can be great indeed. Once the RW likes you AND trusts you enough, you will know about all the joys of being with a real female, one whose main purpose is to please her man. So it's all about getting passed the initial akwardness.
As for UW, I must admit that I prefer them over RW, they have better manners, more friendly and have better social skills, AND they are as good as RW once you hook up with them. So in conclusion, it's all good, depending on your experience and tolerance level

[Mir]

How ancient would that population be ? If we go back far enough (say, 50,000 years ago), traces of African blood were probably still very much in evidence in any human population group, at least according to one of the two major paleoanthropological theories of human evolution

And if we keep going back we will find traces of blood from strange animals as Darwin said to his friend Sir Charles Lyall: ‘ Our ancestor was an animal which breathed water, had a swim bladder, a great swimming tail, an imperfect skull, and undoubtedly was a hermaphrodite’

[Jet]

So in conclusion, it's all good, depending on your experience and tolerance level

I'd agree with this part of the statement 
I've met Ukrainians who are far less cultured than my wife, and Russians who are more sophisticated. I believe it has more to do with individual upbringing and life experience than geography.

[Jazzyclassy]

RedSeaMan


I bet you are some hurt Ukrainian chick, if you say such things

       RW do not know about good manners, they are too unfriendly and definitely lacking a lot in social skills. This in my opinion can be due to the way their culture is, it's a bit harsh and doesn't put a lot of emphasis on refinement. Also their men treat them very poorly, and they see a lot of violence in their homeland, so they tend to be very paranoid. However, if a man is lucky enough to get passed the above mentioned hurdles, and hook up with one (he must have experience with them to be able to do that), the reward can be great indeed. Once the RW likes you AND trusts you enough, you will know about all the joys of being with a real female, one whose main purpose is to please her man. So it's all about getting passed the initial akwardness.
As for UW, I must admit that I prefer them over RW, they have better manners, more friendly and have better social skills, AND they are as good as RW once you hook up with them. So in conclusion, it's all good, depending on your experience and tolerance level
             

I disagree with Wiz completely on this topic either

[Jazzyclassy]

Guys  there is no RW versus UW

Why you actually discuss women like they are some meat in the market like if they have no soul and will do  everything you offer them

let's discuss European men vs US men a?

and let all the women tell everything everything about you and how you can be

I bet you all suddenly get ill or your computers will go crashing.......

[wiz]

I disagree with Wiz completely on this topic either

Jazzy

You are not a man and you have not been out with Russian or Ukrainian women. I have done this many times. You are an idealistic young woman, feeling the necessity to defend her female sisters.

My comments were made several days ago and you have not made any attempt, before to disprove these very personal views. Today first time you say you disagree with my views without any further explanations.

Have you noticed that your older sister's on the board have avoided to comment?

I wonder why..... is it that maybe my observations where close to the truth?

[Jazzyclassy]

Sure Dear Wiz for you these statements are truth for me they are false

I think we should respect each other point of view:)

do not worry men will better listen to you than to me so why bother telling me about my idealistic view,

I am happy that I have them , I better be with them than strive for something doubtful and cheap bad morals

one should strive for the better always!:)

[wiz]

Sure Dear Wiz for you these statements are truth for me they are false

I think we should respect each other point of view:)

do not worry men will better listen to you than to me so why bother telling me about my idealistic view,

I am happy that I have them , I better be with them than strive for something doubtful and cheap bad morals

one should strive for the better always!:)

Hello again

Nice new avatar.......

I never accused you that been idealistic is a bad thing.

I do respect your views of course and I can dissagree with them, as you do with mine and others. Do not take it that personal.

My dear Jazzy all I have to say to you is:

I am getting older always learning everyday something new in my life. I hope you do the same.

[Jazzyclassy]

Oh dear Wiz

of course I never take it personal, well I try too ))))


yeah take a look at his new avatar


I think I look horrible especially the last pic hahaha I am a monster :hairraising:

    I am getting older always learning everyday something new in my life. I hope you do the same.
           

Da Da me too I am learning , and I learnt so many things of course, also one very vital one I knew it since my birth of course:P that if I come to some new community and start telling how deep is my love for Ukrainians I doubt I will be alive in the next few seconds:)  :zappedhim:

Thank you Wiz for your experience about Russians and I really do will bear that in my mind:) oh it is so hard to accept critics

[Nat]

Have you noticed that your older sister's on the board have avoided to comment?

I wonder why..... is it that maybe my observations where close to the truth?

Well, if I can be considered to be “older”, than Jazzy, hehe, then I can tell why I haven’t commented on your post. First – I told my point of view already. I’m sure that there is no significant difference and that the most important thing, which influences women’s behavior – it’s her level of culture and intelligence, not her location. And second, I don’t see any point in arguing with you (thought I don’t agree your opinion about ALL UW, because it conflicts my opinion) or anybody else here, because everybody has their own right to have their own opinion. So as long as you are not trying to say that I’m personally “very secretive, very jealous, better manners but never say please or thank you, same as their Russian sisters, not afraid to use sex as a matter of course to achieve what the want and of course more accessible” just because I’m UW, I won’t argue with you.
But if you want to know my point of view on your post, I think it’s not very polite to tell insulting things about the whole nation (or about 2 nations, to be more precise) without being the representative of this nation or having spent enough time living here. I understand that you’ve had a very negative experience, but they weren't the whole Ukraine or Russia, after all.

[ScottinCrimea]

Wiz, you have to keep in mind that, by your own admission, you don't speak more than 20 words of Russian, so the women you have met by and large speak English.  I think this might bias your sampling a bit and make it difficult to generalize about Russian/Ukrainian women in general

[Nat]

Wiz, you have to keep in mind that, by your own admission, you don't speak more than 20 words of Russian, so the women you have met by and large speak English.  I think this might bias your sampling a bit and make it difficult to generalize about Russian/Ukrainian women in general

You mean, those, who speak English, are...

[LEGAL]

I’m sure that there is no significant difference and that the most important thing, which influences women’s behavior – it’s her level of culture and intelligence, not her location.

I absolutely agree.


Olga.

[wiz]

Well, if I can be considered to be “older”, than Jazzy, hehe, then I can tell why I haven’t commented on your post. First – I told my point of view already. I’m sure that there is no significant difference and that the most important thing, which influences women’s behavior – it’s her level of culture and intelligence, not her location. And second, I don’t see any point in arguing with you (thought I don’t agree your opinion about ALL UW, because it conflicts my opinion) or anybody else here, because everybody has their own right to have their own opinion. So as long as you are not trying to say that I’m personally “very secretive, very jealous, better manners but never say please or thank you, same as their Russian sisters, not afraid to use sex as a matter of course to achieve what the want and of course more accessible” just because I’m UW, I won’t argue with you.
But if you want to know my point of view on your post, I think it’s not very polite to tell insulting things about the whole nation (or about 2 nations, to be more precise) without being the representative of this nation or having spent enough time living here. I understand that you’ve had a very negative experience, but they weren't the whole Ukraine or Russia, after all.

Nat

Of course I can not speak about you personally because we have never met.

I explained that my views were made from the number of women I met and do not apply for both whole nations.

My sample is not large but these were my impressions.

[Gator]

Wiz,

Since this thread continues to go on and on, I wish to discuss the observations that you made many pages ago.   Those alone seem to have prolonged the life of this thread. 

I disagree with almost everything you say.   First, many of the qualities that you describe do not apply to either RW or UW.  Second, if they do apply, there is no difference between UW and RW.

I think you have been meeting the wrong women.  You should be dating cultured and intelligent women because, as Nat stated, such makes a difference.   

Is it possible that you do not believe what you say and made the post just to foment some debate?

[wiz]

Gator

Here is what I said :

Russian women are dull, expressionless faces, secretive, very jealous, ignorant of good manners, stubborn in the their ignorance, lacking social skills......and in general very insecure and not very pretty. Just plain Jane's.

Ukrainian women, are mostly very attractive, show overt sexuality, fashion conscientious, very secretive, very jealous, better manners but never say please or thank you, same as their Russian sisters, not afraid to use sex as a matter of course to achieve what the want and of course more accessible.

The above comments are from my own experience and I can assure you that I met many intelligent well educated women from both countries. The only difference I noticed is the conservative nature of Russian women and I do not speak for Muscovites or St Peterburg but from Provincial towns, where Ukrainian women are more overt in showing their sexuality. Last time I was in Bashkortostant I was telling Sofia that I could not find one woman, which I find very pretty........plain Jane's. In Ufa I saw a few very young nice looking women and that is all. I was not impressed.

Ukraine of course is a different matter and look the comments above of other members and I am not talking only for Kyiv, so I am not on my own with these observations.

We can debate the whole subject if you wish but I do not make any special conditions when I speak to women............ they must be intelligent. How would I know that before I meet them? Just from talking on the phone or writing a few letters? I do not think you can make any correct judgement before you meet them personally!

PS: I have a huge job that I am doing at the moment so if I do not reply during coffee time pls do not think I am avoiding you.


Scottin

Visiting Yalta or Sevastopol it must be very hard for you in the spring and summer........LOL

[El Rock]

As  it is every  where , the warmer it gets , the less they wear 

[Elen]

The only difference I noticed is the conservative nature of Russian women and I do not speak for Muscovites or St Peterburg but from Provincial towns, where Ukrainian women are more overt in showing their sexuality. Last time I was in Bashkortostant I was telling Sofia that I could not find one woman, which I find very pretty........plain Jane's. In Ufa I saw a few very young nice looking women and that is all. I was not impressed.

I presume that you do know that Bashkartostan could not be called like RUSSIAN (русская) republic but only like a republic with other main nation ( whith a big part of population of  one more other different nation like Tatars) which has rather different to Russian nation looks and which follow Islam religion in addition  So making conclusion about RUSSIANS vs Ukrainians in appearances and behaviour basing opinion on that particular republic would be some "not correct" soft to say 

[wiz]

I presume that you do know that Bashkortostant could not be called like RUSSIAN (русская) republic but only like a republic with other main nation ( with a big part of population of  one more other different nation like Tatars) which has rather different to Russian nation looks and which follow Islam religion in addition  So making conclusion about RUSSIANS vs Ukrainians in appearances and behaviour basing opinion on that particular republic would be some "not correct" soft to say 

Helen

I agree with what you say but as I said previously I have met Russian women from other parts of Russia too.

Bashkortostant is, as you describe it, and not representative of other parts of the Russian Federation. Yes the Tatars  and Muslim traditions are very evident down there.

[I/O]

In Ufa I saw a few very young nice looking women and that is all. I was not impressed.

Wiz Check below.  Just an average evening in Ufa (Or to be exact, just outside the city) The arse that you can crack an egg on belongs to a 45 y/o BTW.  The Ufa girls didn't look too shabby to me last time I was there.

Then a couple more going a good bit further east.  I dunno, maybe you need some new spectacles

I/O

[I/O]

Further East

[I/O]

Even Further East.  (Sorry guys I dunno how to get more than 1 photo in the 1 post)

[wiz]

Further East

I/O

I can publish several photos of very nice looking women I saw in Bashkortostant and other places in Russia but in general I was not impressed of the few exceptions.

Go to the photo gallery or search for Jack's photos and spent an afternoon in Chrechaky Avenue and Independent Square in Kiev, or visit Yalta and Sevastopol and then you will realise the difference between Ukrainian women and Russian. Every body who has posted a report of his visit in Kiev has made the same comment that Kiev is swamped of very attractive and sexy women. TOYS R US.

Of course with temperatures -20 C in Russia you are not expect to see much but visiting cafe's and reastaurant and clubs........ I did not see much there either.
That is my view anyway.

[wiz]

Even Further East.  (Sorry guys I dunno how to get more than 1 photo in the 1 post)

Next to the box  you use to browse for your photos there is a link........clik there before uploading and will give you another extra option.

You can upload several photos but try to keep the files small.....50-80 KB

Here is a small selection of Russian and Ukrainian women.......guess who is what?