Why so Many 17 to 23 Year Olds

[WmGO]

To be introduced to someone may have for them the meaning that the girls are unable to arrange their private lives by themselves.

PRIDE, PRIDE, PRIDE!!!

(not you Lily, just your Slavic Sisters 

[syd]

Maybe, just maybe 18-23 year old girls are interested in meeting 18-23 year old guys.

[BC]

Probably the last thing on a 17 to 23 year old girls mind should be marriage to a WM.  If you do run across one, I say 'Run Forrest, Run!'.

[Aya]

haha funny topic. i have no idea how old people on this website are, but from this topic i assume 45+ at least. then this topic makes sense.
What are they doing there? Same thing as men, both sides are victims of advertising. Russian websites are full of "A rich foreigner wants to meet you!" banners. western websites are full of "gorgeous russian babe wants to meet you!" banners lol. as simple as that. Sometimes they find each other
Some young girls genuinly want to find a good man tho, cuz if not now, when? During university years they are relatively free, only study half a day, but when they finish uni, its full time work, whish leaves much less time for dating, and you have to worry about work and building a career.
And no, not all 18-25 year olds are interested in clubbing and such. As for shopping... Most of women like it. Doesnt really depend on age.
If they are on a marriage agency website, it doesnt mean that they look for foreign men ONLY. Same goes for anyone on any website.

[Zmejka]

I can say about myself. I don't remembe since what time i posted my ad on the international sites - may be i was 20 or so. Yes, it was like a play for me, before i was meeting local guys whom i met on the internet and it was interesting to write letters in english
But i was not interested in 10+ men and was lucky to meet my friend who is 2 years older than me. Then i understand i can not play forever, i was 22 and maybe a little bit smarter than before. I know nothing about propaganda and stuff girls are being told in agencies, i think everyone has a head on the shoulders to decide for oneself what is good for him.

[WmGO]

... both sides are victims of advertising....

Pravda!

[Kitty Cat]

Why are so many 17-23 year olds listed on all of the agency web sites?

One would think that at that age (especially 17-21) the last thing they would be thinking about is wanting to move away to another country. They are still not considered "old maids" and still have , or should have, plenty of marriage opportunities locally or at least in country.

I always found this curious. I know what the agencies say, and I even know what THEY say (they basically repeat the agency line), but what do FSUW say about this? 

BTW, women in that age group do not interest me in the least.

To my mind, these girls are just looking for a better life outside their native country. They have heard so many stories about a wonderful life abroad and they want it. They still believe in the Cinderella story.

[BillyB]

To my mind, these girls are just looking for a better life outside their native country. They have heard so many stories about a wonderful life abroad and they want it. They still believe in the Cinderella story.

Welcome Kitty Cat,

If I remember right, don't you live in the USA, Texas maybe? Are you happy here? Could you tell us why you came here and some of your experiences in the USA?

[TigerPaws]

Welcome Kitty Cat,

 While I agree with your comment "They still believe in the Cinderella story." I will say that the Cinderella story can and dose exist at lease in America.

TigerPaws

[Ridersfan]

I know what you mean about maturation period. In the U.S. 25 is typically the earliest age that someone starts acting like a grown responsible mature adult. It might be a little earlier in FSU, but not by much and certainly not at age 17, 18 ,19 (or even 20-22).

I think that it is easy for a Westerner to confuse real true responsible adult maturity with these younger FSU girls with their *demeanor*. They certainly ACT more mature at a much earlier age than American girls, but that does not necessarily translate into  more mature in *behavior*, i.e., most 17 to 23 year FSUW just want to party and hang at and go clubbing and sleep late and go shopping , etc just like American girls in that age group. A generalization yes, but I *think* an accurate one. 

[Ridersfan]

I know what you mean about maturation period. In the U.S. 25 is typically the earliest age that someone starts acting like a grown responsible mature adult. It might be a little earlier in FSU, but not by much and certainly not at age 17, 18 ,19 (or even 20-22).

I think that it is easy for a Westerner to confuse real true responsible adult maturity with these younger FSU girls with their *demeanor*. They certainly ACT more mature at a much earlier age than American girls, but that does not necessarily translate into  more mature in *behavior*, i.e., most 17 to 23 year FSUW just want to party and hang at and go clubbing and sleep late and go shopping , etc just like American girls in that age group. A generalization yes, but I *think* an accurate one. 


So how do they ACT more mature at a much earlier age if it doesn't translate into more mature behavior?

[Rvrwind]

Some of them have no choice but to mature at an early age.
They find that at an early age usually upon graduating from university that they are the major breadwinner in the family & it falls to them to keep the family. Remember many children here, even after marriage & chidren still live with their families, crowded into an apartment. Very little privacy & very little time alone.
It behooves them to mature quickly so they can change that situation.
Mostly it is due to the lack of housing available & the exhorbatant prices that new housing commands. Its not uncommon to see Grandma, Grandpaw, Mom, Dad & 1 - 2 children cramped into a two bedroom apartment.
I don't know about you but I think I'd be gettin' my head together real quick just to get the hell out of that!!

[BC]

They still believe in the Cinderella story.

.. or the more modern version - 'Pretty Woman'.

[Lily]

Curiously, it looks to me that now people discuss a group of girls who manifest their early maturity by marketing themselves as eventual wives, and at the same time people say that they demonstrate a sort of Cinderella behaviour 

Wouldn't it be two opposite things, maturity and naivety?

By marketing themselves, which of the two do they demonstrate, in your opinion?

[Kitty Cat]

Welcome Kitty Cat,

If I remember right, don't you live in the USA, Texas maybe? Are you happy here? Could you tell us why you came here and some of your experiences in the USA?

Thank you Billy. Yes, I live in Texas. I am very happy here. I have been to America twice before (I went to high school for a year in OHIO and during my second visit to USA I worked for 6 month through the work and travel program). I liked this country and it's people.

1) I understood that if you work hard here you will have the money. (In Russia I worked as a teacher and my salary was low).
2) Also I understood that most (not all) Russian men don't treat the woman with a lot of respect. And I think that every woman deserves to be treated with respected.
3) I saw how differently American men treat their women (compared to Russian men), that is why I started looking for an American to become my husband.

I have a wonderful husband, a great stepdaughter a beautiful cat and a super job. 

[Kitty Cat]

Welcome Kitty Cat,

 While I agree with your comment "They still believe in the Cinderella story." I will say that the Cinderella story can and dose exist at lease in America.

TigerPaws

Thank you TigerPaws,

I believe in fairytales. But I think that the modern "Cinderella" has to work very hard on finding her "prince", because some men just pretent to be "princes" but they are "frogs". 

[hacksaw]

I confess, I enjoy looking at the "Youngsters" who post on the the dating sites but I know that I would not have much in common with the majority of them.  I will continue searching in the 30+ range, much more comfortable for and "old man" like myself..

[Misha]

More to the point, why do so many of them state in their profiles Occupation: manager ? What are they managing, at that tender age ?

Manager means something else in Russia: a higher-level office worker. In the English-language, a manager usually manages a larger number of individuals, in Russia this is not the case. Our manager would be a "director" in Russia. Where my wife worked, a manager would be a glorified clerk: she would meet clients and ensure that they got the product they ordered.

[Dar]

I've read through all of the posts in this topic, found some interesting.
First of all, I think that 17-23 y. o. ladies are looking for fun, yes, they are not really kin in getting married. They want to have a foreigne boyfriend who will visit them, treat them nicly and invite at the caffes, clubs etc. Some of them might have intention for marriage but in future, not at the moment. May be you, guys, noticed that a lot of girls in their profiles indicate traveling as an interests. But if you ask her, where actualy have she been, will discover that many of them even haven't put their step out of the country. Another reason to look for foreign "husband" in so young age. As here was said before, they believe in "Cinderella" dream but they are hardly think about the things like responsibility or seriousness of situation.
Next, why most of the girls are working as a manager having high university education and being so young? Coz this ocupatin doesnt require much skills or knowlege, low paid as well. Probably these girls just are not able to find a better job to support themselves. They are looking for more pleasant way to achieve higher level of living they suppose that it is quite easy when you are young and atractive. Russian guys are spoiled. They have a lot beautiful ladies around, so for a girl it is getting more and more difficalt to "win the race" and to be ahead of the others. So they are just register at the agency websites!
I saw a post here above. There were said, the girls in a yery young age who have  a child, are growing him without father and the reason of that is because they want to be a mother so much! Pardon, but this is .... bull ...t!  The reason of that is irresponsibility of these women at the moment when they were having sex. Protection here is not much popular (besides of a condom), most women are "hope" that a man will take care about everything when it comes to bed. And men are not "in rush" to many so often a woman just stay with her "problem" one-to-one. Actualy, 70% of marriage in Russia or Ukraine is resolt of the pregnancy of a woman! Of course, couples are trying do not parade this fact.

[Simoni]

Very astute post, Dar!

[Kuna]

I've read through all of the posts in this topic, found some interesting.
First of all, I think that 17-23 y. o. ladies are looking for fun, yes, they are not really kin in getting married. They want to have a foreigne boyfriend who will visit them, treat them nicly and invite at the caffes, clubs etc. Some of them might have intention for marriage but in future, not at the moment. May be you, guys, noticed that a lot of girls in their profiles indicate traveling as an interests. But if you ask her, where actualy have she been, will discover that many of them even haven't put their step out of the country. Another reason to look for foreign "husband" in so young age. As here was said before, they believe in "Cinderella" dream but they are hardly think about the things like responsibility or seriousness of situation.

Dar,

I wish every 40 year old man that cmes here smitten with a 20 yr old Russian Girl could read your post.  It's a powerful piece of advice on what they should expect.

Kuna

[Turboguy]

Dar,

I wish every 40 year old man that cmes here smitten with a 20 yr old Russian Girl could read your post.  It's a powerful piece of advice on what they should expect.

Kuna

You may agree with it Kuna, but I don't.   Let me ask if you have ever read any statements like these on RWD?

Have you ever heard anyone say that we should avoid women under 25 because they are not ready to settle down and all the other things Dar said?   Many times, right?   This is one of the RWD truths that has to be right, is it not?

Now let me ask you this.   Have you not also read on RWD that women in Russia tend to marry young and that if a woman hits 25 and is unmarried she is almost considered an old maid?  You have probably read that just about as many times. 

Those two statements directly contradict each other.   Which is right? You tell me.  It is totally impossible for both to be right.

My own two cents worth are that there is truth in both.   I think there are immature women in that age range looking for fun and excitement and mature young ladies looking for a husband and family.  Yes, someone who marries a 20 year old is going to be dealing with issues that those who marry someone older will not.  I think that some of the flaws I see in our discussions here are that we tend to look at RW like they were made with a cookie cutter.   They are people and are different.   

Now let me take that a bit further.  If most of the women consider themselves a failure if they are not married by 25 and most of the men are looking at 25+ women are not those guys in the age range of 25 to 45 missing the mark in some ways?  If you decide to go fishing Kuna, are you not better off going where the most fish are? 

[Rvrwind]

If you decide to go fishing Kuna, are you not better off going where the most fish are? 

Yeah, but when I do I want fish, not minnows!!

[Dar]

Thanks, Kuna!

I think... I missed something important in my previous post.
I'm 24 now. I was 22 when my husband wrote to me a first letter.
Yes, I was going to marry when I joined the agency but there wasnt that thought in my head about becomming an old bride! You can read my story at the Lady's thread under topic "Ladies, why did you decide to search for a mate abroad?"
Time is changing and today fewer ladies tend to marry at the young age, may be 10 years ago they did.
Here the words of my husband; "I was not going to write to the girls under 25 but your profile was so different from others so I couldnd resist that". And he has his international dating experiance since 2001. In the past he never wrote to anyone at this young age.
He thinks, I am very muture for my age and very inteligent.
Yes, there are thes kind of girls but.... may be 1%. And.... Believe me, they do not stay long at the agencies.

[Kuna]

You may agree with it Kuna, but I don't.   Let me ask if you have ever read any statements like these on RWD?

Have you ever heard anyone say that we should avoid women under 25 because they are not ready to settle down and all the other things Dar said?   Many times, right?   This is one of the RWD truths that has to be right, is it not?

Now let me ask you this.   Have you not also read on RWD that women in Russia tend to marry young and that if a woman hits 25 and is unmarried she is almost considered an old maid?  You have probably read that just about as many times. 

Those two statements directly contradict each other.   Which is right? You tell me.  It is totally impossible for both to be right.

My own two cents worth are that there is truth in both.   I think there are immature women in that age range looking for fun and excitement and mature young ladies looking for a husband and family.  Yes, someone who marries a 20 year old is going to be dealing with issues that those who marry someone older will not.  I think that some of the flaws I see in our discussions here are that we tend to look at RW like they were made with a cookie cutter.   They are people and are different.   

Now let me take that a bit further.  If most of the women consider themselves a failure if they are not married by 25 and most of the men are looking at 25+ women are not those guys in the age range of 25 to 45 missing the mark in some ways?  If you decide to go fishing Kuna, are you not better off going where the most fish are? 

Turbo,

We agree on almost nothing.

I hope newbies recognise your 10 year search didn't happen by chance.  You're failure to find someone to marry you wasn't a case of bad luck.  You purposely and deliberately took a high risk approach and while that's your right it's outrageous that you would offer high risk advice to others who just don't know better (yet).

You refute the honest opinions of a RW on the topic of RW.  That's just plain foolish. What are you trying to prove???  That you know more about RW than a RW???

To be clear...  It's possible but unlikely (based on the evidence within this forum) for a man to meet and marry a girl aged 17 - 23 yrs old because most girls now days of that age group are not yet focused on marriage. Sure they want excitement and fun and new experiences but very few are obviously ready or willing to marry.

It might have been different in the past... I don't know.  I am under the impression though that RWD exists to give advice and assistance to men that reduces their risk and increases their chances of success.  You seem more content with fantasy...  that's your right... but for the sake of others please resist spreading your high risk message without telling them that's what you spread.

Kuna