What age would be preferrable to RW?

[Mocking Bird]

Jazz: Then you are dead wrong.  The membership of this board, including some of the ol' hardarses proved otherwise a few months ago when someone was in trouble. Someone needed real help and the members "Pitched in" gladly. You would receive the same benefit if you were ever in the same situation, I have no doubt. I think you are way underestimating someone on the basis of not liking their style.  Remember, Ken married someone younger than you, so if you think he is anti youth, think again.

Mocking Bird: I am in a similar situation so I will also answer you.  Because, in the end I chose to.
 Personally I can't imagine how it would be possible to be happier than I am right now.
 I wont marry her for her body, I will marry her for what's between her ears and I might add that IME that is way in front of some very much her senior.

An old Gynecologist summed it up quite well many years ago in the face of some stupid woman being rather crude to him. (My mother relates the story) "The bodies are all much the same after a while, it is the faces that are different".

I/O

 

But you could find  remarkably  more between ears of  older woman. More life experience, knowledge, understanding, patience and most of all relationship with her would have a future.
And once you get older and older are you sure young wife of yours will be there for you and do not disappear  in time when you need her most? It is not question of if really, but when.
Than I hear men complaining about RW are divorcing them I always wonder that they been thinking starting relationship which does not have a future. Does really young body means so much for man that he is  ready to forget common sense ?
 

[I/O]

But you could find  remarkably  more between ears of  older woman.

A very flawed assumtion.  Most of all an assumtion.  Life experience yes maybe, but that is not always condusive to making a healthier character.  In fact many times it can do just the opposite.

Does really young body means so much for man that he is  ready to forget common sense ?

Answered before, I wont marry her for her body, I'll marry her for whats between her ears. Common sense or social "Norms"? I think you are confusing the two.

And once you get older and older are you sure young wife of yours will be there for you and do not disappear

Nothing is certain in life other than death and taxes.  One who was much more age appropriate (In the eyes of most) disappeard so how will I be worse off?

I always wonder that they been thinking starting relationship which does not have a future.

Based on what? Your faulty assumtion that there is NO future.  Search around the forums, there is plenty of evidence otherwise.

It is not question of if really, but when.

Try telling that to my fiance' or KenC's wife or others.  Mere speculation based on popular theory.  Show me all these exact cases where it is age difference that caused her to "Run Off". Show me the evidence?

Nobody here is saying an age gap relationship is the way to go.  None of us in same recommend it to others as being easy, but no relationship is easy. If I wanted easy, I would remain single. 

There is advantages and disadvantages.  On balance, it came out for me that this was the woman I was in love with and she with me.  I have been blessed to have experienced that twice in my life. Many don't truely experience that once in their life.

From what I have observed and experienced over time, the people most critical of age gap relationships are the people who have never been involved in one and thus are basically speculating or put plainly, "Puffing hot air". 

Mocking Bird, the challenge I would like to lay down for you (And others) is post a list of all these age gap relationships which have failed.  Show me the evidence..........if you have any. The only comment so far that you have made containing any validity is potential sexual compatability later in life. Modern medication is a wonderful thing and if I need to employ same, that is exactly what I will do. This ol' cannon might well be firing just fine when the target has well and truely wilted.

I/O

[vwrw]

Let’s agree we all (men and women)  like to have sex with fresh and young partner.  If girls her age get marry younger man, why should she stay with old one?

 I cannot agree that young and fresh partner is more disireable than LOVED for most women. Sex with LOVED man will always be much more enjoyable.
Why should she stay with old man? Because of LOVE. Do you know what love is? When you are looking for life's partner you need to be governed by love, not by lust.

[vwrw]

And once you get older and older are you sure young wife of yours will be there for you and do not disappear  in time when you need her most?
The same is true about old women. Are you sure old woman will not die or leave man in time when he needs her most?  

Does really young body means so much for man that he is  ready to forget common sense ?
Common sense could easily answer most of the questions you ask here! For instance, that people should marry for love not lust.   Does a young body mean so much to you that when you begin to speak about fresh and young man's bodies you forgot common sense?  

[Turboguy]

But you could find  remarkably  more between ears of  older woman. More life experience, knowledge, understanding, patience and most of all relationship with her would have a future.
And once you get older and older are you sure young wife of yours will be there for you and do not disappear  in time when you need her most? It is not question of if really, but when.
Than I hear men complaining about RW are divorcing them I always wonder that they been thinking starting relationship which does not have a future. Does really young body means so much for man that he is  ready to forget common sense ?

You may have more experience and knowledge between the ears of an older woman but also more baggage, issues and history to deal with (not that those can't be true at any age).   You have a woman who is more set in her ways and will have more difficulties adapting to life abroad.   Who has had more time and build more ties and has reached a less adventurous stage of her life.    I am not advocating anything other than pointing out that the coin has two sides.

Men complaining about RW divorcing them.   So since most marriages in both Russia and the USA have little age difference and most of the young people are having sex with their mate who has a young hot body then that is why divorce is unheard of in both places.   The young hot bodies keep the interest and the marriage happy.   

If your partner looks like Miss Universe or Mr America after a decade or so of the same body love will count much more than passion.   If a hot body was all that mattered men would not get married.  Hookers a maid and a cook could solve all the problems and you could have a different hot body anytime you want.   Sex that way is nothing and love and the special bond that is between two people in love is what makes sex special and wonderful. 

Sure, she may disappear when I need her most.   Yes, when I am being pushed around in a wheel chair with the need to have my diapers changed and the slobber wiped from my chin she may go.   If we had a lot of good years in between and a lot of happiness perhaps that is the time I would want her to go.  There are lots of assisted living places that can give me everything I need at that stage anyway.   

Does not have a future?   Well sure it won't be a marriage that celebrates a 50 or 75 year anniversary but aren't 10, 15, 20, or 25 good years better than a lot of marriages get.   Many marriages either with RW or AW don't last more than a year or two.   Quality can be better than quantity.   

There are no absolutes where love is concerned.   One persons dream girl is another's nightmare.   One persons ideas of happiness is another's idea of misery.   My idea of right is important only to me and the woman I love and yours are just an opinion not a "rule of life"

[TigerPaws]

First of all, sorry for language mistakes I could make. I do not write in English that often.
Second, my idea is that if two people have similar life style, similar values and interests, it would be easier to build up successful relationship. Our life style,  values and interests depends on our age in the very big measure.
Dear Tigerpaws,  Russian Girls  marry older men. Reason why they do it because of poverty of the people, because only limited amount of man could make money enough to feed the families. Girls have to fight between each other to marry  one of them. And of course younger girls have more chances. Such as life in Russia. As long as man have money he could get girl any age he wants. Mocking Bird , I have spent a great deal of time in Russia over the past 8 years and you are right this is something I have seen many times, many men with good jobs have one or more mistresses
But you are not going to live in Russia. You going to bring girl to your country. And realities in your country could be very different. What could make your young wife to stay with you after she get permanent visa or green card? Maybe because my wife of 7 years now is not a lowlife Green Card Girl and we fit into each others wants, needs and desires.Because she is mature in mind?  Maturity in mind means that person sees opportunity and use them to improve her life. Maturity in mind does not mean she likes to have man with old and wrinkled body in the bed with her. How would you know anything about mine or anyone eles's wife, have you ever met them, do you know them or do you claim to have some psychic power to know all and see all? Let’s agree we all (men and women)  like to have sex with fresh and young partner.  If girls her age get marry younger man, why should she stay with old one? Maybe because she is happy? Or is that something you have a difficult time understanding.
Yep, RW marry old man, stay in country, divorce old man and marry later more suitable partner. It  happens all the time. Are you willing to take your chances? Life is full of chances but what I am hearing from you Mocking Bird is someone who sounds very much like a Green Card Girl, a girl who has no moral center and no love in her heart. Maybe the reason you chose the name "Mocking Bird" is because you came to this forum to taunt others?

TigerPaws

[KenC]

Why did you get youself in to this situation? May be you could be happier with woman closer to your age without need to face many  issues? Does young  woman body worth such trubles?

Mocking Bird,
First off I didn't "get into a situation", I fell in love with my wife and she fell in love with me.  We both accepted the challenges of an age gap marriage.  I cannot imagine being happier than I have been for the last 8 years with any other woman regardless of age or beauty.  Even though she did and still does have a great body, it was her heart and soul that were my motivating factors.

I was married to my first wife for over 20 years after dating her for 5 years.  Over the time period of 25+ years, her great body only improved with age.  Unfortunately, her heart and soul did not maintain the same desirable qualities over that same time period.  The value of a good body certainly does not make up for the lack of good heart and soul.  My ex had that great body when I divorced her.  I know from my experience that there are things much more important than a hot bod.
KenC

[Hub]

  Average, you say? Please bring in the statistics! :-)  I believe the age range a woman considers suitable is a matter of her perception, not the "objective reality" or "average situation".  And perceptions are fueled largely by other people's (often condescending) opinions, including those expressed on this excellent board.  I believe we are all led by our self-esteem.  If Lily or anyone chooses to be pickier and shoot higher than their perceived "average", I would never consider it a "loss of time through wasteful procedures."  Above-than-average results always require a little extra effort.

Hi Blues Lady.  As these threads and the back and forth continue, sometimes it is hard to remember what the original comments were about.  :-))

But on the idea of average, I think we were discussing whether 'on average' western men are able to trade-up compared to the ability of the RW to trade-up.  We will have to find some factors that are measurable or seeable to try to determine if I am correct.  The two measures that are usable for our purposes are age and looks.  There are many other measures such as intelligence, education, etc., but we do not have access to those measures.

We could even disagree whether it is a trade-up or a trade-down to be able to attract a younger mate!!

So concerning to trade-up to obtain a younger woman or a younger man, we can look at various surveys that have been done on this board and other such boards.  I do not have the URLs to give you, but if you do your work you can find such surveys.  The result is that most of the surveys show that WM match up in marriage with younger, much younger, and much much younger RW.  That is where I get my idea that 'on average' the RW will face long odds when she tries to find a WM close to her age.  No, I do not say impossible.  You and others have done it.

Concerning the other observable trait, looks, you can view pictures of married, engaged and dating people on this site and other such sites.  Again, on average, you can note that the women are considerably more 'good looking' than are the men.  So that is where I get my idea that, 'on average' the RW will face long odds when she tries to find a WM with looks close to her own.  No, I do not say it is impossible.

As to what is a waste of time to one person versus another.  Well it depends on how much time one has available.

Sure, I know the value of striving for above average results.  But I also see the situations where a woman can end up being a lonely babushka because she followed her friends' advice to not settle for anything but the man of her dreams.

Again, I repeat, I am very happy for you.  :-))

[Hub]

Oh no, men telling how they want it, women telling how it should be to avoid  break ups, divorces, lost of properties and many over problems.

No, men are telling it how it is.  These are not just idle wants.  They have been achieved.  Read my post to Blues Lady for my analysis.

So yes, I understand that you and other ladies want to change it to how is should be.  I understand that perfectly and you may have some valid points.

But, as I said before, the best discussions come where women do not change the focus of the discussion.  When the discussion is focused on 'how it is' then the respondents should make comments to that theme.

Then a new thread should be started to focus on the 'how it should be.'

No rational discussions occur where participants reply with comments which have little or nothing to do with the comments posted previously.

However, that being said, one useful thing that I am learning from these threads is how difficult it is for men and women to communicate.  We seem to think entirely differently and have different abilities to remain on target or not.  The man starts out talking about what kind of beef to buy for dinner and the next thing he knows he is hearing a lot about the pros and cons of the various types of bread at the market!!  The man can present statistics and logical arguments and the women answer with they have the right to their own opinions.  :-))

[KenC]

Ken C !

recently you do not advise , you only criticise and defend your marriage by the cost of insulting the other people's point of view, that is how  I see your postings here!

Jazzy,
And how am I suppose to take your constant badgering of me?  You seem intent on provoking me into a fight.  When you say negative things we are all suppose to forgive your personality of an emotional woman, but when I respond with emotion, it is "bullying" in your mind.  I have given you credit when it was due and also criticized when that too was due. 

You want people to respect your opinion and viewpoints?  Start by stopping this silly and immature provocation.
KenC

[Jazzyclassy]

Ken C!

Ok ok sorry , do not you worry that much:)

[Mocking Bird]

I cannot agree that young and fresh partner is more disireable than LOVED for most women. Sex with LOVED man will always be much more enjoyable.
Why should she stay with old man? Because of LOVE. Do you know what love is? When you are looking for life's partner you need to be governed by love, not by lust.

Call me old fashionable but I still can not imagine loving man without having sex with man and more often than once a month. And I still think that than people in love they are absolutely sure they will live together until their last days and never sleep with someone else. We all know it is not possible but  see people in love are crazy. Are you planning to stay with your husband until his last days ? Are you permanently  love him or just  temporarily  ? 

[Mocking Bird]

TigerPaws

I really do not know that exactly age difference you have with your wife but let’s talk about difference of 20 years which I find is standard  for the Russian Girls marriages. I try to analyse  of girls conversations I’ve got from Russian wife forums.
She is 20 he is 40 – she is very happy he is very happy.
She is 30 he is 50 – he is her sole mate. Everybody still happy. But girls do not admire  sex anymore.
She is 40 he is 60 -  mmm……. No one talking about husbands any longer. I could not find out that is going on in relationship between people of this particular age. Are they together or are they all divorce?
She is 50 he is 70  I have found only one woman in this situation and she has been in hysteric. She has so much energy and interests and he wanted only to watch television and no sex.
My point is if first years of your marriage have been nice than I am glad for you.  It is also nice that your wife was not only after Green Card. But your problems are still to come. You can not stop getting old.  Your yourself will change: you personality, energy level,  your habits, interests, sense of humour, sex drive, smell.   She loved you as strong man but will that still young woman love old and helpless, may be grumpy may be moody man?  Do you understand that you are risking to spend last years of your life along?
Man can have wonderful relationship with woman of his age and avoid all those  problems. You get so better chances that woman of same age would understand your needs better and stay with you all your life.
I really do not care about impression I am making on you. I am here to improve my written English and as long as I write I am happy. 
And more when man is afraid to be mocked he is hopelessly   old.

[I/O]

let’s talk about difference of 20 years which I find is standard  for the Russian Girls marriages.

Standard?  Hmm all those guys here in a "standard Russian girl" marriage please raise their right hand now.

Man can have wonderful relationship with woman of his age and avoid all those  problems. You get so better chances that woman of same age would understand your needs better and stay with you all your life.

So why is that so many couples who are of similar age divorce? Do you think the divorce rate is higher in age gap marriages? If so where are the numbers to support this?

I/O

[Mocking Bird]

A very flawed assumtion.  Most of all an assumtion.  Life experience yes maybe, but that is not always condusive to making a healthier character.  In fact many times it can do just the opposite.
Answered before, I wont marry her for her body, I'll marry her for whats between her ears. Common sense or social "Norms"? I think you are confusing the two.
Nothing is certain in life other than death and taxes.  One who was much more age appropriate (In the eyes of most) disappeard so how will I be worse off?
Based on what? Your faulty assumtion that there is NO future.  Search around the forums, there is plenty of evidence otherwise.
Try telling that to my fiance' or KenC's wife or others.  Mere speculation based on popular theory.  Show me all these exact cases where it is age difference that caused her to "Run Off". Show me the evidence?

Nobody here is saying an age gap relationship is the way to go.  None of us in same recommend it to others as being easy, but no relationship is easy. If I wanted easy, I would remain single. 

There is advantages and disadvantages.  On balance, it came out for me that this was the woman I was in love with and she with me.  I have been blessed to have experienced that twice in my life. Many don't truely experience that once in their life.

From what I have observed and experienced over time, the people most critical of age gap relationships are the people who have never been involved in one and thus are basically speculating or put plainly, "Puffing hot air". 

Mocking Bird, the challenge I would like to lay down for you (And others) is post a list of all these age gap relationships which have failed.  Show me the evidence..........if you have any. The only comment so far that you have made containing any validity is potential sexual compatability later in life. Modern medication is a wonderful thing and if I need to employ same, that is exactly what I will do. This ol' cannon might well be firing just fine when the target has well and truely wilted.

I/O

1.Do you remember yourself  25 years old.  Do you become bad person. Is your past  made your character unhealthy? Some people get worse with age and some get more wise and wonderful.
In Russia at age 40-ty  ratio of men to women as 1 to 10. I am sure You could find great  wife between women of your age group.
2.Very often social norms based on common sense. It works like that:  many  people made mistakes in the past and practices helping to avoid mistakes become social norms.
3.Oh it can get much worse if  she disappear when you sick and old and need help.
4.OK I did search around the forums,  Russian wives forums where girls speak their mind.
About 50% against this relationship and about another 50% I have talked in previous post.
I know girls who left husbands because of old age but they do not want speak about their problems here. So I decide to search internet to find statistics.  Funny is only statistics I found on English speaking websites is 20% divorce rate between Russian-American marriages. But it is dating agencies statistics and they have conflict of interests. So I went to the Russian internet.
Russian statistics says that now average age of  Russian MOB  is 19.5 yo,  the average age of  their new husbands is over 40-ty yo. (20 years age gap)  Divorce rate after girls get Green Card is 80%. And of other 20%  half will divorce in a later years ( normal american rate of divorce). Large  difference in age does not work for everybody.
Again if you are interested about relationship failed because of  age gap please go on russian wives forums where girls talk between each other but I am not going to tell names.

[I/O]

3.Oh it can get much worse if  she disappear when you sick and old and need help.

I am sick, old and need help, so nothing much will change over the next few decades.

Russian statistics says that now average age of  Russian MOB  is 19.5 yo,

Really now? Could you be so kind as to post a link to where those "Statistics" may be found?

And of other 20%  half will divorce in a later years ( normal american rate of divorce).

Lower than the reported Russian divorce rate of in the order of 70%. 

If the "Stats" as you quote them are to be added together, that means that 90% of Russian / American marriages will end in divorce.  Wouldn't you think it is coincidental that the Russian government has come out quite strongly against foreign marriages because of Russia's population status and these Russian Internet statistics are angling at discouraging women from foreign marriages? A no brainer really I suggest.

Russian wives forums?  Wouldn't have anything to do with the I-couldn't-get-a-date-on-a-troop-ship crowd by any chance? Sounds like a disgruntled hens meeting group to me.

Russian statistics says that now average age of  Russian MOB  is 19.5 yo,

Oh come now....Mine will be 25+ when we marry, so if she is say 1 in 4, that means that 3 others getting married at the same time need to be 17 1/2 or younger to make the average you claim work out.  Something terribly wrong with the mathmatics there somewhere.  In many western countries it is illegal to marry under the age of 18 without express parental permission.  Do you honestly think the embassies are going to grant the visas? 

Mocking Bird, if you want some credability in your arguement, present some credible figures. The trick is to study the numbers and draw a conlusion, NOT jump to a conclusion and then chase around for faulty numbers in order to try to prop that conclusion up.

I/O

[jb]

Russian wives forums?  Wouldn't have anything to do with the I-couldn't-get-a-date-on-a-troop-ship crowd by any chance?

 

Of course, they call us the I-couldn't-get-a-date-in-a-cat-house-with-a-suitcase-full-of-$50's crowd.

[TigerPaws]

I really do not know that exactly age difference you have with your wife but let’s talk about difference of 20 years which I find is standard  for the Russian Girls marriages. I try to analyse  of girls conversations I’ve got from Russian wife forums.
She is 20 he is 40 – she is very happy he is very happy.
She is 30 he is 50 – he is her sole mate. Everybody still happy. But girls do not admire  sex anymore. What? Your lack of experience in life is showing, a woman in her 30's is just starting to come into the prime of her sexual life, during a womans 30's and early 40's is when the vast majority of women are the most sexually active. As for men in their 50's you are sadly mistaken, in broad general terms men in their 50's are just as active as the women in their 30's the difference being the men in their 50's (again generally) have the wisdom, experience, patience and understanding to give a woman far more pleasure than a man of 30.
She is 40 he is 60 -  mmm……. No one talking about husbands any longer. I could not find out that is going on in relationship between people of this particular age. Are they together or are they all divorce? In Russia maybe, that is because most men die or are burnt out before they reach their mid 50's, this is not so in America (generally), a recent national magazine said that 50 was the new 30 because men were taking care of themselves so much better,so you have no idea what you are talking about.
She is 50 he is 70  I have found only one woman in this situation and she has been in hysteric. She has so much energy and interests and he wanted only to watch television and no sex. Personally if I live to 70 I will be happy because no direct blood male in my family has ever lived beyond the age of 70 and while I have seen to it that after I am dead and gone my wife will be well taken care of I will be dead and gone so it does not matter to me after that.
My point is if first years of your marriage have been nice than I am glad for you.  It is also nice that your wife was not only after Green Card. But your problems are still to come. How would YOU know what problems are to come? Are you calming to have some knowledge of the future? Your statement seems to come from your own personal insecurities and fears.You can not stop getting old. Ok! And so what? Your yourself will change: you personality, energy level,  your habits, interests, sense of humour, sex drive, smell. Everyone changes even you, so what is the big deal, are you saying that if you change your future husband should dump you in the street an find someone else?  She loved you as strong man but will that still young woman love old and helpless, may be grumpy may be moody man? Grumpy, moody? Hum sounds like most women with PMS, maybe that is your problem?  Do you understand that you are risking to spend last years of your life along? ( You mean alone) How would you know is that will be true or not? Again do you claim some special knowledge of the future? Life is a risk, we take them every day driving down the road, walking across the street and in every aspect of our lives, so what.
Man can have wonderful relationship with woman of his age and avoid all those  problems. What and you claim that couples with an age difference greater than you approve of can not be happy together? You get so better chances that woman of same age would understand your needs better and stay with you all your life. How do you know this to be true, can you speak for ALL women and ALL men, or is it just your personal inexperience with life and fears talking?
I really do not care about impression I am making on you. I am here to improve my written English and as long as I write I am happy.  I fear we do have a Troll, someone who in a vain attempt to stir up controversy and further her feminist agenda.
And more when man is afraid to be mocked he is hopelessly   old.

TigerPaws

[Turboguy]

1.Do you remember yourself  25 years old.  Do you become bad person. Is your past  made your character unhealthy? Some people get worse with age and some get more wise and wonderful.

Yes, I remember it quite well even though it has been a long time.   I was dumb as a brick, not that that has changed over time and had no business being in a committed relationship never the less married for a year at that point.

Russian statistics says that now average age of  Russian MOB  is 19.5 yo,  the average age of  their new husbands is over 40-ty yo. (20 years age gap)  Divorce rate after girls get Green Card is 80%. And of other 20%  half will divorce in a later years ( normal american rate of divorce). Large  difference in age does not work for everybody.

The age gap statistic isn't too far off the poll that was done here. 

Ok 80% divorce at 2 years and 20 percent soon after.   Since that adds up to 100% how does that explain TP and KenC who did neither.

Can I ask you a question?   Do you believe in reincarnation?   I am wondering how you got your experience of what it is like to be a 55 or 65 year old man unless you were one in a previous life.   

Actually when I was 25 and married I thought sex about 6 times a week was perfect.   Now 40 years later I would also consider that about perfect.   VWRW made the statement yesterday that most of the russian couples who have been married 20 years don't have sex much more than a couple of times a month.   My first thought was that sounded terrible but then I thought more and maybe at 85 it might be about right.  Then again, maybe I will still think 6 times a week is perfect.

[KenC]

Turbo,
Her "statistics" claim 80% divorce upon issuance of green card and the 20% balance of relationships are subject to the normal rate of divorce.  As the divorce rate is about 50% then 50% of the 20% remaining relationships will also end in divorce leaving 10% as long term successful marriages.
100% - 80%=20% X 50%=10%

I just cannot accept the 19.5 as the average age of a MOB.  That seems as an impossibility.
KenC

[Gator]

I just cannot accept the 19.5 as the average age of a MOB.

I agree with you, but the actual number may be less than we think.  On my flight Tuesday from Moscow, there was one American man around 40 or older with his fiancee.  She had orthodontics on her teeth, Punk-rock black polish on her fingernails, and skin without pores.  Maybe he was adopting her and not marrying her. 

[Turboguy]

I guess I should read closer Ken.   You are right.   Well, perhaps if they surveyed the AFA social group the divorce statistics might be right, otherwise no.

As far as the age of the MOB, no way.   I don't think 1% are 19 YO.   Perhaps with the Philippines there may be a lot of 19 YO but not with the FSU.

[Blues Fairy]

100% - 80%=20% X 50%=10%

Faulty logic; divorce after GC does not necessarily mean marriage for GC.  So a portion of those 80% might be those that divorced for natural reasons, leaving more chances for the remaining 20%.  

[KenC]

Faulty logic; divorce after GC does not necessarily mean marriage for GC.  So a portion of those 80% might be those that divorced for natural reasons, leaving more chances for the remaining 20%.  

Where is the faulty logic?  You said:

Divorce rate after girls get Green Card is 80%. And of other 20%  half will divorce in a later years ( normal american rate of divorce).

Based on that, the math would be:
100% - 80%=20% X 50%=10%
KenC

[Blues Fairy]

You said:

I never said that!
Whoever said that has faulty logic.