league and age gaps

[ElaRossa]

Gator,

Beside being very observant, you are a great compliment maker

[Turboguy]

Not quite Ela,  I am pretty sure I have it figured out.  

[Jet]

Give me at least a couple of weeks, please.

Great, you got it! Come back in a couple of weeks and speak 
Until then, if you want to torture Turbo with innuendo please do it by PM as it really isn't that fascinating for the rest of us 

[ElaRossa]

Not quite Ela,  I am pretty sure I have it figured out.  

Good,
Then I can go to bed finally.

Good night, gentlemen.

[Turboguy]

Good night Elena

[ElaRossa]

Good night Elena

Good night, dear helping friend

[Turboguy]

As I said a few pages ago sometimes it is a very big world and sometimes it is a very small world. 

[Kuna]

Well don't just leave it there....  you obviously know her - and she obviously knows you...

She was making accusations (which I agree need to be substantiated otherwise it's poor form) but I' sure I'm not the only one who's more than a little curious.   

[Mir]

Elena

Can this be the lady who owns Elena's models? 

She would know all about TGs dating history (and of many others as well)

Everyone waits with bated breath for this drama to unfold.

BTW 'To wait with bated breath' was a phrase firest used by Shakespear in 'The Merchant of Venice', is there an Italian phrase with the same meaning?

[Turboguy]

Like everyone she has a right to decide how much of her life she cares to share Kuna.   She is a very nice and attractive lady originally from Ukraine that I used to write to in the snail mail days.  I would guess she and I corresponded in the late 90's.

She ended up marrying a guy from America and moving here.  She might make a good poster child for those who think age gap marriages are not a good thing.  She married an older guy and their life styles were not very compatable.   She liked to do things and he liked to sit in front of the TV sipping what ever it was he drank.  She found herself living in a beautiful house over looking a lake with someone she did not feel very compatable with.  

They filed for a divorce and it was a fairly nasty divorce.   She happened to contact me about that time and we communicated for a while.   She was very concerned about surviving.  She is in a very expensive place to live and she had a part time job that would hardly cover the rent.  A lot of our conversations at that time were about how she would ever manage to survive along with all the problems of a bitter divorce.

I did make a few trips to visit her and we did some fun things like snow tubing.  I felt bad for her and I always thought of her as a very nice person.  At the time I had an empty house and offered that if she want to she could live there until she got herself situated that she could live there rent free thinking even a part time job would let her survive.   I did not know that she had not received her AED and was not legal to work at that time which made finding a part time job much more difficult.  

Anyway, I made a couple of trips bringing her stuff and her down.  Unfortunately some of the things she treasured had some damage in the move and I don't think she ever forgave me for that but anyway after 30 days here she decided she missed her friends and her job and did not like the house here that much so I rented a u-haul and took her back.   Until she found her way here I had not heard from her in several years.  

Anyway that is pretty much the story.  No, I have never been to the Philippines.

Mir, no not the same Elena as the agency.  Actually she worked as a translater when she was in Ukraine and made a number of trips to Italy on business and is fluent in Italian.  

[SANDRO43]

BTW 'To wait with bated breath' was a phrase firest used by ShakespearE in 'The Merchant of Venice', is there an Italian phrase with the same meaning?

Attendere col fiato sospeso .

[Mir]

Thank you Sandro

So we have had TGs version of the story and now are all Attendere col fiato in sospeso waiting for Elena to wake up 

[I/O]

Turbo: You've copped as much from me as anyone and that is prolly not likely to change anytime soon, BUT enter ElaRossa into this thread and it is taking a very unwanted direction IMO. Whatever the nature of your former association with her is entirely your own business and unless she comes up with something worth defending, my advice to you is to keep it your own business.

I'm right with JB on this one, I hate tar and feathers without evidence. You can't, nor should you be expected to defend smoke and mirrors. That ain't a fair shake IMO.

ElaRossa: Gator says you are not an idiot and he is a man who I have a deal of respect for, however in this thread you have appeared as seriously mischievous for no apparent reason other than to perhaps grab Turbo's attention. That in and of itself kind of makes me wonder, but time will show I guess.

I/O

[jb]

No, she said she is FSUW.  And in a post from July she talked about Kharkov water.  She is not an idiot.

I'll grant the point, but she sounds almost rather like a woman scorned.  There is an agenda going on here, my curiosity is definitely piqued.

[Kuna]

Like everyone she has a right to decide how much of her life she cares to share Kuna.  

That's pretty funny... you actually shared a fair bit of her life with us... I wonder what ElaRossa has to share now.

jb... I read it as a woman scorned too...  Didn't sound much like someone who would appreciate the efforts of a platonic friend who just tried to help her out.

Still... if she wants to make any acquisitions she shoud follow it up with some fact.  I a=can assure her there are several people who would be interested to hear her version.

[Gator]

You can rest assured that Elena has been here and read these posts.

Gentlemen:  Place your bets.

-  Does she come back swinging, which is not really like a lady and contrary to my perception of her based on how her neighbors were neighborly in her time of need? 
-  Or does she remain silent, which would make some believe that Turbo's story is accurate (and others say that she just moved on like a lady)? 
-  Or does she make some subtle dig at Turbo, which is where I am placing my bet (but she may do this via PM)?

I think there is far more to this story, and rejection may be part of it. 

After her divorce she reopened communication with Turbo.  This is a major move; I have had three ex-girlfriends contact me in the past 6 years and I know what that means.   A woman's rebound from a divorce or broken relationship can be more topsy turvy than a man's.  So something happened other than Turbo breaking her dishes in the move.

One advantage about dating non-English speaking women, you never have to deal with this stuff. 

Turbo, if you lived next to me I would never need to buy a lightning rod for my house because I am sure you would attract all of it.   What's next in your saga?

This could be rather entertaining, dependent upon how Elena wishes to deal her cards.  I bet their PMs to each other are interesting.

[ScottinCrimea]

Anyway that is pretty much the story.  No, I have never been to the Philippines.

Interesting how TG limits his response.  I wonder why.  The original statement was, "Thus I happened to know that he was working in Philininian directions as well. I can't say if he made a trip there already."

So he leaves the questions answered as to whether he was looking toward the Phillipines for something.  A young wife maybe?  Maybe after 10 years of failure in the FSU he was expanding his sights.

[jb]

Scott,

Ela has indicated she'll be forth coming later,,, who knows what wiill turn up?

Unlike some other people I could name, I don't suffer from a short attention span.

[ElaRossa]

Like everyone she has a right to decide how much of her life she cares to share Kuna.   She is a very nice and attractive lady originally from Ukraine that I used to write to in the snail mail days.  I would guess she and I corresponded in the late 90's.

She ended up marrying a guy from America and moving here.  She might make a good poster child for those who think age gap marriages are not a good thing.  She married an older guy and their life styles were not very compatable.   She liked to do things and he liked to sit in front of the TV sipping what ever it was he drank.  She found herself living in a beautiful house over looking a lake with someone she did not feel very compatable with. 

They filed for a divorce and it was a fairly nasty divorce.   She happened to contact me about that time and we communicated for a while.   She was very concerned about surviving.  She is in a very expensive place to live and she had a part time job that would hardly cover the rent.  A lot of our conversations at that time were about how she would ever manage to survive along with all the problems of a bitter divorce.

I did make a few trips to visit her and we did some fun things like snow tubing.  I felt bad for her and I always thought of her as a very nice person.  At the time I had an empty house and offered that if she want to she could live there until she got herself situated that she could live there rent free thinking even a part time job would let her survive.   I did not know that she had not received her AED and was not legal to work at that time which made finding a part time job much more difficult. 

Anyway, I made a couple of trips bringing her stuff and her down.  Unfortunately some of the things she treasured had some damage in the move and I don't think she ever forgave me for that but anyway after 30 days here she decided she missed her friends and her job and did not like the house here that much so I rented a u-haul and took her back.   Until she found her way here I had not heard from her in several years. 

Anyway that is pretty much the story.   

What a sugar coating story. Somebody, give me Kleenex, please.

Interesting, that out of all BS I found most amazing this one - I did not know that she had not received her AED and was not legal to work at that time which made finding a part time job much more difficult -

So people, what do you want to know - dirty details, funny stuff or everything.

BTW - you all are wrong - I was hiking

Gator - after 3 letters/year style it was just pen-friends correspoding regarding his and mine construction projects and business oportunies in FSU, that I was trying to prove not to do then. We were exchanging cards for X-mass and Easter, he knew I was coming here as a bride. We were in touch. Please don't judge about me by the type of women are are accustomed to.

If you wouldn't hear from me for a while - I've got 2 warnings from admin

[ElaRossa]

First all, I want everybody know that I am not and was not his GF.
There was a time that I and my surrounding considered him my friend, a good guy.
I even was trying to persuade then my husband to invite Ray to visit us.
To thank him for his kind gesture to give me a shelter at a very difficult time when
I had to apply for a restraining order. I am still horrified to think what might have happened to me at Ray's "shelter" as I was not driving even then and was in an extremely poor health conditions were not my husband and I trying to reconcile. And there was a legal agreement to my driving signed by the judge.  Are you getting our different live styles in a really beautiful house (the only true fact in probably in his story) on the pond in the woods in isolated rural area with only moose and bears for neighbors and every possible and impossible to believe no-no method to my to driving ?

Yes, Ray did visit me (to check out if I good enough for him my late guess) for the New Year's Eve holiday. Some of you may know, that it's the most important holiday as Slavic people have a believe that a new year is going to be the way you meet it, so everybody is trying to have company and lots of fun. So being all by myself in a stran-ge cru-el wor-ld
in the middle of ugly divorce (also true - Ray was reporting about it long before my appearance here - just for the record for that I am not the first who started disclose somebody else's private issues to a broad public) and my husband relaxing in the middle of divorce in Philippines with a new, more obedient victim (I am afraid I put Ray's search in one more direction when shared the fact with a dear friend - big brother as I called him). So I obviously have troubles with layers - do you recall a snow shovel legal transfer story - that was my lawyer upon my DH request. Snow shovel in Philippines. Have I mentioned that I was right after the surgery then - and that was actually the reason for the divorce (how could you forget it, Big Brother). HD:- go be sick back to your country, ironically divorce turned out the be the only chance to have a corrective surgery as at the right time HD, officer and a gentleman with a great retirement and benefits package so the surgery would not be a financial burden, run out of the doctor's office screaming she has nothing, I said she has nothing. So well, my manager with napoleon's complex forced me to go to work in a day after the surgery just for couple hours a day - farewell otherwise.  Ray, what did you say about me missing that place of work? I recall you told  me that I have the hell of the manager. Well, when in trouble predators come in many clothes. Did I mention that my Amourchik filed for a divorce just in time for joint application for a permanent green-card. So he put me out of status. There was at least one good thing - I managed to find a real good immigration lawyer. Big Brother, I am disappointed, you are supposed to be more aware about permanent residence process by now. Why couldn't I work - I was a legal perman resident - I had an authorisation to drive and work that was issued every year while my permanent green-card case was pending. The problem is you can't get a decent employment with no green-card in hand. But wasn't you showing me on my PC while visiting the PT position in your business that you were planning to give me when developed and a FT perspective later and meanwhile I would be cleaning for you and other people. (I did clean, didn't I, I honestly repaid my stay as the placed has not been cleaned in years). So wasn't it lovely to have so great and caring friend around for the very important holiday of the year and start a new year with new plans and hope. Chears. Always supporting friend with a kind word and advice - you know how he does his speach writing - you are doing great, I am proud of you, blah-blah-blah - while everybody were saying, poor thing, you will not survive here. And please keep in mind he never never never did any hint or gesture or anything to expose anything more then a friendship. Predators are very patient. I used to deal a lot with Western men due to work obligation and kinda was able to separate this and that. Perfect performance Ray, like any sociopath though. There was a different attitude to my situation - from do not contact from people I knew and there was a kindness of the strangers. As I mentioned in previous posting I was lucky to live in a great community where people didn't think that was OK for a guy to leave a wife who was not working, was facing health issues, being a foreigner with hardly any experience here, green-card trap, etc. It was not about pity - simple folks always appreciated that the girl from the big house who never treated them with arrogance or disrespect and volunteered a lot in the community. You saw it, dear helping friend. All the farmers came to help with moving and say good buy, bringing honey and maple syrup. It was not suspiciously surprising to anyone that one more good guy (Turboguy) offered a helping hand. It seemed like a good idea for everyone of a fresh start for me away from the area of painful events. My immigration lawyer told me - it would be so good for you, it's so nice of your friend and she was looking for an immigration lawyer for me in PA. Many people were helping in one way or another and always asking me to accept their help underlining that they were doing it because of me and my personality not because of my husband and lack of his personality. Was I stupid  - no, I kept asking and asking Ray question in between 3 jobs:
Me: what is the place like Ray:it's a small not fancy place next to my house where my son lived before remarried. I give you a break for a year or two before you are back on the feet. And I am working on replacement of a bath tub.
Me: Ray, I really appreciate it but I don't want to put you in more trouble.
- Well, Ray, wasn't it a right time to tell that there was none tub to replace there, not a bathroom/toilet available even.
Me: what is the area like. Ray:  it's very industrial area, you'll get better chances to get good employment opportunities
So is it that what you are telling to Irina now - is Beaver Falls any better then Ellwood City?  As far as I remember last time you were showing me your place in Beaver Falls (to give a better impression over your places in Ellwood City) there was no bathroom there neither.
Gentlemen, one can be super duper smart to ask all the right questions before the right move but who can ever guess that when dealing with Ray there is just one one must ask question - accuse me, but is there any bathroom/toilet at your place?

[ElaRossa]

So - Ray's shelter rules are (Attention: disclosed after but not before a generous offer of a caring friend) - food and roof and TV and PC in his trash bin of a house (oh, you know I've forgotten to tell you that separate rent-free little place I told you about is not dwellable - it has no bathroom, no toilet and because of several inch thick mildew everywhere walls can collapse any moment but we will keep your stuff there as I keep my crazy ex-GF -all his GFs are turning out to be crazy and many are running away dropping all the stuff). So that all for doing dishes (he has no dishwasher and doesn't do dishes), may be laundry - not hard as first thing in the morning Ray is putting on dirty briefs and dirty socks - and keeping legs apart in between his "business" trips to Russia (actually he called it to England and Germany). If you are good and don't get on his nerves - big price -a trip to his business show - as business expense - entertainment. And really anyone is welcome to his shelter - even AW, even AW not so much younger then he is, even AW not so much younger then he is and married to somebody else but leaving with Ray for years. Gentlemen, you gonna get a kick from this story - he picked up somebody else's wife - I thought, it would not hurt, that's how dear friend was always explaining me - Ray, please correct me regarding your favorite period of live with Jeanny - is she still around? She was breathing in his back for years - something like he's kissing her goodbye to go on business trip to Cleveland, when at Pitts Int'l Airport she's waiting for him at the gate of a flight to Moscow to catch him. He could get rid of her, so he left her in his place (the only one with a bathroom, kinda bathroom) and was hiding from her moving to apartments in the area, remember his other places had no bathrooms, so he had to rent. As she was trying to catch him at work he managed to get a restraining order. His other Amer GF wanted to clean her teeth at the gas stations only, my guess - used to serve truckers. One American Beauty he took on a business trip abroad scratched his face till bleeding on the plane in public. Are getting the picture, Ray is very cheap, he was looking for a women in trouble that would live with him skipping the period of dating, flowers, candies, whatever. Besides troubles with Jenny all AW were bringing commitments issues sooner a later. So he switched to international dating, still trying to keep somebody around. If I remember correctly first it was Latin America. We really need to ask Ray - you obviously see he was telling me a lot, he tells everything folk in his office. Sociopaths also have their moments, you know - yes, I'm rotten evil guy. When I asked him why he didn't want to settle - you have this issues and that issues, all places are worse than a mess, etc. besides his typical I don't know, he said, yes, she was OK, but maybe there will be something better.
He was on every dating sites all over the world as he has to be always on the search - either she' dropping him (not so stupid) or he's dropping her(commitments).

So, I am really impressed that he finally ready to commit. Getting harder to trap a woman.
You can't imagine how he got pissed off and nasty when I wanted to leave the moment I came - it was not hard to figure out everything. Ray, Brenda  (his daughter) was a witness. And a guy from Verizon - as I made arrangements to install the phone as soon as we came, so I could start job hunting in a highly industrial area, with everything shut down and no supermarket even. So next morning I was calling the whole world to get a way to get out of the trap with 5 dollars in a pocket and all credit cards up to the limit with legal charges and ex writing to my lawyer - there was no scratch on the kitchen counter top, she did it. I even got a serious suggestion to find Amish people in PA and ask for help to move out. Stop. Why should they - he got me in his crap amd he's moving me out. It took sweet time - "business" trip, then he has a golf, then he has a bowling, then he has American Idol.
So Ray was packing to England (that was planned long ahead tour to Moscow) but he somehow forgotten to tell me  about it before I decided to sign final papers and close divorce case. But as soon as I did and let him know he called and told - oh, I have in business trip to England and Germany, so we can't make an extra trip to take all you things. Even my ex made a gesture and gave me 2 extra weeks before vacating the house and I have to chance neither take, nor sell, nor store anywhere and we need to go go go and take just what will fit so Ray can go to Russia to screw somebody as turned out. Dear friend, when you go to your friend's country you do what - hey, I go to your country in 2,3,4, months to meet a wonderful lady, do you want me to bring you little something. The way you did revealed everybody your real indends to help me out.

Ray, I would never understand what made you think that I would be with you and I made you understand it a way sometimes woman chose to do to make it crystal clear. Why chasing women with a class, why don't you get it no woman of a class will stay with a pig like you, not to mention your total lack of a moral character. And you know it was ouy his private business - I underwent significant financial losses and property damage so he could try to take advantage of my situation. Was it just my case, there was some other woman's stuff in his place. Who knows?

Sandro, only you can understand - live time collection of unique dictionaires - all gone to mildew. And a helping friend - there is nothing we can do. Ray, with all your multiple trips to Europe you might have at least to try to restore the collection.

What pissed me of the most - your crusade against AMBRA act - hello - it was launched due to predators like you. Have you told all the truth about yourself and your search for a life partner. So are your going to tell Irina when she' going to do the laundry - My darling, and these washer and dryer belong to my dear friend Elena, who I thought wouldn't hurt to f*ck on may way to you, my love. It hurts, Ray. You knew very well that I loved my husband and forgive him because he has serious issues he were not able to handle. I can't hate a sick person because he is a sick person. And apart from fascista side he had amore side. But you know what you are doing and you go on doing it. You have a mother, but sometimes I think you don't. You are disgusting creature. You told I should not have trusted you. True. Should your fiancee trust you? Can anybody trust you?

[Admin]

The words are all English, and I think I understand each of them - individually  - but I just cannot seem to make sense of the story.

Maybe someone can provide the condensed version - or Cliff's Notes for those of us lacking the patience to do a translation?

- Dan

[ElaRossa]

[ I bet their PMs to each other are interesting.

[/quote]

Young man, who do you take me for?
Why would I PM with a guy whose fiancee is a member here.
She's very welcome to know. May help.

I am concerned a bit - so far we have not had her reaction to my postings.
Haven't you noticed that their posting are as if written by the same person?
I thought he was helping her with writing. And now I wonder if she's able to read.
He might be doing selective translation if any. 

[Admin]

Young man, who do you take me for?
Why would I PM with a guy whose fiancee is a member here.
She's very welcome to know. May help.

I am concerned a bit - so far we have not had her reaction to my postings.
Haven't you noticed that their posting are as if written by the same person?
I thought he was helping her with writing. And now I wonder if she's able to read.
He might be doing selective translation if any. 

ElaRossa,

I admit that I do not fully understand your lengthy posts. Nor can I discern exactly what you are upset about with Turboguy.

What seems abundantly clear is that your sole purpose for participating at RWD is to stalk Turboguy and create difficulty for him - possibly even disrupting his relationship with VWRW. Is that your intent? If not - what, exactly, IS your intent for participation here?

I await your reply.

- Dan

[wxman]

What I can discern from the posting, is that TG does not live in the Carlton Ritz, is untidy, and that some of the women in his past that he dated, were different, shall we say.