Ask me, I've done it! and have been married for 3 years happily!

[possum]

Welcome possum!

I met and work online daily with a few great young lads your age in FSU.  Your outlook seems to mirror their thoughts and actions, - something along the lines of taking life one day at a time and making the best of it.  I think your generation has a lot to look forward to and an outlook that even us old 'geezers' can learn something from.

Cheers!

Thanks for the welcome, BC.. and you may be right about us, young whipper snappers, having a little different outlook on things than the previous generations..

[Eduard]

There are now over 20,000 women online on singles.ru. Even if your numbers are true, let us say that the women looking for sponsors, the women looking to exchanges sex for money, the women looking for female companionship account for 40% of all the women on the site (a bit high, but I will accept your numbers). This still leaves you over 12,000 women that you can write to for FREE! Are you saying that you could not find one woman that would interest you and one woman who would be interested in you in 12,000 potential candidates?

Just the mambo network has almost 2,000,000 women. And there are others that I use that bring it to a total of at least 5,000,000
yes a percentage of those profiles are spam, escorts, people just playing around but majority are legit single women looking for somebody.
A lifetime wouldn't be enough to go through all the profiles of single women advertising on free russian sites

[Eduard]

As a 24 yo guy, these numbers sound about right to me.. I don't see myself getting married anytime soon, unless a really special girl comes along.. and that is a sentiment that I know is shared by many other Russian guys around my age.. I enjoy the freedom to do whatever I want and go wherever I want without having to ask anybody's permisson.. Sure, I don't have the same level of sexual and emotional stability SOME married people have, but then I don't have any of the problems associated with marriage either, financial or otherwise.. Having said that, I could probably support a family of three financially, but emotionally I'm not ready to be a husband and a dad..

Thanks for confirming my "unpopular" stats and welcome to the forum.
Ti sam otkuda, bratan?

[possum]

Thanks for confirming my "unpopular" stats and welcome to the forum.
Ti sam otkuda, bratan?

Uhh you're welcome, I guess..

ja iz Tomska

[Bruno]

Just the mambo network has almost 2,000,000 women.

mambo.ru , single.ru , love.rambler.ru , flirt.com.ua , love.online.ua , etc ... are the same site... some little skin change only... all work with the same loggin and password... register to one and try the other !!!

For mambo.ru ... 959090 ads ... and your see to be right... around 2.000.000 women, to be exact, 2.109.824 women... but :

21963 women seeking couple M/M
26857 women seeking couple W/W
28210 women seeking couple M/W
295684 women seeking a woman
1737110 women seeking a man

... it mean that 82% of the women are seeking only a man !!!

Now, for the 1737110 women who seek  a man, only 1.036.497 women have a picture... men are visual and very few will write to a ads without photo... 49% of the total of women are seeking a man and have a photo posted!!!

Since the extended search is only possible for VIP ( meaning that you need to pay )... maybe someone can make the following search : man seeking women from 0 to 99 y.o. with photo, Marriage-the creation of the family  ( Брак, создание семьи )... curious to know the total... in any case, the % will be lower that the previous 49%...

And from these final %, you need to remove all the ladies who don't wish marry a foreign man... in Rssia, the majority of Russian women seek a russian guy... the same is true in every country... we, these who seek outside our border are a minority...

Eduard, the best statistic for promote your business is the number of marriage that you help to make by year !!! Of course, never make like AFA who say that they make xx marriage day... the total by year was bigger that the total immigration via K1 and K3 for the US in one year...

What is important for a apple tree is not the number of flower in the tree at the spring... but the number of apple that you can eat at the autumn...

[Misha]

For mambo.ru ... 959090 ads ... and your see to be right... around 2.000.000 women, to woman
1737110 women seeking a man

... it mean that 82% of the women are seeking only a man !!!

Now, for the 1737110 women who seek  a man, only 1.036.497 women have a picture...

Let's say that only 30% of the women are potentially compatible with you. That still leavers over 300,000 women as potential candidates. Eduard is right in pointing out that there are more women there than you will ever be able to send a message to and meet in your lifetime. I don't really understand why you are not satisfied. Yes there will the the less than ideal women, but there are hundreds of thousands left over.

[Bruno]

Let's say that only 30% of the women are potentially compatible with you.

i am almost 40 yo... seek ads from women between 35 to 45 yo, with photo and wishing a man... on 2.109.824 women, only 119424 women... it is 5.6% only of the total of women... let say that 50% please me... remain 2.8%, around 59712 women... from these, maybe 50% wishing marriage... 1.4%, 29856 women...

That still leavers over 300,000 women as potential candidates. Eduard is right in pointing out that there are more women there than you will ever be able to send a message to and meet in your lifetime. I don't really understand why you are not satisfied. Yes there will the the less than ideal women, but there are hundreds of thousands left over.

Yes, same almost 30000 women is a huge number... but how much of them have interest in foreign man... maybe 1 op 20... it mean that you will have to write and send 20 personal letter knowing already that 19 are no seeking a foreign husband...

When i was using freepersonals.ru, where women are seeking foreign man, for 800 letter, i have receive around 30 reply... of course, i was saying that i was poor, ... yep, i was seeking a women who like me for what i am and not for my wallet... this reduce a lot the reply rate...

My point is that seeking a potential wife on a site where the lady are wishing a WM is already not easy... seeking on a russian site where russian seek other russian will not make the task more easy... if you wish a gardener, you seek a gardener without job, you don't try every people without job...

About my previous post... the 100000 women seeking a western man yearly is not related to FSU but to all country who are not western... these number are from somewhere in the CIA handbook...

[Misha]

i am almost 40 yo... seek ads from women between 35 to 45 yo, with photo and wishing a man... on 2.109.824 women, only 119424 women... it is 5.6% only of the total of women... let say that 50% please me... remain 2.8%, around 59712 women... from these, maybe 50% wishing marriage... 1.4%, 29856 women...

Again, the singles.ru site allows  you to search by age range so you could specify 35 to 45 and sift through the ages that appeal to you. Given the age range you specified, this would actually make it a lot easier for you: they get a lot more attention than the younger women. What you have to do is look at the very bottom of the page and see how many times her profile has been viewed. This will be an indication of how many men have written her in the month. If the number is in the thousands, it is likely that she is overwhelmed with messages. If her profiled was viewed a few dozen times, she will read her messages much more carefully and is much more likely to respond. Keep in mind as well that a large proportion of the messages a woman gets will be men proposing meeting for sex. If you write a nice letter, you are already a cut above most of the men.

Again, I can't understand why you could  not find an interesting woman among 30,000 eligible women.

[Bruno]

Again, I can't understand why you could  not find an interesting woman among 30,000 eligible women.

Seem that you don't understand... It is not about finding a interesting women but finding a women who have interest in me...

These russian site are similar the the US one... one the US one, you have a lot of AW seeking a husband... but very few are seeking/wishing a husband abroad...

Like say before, i have use freepersonal.ru in the past... around 20000 profile, 800 interesting for me... 30 reply... only 5 after the a few letter exchange... but all the 20000 women was seeking a man abroad... in your russian site, it is certainly a very low %... i am not yet retired and i have not the time to write to several thousand of ladies, knowing already that the majority of them have no interest in foreign man...

It is all about the big work needed for a very little result...

The only positive side of russian site is too find a RW who is virgin of any contact with the looser type of foreign man... but i think that the odds are bigger for me to win the jackpot in the lotery...

[Misha]

Seem that you don't understand... It is not about finding a interesting women but finding a women who have interest in me...

It is all about the big work needed for a very little result...

The only positive side of russian site is too find a RW who is virgin of any contact with the looser type of foreign man... but i think that the odds are bigger for me to win the jackpot in the lotery...

Oh well, in my case it was a lot easier. I managed to find a lot of women who were interested in chatting or meeting for a quick date. My experience was not quite as bleak as you described, but I do speak Russian. I found my wife in less than a year and I would say that I won the jackpot

You are right in that it was nice finding women who were not in the agency circuit and who had not met many (if any) foreign men.

[Bruno]

Oh well, in my case it was a lot easier. I managed to find a lot of women who were interested in chatting or meeting for a quick date.

Chatting is not a problem... but meet is more difficult... i have only 5 week holiday year... and i need around one little month living together for know if a lady is the right one of not... this make a maximum of 2 meeting in the year... two mistake and it is one year loose... and now, near 40 y.o., it seem that year are shorter and that time is running...

My experience was not quite as bleak as you described, but I do speak Russian.

Lucky guy... i only speak french, english and dutch... but never i have feel the need of a translator... of course, i have always choose a lady who have some base in one of the 3 language i know, it reduce a lot the choice...

I found my wife in less than a year and I would say that I won the jackpot

I found my wife in a few month... when i was agency owner in 1997, she have replace one russian collaborator... i was happy during 5 year... unhappy during the divorce...

You are right in that it was nice finding women who were not in the agency circuit and who had not met many (if any) foreign men

So many time, i have ear RW saying : but the previous guy have give me this and this and this... of course, the previous guy have never marry her... only fµck her for some expensive gift... some seen forget that the money use for gift can be better used for the familly life... of course, don't be too much greedy, RW don't like it... the prodater was created by these western guy not really wishing marry but more wishing a short periode of fun... slowly, these prodater become a plague... they write you, they meet you, they receive gift/ring... but once it is near the marriage, they dissappear...

My last trip in Odessa have show me a typical case... i was waiting my plane at the airport... a foreign guy was with a local women... a lot of kiss, a lot of "i love you", some cry... once the foreign man away, she have go to the arrival terminal... after sometime, a other foreign guy have spring in her arms...

To be honest, i have use sometime your russian site, mainly one caled something like dogsu or something like this... mainly, i have find no wife... but i have find a lot of women friend... and some of them can give you good advice over "how to date a RW"... but in the case of Eduard, it is him who seek the contact... not the guy seeking a russian bride... from what i know from the Russian spirit, a lot of women will find so guy a looser, a guy not able to find a lady himself... several RW don't like the rudness of RM but they wish a real man, not some pussy who need a babysiter...

[Eduard]

several RW don't like the rudness of RM but they wish a real man, not some pussy who need a babysiter...

Bruno,
some of my clients are very tough guys. I've had ex-marines and ex-army guys as clients among several others who are far from being a "pussy" as you call it. Strong, smart, respectable men.
Assuming that you are a tough guy, the only difference is that they came to a conclusion that "if I'm going to search for, get to know and marry a woman from another culture, who doesn't speak my language or speaks it just a little, and I sure as hell don't speak any Russian, I'm going to have somebody who does speak both languages equally well, who spent half of his life in Russia and the other half in the US, who went through the entire process himself to help me with this!" And by the way they are happily married now...yet you are still looking, and already been through a divorce with a RW.
I realise that this is predominantly a DIY community and agency driven forum, and my ideas are not very popular but please, don't knock it till you've tryed it.
I will say that there are some very smart and wise individuals here who have good ideas which one could definitely benefit from. Now, I'm not the smartest guy, so I'm not trying to teach people what to do, but you still can't substitute my experience of being born and raised in Russia, knowing Russian language as a native speaker, knowing and understanding the culture yet spending the other half of my life in the US. It's not a common place to be at, and some very smart men find that they benefit from my knowledge and experience.

PS. why didn't it work out with your first Russian wife?

[Eduard]

Uhh you're welcome, I guess..

ja iz Tomska

ti zhivesh v Tomske ili v Shtatah?

[possum]

ti zhivesh v Tomske ili v Shtatah?

I have never been outside of 'Mother Russia' in my life.. poetomu zhivu v Tomske do sih por..

[Eduard]

Bruno, you touched up on a very interesting subject that I will share with you guys.
You said that many women do not put photos on their profile. Therefor you dismiss them as a possible mate.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA well, here is a revelation for you:
When I was searching for my own wife, I obviously looked through thousands of profiles, contacted many girls, talked to hundreds. Unlike you, Bruno, I didn't just dismiss girls without photos because I was reading through profiles and realised that some very pretty girls would initially post their photos, but after a while they would remove them. Why? Because they were inendated with stupid emails from young guys just looking for sex, sometimes just writing insults, all kinds of BS that was aggrivating to read and wasted their time. So they decided to remove their photos and this way they were only attracting attention from the guys who were inclined to read their profile and contact them on the basis of what a girl put in there.
Obviously Bruno, this would exclude you
Now I get to the funny part.
Out of thousands I finally narrowed down my search to just 2 women who I really felt great connection with and got to know them both by exchanging emails and talking on the phone as well as chatting on MSN messenger. They both were beautiful, and the decision to choose one over the other was difficult but then I went with the one that I felt I could trust the most - she is now my wife.
The punch line here is that neither one of them had photos on their profile!!!
I just liked what they wrote. They both seemed to be very genuine and wanted to find a good guy who they could trust and love and have a family with.
I wrote to them and after a couple of exchanges they sent me photos and WOW!!!
They were beautiful. I was getting to know them both on line and by phone for about 4 months before I made a trip to Russia to meet with them. There was great chemistry with both women but now being with them face to face only confirmed my feeling that I could trust the one that is now my wife more.
So the moral of this story - some of the best women both inside and out don't put photos on their profile. But if you take the time to read women's profiles even if they don't have pics you could find that special jem that you've been looking for.

[Eduard]

I have never been outside of 'Mother Russia' in my life.. poetomu zhivu v Tomske do sih por..

a otkuda takoy english kleviy?

[Eduard]

I have never been outside of 'Mother Russia' in my life.. poetomu zhivu v Tomske do sih por..

Moya zhena tozje iz Sibiri - Yakutsk, znaesh?

[Mod7]

Eduard & Possum, the language of this board is ENGLISH.

If you want to have a conversation in Russian, please either do so in the Russian section, or provide an English translation, too, as a courtesy to non-Russian-speaking members. Thank you.

[possum]

No prob.. we'll just take our conversation to PMs..

[Admin]

Bruno,
some of my clients are very tough guys. I've had ex-marines and ex-army guys as clients among several others who are far from being a "pussy" as you call it. Strong, smart, respectable men.
Assuming that you are a tough guy, the only difference is that they came to a conclusion that "if I'm going to search for, get to know and marry a woman from another culture, who doesn't speak my language or speaks it just a little, and I sure as hell don't speak any Russian, I'm going to have somebody who does speak both languages equally well, who spent half of his life in Russia and the other half in the US, who went through the entire process himself to help me with this!" And by the way they are happily married now...yet you are still looking, and already been through a divorce with a RW.
I realise that this is predominantly a DIY community and agency driven forum, and my ideas are not very popular but please, don't knock it till you've tryed it.
I will say that there are some very smart and wise individuals here who have good ideas which one could definitely benefit from. Now, I'm not the smartest guy, so I'm not trying to teach people what to do, but you still can't substitute my experience of being born and raised in Russia, knowing Russian language as a native speaker, knowing and understanding the culture yet spending the other half of my life in the US. It's not a common place to be at, and some very smart men find that they benefit from my knowledge and experience.

PS. why didn't it work out with your first Russian wife?

Oh Eduard ....

Please refer to the emboldened text above.

Please clarify EXACTLY what you mean by that statement.

Thanks!

- Dan

[Eduard]

Oh Eduard ....

Please refer to the emboldened text above.

Please clarify EXACTLY what you mean by that statement.

Thanks!

- Dan

Dan,
which part of it is not clear? I thought you said in one of your previous posts that I don't have to be politically correct? 

[Admin]

Dan,
which part of it is not clear? I thought you said in one of your previous posts that I don't have to be politically correct? 

Ah, more games.

Please state EXACTLY what you mean.

How is this an "agency driven forum"? Please state your clarification as politically incorrect as you wish.

- Dan

[Eduard]

Ah, more games.

Please state EXACTLY what you mean.

How is this an "agency driven forum"? Please state your clarification as politically incorrect as you wish.

- Dan

would agency sponsored sound better? I'm not the one playing games. Why do you suddenly pick 3 words out of that whole post and ask for clarification?

[Admin]

would agency sponsored sound better? I'm not the one playing games. Why do you suddenly pick 3 words out of that whole post and ask for clarification?

Because of your implications - which you apparently have not the courage to state explicitly.

This is not unlike your incredibly hard-headed and assinine position regarding the 8:1 "statistics" you cite on your website. Difference is - when you make that idiotic claim on your website, it ends up with only your credibility suffering. When you make a falacious and similarly idiotic claim about RWD, NOW you have my full and complete attention.

You made a claim - and I demand your substantiation. You claim in those 3 words that RWD is "driven" by agencies.

Prove it.

- Dan

[Eduard]

OK, isn't this forum sponsored by people connected to agencies in one way or another? Look at the advertising here! I looked at your site too and it seemed to me that affiliate program referring traffic to agencies is what the site is focused on as far as the revenue goes. I might be an idiot as you are trying to portray me but I"m not the only idiot who can clearly see this as indicated by other members who contacted me privately.
If this is supposed to be a public forum why can't I say what I think?