Beginner needs serious help on these marriage sites

[chernoble]

Hi I am a beginner looking for love and romance in the Russian/Ukrainian marriage website and I need some indepth opinions from people who used the following websites:

Anastasia international and bride.ru

Are these websites really good at meeting serious potential partners for love and commitment?  Do scammers use them a lot?  I am personally ready and willing to make any sacrifice to be with someone who truly loves me and I love them regardless of the distance or language.

I just want to know there are several profiles I have seen that I am interested in contacting but is it possible to check online if those profiles belong to scammers?  I am willing and able to make the trip to Ukraine or Russia or FSU to meet someone I feel comfortable with and see how it develops.  Thanks

[Jet]

Do a site search for each of the agencies you named (search is in the upper right corner next to the symbol)
I've not used any agency but many people from RWD have, and have posted comments on the forum. The search function will ferret those comments out 

[chernoble]

I already did but the information was not enough and it was vague.  I need some more details and 1st hand experience.

One thing I really am getting a little worried about is that a well recommended site like Elena's which I trust asked for me to fill in that IMBRA 2005 ACT questionnaire which makes me believe its very legitimate but all the other marriage sites (I don't like using the term "mail order bride" it sounds derogatory and disrespectful to the women on them) do not ask me to fill out an IMBRA.  But then again I see numerous media reports on Anastasia about how good it is and I find so many beautiful profiles on that site but I read a post from one of the mods here that that site is a waste of time and I want more details on why he thinks that place is bad news when its a US based company and its been well known for 4-5 years.

I am really confused and I searched all over google and everywhere but I have seen nothing but positive comments about that site.  ???

[Gator]

Chernoble,

There is concern of men who know that a significant percentage of the Anastasia Web women are not real, or at least not available (e. g., her profile is old and the woman has moved on).

There are, however, real women listed with Anastasia.  Let us assume, that you do start corresponding with one.  Here comes a definite problem.

Anastasia Web is one of those agencies where it is impossible to obey the Third, Fourth and Fifth Commandment of the 10 commandments (3rd item under main menu here).  The way they structure their business, your correspondence is sent through the agency and not to the woman's private email.  You can never be sure that the woman is actually writing you - it could be a male interpreter working for the agency. 

Let us assume, however, that she is indeed the person writing you through the agency.  Good?  Not exactly, because you will pay a premium for each letter.  So if you write for a long period or correspond with multiple women (which is highly recommended), you will pay a lot of money.  Telephone calls will also be very expensive.

If you had gone through EM instead, and subscribed to the $100/6-month plan you could retrieve the email addys of 50 women.  You could spend 10x that amount on one woman at AWeb dependent upon how long you corresponded.  Do you now understand why AWeb is not the best place?

Do not assume everyone is innocent until proven guilty.  Go with the consensus of the experienced men here.  There are other reputable agencies besides EM.  Yes, it is a good sign if an agency asks you to complete an IMBRA form.

Why don't you relax, tell us something about yourself in the Introductions Section.  There are many experienced men who try to help beginners such as yourself, if you maintain a learning attitude.  There are many different ways to skin the cat, and upon learning about your age, experience, and goals, I am sure you soon will have developed a viable plan.

Based on the little I infer from your writing, be sure to pay attention to Commandments 6 and 8.

P. S. Your selection of Chernoble for a name escapes my reasoning.

[BillyB]

Aweb a scam agency. You will pay for correspondence that wasn't from some of the ladies but employees. One member here has a wife who applied for a job at one of their feeder agencies. They told her to take dozens of cell phones with girl names on the back and to answer all calls and pretend she's the girl that the man is corresponding with and try to get the man hooked. She refused the job. Some real ladies are at Aweb but do you feel lucky?

EM has a good reputation.

I like bride.ru. It's a dating site and has no services but it give you full contact info including phone numbers of the women. Ask permission before calling any girl. Because it's FSU based and not an agency, Imbra does not apply and no extra forms to fill out or further BS.

[neo]

i would avoid all the warehouse sites and find a reputable locally owned site in the place where you want to visit. My wifes local rep had a very poor opinion of these big operations who are simply about the $$$$ - a decent reputable introduction agency will negotiate a fixed fee package with you and do everything in their power and put lots of hours into finding your ideal match and advising you on the whole shebang.

its rather like this, you are out to buy a 100K ferrari, are you going to go to a car supermarket where they have everything from pick ups to compacts lined up or are you going to go to a specialist who can tell you the valve timing on each car in his showroom?

if you are out for a look and dont know what you want then the warehouse sites are worth a play to waste some cash, but if you serious about finding a life partner then you need to go direct.

As for reputable agencies, choose a locale then ask for some tips. theres a good matchmaker in any given city who will take care of you, but most dont make a big show of it.

[Mir]

Your selection of Chernoble for a name escapes my reasoning.

Maybe that is where he is going to find his wife?
Perhaps she will glow in the dark

[chernoble]

Chernoble,

There is concern of men who know that a significant percentage of the Anastasia Web women are not real, or at least not available (e. g., her profile is old and the woman has moved on).

There are, however, real women listed with Anastasia.  Let us assume, that you do start corresponding with one.  Here comes a definite problem.

Anastasia Web is one of those agencies where it is impossible to obey the Third, Fourth and Fifth Commandment of the 10 commandments (3rd item under main menu here).  The way they structure their business, your correspondence is sent through the agency and not to the woman's private email.  You can never be sure that the woman is actually writing you - it could be a male interpreter working for the agency. 

Let us assume, however, that she is indeed the person writing you through the agency.  Good?  Not exactly, because you will pay a premium for each letter.  So if you write for a long period or correspond with multiple women (which is highly recommended), you will pay a lot of money.  Telephone calls will also be very expensive.

If you had gone through EM instead, and subscribed to the $100/6-month plan you could retrieve the email addys of 50 women.  You could spend 10x that amount on one woman at AWeb dependent upon how long you corresponded.  Do you now understand why AWeb is not the best place?

Do not assume everyone is innocent until proven guilty.  Go with the consensus of the experienced men here.  There are other reputable agencies besides EM.  Yes, it is a good sign if an agency asks you to complete an IMBRA form.

Why don't you relax, tell us something about yourself in the Introductions Section.  There are many experienced men who try to help beginners such as yourself, if you maintain a learning attitude.  There are many different ways to skin the cat, and upon learning about your age, experience, and goals, I am sure you soon will have developed a viable plan.

Based on the little I infer from your writing, be sure to pay attention to Commandments 6 and 8.

P. S. Your selection of Chernoble for a name escapes my reasoning.

Thank you Gator and everyone else for your insightful comments.  Its just not that easy for me to see what its really like but I suppose it would not be a fun idea to learn a lesson the hard way.  But why is it Anastasia has been on all the cable news networks w/o the reporters figuring out its a scam?  So what is up with the way Anastasia has this disclaimer on their website promising this special Anti-Fraud policy of theirs where they spent a million bucks to protect you. (If you goto their website and read this policy they have on protecting you from fraud and "verifying" the girls are real and plus they got these tours where they say you can meet these girls in person and taken together it all sounds Very Persuasive!)

Can you or someone else please tell me what you think about this profile on Anastasia?  is it real or scam??
http://www.anastasia-international.com/profile-bikini-mail-order-bride-Marina-1104733.htm

I want to learn I seriously do.  I am very respectful and open-minded and I love learning new cultures and societies and even assimilating to them without a problem if I find the right person I want to spend my life with (and she wants to spend her life with me).  I am more than willing to buy that ticket to goto Ukraine or FSU to meet the girl and her family and show them a great time and how deep my feelings are.  I will of course NOT be doing Western Union or giving her money for a plane ticket (I'd rather pay by check or just send her the First-Class Ticket  )

Oh and just so you know the first time I heard of Ukraine was in school when I learned about that accident at Chernobyl and since then I have read some books on it and find it a fascinating place (theres no other place like it in the world and its the largest nature preserve with some of the rarest animals ever).  If you read Пикник на обочине and watched Сталкер you'll understand what I mean.  I'm sorry if it was unintentionally offensive, I just find that its a very special and unique place for scientific research and as a natural habitat.  And no I don't think I'll find any girls there (at least not my age) 

P.S.  Can you guys recommend me other reputable websites like Elena M?  If you want a locale I am talking about Ukraine and Russia.  I do not care which local city or town the agencies are based in in those countries since I live pretty far away from all of them.  I will fly anywhere for the right girl (I am more than willing to make such a small sacrifice for happiness!)

[HiTech]

chernoble: I have had a profile on Anastasia for almost 1 year, I have not used it in 10 months.

My descriptions now reads on Anastasia.

"I am no longer looking"

I average about 7 women a day contacting me. Why would these women contact me, or could it possibly be just a desire of the agencies to take the piece of the money they get when you read the email?

The only way you can get contact information with Anastasia is to call the women with them, if my memory is correct that will cost you about $70 for a 20 min call , and you can then exchange phone numbers and email address. That is a very expensive way to meet women.

HiTech

[Simoni]

Can you or someone else please tell me what you think about this profile on Anastasia?  is it real or scam??
http://www.anastasia-international.com/profile-bikini-mail-order-bride-Marina-1104733.htm

Anastasia is a scam agency.   Don't use them.

Instead, use an agency where you can have direct contact with a girl.   

You are falling in love with pictures. Girls like the one you displayed above are "10"s and very difficult to "land."  Be more realistic.  And-- go to Ukraine and meet girls in real life instead of looking at pictures.  But even before that, date girls at home, as I advised you in your intro thread.

[Mir]

Chernobyl

I have said it before and I repeat that Anastasia had the best looking girls listed on its site.
Question is: Are they for real? Well let me tell you this, I have browsed the profiles there a few times. No mater what age the girl is, no mater how beautiful she is, a couple of days after I had peeked at her profile a letter from her arrives in my mail box (note that I had made no attempt to contact her). As reading the letter costs credits I have only read a couple and they always say how keen is the lady to know more about me. Needless to say I have never answered the letters and by far the vast majority remain unread. So am I a fool and missing such incredible chances to land some stunners? Maybe, but I don't think so

[Gator]

Chernoble,

You are not reading the 10 commandments other than Number One - do not send money.  The commandments are your friend.  Read them, and if you question any, ask us the question.

Examples of why I know you are not reading them.

Everyone has explained that you should avoid AWeb, yet you persist in wanting more proof about AWeb.  Do you not understand Commandments 3, 4 and 5?  Do you not understand a 11th, unwritten commandment - if several experienced people at RWD are telling me "NO", I should forget about "YES".  There is the 12th Commandment, also unwritten, do not believe the hype that agencies tell you.  It is designed primarily to get your money.

As another example, you are ignoring Commandment 6 - Do not fall in love with photos!!  You admit that you are sexually inexperienced, yet you choose fantasy material in that one woman and you are longing for her.  You write that you are "... more than willing to buy that ticket to goto Ukraine or FSU to meet the girl and her family and show them a great time and how deep my feelings are."  You do not have a relationship until after you meet the woman and both of you decide that you like each other.  

This woman may or may not be a scammer; no one knows such from a photo.  There are hundreds of other RW/UW just like her on other agency sites; however, the point is that you may not be right for this woman and I doubt if she is right for you because of her young age, her lack of education, lack of English, etc.  Plus you can be fairly sure this woman is sexually active unlike you.  You need to find a woman who is intellectual, perhaps even spiritual.  She is educated, speaks English and does not hang her breasts out on web photos nor bleach her hair.

Chernoble, you are young, very young, only 24.  Worse you are 24 going on 18 in many ways.  For sure Commandment 8 applies to you, "Do not rush into this! Take your time and be methodical, not impulsive, about this process."

You say you are sexually inexperienced.  At least you are honest and that will help to develop a viable plan for you.  My question, is your sexual innocence your choosing.  If not, why not?  You need to fix what ails you before playing in an entirely different game.  If you think that just because you are a nice guy, women will love you and make whoopie with you all night.......please don't believe it for your own good.

Before you start writing women, you need to read here some more and decide if you are the man for RW.   When you feel that you are ready, pick an agency.  EM is a large listing agency that facilitates introductions and little else.  Women are from throughout the FSU.  I suggest that you consider Tver Angels (the owner Rvrwnd psots here) in Tver, Russia; or Kherson Girls in Kherson, Ukraine or Cindy Agency in Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine.  Of those three, I have experience only with Cindy.  They will give you logistical support and I believe you will need it.  You could also try First Dream's tour; however, it is more expensive.  Another option is the service offerred by Eduard discussed elsewhere at RWD.  But you are not yet ready for any of this.

[timothe]

P. S. Your selection of Chernoble for a name escapes my reasoning.

Me too.  Chernobyl may have been the most horrible human tragedy since WWII.  Maybe worse than that.  

Back on the RWGuide site, they had a slide show of this woman who was riding a motorcycle in the area.  Her narration and the pictures were really spooky.  I did not know at the time that there are vast areas where life cannot exist because of Chernobyl.  

The Lithuanian girl I met in Chicago lost relatives in Chernobyl.  The name is not at all funny to her and I'll wager it is not funny to many other women who peruse this site, either.  

[Jumper]

the profile?

shes 18, regardless of if she is real, or not..
an 18yo girl listed at anastasia is about a million to one shot of ever becoming your wife.


you seem determined to have hop anastasia is at least "ok"

if THIS is the profile thats driving you to hope they are legit..
its a bad reason for hoping


They have a very poor business model.
it allows a huge possibilty of scam.

plenty of other agencies with better business models,, use them .


as far as personal experience with Anastasia..
mine is long ago.. lol
but likely still relevent.

I had addresses for about 10 RW from there at one time,
Once in the FSU , i checked and only two of those RW were actually single,
 and still living at those addresses.
 Anastasia happly supplied me with "replacement' contacts,
 which in turn turned out to again be about 80 % inaccurate.
additionally my wife never listed with them,
but amazingly they had her profile up for a couple years after we had been married..

by comparison other agencies( both large and small ones )  accuracy was more like 80% accurate.

It was just my rather random personal experiences..
but thats a BIG difference.

while there may be sincere RW on Anastasia,
IMHO its simply not worth al the effort to sort through it,
 when there are better sources for contact info.

add in the fact they have alousy business model ,and its a complete waste.


but if you dwell on some hot blonde 18yo,
there is no doubt you could easily convince yourself that the fact that
SOME RW are indeed real on the site,
 is worthy of paying them , and trying to contact her..

 

[Gator]

Cher,

I again examined your hottie at AWeb.  Listen to AJ - she is 18!!!!  A teenager!!!

Further, this hottie Marina will have "thunder thighs" by the time she is 30.  I assume that is imprtant to you because you have become all hot and bothered over a photo. 

You are not ready.  Study the archives at RWD more, much more.

[BC]

Cher,

I again examined your hottie at AWeb.  Listen to AJ - she is 18!!!!  A teenager!!!

Further, this hottie Marina will have "thunder thighs" by the time she is 30.  I assume that is imprtant to you because you have become all hot and bothered over a photo. 

You are not ready.  Study the archives at RWD more, much more.

18?..  I'm tippin she is already 30.

[Markus]

chernoble,

I used http://bluesapphires.net.  This is a site that pools a bunch of other sites into one site. You can make your searches specific. When I joined the cost was about $150, but that was in 2003. So, I'm sure the cost has gone up. Let me know if you use this site and I can give you a tip after you meet a lady.

Mark

[SANDRO43]

chernoble, I used http://bluesapphires.net.  This is a site that pools a bunch of other sites into one site. You can make your searches specific. When I joined the cost was about $150, but that was in 2003. So, I'm sure the cost has gone up. Let me know if you use this site and I can give you a tip after you meet a lady. Mark

Before you follow this suggestion, better read the first 1.5 pages of http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3070.0, where opinions on this site are slightly controversial .

[Jumper]

timothe-
off topic, (but maybe not in the overall picture of things lol)

That *photo essay* by the girl riding fast on the deserted roads in the chernobyl area ,
was fake.While the photos where *real* enough ,
many where not taken in that area , and the ones that were , were not taken by some adventerous solo  girl riding a bike there,
 the story line was greatly exaggerated and not true.
Similar to a classic scam scenerio ? of some truth,, behind a tangled web of mostly untruths.
 There was a website detailing the actual events of where /how the photos were taken,
and it was actually far more detalied and a little chilling i believe.
*shrugs*

[chernoble]

Yeah I say that "Chernobyl trip" photo essay too.  A little ironic the woman's name is Elena...

Further, this hottie Marina will have "thunder thighs" by the time she is 30.  I assume that is imprtant to you because you have become all hot and bothered over a photo.

LMAO man thanks Gator for that reality check.  Relax guys I was actually slowly losing the illusion and now the only thing I am doing with Anastasia is asking them how to close my account.  I am so glad I did not give them a single ruble for that crap (strange though that they are not in trouble for what their scamming.  I thought the US has laws against this kind of fraud).

Oh and BTW whats the word on Bride24?  That looks likes an interesting site.

I'm checking out blue sapphires and the other sites you mentioned.  The strange thing was I saw a few pictures on the blue sapphire site that looked like the same person on Anastasia but I still find it better than that bad site. 

I'm not quite sure what you mean if I can be the right person to marry RW.  I admit I have difficulty understanding a woman's feelings sometime because I do not really have experience (not by choice) but I do understand the key to making a long lasting relationship work is having common interests and cooperation more than physical attraction (though that also plays a part).  I am seriously considering this and I just want to take the right precautions before stepping over there.

[Lily]

Further, this hottie Marina will have "thunder thighs" by the time she is 30. 

Why do you think so? From the picture, I wouldn't tell that her body has an inclination to swell with age..especially in thigh area..that depends on her genes that we don't know.

[Gator]

Lily,

Why do you think so?

Intuitive factoring of her physical variables supported by vast experience.  At my greatly advanced age I have observed a significant number of young women grow up.  Could I be wrong?  Yes.

Besides, Chernoble needed to be awakened from his dream fantasy.

[chernoble]

Before you start writing women, you need to read here some more and decide if you are the man for RW.   When you feel that you are ready, pick an agency.  EM is a large listing agency that facilitates introductions and little else.  Women are from throughout the FSU.  I suggest that you consider Tver Angels (the owner Rvrwnd psots here) in Tver, Russia; or Kherson Girls in Kherson, Ukraine or Cindy Agency in Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine.  Of those three, I have experience only with Cindy.  They will give you logistical support and I believe you will need it.  You could also try First Dream's tour; however, it is more expensive.  Another option is the service offerred by Eduard discussed elsewhere at RWD.  But you are not yet ready for any of this.

Oh btw Gator why don't you think I'm ready for this?  Life is a learning experience and it is all about risks after all and if I'm afraid of taking a risk now and then life is not worth living isn't it.

Anyway what is it RW want in a man?  I have heard that they are not into fooling around as AW are and want to start families.  That is what I want.  If I only wanted sex there are plenty of ways I could have gotten that if I was interested but I did not do that.  This indecency disgusts me to no small extent.  I do not like how cheap the women in America have become these days sleeping around and not giving a crap about the consequences or feelings involved.  But feelings cannot be bought they must be earned and I still believe once I make a connection and get to know the girl we can see how it develops whether it works out or not at least I tried. 

[BillyB]

Anyway what is it RW want in a man?  I have heard that they are not into fooling around as AW are and want to start families.   

Who told you that? Many Russian men are known for their infidelities when married or sleeping around with as many women who'd have them when they're not married. Guess who their sleeping around with? It's not American women.

Also RW divorce their husbands and they have abortions at a higher rate than AW. As far as RW are geared towards building a family over AW, that could be debatable.

Judge each person as an individual, not as society, culture, agency hype, or, stereotypes will lead you to believe.

Good and bad people in every culture. Be smart and understand how to distinguish which is which when judging each individual.

[Simoni]

Anyway what is it RW want in a man?  I have heard that they are not into fooling around as AW are and want to start families. 

There is no question in my mind whatsoever that fsu girls are more interested in having babies than are american girls.  Whether you want children or not will be a feature in every meeting you have with an fsu girl.

So what you heard is indeed correct.