Ideal Age?

[BillyB]

And that was a woman born in the Ukraine?  One that lived there until adulthood?  Or an American with Ukrainian roots? 

My ex was born in Ukraine and came here as an adult after her relatives sponsored her. She was taking English classes when I met her in 1998. Does that give what I say more credibility with you now? Probably not so why ask?

Ken, if you want to give some examples of the problems in your marriage due to a large age gap, please do but don't tell me I don't have a clue when you won't even say what you've experienced. Even if you are experiencing a bumpy marriage, not everybody will share your experience since you've known only one RW and have no idea on the differences of living with another RW. I've had relationships with 3 FSU women. One from Ukraine, one from Russia, and one from Uzbekistan. All are different women in many ways. One size don't fit all. When it comes to age gaps, it's different for everyone depending on multiple factors that has nothing to do with a "number". It comes down to whether a person is similar with you on goals, values, morals, ethics, religion, maturity, and things you two have in common. There's a whole range of factors involved and must be understood regardless of the age of the person you're dating. Unfortunately most people think age=maturity. It is not the same although it may go hand in hand in many cases and a person's age shouldn't be ignored because it is somewhat of an indicator of a person's maturity. Regardless of age, if you fail to understand or ignore incompatibilities with who you're marrying, you'll be in for a bumpy ride and your marriage will probably fail. That's why I've taken my current relationship slower compared to past relationships. By the time I get married, it'll be close to 3 years of getting to know my woman which time and distance could not separate. I corresponded with hundreds of women to find this one. But do I get more credit than most guys out there for doing my homework? No, I get accused of having no clue about anything lumping me into the same category as one week wonders marrying their woman, who don't speak English within days of knowing them.  :noidea:

[KenC]

My ex was born in Ukraine and came here as an adult after her relatives sponsored her. She was taking English classes when I met her in 1998. Does that give what I say more credibility with you now? Probably not so why ask?

Actually, it does.  I never knew you had this experience.  Now I ask, how long married?  And why did it fail?

Ken, if you want to give some examples of the problems in your marriage due to a large age gap, please do but don't tell me I don't have a clue when you won't even say what you've experienced.

I have given hundreds of examples over the years, pay better attention.

Even if you are experiencing a bumpy marriage, not everybody will share your experience since you've known only one RW and have no idea on the differences of living with another RW.

I have never indicated that my marriage is bumpy and resent the implication.  I have an extended Russian family now for 9 years that does add to my insight.  Not to mention the numerous fsu friends that we have made here over the last 9 years,  No, Billy, I know a lot more than one RW.  Or three.

I've had relationships with 3 FSU women. One from Ukraine, one from Russia, and one from Uzbekistan. All are different women in many ways

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"Relationships"?  Pen pals with an occasional booty run do not really qualify as a real relationship now does it?
 

One size don't fit all. When it comes to age gaps, it's different for everyone depending on multiple factors that has nothing to do with a "number". It comes down to whether a person is similar with you on goals, values, morals, ethics, religion, maturity, and things you two have in common. There's a whole range of factors involved and must be understood regardless of the age of the person you're dating Unfortunately most people think age=maturity. It is not the same although it may go hand in hand in many cases and a person's age shouldn't be ignored because it is somewhat of an indicator of a person's maturity. Regardless of age, if you fail to understand or ignore incompatibilities with who you're marrying, you'll be in for a bumpy ride and your marriage will probably fail. .

This I mostly agree with.

  That's why I've taken my current relationship slower compared to past relationships. By the time I get married, it'll be close to 3 years of getting to know my woman which time and distance could not separate. I corresponded with hundreds of women to find this one. But do I get more credit than most guys out there for doing my homework? No, I get accused of having no clue about anything lumping me into the same category as one week wonders marrying their woman, who don't speak English within days of knowing them.  :noidea:

Oh that's why you took so long?    You get no credit for facing the problems you have yet to face with your current woman. You have yet to go through the acclamation process from ground zero or the trials a tribulations of marrying an immigrant.  Not to mention that this woman has a larger age gap than the other and as you said, everyone is different. (You also get less "credit" as you are so quick to give it to yourself)  Sorry, but emails, phone calls, an occasional visit just doesn't begin to compare with living together.
KenC

[Turboguy]

Billy, good post.  I think you have made some important observations there that many often gloss over.

Ken, Ah, perhaps it is one of those do as I say not do as I do type situations.  Ken, as I have said before, even VWRW doesn't believe her age was not a major factor in my wanting to end up with her even though it wasn't so I won't waste my breath trying to convince anyone else.

[BillyB]

 how long married?  And why did it fail?
 

Married 3 years. It failed for 2 reasons. One is that we married without really knowing what we wanted out of a spouse and I also ignored reds flags. Two is because I told her I won't tolerate the pack bags test anymore. When she wanted to get her way, she would pack her bags so I'd give in. She told me I should be tougher with her like a RM would. When she started to take the kids with her to her parent's house, that really affected me and I told her if she packs her bags again the marriage is over. She did it again and I forgave her and told her then next time is for real. She did it again and this time I kept my word. She regrets her mistake and even tried to reconcile with me but I can't live with her anymore. Believe me, I gave her more chances than what I'd give a woman now. I've had many sit down talks with her on trying to solve the issues and told her her actions aren't healthy for the kids or for me but she is a selfish person when she wants something. I bought her the 2 carat diamond ring and a new Eddie Bauer Ford Expedition she wanted but I didn't get her the new house she wanted and that's when she started to really act up.

Looking at that link Sandro put up, jb mentioned he and his wife doesn't notice their age gap at all. In many large age gap relationships, that's true. Once two people start dating and developing a relationship and even getting married, they've already ACCEPTED the age difference. Of course some RW's motives are that they seek love, a free ticket to a better life, or getting into a man's wallet. Trying to understand a person's motives is extremely important since some people are sincere and some aren't. A person's motives relate to a person's character and that is more important to discover than an age difference.

I probably could never get a date with women like Jazzy or Serebro because I'm over their maximum age limit since I'm 38. Would you ladies really turn me down if you and I were single?    But other ladies their age may have no problems dating a man such as me as I may light their fire more than some goofball 25 yo man who can't hold a job and don't know where he's going in life. Smart women want stability in their lives, not drama. Young men aren't known to be stable and often like to play the field instead of settling down.

Once two people start dating, they either start growing closer or further apart and when you grow further apart, it's usually because you ignored red flags that come back to haunt you or you start to see incompatibilities in your partner that you haven't seen before. Between young and old, there obviously would be more incompatibilities than between young and young and old and old. That's just a fact due to different life experiences and physical abilities of people of different ages.

In my younger day, I use to think it was gross when a beautiful woman went out with a man 10 or more years older than her because she has so many choices so why did she pick an old guy? When seeing those couples on the street, I did judge. I also was jealous because that beautiful woman should be going out with me, a young stud! But now I feel if those two people with large age differences have determined each other to be compatible mentally, physically, etc... and they are happy, then good for them. But I also realize most men do a poor job judging the qualities of a woman when he's focused on a piece of a$$ and women do a poor job judging the qualities of a man when she's focused on a guy's wallet. I would bet those people contribute to the lion's share of broken relationships and divorces.

I ignored ladies ages when writing to them and simply wrote those that I were attracted to physically and based on my intro letter to hundreds of ladies out there, I realized one lady still wrote me back although I was 11 yo above her limits and one lady wrote back who was 4 years older than me and I was 3 years younger than her minimum requirements but something I said or how I looked must appealed to them so they made an exception.

[BC]

If I were to ever 'start over' and decide to go the MOB route instead of tried, tested and trusted primary methods, I would:

1. Do a thorough analysis of intent and expected results.

2. Write a list of requirements before ever viewing profiles.

3. Turn off images when reviewing/selecting interesting profiles.

4.  Start with my age group and work down.

5. Correspond 'sight unseen'.

[Taz]

No offense but your plan wouldn't work for the majority of men. Men are more visual and eye candy is important. Unfortunately most women don't write much of a profile for themselves.

I think it is important though to know what you want, what you need, what you are willing to settle for and in what particular areas you WILL or WON'T compromise.

I have met some women that while I was attracted to them emotionally, I was never attracted to them physically. I personally want and need both areas of attraction. I am not looking for a super model but I will don't want Quasimodo's cousin, Quasimodette either.

Personally I wouldn't be interested in even really corresponding in depth with a woman until I met her anyway. This is where I think the entire letter writing thing is sort of backwards to the normal course of dating. My idea was to make dating with RW as "normal" as possible. I belive it lessens the risk of failure but even a blind squirrel finds a nut from time to time. Look at the WRVW wonders out there.

[I/O]

KenC: Don't waste your breath, I came to the conclusion quite some time ago the most expedient thing to do was lightly but seldom scan most of Billy's theory. His knowledge level was found out for me when he argued black and blue there wasn't any international airports in Russia outside of Moscow and St P.  In a phrase, "Not a clue".

On Topic: Many many years ago when I was just a lad, a wise old man said to me on this subject...........if the boy is less than 25 years, he would be wise to look at girls 90% or his own age or older, beyond 25 years, he can stretch that to 80% of his own age or older. There is an oxymoron in there if you do the maths, but it is not such a bad guide in general terms.

Turbo raised something of a point when he said it may be a case of do as I say, not as I do. Plenty of us fit that description, me included. An age gap relationship is one thing, an age gap marriage is quite another. I think mine and I are becoming stronger by the moment, but is doesn't remove the issues which exist, what it does is allow you to manage them.

Normal young women are normal young women who have a different set of desires and aspirations from more senior women. That is simple reality. Here is one small example the author might consider.........my wife often comes to me regarding clothes, she is slightly conservative in this respect by Russian standards, but she does like the modern youthful things also, she'll ask what I think, 9 times out of 10 I tell her go for it and buy it. She has been constantly amazed at the absence of jealousy or preventive concern on my part. She commented several times that most men who are more senior will struggle with their younger G/F or woman wearing things which are for a generally younger age bracket. My view of it is, she is only young once and should take every advantage of it and enjoy it. Goodness if I don't trust her enough to give her some degree of freedom, then it must be that I don't trust myself.

The is no magic age formula, but the reality is you have got to make it work in the long term, can you? That's the question when choosing age. I've no problem with guys ending up in an age gap relationship, but I do have a problem with guys who set out with that in mind from the get go. They should be "Cut and Shut".

I/O

 

[Serebro]

I probably could never get a date with women like Jazzy or Serebro because I'm over their maximum age limit since I'm 38. Would you ladies really turn me down if you and I were single?    But other ladies their age may have no problems dating a man such as me as I may light their fire more than some goofball 25 yo man who can't hold a job and don't know where he's going in life. Smart women want stability in their lives, not drama. Young men aren't known to be stable and often like to play the field instead of settling down.

why to date Jazzy or Serebro?!
Jazzy has Chubby and Serebro is an emotionally unbalanced drama queen who likes the opera and it's boring.
When I came to the forum I had a TOTALLY different image of my perfect match, the age was up to 50....but a few months that I have spent here changed my opinion, so now it's  10 years difference (max), at the same time there are always exceptions as in real life you will probably not ask the person for her or his ID:)

Would you ladies really turn me down if you and I were single? 

I don't know, it would depend on what you wrote... or told...

Smart women want stability in their lives, not drama. Young men aren't known to be stable and often like to play the field instead of settling down.

According to this forums it looks like there are many men in their 40-ies and even 50-ies who are very irresponsible, unreliable and sexual tourists.
you have told about your 3 women(RW), so how can anyone be sure in providing stability?!
At the same time there are young men who seem to be calmer and even more responsible than...for example(ok, i will not mention the names)and they realize what they want from life, and these people are in their 20-ies...Of course they are not perfect, too, but who is perfect?!!!!!!!!
according to this forum, RWD, it looks like there is no big difference.The only thing that can be different is money and their income... but to me money isn't the main criteria..
I know myself very well, yes, I am very sensitive, I take things too close to heart but I always have phylosophical thoughts about my life and about the meaning of life on the whole I would NEVER be able to live my life that way....there are much better things in my life to devote my life to
well, that's it

[Jet]

According to this forums it looks like there are many men in their 40-ies and even 50-ies who are very irresponsible, unreliable and sexual tourists.
you have told about your 3 women(RW), so how can anyone be sure in providing stability?!
At the same time there are young men who seem to be calmer and even more responsible than...for example(ok, i will not mention the names)and they realize what they want from life, and these people are in their 20-ies...Of course they are not perfect, too, but who is perfect?!!!!!!!!

This is a very good point. Maturity is not always equal to Cronology. When I was a "snot nose" 24 yr old construction superintendent managing half million dollar jobs across 45 states, I had a LOT of guys working for me that were in the 40-55 yr age bracket that were ASTOUNDINGLY immature. I wondered how some of these clowns who supposedly had 20 to 30 years more experience in the field were able to put their own pants on in the morning and keep themselves fed without outside help 

[KenC]

KenC: Don't waste your breath, I came to the conclusion quite some time ago the most expedient thing to do was lightly but seldom scan most of Billy's theory. His knowledge level was found out for me when he argued black and blue there wasn't any international airports in Russia outside of Moscow and St P.  In a phrase, "Not a clue".

On Topic: Many many years ago when I was just a lad, a wise old man said to me on this subject...........if the boy is less than 25 years, he would be wise to look at girls 90% or his own age or older, beyond 25 years, he can stretch that to 80% of his own age or older. There is an oxymoron in there if you do the maths, but it is not such a bad guide in general terms.

Turbo raised something of a point when he said it may be a case of do as I say, not as I do. Plenty of us fit that description, me included. An age gap relationship is one thing, an age gap marriage is quite another. I think mine and I are becoming stronger by the moment, but is doesn't remove the issues which exist, what it does is allow you to manage them.

Normal young women are normal young women who have a different set of desires and aspirations from more senior women. That is simple reality. Here is one small example the author might consider.........my wife often comes to me regarding clothes, she is slightly conservative in this respect by Russian standards, but she does like the modern youthful things also, she'll ask what I think, 9 times out of 10 I tell her go for it and buy it. She has been constantly amazed at the absence of jealousy or preventive concern on my part. She commented several times that most men who are more senior will struggle with their younger G/F or woman wearing things which are for a generally younger age bracket. My view of it is, she is only young once and should take every advantage of it and enjoy it. Goodness if I don't trust her enough to give her some degree of freedom, then it must be that I don't trust myself.

The is no magic age formula, but the reality is you have got to make it work in the long term, can you? That's the question when choosing age. I've no problem with guys ending up in an age gap relationship, but I do have a problem with guys who set out with that in mind from the get go. They should be "Cut and Shut".

I/O

I/O,
I too have a problem with guys purposely looking for just much younger women and not even allowing for the possibility that they might find a good one close to their own age.  Something very wrong with that IMO.

The long and the short of your "trust" issue is that of you cannot trust your woman, you shouldn't be with her.
KenC

[I/O]

The long and the short of your "trust" issue is that of you cannot trust your woman, you shouldn't be with her.
KenC

Precisely...!!!

I/O

[BillyB]

If I were to ever 'start over' and decide to go the MOB route instead of tried, tested and trusted primary methods, I would:

1. Do a thorough analysis of intent and expected results.

2. Write a list of requirements before ever viewing profiles.

3. Turn off images when reviewing/selecting interesting profiles.

4.  Start with my age group and work down.

5. Correspond 'sight unseen'.

What happens when you finally visit the woman and she's 300 pounds and looks like a dog? Nothing wrong with a guy making sure he's physically attracted to the lady(s) before spending any money on correspondence and then through correspondence, make sure she's compatible with him because words in profiles are almost always wrong, especially when an agency writes them. Every woman describes she's classy and elegant and dream of a good man.

KenC: Don't waste your breath, I came to the conclusion quite some time ago the most expedient thing to do was lightly but seldom scan most of Billy's theory. His knowledge level was found out for me when he argued black and blue there wasn't any international airports in Russia outside of Moscow and St P.    In a phrase, "Not a clue".

Sometimes I wonder what's up some poster's a@@ that makes them so stiff? You and others go around and take shots like that, expect no reaction, but get a reaction, then can't handle the reaction, retaliate and escalate the situation, then act confused to why threads are locked, and cry/plead to the moderators that you are simply educating newbies as if they can't read for themselves. This thread is getting derailed and headed for a lock because some feel they need to add unnecessary/insulting comments.

You take my words out of context from a year ago and bring it up now? You are free to start a thread and prove to everyone here where I "supposedly" argued black and blue and where I said there weren't ANY international airports outside Moscow and St.P. WITHOUT taking my words out of context. Send everyone here a link to that thread if it means so much to you. You are also free to post those series of PM's you sent me that showed you were uptight over the issue. Here's a better suggestion: GET OVER IT AND GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE, IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER, YOU'RE MARRIED AND SHOULD HAVE BETTER THINGS TO REMEMBER AND DO THAN TO NITPICK WHAT SOMEONE SAID A YEAR AGO THAT NOBODY GIVES A CRAP ABOUT! So....Was that advice good or bad?

[KenC]

BillyB,
Naw, you got I/O all wrong.  Some of us just get a little tired of people with no practical experience dispensing "wisdom" as though they have.  What is ironic is that when these inexperienced people get called on it, they have to take pot shots to protect their own inflated egos.  And when they do not receive enough admiration from others, they are quite happy to compliment themselves.  Or maybe I am wrong and I/O just thinks "once a fool, always a fool."  :noidea:  But I could be wrong.
KenC

[dneid]

Dneid, is that an A-major chord you're playing ?

Hey, Sandro, good eyes!!  Yes, that is an A Major.  I finger it a little differently for my fat fingers and easier transitions to D Maj.  I was fooling around with a 12 bar blues progression in A and was trying to figure some fills and riffs.  Do you play?

[dneid]

Hey, Guys,
I was not trying to start another age difference thread.  I was just curious as to where the formula came from.  It was more of a point of curiousity for me than anything else.  Since being here on this forum, I have returned to my original idea of looking for a woman is over 30-35 and already has a kid.  The younger lady and I are still corresponding, but it is a more "relaxed" communication now.  I have learned a lot about the Ukrainian culture from her.  Are we going to meet when I go over?  To be honest, yes.  She has made a good arguement to at least meet and see what happens.  Who knows, maybe this could be another KenC/Lena thing?  The one thing about her is that she has never ever raised anything that comes close to a red flag with me.  SO, either she is legitimate or she is a long term scammer.  I guess I will see.  Given the fact that I will be in her backyard, I feel a meeting over coffee and say of sight seeing with her is not an unwise expenditure of time.  Who knows, maybe a great friendship will come out of this.
Sorry to stir up the age difference waters again.  Let's all just get back to exchanging information and enjoying each other's company.  Like Sally Field said "Can't we all get along?"

[Shadow]

  SO, either she is legitimate or she is a long term scammer.  I guess I will see. 

Beware of the long term scammers. Some of them will get engaged to you, and when in the States marry you. And they will continue to scam you for the next 30 years.

[I/O]

THAT NOBODY GIVES A CRAP ABOUT! So....Was that advice good or bad?

Pretty bad I'd suggest because it was falsely based. Obviously a "Crap" is being given because it elicited quite an alarmed response.

You and others go around and take shots like that, expect no reaction, but get a reaction, then can't handle the reaction, retaliate and escalate the situation, then act confused to why threads are locked, and cry/plead to the moderators

Really now? And.....please show me where I complained about threads being locked and please show me where I cried/pleaded with the moderators for my point of view to be upheld? Who said I expected a reaction or no reaction?

Or maybe I am wrong and I/O just thinks "once a fool, always a fool."  :noidea:  But I could be wrong.
KenC

KenC: I haven't proved you wrong too many times yet and I am not about to try on this one.

I/O

[Turboguy]

KenC: Don't waste your breath, I came to the conclusion quite some time ago the most expedient thing to do was lightly but seldom scan most of Billy's theory. His knowledge level was found out for me when he argued black and blue there wasn't any international airports in Russia outside of Moscow and St P.  In a phrase, "Not a clue".

Personally, I think everyone is different and has their strong and week points.   I think we would all do better to accept that and what good each has to offer.   Billy posts a lot of good stuff that helps people, maybe he posted something wrong once, Anyone can do that.  It may just be part of who he is.   AJ makes some grammatical errors but has great info.  That is part of who he is.  jb is very blunt but posts good advice.  It is part of who he is.   I am just suggesting more helpful info and less arguing might do more good than harm.

Turbo raised something of a point when he said it may be a case of do as I say, not as I do. Plenty of us fit that description, me included. An age gap relationship is one thing, an age gap marriage is quite another. I think mine and I are becoming stronger by the moment, but is doesn't remove the issues which exist, what it does is allow you to manage them.

I/O

I/O, would you care to share the age gap issues you have experienced in your new marriage with us.  I keep asking guys this and so far I usually don't get many details.   I think if you can enlighten us it would be a great help to readers at RWD

[I/O]

I/O, would you care to share the age gap issues you have experienced

Turbo: I did exactly that in another thread some time back and you simply chose to tell us how wonderful your Mrs is in all these areas, so frankly, what's the point in individualising these things.

There is danger in giving some dumbarse a checklist which he will mark off and say, yep I am OK, I'll take the plunge. IMO, it is better to simply sound the warning that issues exist and let the punters make up their own minds.

I/O

[Bruce]

Actually, there is a lot of good information on this thread as long as a reader does not get confused by all the noise.  

The chart by Jet is just great.  Naturally, my wife and I have a difficult marriage by it......thats why I like astrological signs better.  Since my wife is a Western Russian I hope the Eastern thing does not apply to us - so far so good.

All Ken C is stating is that until a couple gets married all the correspondence, meetings, phone calls, travel etc. really means squat.............which I have to agree with.  The ball game goes like this:  if you correspond it really is little leagues until you meet; when you meet it really is just A ball until dating for a sufficient time (varies depending upon the individuals and experience - where one is ready to get into the majors); when you marry thats when the major league game really begins and you know you are not getting sent back to the minors when you reach at least a year married in most cases.  

IO - You are one guy who just jumped onto this board one day that I just almost always agree with.  If you say something I disagree with I think long and hard about my position; same with Ken C; BC; JB; Phil, Jet, Dan and a few others.  Simoni, Voyaguer and I usually are spot on in agreement as well.  

Acrzybear sure comes up with good straight information for a guy with limited time overseas.  He was right on with my painting airport fiasco - which unfortunatley, the Russians here were too afraid of the USA government to act.............I guess not worth fighting the battle to convince them for me.

Billly - often a lot of noise.  You have no need to prove anything to anyone.  I suggest you listen and read more than pontificate.  

BC - ok advice for a newbie, but one has to look at the pictures to prioritize visits at some point.  I am sure you would (think about it).

[Turboguy]

Sorry but I don't remember that.   Yes, we have not had any age relatated issues but that does not mean that we won't in the future, that others won't or that every second is perfect but we are both quite happy.

[Jazzyclassy]

    I probably could never get a date with women like Jazzy or Serebro because I'm over their maximum age limit since I'm 38. Would you ladies really turn me down if you and I were single?      

I would turn down, cos for me 38 it is almost  like my father, I know I am not like 18 y.o. but I am not 30 and I am not 28  I feel like my age and I want my partner to be my age, and I have my amazing wonderful hubby. I know how to explain it cos in my family I do not have such age gaps at all, my mom and dad have 2 years age gap, sister and her husband 1 year age gap , for me it is unacceptable , when for Billy's B girlfriend it is normal, why not?

I have very warm relations with my both parents and I see my marriage as a whole stable obvious thing, there  are young girls who have problems with their fathers, or they do not have fathers that is why they strive for a husband - father in their marriage( it is very well known physological item), I do not suffer of such phenomenon, people have different lives and different circumstances so they choose to do it how they think it is right.

[Bruce]

Turbo, forgot to add you to last list of members.  You are one nice guy - period.  One day I really would like to meet you and VWRW.  On this board you made a mistake.  I have learned to forgive you.  You have great experience which I also have to read.  I tend to disagree with a higher portion of your experience than that of the others I listed above.  That does not mean it is necessarily wrong and the majority I do tend to agree with.  Gator, lots of good information from that guy........but sometimes I just disagree as well. 

Jazzy - it is nice to be young.  Be wise to read, think, think some more and post la lot less.

Serebro - best for you to find yourself and move into the it is nice to be young category.  Look in the mirror and learn to actually like yourself.  Read, think and think some more before you post anything please. 

Now, Jazzy and Serebro - you can attack, cry, scream and pontificate dribble all you like.  My points still stand.

Unfortunately, I probably have created more noise to this thread.  I say these things in the hope it helps the less respected posters. 

[Jet]

I know how to explain it cos in my family I do not have such age gaps at all, my mom and dad have 2 years age gap, sister and her husband 1 year age gap , for me it is unacceptable , when for Billy's B girlfriend it is normal, why not?

Everyone has their own tolerance level. Lil and I are 10 yrs different in age. I worried about it being too much, but she didn't. Her Ex was 7 yrs older (incidentally so is mine) Her Mom was 2 years older than her Dad. My Mom is 2 1/2 years younger than my Dad. What does it all mean? who knows...  :noidea:

[Serebro]

Bruce?!!!!!
Did you post in the wrong thread?!
You mentioned people you agree with and disagree with...
I didn't know the thread was about one's best friends on the board...
but thank you for the advice anyway:)