Ideal Age?

[Ravens9273]

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[groovlstk]

A heart can be conquered at anytime. Even the professional chatters on HRB. If you were the right person for that chatter no matter what her intentions were they can be broken down if you were the right guy and even one of these girls can fall in love with a man.

Yes, and there are no doubt a handful of prostitutes in this world who possess the proverbial heart of gold. If your brother was interested in marrying a RW, would you not provide a word of warning to him if he signed up for HRB?

I'd agree that there is a lot of goofy advice to be found here, but I'd also counter that much of it stems from goofy questions like "is she scamming me?" or "how can I tell if she's sincere?" Socially inept men ask such questions, and socially inept men answer them.

It's not a difficult feat to get engaged or even married to an FSU woman. Hell, before I met my wife there were a number of FSU girls I dated who would have eagerly accepted my marriage proposal. Ravens, if I read your TR correctly, you married a woman you spent three days of face-time with. If that's correct, you're way, way ahead of yourself in crowing about "success." While I genuinely hope that you will remain married to this girl for the rest of your lives, you've cleared only the lowest of hurdles so far.

[dneid]

OK.  I am going jump back in here.  The intent of my original post was not to seek guidance on what would be an ideal age for me or for anyone else.  I am an adult and a fairly intelligent individual.  I can investigate a woman on my own.  As has been mentioned by several in this thread, it all comes down to the individuals involved in a relationship and how well they mesh.

The intent of my original post was to understand the source for the "formula" of ideal age = [(my age)/2] + 7.  That is all I was asking.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Just a curious engineer wondering what the source was.

However, I will admit that I enjoyed reading the thread overall and got some great tid bits.

[Ravens9273]

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[I/O]

I know myself we will be very happy together for a lifetime.

Ravens: You mention love, dare I say even a miserable ol' bastard like me is capable of that elusive emotion. You hope, you believe, you intend to be happy together for a lifetime, but you DO NOT know. Nobody does and that is where everyone is NOT so different. The everyone is different line is the original avoidance of reality line we see so very often on these forums.

I've learned a little over time and one of the things which stands out is that yes everyone is different, every situation is different and every Russian Woman is different, but NOT VERY different. Whether you like it or not, you WILL find many of the things the OMB's talk about here WILL apply to you and yours when you are together in your country.

Your logic eludes me somewhat in so far as you say RWD is largely nonsense, you say you were only looking for visa advice (Which I assume you have gotten) and nothing else is important here because everyone is different, if this is so, why do you continue to read and post as you have above. Your post reads like something of a "Good luck you fools, I don't need you anymore" statement, however something in me suggests you are just a tiny bit interested in the opinions of those who have gone before you, way way before you I might add and this in turn suggests you have something deep down in you telling you that perhaps, just maybe you do have a bit to learn and could use some advice. Believe me, you do have much to learn if you haven't lived for an extended period with a RW in your home. Further you will learn that you have much to learn after she is living in your home, she will tell you exactly that quite often LOL.  You might think about the implications of that long and hard before she "Arrives to you".

I/O

[catzenmouse]

Excellent post I/O!

That is EXACTLY why I am still around here. AND why I get a little frustrated with the ulterior motives that come from folks who have great information to share but at times results to crowing their success and/or belittling others who do not follow along in the church of their opinions.

Ken

Ravens: You mention love, dare I say even a miserable ol' bastard like me is capable of that elusive emotion. You hope, you believe, you intend to be happy together for a lifetime, but you DO NOT know. Nobody does and that is where everyone is NOT so different. The everyone is different line is the original avoidance of reality line we see so very often on these forums.

I've learned a little over time and one of the things which stands out is that yes everyone is different, every situation is different and every Russian Woman is different, but NOT VERY different. Whether you like it or not, you WILL find many of the things the OMB's talk about here WILL apply to you and yours when you are together in your country.

Your logic eludes me somewhat in so far as you say RWD is largely nonsense, you say you were only looking for visa advice (Which I assume you have gotten) and nothing else is important here because everyone is different, if this is so, why do you continue to read and post as you have above. Your post reads like something of a "Good luck you fools, I don't need you anymore" statement, however something in me suggests you are just a tiny bit interested in the opinions of those who have gone before you, way way before you I might add and this in turn suggests you have something deep down in you telling you that perhaps, just maybe you do have a bit to learn and could use some advice. Believe me, you do have much to learn if you haven't lived for an extended period with a RW in your home. Further you will learn that you have much to learn after she is living in your home, she will tell you exactly that quite often LOL.  You might think about the implications of that long and hard before she "Arrives to you".

I/O

[Gator]

I/O,

I enjoyed your post.  Too bad Ravens ran for cover after crowing so much (excuse the pun).  Let us hope he does not have to eat crow.  (oooh, sorry again).



Ravens (in case you are still reading),

You had an invigorated stream of consciousness, and now you delete it.

Be a man!  

You boast that you do not read the posts, and somewhere you missed the clue that RW respect strong men.

I read what you wrote and thought....well, you are gone so who cares what I thought.

I wish you well.

[Ravens9273]

Actually I took my posts down because they were directed towards an individual here who I remember from a previous forum who without a doubt THINKS they know it all. Somehow I did not express this properly and others commented.
Yet I know many are sicken by the fact this person always acts as if their word is the LAW.
To put is simply I fully agree with KenC and I/O.

This one person has to realize they do not know it all. Their method will not work for others. They do not know every women and situation to always comment the way they do and somehow always this person is in the middle of every disagreement on the forums that does not have to do with agency owners.
Basically what my post was meant to say is this individual needs to finally acknowledge their lack there of and quit trying to push their beliefs on everyone else. If I was one stupid enough to listen I would have been in a completely different situation then I am and feel he is robbing more people out of happiness then protecting them.
I was directing my experience to the fact that I did basically all the opposites of what they say and came out a success.

However it was my error how I chose to approach this. I tried in a manor to avoid getting into another pissing match with someone who seems to feed off of them yet comments they do not. (just makes you wonder why then they are in so many) For this I apologize to the rest. My comments were not directed towards anyone here but 1 person

Yet once again I fully agree with KenC and I/O.

[jb]

Somehow, some way, it's all my fault.

[catzenmouse]

Somehow, some way, it's all my fault.

Bad JB! Bad! No more Ruski Standart for you.. for at least the next 4 hours... 

[KenC]

Actually the sh!tstorm didn't start because of what I said but a remark I/O said. Our business was done KenC. But to deflect attention away from themselves, some thought to bring back what I said and claim I was giving marriage advice when there is no mention of marriage in my post. dneid was trying to get a read on age before he enters into a relationship, not what is or isn't acceptable during marriage.

Debate lesson #235: Before telling others to get a clue, it's best to get a clue of the background of the person you're talking to.

Debate lesson #867: If a poster, that's keeping on topic pertaining to "age", says   "If a relationship with a large age gap is to be successful, then both people need to be comfortable with it to the point it isn't discussed on a regular basis." and you don't think he's correct and whether or not you know or don't know he's been through 3 relationships with RW, then you tell counter his argument and say your experience with one RW you've had a relationship with for X amount of years does not tell you the same thing and two people comfortable with age gaps does not contribute in any amount or even harms a relationship.

This can be so easy! Attack the message, not the messenger. The readership can make up their mind who's sounds more logical and there won't be an additional 5-10 pages of bickering over marriage advice that never was in this thread or others. I don't feel a need to defend what I wrote but I'm getting tired of people twisting my words.

Well Billy,
Your ultimate goal may be just to have a relationship with a RW whereas most here think that marriage is the target.  I guess you are already a success then.   Picking the ideal age for marriage and in reference to a wife is just what everyone else here references.  Forgive me for thinking you were normal.

As for me only knowing one RW well, I have told this before and may not again, so write it down, OK?  I AM Russian!  My mother is Russian, my two sisters are Russian, both my grandmothers were Russian, Aunts, great aunts ..............   I also have been part of a second Russian family for nine years!!!!!!!!  My mother in law just may qualify as a RW, I dunno, whaddya think?

Truth of the matter is stick to what you know, Billy boy and you don't know squat about bringing a RW to this country yet.  You have no clue as to how your girlfriend will or will not react once she is in this country.  You do not know squat about how she might react when a store clerk turns her nose up to her because she has a Russian accent  or that she is with you.  You can guess, but you just don't friggen know.
KenC

[Jet]

Actually the sh!tstorm didn't start because of what I said but a remark I/O said.

As I read it, the whole uproar was over this:

KenC: Don't waste your breath, I came to the conclusion quite some time ago the most expedient thing to do was lightly but seldom scan most of Billy's theory. His knowledge level was found out for me when he argued black and blue there wasn't any international airports in Russia outside of Moscow and St P.  In a phrase, "Not a clue".

The thread referenced in the above quote is here:
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3650.msg67576#msg67576

No question that Billy asserted there were no int'l airports THAT HE KNEW OF. I/O quickly corrected him.
Billy made one more post to explain his circumstance and that there were no westbound flights out of any major US city. (Which is TRUE, though irrelevant to the Aussies)
Then I/O suggest the off topic conversation be dropped.

Now, I'm convinced that Billy made a lame-duck post a year ago, SO FRIGGIN' WHAT? Nearly all of us have at some point or another, myself included. But to blow that lame post into when he argued black and blue there wasn't any... pretty much justifies Billy's response in my mind. I've argued "black and blue" on these boards, and I've seen others argue "black and blue". A post / a correction / a justification / and a suggestion to drop it (4 comments total) falls wayyyy short of "black and blue".

The way I see it, I/O set some bait out for Billy in this thread, and when Billy refused to bite, it pissed I/O off. Anyone else see it differently?

[Jumper]

Billy said

Who here has not had a failed marriage?

Luckily I havn't ,
 but would agree when you say most have ..
just how it is..

*shrugs*

[Jumper]

hey jet-

i'm way past caring who starts these usual flame outs lately LOL
where they originated months ago..or if they all like each other.

its mostly tiring to read with occasional hints at jerry springer style entertainment?
just sayin! lol

[BillyB]

But to blow that lame post into when he argued black and blue there wasn't any... pretty much justifies Billy's response in my mind. I've argued "black and blue" on these boards, and I've seen others argue "black and blue". A post / a correction / a justification / and a suggestion to drop it (4 comments total) falls wayyyy short of "black and blue".

You mean an advocate for integrity lied when he said I was arguing black and blue? A tear runs down my cheek.

Jet, you must be good with the search engine to find what's said that far back. It wasn't necessary but hat's off to you for trying to get to the truth.  It's best we all move on and fix a little bit of ourselves before getting back to fixing others.

[KenC]

Billy,
You did more than your fair share of provoking this too.  You make comments like you are up in an ivory tower and you are as guilty or more so than those you insult.  Back in this thread I showed you where you were a hypocrite in the same paragraph.  Much of the problems in this thread are a result of your "holier than thou" attitude.
KenC

[Photo Guy]

Yawn.

[BillyB]

Ken, I could have earlier pulled up the posts Jet did and have more of a personal "in your face" attitude. I didn't. I have instead been trying to give you guys clues about your actions of late. With the exception of this thread, I have not been part of the fighting for the last few weeks. It's always been "you guys" vs. __________(insert name). You may have been satisfied if I tucked my tail between the legs and eat the sh!t you guys deliver and things would have been more quiet around here but I didn't eat the sh!t because like most people, I don't like the taste. The fact now you accuse me being more guilty than you is ridiculous. I'm not insecure about what I say and I did not feel the need to debate what I said in this thread or what was claimed I said a year ago. My "focus" has been trying to get certain people to realize their attitudes and actions of late are not appreciated. I clearly understand that by doing this, I may be placed on someone's sh!tlist but it's a small price to pay for the benefit of all.

I'm a firm believer if we scare off the readership, we have failed them and instead they may get their education from AWeb agency hype. Most are not actually "scared" but soured. They stumble on a thread like this polluted with quarrels or write something another poster doesn't like and get a series of PM's fired at them like I/O did with me and they start to question if it's beneficial to obtain quality information from people who act like children. Probably not so they leave.

[I/O]

The way I see it, I/O set some bait out for Billy in this thread, and when Billy refused to bite, it pissed I/O off. Anyone else see it differently?

Jet: Yes I see it very differently.

1) No bait was set. There was no intention to set a bait.

2) I am quite amused and certainly not pissed off.

3) Billy wrote no less than 4 PM's trying to justify his case over the airport thing and it is this reason and this reason alone that it stuck in my memory. I've never received 4 such animated PM's from anyone on any forum, ever. Bottom line was, he didn't know and changed (Publically) tack when called, to try to justify erroneous information.

4) Go back and read what I wrote...........it went something like, I learned to seldom scan his posts and so on.............FFS how simple is that? I didn't say they were completely worthless, I never said he knew nothing, I simply said he posts way outside his experience level and as such I simply scan and pass over most of his wafflings. Later in the thread I confirmed KenC's remark that I think he has no clue as to how it will be when he gets his G/F home.

5) The man argued black and blue, no question about that. I DID NOT say he did so on the public board.

One can claim justification for Billy's posts until doomsday, but the reality remains, often speaking outside his realm of experience and as such often makes silly posts. The man has plenty to offer and for example if it came to travelling the "Stans, he might well be the first I'd go to for information, but he ain't got his girlfriend home yet. I pointed out to KenC he was wasting his breath because this guy simply won't listen to anyone, he seems to believe he is the be all and end all on ALL topics. One thing is for sure, none of us are.

Somehow, some way, it's all my fault.

JB: I have reason to think you were not the intended subject of Ravens now deleted post. I suspect he was being a touch sarcastic.

Billy: Any truth in the story that the recently posted photos of you and your G/F are the same girl as of about 3 years ago? Simple yes or no will do thanks.

"you guys" vs. __________(

Geez KenC, we'll have to stop exchanging all those PM's around our "Clique" before we single out the next poor well meaning poster for a totally unfair working over. It's all your fault you bully, you talked me into it in all those "PM's". How many is that now? 5 in 18 months? Or was it 4............. :noidea: :noidea: I got 4 from another member in one night and I'm sure as hell NOT in his "clique".

Anyway, there is enough hung up there now for the readers to make up their own minds and it has been highlighted enough that hopefully the freshmen might just measure off opinions/advices against actual experience before they jump into the dirty barrel.

I/O

[Jazzyclassy]

Both sides look ridiculous here and you really do scare people from reading this forum by your old arguments: who knows the best , who is successful and who is more russian and knows russian soul, you know nothing about russian soul I 'd tell ya by what I can ready here

[BillyB]

I/O, you are free to post my PM's in response to yours and don't forget to post your PM's in it's entirety. He say/she say doesn't fly. Let others be the judge on who was turning black and blue....if this issue is still important to you.

I/O, who's spreading the rumors, I assume in PM's, about my girl's recent photos being the same as another woman's 3 years ago?

[Shadow]

Both sides look ridiculous here and you really do scare people from reading this forum by your old arguments: who knows the best , who is successful and who is more russian and knows russian soul, you know nothing about russian soul I 'd tell ya by what I can ready here

Jazzy as KenC is Russian he knows all about Russian souls. 

[I/O]

I/O, who's spreading the rumors, I assume in PM's, about my girl's recent photos being the same as another woman's 3 years ago?

Never assume anything, because mostly assumptions are misplaced. The question remains?

I/O

[BillyB]

I'll tell you what you can assume I/O, if you and your fellow lowlifes are crafting a story about my fiancee behind PM's to imply she's another woman of poor character, you will see me get ugly. Do you understand you ARE crossing the line?

[I/O]

I'll tell you what you can assume I/O, if you and your fellow lowlifes are crafting a story about my fiancee behind PM's to imply she's another woman of poor character, you will see me get ugly. Do you understand you ARE crossing the line?

Billy Billy, settle down....a simple question was asked and you have resorted to calling me a lowlife in response to that question. Rather a fall from those lofty heights of a few posts back wouldn't you say? I gave you a civil, fair and decent opportunity to answer with yes or no and that would put it to rest for good and all. Nobody is casting any dispersions on the character of your G/F, goodness knows enough others play that game here and go unchecked.

I/O