Hot Russian Brides busted!

[Jack]

Don't know how many of you saw it on TV last night but the TV show A Current Affair busted the agency Hot Russian Brides.

Seems the reporter went to the site, sign-up and listed his height at 0 inchs, weight at 0 pounds and sent in a photo of his blue truck. He said within an hour he was getting e-mails from hot Russian women who had read his profile and they thought they were a good match for him and were very interested in him. One of the women posting as a Russian woman was really an American woman who has a porn site on the web. As well one of the other ladies was found to have some three or four other different names, lived in various cities. When the reporter called the agency and told them what had happened they quickly claimed it was an isolated incident and would never happen again.

Wonder if this getting busted was mentioned on any sites where HRB is a paying advertisor?

[Maxx]

The one I look at has not yet mentioned the program. There has been 23 posts about HRB and many of them are critical. However HRB remains as a paying advertiser.

Maxx

[Kevin]

Jack (Movie star)

How did you manage to get on the show?  I need to send you a banner from my office to hang in your office wall.   

It was so typical of the Russian bride sites owner to claim it was a computer glitch. 

Kevin

 

 

[Landscaper]

Have you guys heard about this other agency that anono said he busted?

I think all this crap should be exposed on every site where these agencies are allowed to advertise!

[Bruce]

Dan - It is quite obvious this "Landscaper" is a troll.   I recommend deleting the above post because it appears to incriminate two other posters on this board without any evidence to support it.

[Bruno]

Dan - It is quite obvious this "Landscaper" is a troll.   I recommend deleting the above post because it appears to incriminate two other posters on this board without any evidence to support it.

A troll ??? Only 5 post from the 13 april ... and other post was not specialy attack... and he refert to post from anomo...

I know that several people here are not impartial because they know each other personaly and are friend... but delete the post is not a solution... in place of this, why not ask him evidence, prove ... if he is able to prove his point of view, people go understand that this post is not valid... delete it now is only prove that people fear that the true come to the light...

If someone attack my "agency", i start a discussion and try to prove that i am right... delete post only prove that these forum is under the control from some agency owner... it is not the first time that we speak against some agency and it is not because some owner are member of RWD that they are imune to this...

A troll,... why not ban him... it seem to be in the mode these month... Where is the free speech beloved when Dan have invit me here... Why not allow Jack to make first his reply... unfortunaly, Anomo is not more a member here and cannot explain the meaning over his own text quoted...

 

 

[ConnerVT]

Well, obviously Dan felt that the post was out of line.  I agree with him (and Bruce).

Anyone can post accusations.  But they need to be backed up.

[anono]

i am going to resurface and address this little misunderstanding.

once upon a time, jack had a client i'll call "blue". i heard about this guy last year on a prior trip. i met him this last trip but didn't put 2 and 2 together for awhile. i didn't know this was the guy rostick had told me about. without going into detail and to protect the privacy of others, all i will say is the story about rostick "romancing" men by pretending to be a woman was a fabrication. i did say at the time it was hearsay, if not double hearsay. i should have simply asked rostick about it before posting anything.

[Jack]

ohh,nooo, this is not the reply landscaper and his two buddies was wanting to see!

 

[Jack]

Maxx, this Russian discussion board your aware of where Hot Russian Brides is a paying advertisor, has anything been said yet about them getting busted? 

I imagine that the discussion board your referring to is there for the purpose of helping men and making them aware of scam agencies so I am curious as to if nothing has been said about HRB getting busted, why is that?

[Jet]

I took a peek and saw nothing listed in the "scams" section at this time.

If y'all are really concerned about inpropriety why not cross post the same info there? I see at least a dozen faces that frequent both boards, so why not cut and paste? What's the worst that could happen... If suspicions are correct it will be deleted and you'll have your proof, if suspicions are incorrect, it will stand and might just help a few other guys .

Say what you want about Spencer, but he's never been a "1 strike" and you're out kinda guy to my knowledge, so I seriously doubt anyone would get suspended or banned over bringing this info to light.

 

[Jack]

Jet, how about no strikes and your out!!! 

Every month more guys are learning of a Russian discussion board, RWD, where the can get the straight scoop on all agencies, the good and the bad, without certain paying advertising agencies having negative things removed or not allowing negative things to be said.

Once a long time ago I posted information on a discussion board, information that could easily be proven, as to a scam by a certain agency. All that information, for some reason, information that could be proven, was removed. Now how I ask was the public's best interest served by doing that? Why should men not be made aware of scamming going on by certain agencies? Why would the owner or owners of that discussion board want to remove such damaging information regarding scamming if that board main focus was to share all general knowledge regarding the pursuit for a Russian bride.

[anono]

i was banned from RWG simply for standing up to stupid comments made by cameragurl. every time i posted anything positive about jack or anything to do with the excellent logistical support he still provides to me, i was attacked by cameragurl and other "moderators" at RWG. they simply had it in for jack and anyone who says anything good about his agency or logisitical support. not only is his logistical support oustanding, but his advice is priceless. i will stand by this statement as i have for over two years now.

even with that, as evidenced by the post that started some of this (my post about rostick) you should see i am still objective and able to post in an unbiased way about people i like.  hell, if i fock up, i'll admit it, try to improve it and not make the same mistake again. i posted what i had heard without looking into it. after lookng into it and finding out the facts, i saw that blue was not being truthful. end of story.

the only real mistake you make is the one you do not learn anything from.

[Jet]

OK we'll see...

I've cross posted your commentary, giving you credit as the author, and added a link to the "A Current Affair" website link to a text version of the story you mention. It can be found here: http://www.rwguide.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=232375#232375

So, we'll see if it stays up or not...

For those that don't wish to patronize the other site, the story link is here:

http://www.acurrentaffair.com/showdetail.php?eid=110

[Bruce]

So what happened?  Is Jet's word good enough to keep something up on that site?  I can not access that particular site to see.

[Turboguy]

It is up as of right now Bruce.   I am sure they are aware of it and my guess is it will stay but we shall see.

[BC]

the scams section is the least read section of that board. has had a few 'views' but probably from us here wondering what will happen

[Jack]

I'm curious, has the owner or mangement of Hot Russian Brides (HRB) commented on them getting busted?  Have any previous guys who have praised HRB commented on HRB getting busted?

[Maxx]

It has been read 257 times so far with zero comments. There are 6 threads above it. 

I tend to view this kind of stuff (scamming men for money) as small potatos compared to the network of criminality that RW sometimes involve themselves with once they get here. Often times with the help of an agency. It is here where the big trouble starts. As example I am e-mailing back and forth a RW attorney who is preparing a case on an obvious false DV rape charge. I won't get into the details why it is obvious a false charge. Her client is likely facing a 20 year prison sentence because according to the attorney these cases are not fairly heard.

A certain poster above got on my bad side when he posted this on another board

   

You know I've "been there" since before you've been here, and what happened in your case, should not happen to anyone. However, when you look at the greater good (and it is all a numbers game to those in washington) it's hard to say that saving one guy from false charges is better than saving a thousand women from getting the sh!t kicked out of them , daily. (disclaimer - the aforementioned are arbitrary numbers, as I'm too lazy to look up the actual stats at the moment )

When I read this I wondered who else is was willing to compromise their values there (such as the right to a fair trial) for expediencies sake or for selfishness sake?

So getting in bed with advertisers is just another aspect of necessary compromise for the "greater good of the many". Without the advertising dollars no board, no posting of threads and messages and no education.

Maxx

[Jack]

whoaaa Maxx, 257 replies and not one comment!  Very strange. I would think the  owners of HRB have read the post. Seems they would want to set the record straight on how so many women will write a man who they say they read his profile, they like the way he looks and think they would make a great couple when in reality the guy was less than 1 inchs tall and sent a photo of his blue truck. Just how do so many women make this same mistake?  They DON'T. It's called SCAM!  No other way to sugar-coat it. And then having American women who are part of the site pretending to be Russian women!!!!!, Whose screening their clients? To have women on this site writing men who are using 3-4 other different names, to have women telling this guy how handsome he is, when he's a truck!

Their has been a lot of negative things said about this HRB for several months, they just got caught. I don't know what Russian discussion site is receiving advertising dollars from this scam agency but I would have to wonder how they could continue to support or recommend any agency who is guilty of such scamming.

Maxx, their are MANY good Russian discussion boards out there who do not receive advertising dollars from agencies and these sites are very educational and help men. Their are many Russian discussion boards that are "not for profit". When you are a "for profit" discussion board you have to keep those advertisor's happy and they are not happy if bad things are posted about them    St. John's RWL, Planet-Love, RWD, RWL Yahoo, RW-X2, are a few of the many good sites who do not accept advertising dollars. How are they able to continue to provide good and trusted service? In fact I wonder how bias and fair a Russian Discussion board can be when bad things, but things that can be proven, are said about a certain advertisor and those things are quickly removed or moderators quickly try to paint a different picture and many times trying to dis-credit the person making the valid post.

 

[jb]

Frankly, I 'm not too surprised at the lack of response.  Most of the newbies are stuck in the MOB fantasy, and believe in the "it will never happen to me" philosophy.   Bad things happen to good people all the time, but it's always a shock when the victim is you. The fact that it does happen frequently should not be discounted, or denigrated.  This will, imho, double the whammy on the buying public if the board's management is taking money from advertisers and gives a scam story the old "Ho - Hum", or the, "this is old hat" stuff treatment because the victim could have so easily been warned.

In addition to other issues, this was one of the major reasons I got cross-threaded with Spencer over on the RWG.  In my last communication with him I stated that I don't think it served anyone's best interest to sweep the bad aspects of the MOB industry under the rug, and to merely give "high octane atta-boys" to men who were train wrecks looking for a place to happen.

But then we shouldn't ever let the truth get in the way of making a dollar, should we?

[Maxx]

Elena Petrova's agency "Elena's Models" is an advertiser on that site.

See what she says about the possibility of an immigration scams being done on American men. To me it is humorous in the degree of reaching she does to make her case.  

By Elena Petrova
Immigration scams: ARE YOU AT RISK?

Any - and I mean it! - ANY MAN who even remotely considers the idea of marrying a Russian woman will face the question of immigration scams. By "facing the question of immigration scams" I mean worrying about the possibility that a woman will marry him with the only purpose of gaining residence to his country, and will divorce him soon after the marriage.
How grounded is this worry? General opinion is that the danger of an immigration scam is high in marriages with foreign women. Try to share the idea of finding a marriage partner abroad with your family and friends, and everyone will think you are nuts and are setting yourself up to become an immigration vehicle for a cunning Russian girl.

Is it true that there are many Russian women that will marry a man only for the purpose of immigration? Why does such an opinion persist among the general public? How common are immigration scams in marriages with Russian women?

First of all, let's find out where one gets all those ideas about scams in marriages with foreign women. Did you have any friends, family members or colleagues that married Russian women and fell victims of immigration scams? Most likely, NO! So your ideas about high probability of immigration scams in marriages with foreign women are, most often, based on what you have read, heard or seen in the Media -- and of course you know what makes the news and what's not: When was the last time you have seen a "happily ever after" fairy tale on the front page of a newspaper? Scandals, murders, and scams make the news; happy marriages don't. In the USA alone it's about four to six thousand men that marry foreign women every year; how many scandal stories you hear for the same period of time? Apparently, if immigration scams in marriages with foreign women were indeed such a problem, you would have heard horror stories much more often, and, eventually, your government would do something about it.

In fact, it is NOT so many Russian women that seek somebody abroad with the only purpose to use marriage as the means to immigrate to the USA or any other country. It is only women who are absolutely desperate that would contemplate such a marriage, and those women are seldom objects of desire for any man.

A woman that is desired by a foreign man is usually a woman who can exercise some choice among her suitors, and she would rather select a mate who is suitable for her than just marry anybody: once she is in a foreign country, and divorced from her husband, what will she do? Live a lonely life of an immigrant - a person of "second sort", struggling to make ends meet, without any connections, family and friends, having to look for a new love partner - does this prospective looks any brighter to you than a prospective of having a loving happy marriage and stable life? Apparently, finding a suitable mate will take much less time for a woman in Russia than the process of going through marriage to an unsuitable mate, following immigration and divorce, and settling in her new single life. Do you think Russian women are all crazy masochists? Any reasonable human being would prefer to receive "the full package" including love and stability, without the need to go through unnecessary pain and change. It is simply unrealistic to think many Russian women would prefer to contemplate an immigration scam, i.e. marrying a man with the only purpose of immigration and subsequent divorce, rather than marrying for love and receiving "the full package". All human beings are made in the same way: we all want to be happy and do not want to suffer. Russian women are no different.

So the cases of real immigration scams should be rare among Russian women marrying foreign men, I mean the cases where women initially intended to divorce their husbands after the immigration, before even being married to them. Try to picture yourself in a relationship with somebody you don't like, and spending 1-2-3 years of your life in such a situation, would you willingly select such a fate, when you could be involved with somebody you really like and receive the same benefits? This is why I say that it is only a desperate person who would decide on an immigration scam, the person who cannot exercise any choice. And the reason why she does not have any choice is because no one wants her. So, by selecting an attractive woman to start a relationship with and competing for their attention with other suitors, men in a great extent secure themselves against desperate persons. Therefore, the explicit type of immigration scams where a person starts a relationship with somebody only to gain permanent residence to a western country is not that common in marriages with Russian women.

To me this is self serving propaganda to promote her agency. Her reasoning is so absurd that it is laughable. Of course she is going to play down this possibility as it would not be good for her business.

So these are the kind of people involved. Do they have influence there? In all fairness I do not see it.

Take for example myself. My thread "Divorcing my RW wife" has been read 17,932 times (the large number attracts views in it's self). It is not a comforting thread for this business. It is an ugly story that cannot possibily have a positive effect for selling advertising on that site. It was locked (because of squabbling) and has drifted out of sight and is now at the bottom of page six. Spencer has offered to me in private PM to unlock the thread and let it float to the top. How could this possibly help his business? It is in direct conflict with Elena Petrova and all the other advertisers. Yet he would do it if I asked him to.

As far a HRB. I know that often times it is difficult to maintain perfect standards with operations in the FSU. As examples office managers and interpreters will take it upon themselves to send bogus letters and work scams to make some additional money under the table from the lady clients. Does an entire agency get shut down or lose it's advertising rights because of this? Or are they given time to clean house?

This whole MOB business is complicated and running a message board is equally so. My hat is off to both Spenser and Dan.


Maxx 

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[jb]

Unfortunately, Maxx, the last paragraph of Elena Petrova post discribes your situation with Elvira almost perfectly.  She was willing to prostitute herself for the benefits regardless of the cost to herself.  In my view this makes her a very bad person.

I think you should consider releasing the storyline on the RWG, just to make sure it gets read more often.  There's a wealth of wisdom from such a negative story, it should be a required read by all newbie's

[Jet]

You know I've "been there" since before you've been here, and what happened in your case, should not happen to anyone. However, when you look at the greater good (and it is all a numbers game to those in washington) it's hard to say that saving one guy from false charges is better than saving a thousand women from getting the sh!t kicked out of them , daily. (disclaimer - the aforementioned are arbitrary numbers, as I'm too lazy to look up the actual stats at the moment )

[/quote]
 

I knew I said something to piss you off, but was never really sure what it might have been :?. Funny part about the quote above is that when I wrote it, the point I was trying to drive home was the part that's NOT currently in bold print. If the comment made you angry, I appologise, but the fact is, thats how our lawmakers think. N.O.W. and other organizations like it spend millions of dollars a year to make sure the lawmakers keep thinking that way. The men, from what I've seen, pretty much just come to message boards and bitch about the lack of fairness to - well, other men...

[Maxx]

JB

I held back from doing so because I want to write and add an introduction to it. It is not fair to that board or to some RW the conclusions some people (lurkers usually) might make when reading the story. It needs balance and frankly I have be struggling to find the right balance with this subject as well. So in the right time.

Maxx