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[Bruno]

What language is this ( in red ) ? Do you use a russian keyboard ? :D:D

[ConnerVT]

What language is this ( in red ) ? Do you use a russian keyboard ? :D:D

 

IRCese (also known as Chatroom Speak).

If It Works, Don't F#(! With It. 

[Admin]

About jump to rash conclusion, i am not alone... you have think that you was banned from other forum, you have think that the other forum go start a lawsuit against you.... maybe we are both to much emotional :?:cool:

Bruno, there is a HUUUUGE difference. On the other board, there was open discussion of banning - it did not come from my imagination. On the other board, Fiorella made on open threat of legal action. I did not imagine it.

On THIS board, you, Fiorella, Elen, and numerous others constantly talk about being banned - almost as if you (and they) know that the posts are near (or crossing) the line of what should be acceptable. There have been very few people banned - and then, only when there was clear and demonstrable evidence they had no purpose here except to cause trouble.

Now - having said all that, there is a difference in my attitude as a result of these past few months. Here it is:

I will edit and/or delete and/or suspend and/or ban ANY posts I wish. I will do it at any time and for any reason. If I am in a bad mood, or suddenly feel that things have gotten out-of-hand, I may make those decisions for what seems like no reason whatsoever. If ANYONE feels I am too harsh, or too lenient, or too capricious, or too anything - they are invited to find the 'door.' If ANYONE begins to complain about my moderation, I will consider it whining and not in the best interests of the board and will have zero tolerance for any of it.

RWD is NOT an open democratic community. Members are here as my guests. Like any hosting of guests, I pledge to treat everyone with respect and will do what I am able to encourage an open and honest and vigorous exchange of ideas. If/when someone abuses the opportunity to play nicely with all my other guests, I *may* ask them to control themselves - I *may* ask them to leave - or I *may* take more rash action. I make no pledge to action within any prescribed timeframe, or on behalf of anyone.

Bruno - you are welcome here. You have always been someone whom I value. You have NEVER been banned - not even for a single second - any conclusion you drew to that effect was a rash assumption.

Welcome back.

- Dan

[Jack]

Jet, so if you had a Russian discussion board you would be the type owner who would ban someone with no warning what's so ever if YOU did not like what was posted. I'll certainly remember that if you ever start your own discussion board. Good to know your true character. And your a moderator???  Only my opinion ofcourse, and you will probably disagree with my opinion, but it is moderators with your type of attitude and thinking regarding posters you may or may not like that can cause problems on many boards.
 
The reason you see my site advertised on the discussion board you mentioned is as a direct result of a lawsuit I was forced to file, of which I cannot talk about.
 
It is very interesting to hear your thoughts as to the thread you are referring to as showing FirstDream in a unfavorable light. I have thought so as well. I greatly appreciate hearing your opinion on this matter.

[Admin]

Jet, so if you had a Russian discussion board you would be the type owner who would ban someone with no warning what's so ever if YOU did not like what was posted. I'll certainly remember that if you ever start your own discussion board. Good to know your true character. And your a moderator??? Only my opinion ofcourse, and you will probably disagree with my opinion, but it is moderators with your type of attitude and thinking regarding posters you may or may not like that can cause problems on many boards.

The reason you see my site advertised on the discussion board you mentioned is as a direct result of a lawsuit I was forced to file, of whichI cannottalk about.

It is very interesting to hear your thoughts as to the thread you are referring to as showingFirstDream in a unfavorable light. I have thought so as well. I greatly appreciate hearing your opinion on this matter.

Jack,

I too, have banned people with no warning. I did so with one poster who was attacking Kevin, and I did so with someone who was using the board's PM feature for scamming purposes.

It is all situational and up to the judgment of whomever is authorized to take action. Jet seems a pretty reasonable guy to me, and if there were moderators here, I wouldn't hesitate to ask for his help.

FWIW

- Dan

[Jack]

Dan my opinion about Jet will vary some from yours. My first experience with Jet was not so pleasant. Never heard of the guy, never done anything for, or to him, and one day I read on a discussion board where he is making some pretty unsparing remarks about me. So I wrote him and asked him under what grounds can he say these things, what in our previous experience (which was none) lead him to make such statements. Jet writes me back, says he is sorry, he should not have made the remarks he did from hearsay he had got from this discussion board he was part of. This was the first indication to me about the character of Jet.
 
In Jet's last post's he shows more of his incompetence, in my opinion, when he stated that during his tenure the only people banned were those who could not control their behavior or violated the agreement they signed when they applied for a user account. Jet does not know, because he often speaks before thinking, that many, MANY, new policies were put into place AFTER particular bannings, bannings with no warning, no strike one, no strike two. 
 
RacerX, no, not the site I was referring to.
 

Khashyar, glad to see you posting on the RWD, I think you, as well as many of the posters from RMP, will like many things about the RWD. I am, and have been, a member in good standing of the RMP since 2003, one of the 'old timers' on the board. I have not seen you having to ban many people over the past few years, certainly not in the numbers banned by other boards, which probably says a lot for you (and Dan) and not so much for boards who are constantly having to ban people. Keep up the good work on the RMP.

[Bruno]

Bruno, there is a HUUUUGE difference. On the other board, there was open discussion of banning - it did not come from my imagination. On the other board, Fiorella made on open threat of legal action. I did not imagine it.

Dan is you have read all the topic on the OF ( other forum )... you have can see that the "fire" have stop enough fast... about the "legal action"... have you see the smiley at the end... it was like joke, in reply of one of my post where i explain that you have make all is needed to protect yourself against possible lawsuit with the old-barred section... i have protest when they have wish ban you... i have post your message when you was not more able to post like guest and needed to be member... we have make a discussion about banning... some was on your side... it was a calm discussion over a serious problem... not only about RWD but over it in general...

On THIS board, you, Fiorella, Elen, and numerous others constantly talk about being banned - almost as if you (and they) know that the posts are near (or crossing) the line of what should be acceptable.

Here again the same mistake... Elen is member from the OF only since her return... and she have not make one post since... it make me nerveous when you and other associate Elen with the other woman... She is a free electron with a strong character but she have nothing to make with Fiorella and Kvinna... the only common thing are that they are all russian women...

On these OF, only one topic was over these problem of banisment... and it is the only one topic where we speak of banisment... take all the post from RWD where people speak about be banned from somewhere, make them in only one topic and it will be a very long topic... several member here are people who was banned from other forum...

Now - having said all that, there is a difference in my attitude as a result of these past few months. Here it is:

I will edit and/or delete and/or suspend and/or ban ANY posts I wish. I will do it at any time and for any reason. If I am in a bad mood, or suddenly feel that things have gotten out-of-hand, I may make those decisions for what seems like no reason whatsoever. If ANYONE feels I am too harsh, or too lenient, or too capricious, or too anything - they are invited to find the 'door.' If ANYONE begins to complain about my moderation, I will consider it whining and not in the best interests of the board and will have zero tolerance for any of it.

OK, i have good read and understand your rule... it is your rule and your forum... but i have my own personal rule, i say always what i think... so, if it appear that i don't agree with you, i say it... if you don't agree, make what you wish but i go never change myself, say what i think is one of my quality and i keep it... honesty can hurt but it is better that hypocrisis...

RWD is NOT an open democratic community. Members are here as my guests. Like any hosting of guests, I pledge to treat everyone with respect and will do what I am able to encourage an open and honest and vigorous exchange of ideas. If/when someone abuses the opportunity to play nicely with all my other guests, I *may* ask them to control themselves - I *may* ask them to leave - or I *may* take more rash action. I make no pledge to action within any prescribed timeframe, or on behalf of anyone.

Agree but members are more that guests... members give life to your forum... without members, a forum is only a piece of software, not really interesting... never forget that members are the benzine who make run the machine...

Bruno - you are welcome here. You have always been someone whom I value. You have NEVER been banned - not even for a single second - any conclusion you drew to that effect was a rash assumption.

Dan, i have agree to stay away a time like you have ask for stop these little war in the old-barred section... i have explain you that i will comeback later for report the evolution of my new relation... but sometime ago, i was not more able to log... the same that fiorella have know... so, i have think that i was not more welcome... it was the logical conclusion of the recent event...

OK, it is enough for now... in 10 minutes, begin my daily chat session with my darling... i will be away for minimum 2 hours when it is not more... :D;)

[Michelangelo]

...Bruno - you are welcome here. You have always been someone whom I value....

Welcome back.
- Dan

Thanks for your understanding, Dan.  Newcomers like me truly appreciate the wealth of information Bruno shares.

In a forum like this, all of us come from varied perspectives and have different reads on issues.  But that is a strengh, not a weakness, so I don't mind reading posts from some that don't make sense or who are inaccurate in terms of history.

But we are all guests in your "house," and we appreciate the work you do for all of us to keep us better informed through the posts here at RWD...thanks again!

P.S.   So it's not a "thankless" job after all!

[Admin]

Bruno - you are welcome here. You have always been someone whom I value. You have NEVER been banned - not even for a single second - any conclusion you drew to that effect was a rash assumption.

Dan, i have agree to stay away a time like you have ask for stop these little war in the old-barred section... i have explain you that i will comeback later for report the evolution of my new relation... but sometime ago, i was not more able to log... the same that fiorella have know... so, i have think that i was not more welcome... it was the logical conclusion of the recent event...

OK, it is enough for now... in 10 minutes, begin my daily chat session with my darling... i will be away for minimum 2 hours when it is not more... :D;)
[/quote]

Bruno,

You and I have had more than one email exchange in which you had ASSUMED something - usually connected with your assumed editorial action on my part (which was UNtrue). You have made those assumptions at least a few times - and I have told you about it.

So here's the deal. I am telling the truth when I say that you were NEVER banned. If you do not believe me, then you need to make whatever decision YOUR belief leads you to. I am weary of trying to convince you - and I will not do it any further. Stay or go - you and/or anyone else. I am done with defending my actions - to you or anyone else.

- Dan

[Michelangelo]

...Bruno - you are welcome here. You have always been someone whom I value....

Welcome back.
- Dan

Michael Wrote:  Thanks for your understanding, Dan.  Newcomers like me truly appreciate the wealth of information Bruno shares.

But we are all guests in your "house," and we appreciate the work you do for all of us to keep us better informed through the posts here at RWD...thanks again!

P.S.   So it's not a "thankless" job after all! [/quote]

Dan--I guess you did not read my post...  but my thanks remain...

In terms of your comments at 11:06  -- trust me -- computer glitches do happen -- all the time.  Just now I could not sign into my Bank of America account.  And yes, I did have the correct user name and password.

So let's take Bruno at his word -- and you at yours, too.  I'm betting on the computer glitch...

Dan--computer glitches happen....

[Jack]

Computer glitches do seem to happen on Russian discussion boards. On one Russian discussion board, a "for profit" discussion board I had posted a scam we had discovered. Could prove every word that was written about the scam, could prove everything told us by the American man who was scammed by the agency (he had been writing a lady, she writing him back, he saw her at one of the large socials and she did not know who he was, he went to his roon, got copies of her letters and she said she never wrote one of those letters), could prove that the woman who was involved did not write any of the letters and could prove all of the events leading up to the discovery of the scam. Well a short time after this scam was posted it disappeared. When I asked the owner of the discussion board what had happened to this scam busting report what was his reply? You guessed it, "computer glitch".

[Bruno]

Dan--computer glitches happen....

Maybe... but now that i think, maybe a software problem... before these problem with loggin and password, i have know something strange...

One time, i have type my log and password on the RWD but i was send to a other forum... i have direct contact Dan... and he have inform me that these other forum was the old RWD... and i have see that some other people have register on these old forum since the new RWD was running... maybe some problem between the two forum...

Other possibility is a new virus... previously, Santy have make a lot of problem for some forum... using google search engine, they was infecting the viewtopic.php on the server side... and after a time, all the database was cleaned...

About virus, take care of a new generation of Polyposter... these virus scan your hard disk for all your .doc document and post it on several newsgroup... so, if you have confidential information in your computer stored in .doc document, i recommend your to use a encode option...

No, i don't believe in computer glitches... but in problem with software or other bad thing like virus, worm, trojan, backdoor,... yes

 

[Michelangelo]

... what was his reply? You guessed it, "computer glitch."



my response:
WELL, if you don't believe in my rather broad use of the term "computer glitch, Jack--how do you explain my example of Bank of America not letting me sign on?  Believe me, computer systems are not stable....

[Shadow]

Michale, the biggest computer glitch is found btween the keyboard and the chair.

Dan, with your post you clarified the rules of RWD that existed from the start. Exactly this is what I meant with my post about enforcing the rules. You do not need a consensus or approval of any of the members. And a time-out for a member can be positive now and then. 

Bruno, welcome back here. Glad to see the issue of your absence was resolved. I hope you will be able to continue the good work

[Jack]

Yes, I second the welcome back to Bruno.
 
And Michael I agree with much of what you have said.
 
The key to a good Russian discussion board is a direct result of it's management. There are only a few such boards that offer good, un-biased information to help the many new guys just beginning this most wonderful pursuit for a Russian bride. RWD, P-L, RMP, these are the leaders in the industry for allowing any and all post's relating to agencies, agency owners and general information towards the pursuit for a good Russian bride. There are other Russian discussion boards who, due to there affiliation with certain agencies, some of which are involved in the porn industry, who are pretty good at helping men to find not so good Russian brides.  
 
With some Russian discussion board owners they appear to have an agenda that is solely revolved around money. Money, money, money. Ohhh, your not good for my business, your out of here, or "Hey, you don't like so and so, neither do I, he's not good for business, I like you, in fact I'll make you a moderator!" These are the scum factors of the industry. The damage they do to the industry, they mayhem and confusion they cause, the elimination of threats that can expose scam they are closely related to, should be considered criminal acts.

 
With Dan at RWD, Parick at P-L, and Khashyar at RMP you see three good Russian discussion boards that are managed well in a very similar manner. The policy of RWD, to help others thru knowledge, is something that should be copied 1000% by other Russian discussion boards. It would be wonderful if some of the more ethical Russian discussion boards, boards such as the RWD, Planet-Love, RMP, could get together and create a standard for other boards to follow. That would certainly get the rift-raft of the scum discussion board owners exposed and probably out of the industry.

[Michelangelo]

Well said, Jack...thanks!

[Maxx]

With some Russian discussion board owners they appear to have an agenda that is solely revolved around money. Money, money, money. Ohhh, your not good for my business, your out of here
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 Isn't advertisement's sole reason is for business growth and with it "money. Money, money, money." or do you have another reason why you are advertised there?

Maxx

[Jack]

Maxx, I sure the heck don't have anything to do with regards as to where my ad is placed.

And like I said, without being able to go into details, my ad is there as a result of the agreements of a lawsuit.

[Maxx]

Jack I would be the last one to defend crooked agencies. I have been burnt three times in a row by them. The second one near broke me. The third gave you some trouble too. What they all had in common was they were Russian owned and operated. Can you imagine getting high ethical standards from FSU partners and their personnel 100% of the time?

A while back I had sent in Russian woman detective into an agency to sign up, check things out etc. During her first visit she seen three RW lined up taking their turns thanking the marriage agency owner for forwarding men to them and paying him off with gifts of cognac and chocolate. What do you think would be the payoff amount if it lead to them getting a fiancee/spousal visa to America? Why I bring this up is the American partner to this Russian partner cannot possible control what is going on over there because they would have no way of finding out. I doubt if HRB is any different in this inability.

Jack you have heard about agencies firing interpreters for scamming men, getting payoffs and money under the table from ladies. Marriage agency owners getting kickbacks from agency pro-daters. Forcing their women to pay for letters that the men have already paid for. Women being forced and threatened to entertain men who are visiting. Encouraged to write letters to men they are not interested in. Yet out of all this corruption comes a fairly decent number of RW who are honest and sincere.     

This is a tough business (message board) to sort out the wheat from the chaff. Besides if you do would you not run the risk of being accused of deflamation (sp?) of character or some other damage that you felt was done to you? 

Maxx
  

[Admin]

Jack I would be the last one to defend crooked agencies. I have been burnt three times in a row by them. The second one near broke me.The third gave you some trouble too. What they all had in common was they were Russian owned and operated. Can you imaginegetting high ethical standards fromFSU partners and their personnel 100% of the time?

A while back I had sent in Russian woman detective into an agency to sign up, check things out etc. Duringher firstvisitshe seen three RW lined up taking their turns thanking the marriage agency owner for forwarding men to them and paying him off with gifts of cognac and chocolate. What do you think would be the payoff amount if it lead to them getting a fiancee/spousal visato America?Why I bring this up is the American partner to this Russian partner cannot possible control what is going on over there because they would have no way of finding out. I doubt if HRB is any different in this inability.

Jack you have heard about agencies firing interpreters for scamming men, getting payoffs and money under the table from ladies. Marriage agency owners getting kickbacks from agency pro-daters. Forcing their women to pay for letters that the men have already paid for. Women being forcedand threatened to entertain men who are visiting. Encouraged to writeletters to men they are not interested in. Yetout ofall this corruption comes a fairly decent number of RW who are honest and sincere.

This is atough business (message board)to sort out the wheat from the chaff. Besides if you dowould you not run the risk of being accused of deflamation(sp?) of character or some other damage that you felt was done to you?

Maxx

Maxx,

For someone to be found guilty of defamation, it is necessary to demonstrate that the person knew something was untrue and that this information would, in some way, damage another person. Then, they need to "publish" that information. Yes, it is true that an internet board might be considered publication, but if a person offers his/her honest *opinion* and expresses it that way, they are not representing something as an undeniable truth, and it cannot be said to be defamatory. Further, anything that can be shown to be truthful is an absolute defense against a claim of defamation.

In fact, your Freedom of Speech right (from the US Constitution) trumps state defamation laws so long as you are not intentionally malicious in your behaviors.

There are quite a few legitimate defenses to a defamation claim. Unless someone is making a VERY serious and protracted effort at unfounded character assassination, they are probably clear of defamation.

Please note that I am NOT an attorney, and you should not rely on my comments as legal advice - but it is my understanding of the law - and I just happen to have some direct personal experience with a case of this sort.

Having said all that - do remember that US laws are pretty relaxed about filing lawsuits. There are obstacles and consequences to filing frivolous lawsuits - but it can cost a LOT to get to the point of proving a lawsuit was filed frivolously. It ain't fun - I assure you.

- Dan

[Admin]

Dan my opinion about Jet will vary some from yours. My first experience with Jet was not so pleasant. Never heard of the guy, never done anything for, or to him, and one day I read on a discussion board where he is making some pretty unsparing remarks about me. So I wrote him and asked him under what grounds can he say these things, what in our previous experience (which was none) lead himto make such statements. Jet writes me back, says he is sorry, he should not have made theremarks he didfrom hearsayhe had got from this discussion board he was part of. This was the first indication to me about the character of Jet.

In Jet's last post's he shows more of his incompetence, in my opinion, when he stated that during his tenure the only people banned were those who could not control their behavior or violated the agreement they signed when they applied for a user account. Jet does not know, because he often speaks before thinking, that many, MANY, new policies were put into place AFTER particular bannings,bannings withno warning, no strike one, no strike two.

Jack,

Sounds like you and Jet have some history which pre-dates RWD. Since Jet has been here, he has been VERY reasonable - and I appreciate that. Probably best to leave your PAST disagreements at whatever other venue it occurred.

Thanks,

- Dan

[Jet]

Computer glitches do seem to happen on Russian discussion boards. On one Russian discussion board, a "for profit" discussion board I had posted a scam we had discovered. ---/snip/--- Well a short time after this scam was posted it disappeared. When I asked the owner of the discussion board what had happened to this scam busting report what was his reply? You guessed it, "computer glitch".

You know, I was gonna comment on a "computer glitch" I noticed here a while back. Of course, sometimes these glitches work against you and sometimes they work for you. Then after reading Dan's post to Bruno near the bottom of page 4, perhaps it wasn't a glitch at all.

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In my experience out in the real world where there is no benefit of internet anonimity and people have to look each other squarely in the eye, arguments rarely degenerate into attempted character assination, either overt or veiled with "IMO's". When they do, it can reasonably be assumed that the assasin has lost the argument and is grasping at whatever straws they can possibly grab in a vein attempt to regroup and prevail. Jack you started this thread and from the very first post, made remarks which implied that RWGuide had questionable ethics. Further down the first page you seem to make allegations about their desire not to report about problems with companies that pay for the right to advertize on that website. When your alegations were proven false you switched gears apparently to try to discredit the moderators. Once the HRB Admin commented in a brilliantly worded post (factual? dunno, but an extremely good PR move) you dropped that fight like a hot potato. In steps Khashyar and although you claim to be a member of his board since 2003, you seem suprised to learn of it's existance. Oddly, you found no need to to post the HRB info to that site for the benefit of your fellow RMP brethren, nor any need to admonish anyone else for the fact that it was not available to RMP members. Then when ConnerVT makes a critical comment about RMP you manage to spin it around and point it the "for profit" board.Once Dan tried to nudge this thread into more friendly territory, you started to pontificate on your opinions about my character as shown in the above quoted posts. If attempting to assinate my character is your goal, have at it! But please try to wrap it up by Sunday night, as my wife and the little guy are finally returning home and I'll be spending a lot more time living the dream and a lot less time in here...

 
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[BC]

All I can say is that after following Jet's posts for many years now I have never seen any kind of untoward actions. His 'not for profit' posts are highly respected, balanced and on my 'must read' list. The best opin is always free imho.

Jack why don't you contribute more to threads that are not agency/business related and/or motivated? Many of your posts and initiated topics do seem more like 'plugs' reminding me of a door to door salesman's foot jammed in a slightly opened door.

[ConnerVT]

Then when ConnerVT makes a critical comment about RMP you manage to spin it around and point it the "for profit" board.

You should of left me out of it, Jim.

My comment was not critical of RMP.  I initially made the observation that jb had visited RMP when it first opened, and found it to be too PC for his liking.  IMO, his opinion is not unfounded.  After frequenting there for some time, I still think it has a too much "everything will be wonderful" attitude.  Perhaps it is a lack of experienced individuals that visit (although growing in number).  I like that forum so much, on several occasions I've turned down offers to moderate.  I wished not to have my (typing) fingers tied, and say what I really thought, unfiltered by a moderator's role.

Now, I think there is a growing number of people who offer a more realistic, balanced view at RMP.  I don't think that existed in 2003/2004.

[jb]

Conner,

It's true, I did visit RMP and found it much too "pie in the sky", I'm surprised you remembered that.

I also remember vividly Jack's multi-id's on the RWG back during the bad old days.  As I recall, he was furious when he got busted shilling for his MOB agency.  At the time I thought it was pretty funny.  What I didn't find funny was the war between Jack and MarkInTexas over on PL, that was pathetic and resulted in both of them being banned.

I also have a rather long history with Jetrim and know him to be a level headed individual, I also consider myself richer for having known him as a friend.

If I had to choose between asking advice from someone and the options were Jet or Jack, sorry, Jack, but I'd always wonder if you didn't have a profit angle in there somewhere.  Jim would have to be the reasonable choice.