Assumptions We Make

[PeeWee]

I don't know Jack but I do think I have spoken to him several years ago. I have always given him credit for knowing something about this subject. I know nothing and seem to be forgetting it at a faster rate than I am learning it.

When I need to know something about a RW I ask several other RW. I have found that they don't even agree on whatever it is that I am curious about. I think that maturity has more to do with the person and not the age or race. My son, at 22, if far beyond his years. If an RW were to meet him and no other AM she might tell her friends how mature American boys are. PeeWee

 

[Bruno]

First, any man going anywhere overseas for the explicit reason of finding a wife has a few rattling nuts and bolts upstairs that should be looked at by a professional. Dreamers, misfits, dominants, gamblers and pervs looking for an 'easy way' to fill the empty gaps in their lives.

Yep, us European don't need to go "overseas"... we are the normal guys

Joking...

Going anywhere overseas for finding a wife is not specialy a problem... it is more a problem when it is the only one option... When someone say that American woman are not good for marriage, i become suspicious... be realist, the majority of American men marry American woman and several are happy... finding a wife overseas need to be a option but not the only main goal... keep always the option "woman from own country" open, you don't know who you can meet tomorrow in the street...

You can hunt both localy and foreign... choose a option don't remove the other... in my case, the main problem is not to date and life with a woman from Belgium... the problem is that they don't wish marry, that don't wish we life together because of more high tax, they don't wish children... after some time, you become tired to see your loving girlfriend only the week-end... and the pool in Belgium is enough little... we have the same population that a big russian city...

So, my future wife can be from Belgium, holland, France, Russia, Ukraine,... i don't care from where she come until i am good with her.. actually, i think that she will be from Belarus... but to much early in the relation for publish it... only say that her neightbour is the daughter from one woman living in Belgium ( 20 km from my actual house, previously a neightbour )... here, internet help for the communication... but i have find her via friend relation...

PS : foreign marriage is not the 'easy' way to fill empty gaps in your life, it is the hard and long way... these who think that it is easyare real fool

 

[corncrowe]

So, my future wife can be from Belgium, holland, France, Russia, Ukraine,...

Bruno,

I am just curious, why can't your future wife be from America?  I was wondering if it is possible for you to find a nice America girl? 

P.S.  Please don't say, "So why don't you find a nice American girl, Jon?".

Gotta thinking!!!

Jon

[Shadow]

corncrowe, after hearing from you guys how bad they are, we do not want to take our chances with them

Seriously I remember a smoking hot blonde in Atlanta having some interest in me...and visited New York once with a side interest from seeing the Big Apple...so don't think Europeans are not interested in your women.

[BC]

Yep, us European don't need to go "overseas"... we are the normal guys

Joking...

Bruno,

There's more truth than joke when you can hop in a car and drive through 7 or 8 countries using 5 or 6 different languages in less than 12 hours. You can drive through 4 (Belgium, Lux, Germany and France) in 2 including the time to get gas, pee, buy cigs and wash your windows in Lux.

I'm not going to say that a European is any better or worse than an American, but geography does have a lot to do with exposure and communication with different cultures.

Learning RU will be the sixth language for me. The other 5 I use more or less daily between family, pleasure and business. To really communicate in a language you have to understand a bit about the mentality of the people speaking it. You just can't do this without many years of experience living in different countries.  My wife keeps telling me only a Russian can really 'understand' Russian. Only after living there quite a few years can I begin to prove her wrong. When I start to dream in Russian I will be close.

Thank goodness she spoke excellent english from the start otherwise our relationship would not exist today.

[corncrowe]

corncrowe, after hearing from you guys how bad they are, we do not want to take our chances with them

Seriously I remember a smoking hot blonde in Atlanta having some interest in me...and visited New York once with a side interest from seeing the Big Apple...so don't think Europeans are not interested in your women.

John,

Actually, it's still a bad myth that American women are terrible.  Believe me, I meet nice girls in Dallas who are friendly, attractive, and funny.  I met Dutch girls like this too (see picture).

I think it depends on the man, not the country. 

 

Jon

[Shadow]

corncrowe, after hearing from you guys how bad they are, we do not want to take our chances with them

Seriously I remember a smoking hot blonde in Atlanta having some interest in me...and visited New York once with a side interest from seeing the Big Apple...so don't think Europeans are not interested in your women.

John,

Actually, it's still a bad myth that American women are terrible.  Believe me, I meet nice girls in Dallas who are friendly, attractive, and funny.  I met Dutch girls like this too (see picture).

I think it depends on the man, not the country. 

 

Jon
[/quote]
I guess you are right, I have always been attracted to foreign girls no matter where from. Altough I am one of the first to admit that there are many nice, friendly and attractive Dutch girls. With summer here you do not need to go to the FSU to see hot girls. No miniskirts, although ther are slowly coming back in fashion. But tight white pants and black underwear leave little to imagination.:dude:

Unfortunaltely also with women where you would rather not imagine.

[corncrowe]

corncrowe, after hearing from you guys how bad they are, we do not want to take our chances with them

Seriously I remember a smoking hot blonde in Atlanta having some interest in me...and visited New York once with a side interest from seeing the Big Apple...so don't think Europeans are not interested in your women.

John,

Actually, it's still a bad myth that American women are terrible.  Believe me, I meet nice girls in Dallas who are friendly, attractive, and funny.  I met Dutch girls like this too (see picture).

I think it depends on the man, not the country. 

 

Jon
[/quote]
I guess you are right, I have always been attracted to foreign girls no matter where from. Altough I am one of the first to admit that there are many nice, friendly and attractive Dutch girls. With summer here you do not need to go to the FSU to see hot girls. No miniskirts, although ther are slowly coming back in fashion. But tight white pants and black underwear leave little to imagination.:dude:

Unfortunaltely also with women where you would rather not imagine.
[/quote]
John,

Go to Zandvoort, but skip the casino because I took all the money!!!  Darn, still gotta pay my tax on it too!!!

Tot zein,

Jon

[Bruno]

So, my future wife can be from Belgium, holland, France, Russia, Ukraine,...

Bruno,

I am just curious, why can't your future wife be from America?  I was wondering if it is possible for you to find a nice America girl? 

P.S.  Please don't say, "So why don't you find a nice American girl, Jon?".

Gotta thinking!!!

Jon
[/quote]
Where i have say that American woman was not a possible choice... the list of country is followed by ",..." , it mean that you can write other country...

In fact, when i was in USA, i have know a charming girls... unfortunaly, she was not willing follow me in Belgium... she was not knowing where these village was located... yep, for her, Belgium was the name of a village :?:X...

 

[corncrowe]

yep, for her, Belgium was the name of a village :?:X... 

LOLLOLOLOLO

    

Jon  

 

[Bruno]

Bruno,

There's more truth than joke when you can hop in a car and drive through 7 or 8 countries using 5 or 6 different languages in less than 12 hours. You can drive through 4 (Belgium, Lux, Germany and France) in 2 including the time to get gas, pee, buy cigs and wash your windows in Lux.

I'm not going to say that a European is any better or worse than an American, but geography does have a lot to do with exposure and communication with different cultures.

In some way, you are right... Russia is partially on the european continent ( i speak about the geographic europe, not the politic one )...

Yes, we have more easy... but forget about bus, i have make it one time, 3.5 day from Gent to Moscow... but bus are perfect for Spain... express bus and i am south of Europe in only one night...

Our big plus is that we are near and expanse for meeting are more low... my last trip to Ukraine was around 400 euro go and back ( plane ticket and tax )...

Second, the visa politic of Europe allow girls to visit us too... so, don't need these complex K1-K3 procedure... if she like you and the country, she can prolong the visa ( maximum stay of 6 month ) and if she have the right document, marry you in the month... since she start the regulation, she can stay until a reply ( around 6 month delay )...

Yep, all more easy... What do you say !!! 6 languages !!! Certainly not a problem for find a job :D:D... for European, two language is a minimum... 3 is a option... 6 is gold ...

[BC]

Bruno,

Russian is proving to be quite a challenge I do learn but progress is painfully slow.  It is the first language that I am attempting to learn outside the country it is spoken in.

Yes travelling is easier and cheaper but that doesn't change the fact that exposure to East European cultures is still a bit limited and quite 'fresh' for us westerners. Europeans might have an 'edge' with regards to learning and accepting other cultures through personal experience but it does not give us an 'ace' card.. Plenty of crash and burns stories here I bet.

All the mixed european east/west marriages I personally know of resulted when the man was working/living/travelling in FSU countries or vice versa.

Things are changing rapidly though. Just yesterday while visiting a local tourist attraction (and we are not in a mainstream tourist location), we met a Ukranian family driving through Europe on vacation and our lunch was served by a very nice Romanian girl.

When someone asks (and they do) about finding a FSU woman I still tell them to forget it. Their chances of finding a good FSU mate are far better doing nothing than they are by getting in the MOB fastlane.

Of course there are European based MOB businesses that will be more than happy to take your money.. This seems quite universal. Suckers are not only born in the good ol' USA.

 

[Bruno]

Of course there are European based MOB businesses that will be more than happy to take your money.. This seems quite universal. Suckers are not only born in the good ol' USA.

I know one in France... the boss is a russian woman married to a French man... but these agency is very good working... and not cheap... you pay a one time fee of 250 euro for start... and this after a personal interview where they analyse your motivation...

After the pay, you can use the help of agency without limit in time... matchmaking service, social organised in France, help for document, and same help for integration after marriage... they work with 20 men maximum in the same time ... for 2004, they have around 80 marriage and 4 baby... the result of so little agency is more high that these from big one... around 90% of man married in the year...

Of course, they have a big adventage... relation between France and Russia was always good, same in the time of the communisme...

Myself, i have know russia from the time i was in Navy... we have not only work with NATO... we have make some excercices with Russian Navy too... it  was my first contact with russian people...

Now, with the expension of Europe, we have more country from ex-USSR who are members... same Ukraine make a big work for be members from Europa... this will take time for become true but already, it is more easy for Ukrainian to receive a European visa... And since the cancel of visa for Ukraine, several European visit Ukraine like tourist... and i am sure that some tourist will come back with a ukrainian wife... everybody is winner in this... the tourism can be a big income for ukraine... and it is more easy for us to visit them...

Now, about recommend a FSU woman, i don't make it... they are not better or more bad that other women... they are different... some thing are better but some thing are more bad... it is a personal choice and i cannot make it for someone other... What is good for one can be bad for a other... and foreign marriage lead to problem who have nothing to make with the woman herself... it is a long and difficult procedure... dating is only one part of the problem... administration and integration are other difficulty...

 

[Photo Guy]

I agree that free movement between countries is a good thing. I think many of us were surprised by Ukraine's recent action to no longer require a visa from US citizens.  Now if we could return the favor to them, while looking out for terrorists.  Is the US the 'land of the free'?
Our visa and immigration policies are idiotic and random.

[RacerX]

[user=134]Photo Guy[/user] wrote:

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Our visa and immigration policies are idiotic and random.

Ah, my dear idealistic friend, the current "legal" immigration numbers are  around 1 million individuals that are admitted EACH YEAR.  Now, without any controls the numbers are apt to run in many multiples over this... how would you feel if you lost your job to someone to would gladly accept whatever you do for half the money?? Give it a decade or so and then look back at a society with 100 million+ new immigrants... any idea what your little part of the world would look/feel like?  

[Bruno]

I
Our visa and immigration policies are idiotic and random.

Ah, my dear idealistic friend, the current "legal" immigration numbers are around 1 million individuals that are admitted EACH YEAR. Now, without any controls the numbers are apt to run in many multiples over this... how would you feel if you lost your job to someone to would gladly accept whatever you do for half the money?? Give it a decade or so and then look back at a society with 100 million+ new immigrants... any idea what your little part of the world would look/feel like? [/quote]
Again a new myth... Europa have a more esay procedure for visa... the tourist one alow visit to people who can prove enough income... the personel one make the person who invit responsible of the visitor...

And about job, usualy, foreign people have the more bad job, these that local people don't wish make... here, we are always to short in low level worker... so, don't worry about your own jobs... maybe our situation is better here... the income from a work is discuted between syndicat, boos and gouverment... it is not possible to pay lower loan because you are a foreign or a woman... for one job, everybody the same...

Now, all the immigrant pay tax, work, buy product, buy house... a lot of thing for the good health of industry... All these new people are potential customer...

Since europe have allow the free circulation of people... i have not see a lot of poor people from south Italia or Spain coming in Belgium... it have change nothing... only open new market for our industry...

Immigration tolered in the need of country is not a problem... more easy visa procedure allow to remove these heavy K1/K3 who lead to so much problem... in reality, they are not far from a personal visa, when you invit someone to visit you...

 

[Photo Guy]

Our visa and immigration policies are idiotic and random.

Ah, my dear idealistic friend, the current "legal" immigration numbers are  around 1 million individuals that are admitted EACH YEAR.  Now, without any controls the numbers are apt to run in many multiples over this... how would you feel if you lost your job to someone to would gladly accept whatever you do for half the money?? Give it a decade or so and then look back at a society with 100 million+ new immigrants... any idea what your little part of the world would look/feel like?  [/quote]

I am complaining about a lack of consistency, especially regarding tourist visas. I never meant to imply I thought we should open our borders and eliminate guidelines or all restrictions.  Do we have a different tourist visa requirement for each and every country?

[BC]

Doug,

There are many countries that the US 'waives' the visa requirement.. Unfortunately girls living in these countries are too rich to have much interest in the typical AM RW seeker.

Be happy it is so hard to get a tourist visa, otherwise the pond would have been fished out long ago.

[RacerX]

[user=134]Photo Guy[/user] wrote:

Our visa and immigration policies are idiotic and random.

Ah, my dear idealistic friend, the current "legal" immigration numbers are  around 1 million individuals that are admitted EACH YEAR.  Now, without any controls the numbers are apt to run in many multiples over this... how would you feel if you lost your job to someone to would gladly accept whatever you do for half the money?? Give it a decade or so and then look back at a society with 100 million+ new immigrants... any idea what your little part of the world would look/feel like?  

I am complaining about a lack of consistency, especially regarding tourist visas. I never meant to imply I thought we should open our borders and eliminate guidelines or all restrictions.  Do we have a different tourist visa requirement for each and every country?[/quote]

Fair enough, I just "assumed that."  

I know it seems confusing and inconsistent, but we (the US gov) tend  to customize the visa requirements depending on the country.  Where you really see this is Poland.  I get the strong  impression that the folks at the embassy would like to relax the tourist visa requirements for this new member of the EU, but they know what would happen it they did.  Despite rumors to the contrary, there are typically many, many multiples of applicants for each visa class offered in the FSU.  

[Bruno]

[user=134]Photo Guy[/user] wrote:

I am complaining about a lack of consistency, especially regarding tourist visas. I never meant to imply I thought we should open our borders and eliminate guidelines or all restrictions. Do we have a different tourist visa requirement for each and every country?

In fact, for Belgium people who wish visit USA, you have two case...

The good old Belgium international passport... where you need a visa since the 9/11 for visit USA...

And the more secure one, the new at the european norm, with a electronic chip inside... where you need only the passport, no need of visa...

So, you can see that security is now a request...

About visa, i was more speaking about a personal visa, where man fill a document where he certify that he is fully responsible for the visitor... in some way, several people use the K1 in these way... like a try periode for see if they are compatible...

We have no fiance visa here... woman can visit you with tourist visa ( she need to prove that she have the needed money for her stay... 50 euro/day, the plane ticket ( round trip ) and a medical insurance...

In case of personal visa, you are responsible for the lady... if she dissappear in the nature, state can clain you to pay the amount of 30000 euro... like a garantie for the future expense of state... these garantie can be keep 2 year... so people who use these type of visa make it for girlfriend, relative, friend... not for unknow people...

Last visa, it is the familial one... after a marriage in other country... a immigration procedure... 6 month needed... my case was ready in a short time, some week but the delay is fixed at six month... not far from the K3 method...

In case of marriage in Belgium with a woman who have use a tourist or personal visa, you have one or more interview from administration before the date of marriage. Police make interview of neightbour for see if you have life together sometime... in case of marriage, the visa is prolong and start a procedure similar too these for the familial visa... again, around six month...

In some way, it is not very different... only the administration part is more easy... not so much document and only one administration form after the marriage... you fill it directly at the administration of your city... or at the ambassy... of course, birth act, marriage act, police record, divorce act, pre-nups, ... are required with the administration form... in any case, all the work begin AFTER the marriage... before marriage, the visitor is only a guest...

 

[BC]

There's no way I'm going to be able to read and comprehend half of this thread so I'm going to say my piece in very simple terms.

First, any man going anywhere overseas for the explicit reason of finding a wife has a few rattling nuts and bolts upstairs that should be looked at by a professional. Dreamers, misfits, dominants, gamblers and pervs looking for an 'easy way' to fill the empty gaps in their lives.

Second, the 'pickings' within your age group are probably just as slim there as they are at home if you use the same selection criteria. The young women don't want you.. really.. but some will accept you if the conditions are in their favor.

Third, if you insist on proceeding you WILL find that you will get exactly what you prayed for but in ways that you never thought about. There is a good bit of 'excess baggage' involved and a different MENTALITY (that is often confused with maturity) that takes a lot of effort to even understand and even more to live with 24/7. Those that have applied for a passport and are experiencing their first international flights are in big big trouble.

It may sound harsh but what I've written above is quite real. Get used to it.  Are there exceptions? - sure but don't even start thinking that you are or will be an exception... it just doesn't work that way. The odds are so  against you that even you wouldn't accept them if it wasn't a woman you were looking for.

Fold while you have a chance and enjoy your hard earned bucks elsewhere instead of wasting it on someone shuffling three cups and a ball under your nose.

reposted just for the heck of it.. The post must have either made sense or was ignored.. trying to figure it out.. LOL

[Bruno]

reposted just for the heck of it.. The post must have either made sense or was ignored.. trying to figure it out.. LOL

If i good remember, i have reply to it... do i need copy and post again my reply :D:D... so, be sure that i don't ignore you ...

 

[BC]

I was expecting a few flames Bruno.. guess I can take off the Nomex suit and athletic cup now.

[Bruno]

I was expecting a few flames Bruno..

Why ? It is a good post and enough realist... maybe a little extreme... previously, i have myself say that we need to be partialy looser to search a wife abroad... the big majority of men find woman localy... and us, we are not able to find the right one localy... so, we are looser... but you have two type of looser... these who stay alone in own country until the end of life and these who "revolt" and find some courage for search abroad something other...

But like always, foreign marriage is the hard way... several stop before reach the end... lucky, i am enough bullheaded, so i don't give up :D:D ... same after one or two misluck...

 

[Photo Guy]

Doug,
Be happy it is so hard to get a tourist visa, otherwise the pond would have been fished out long ago.

Uh...yeah. Good point. But still, who decides which visa requirements are waived? I need to phone senator John McCain.  Ha.