Assumptions We Make

[Michelangelo]

My personal opinion is that language skills are much more important than age difference.  
KenC

On my trip to Ukraine in April, the primary girl I was visiting was not what I expected and I bailed.  I then went though the agency routine of picking out pics and profiles and meeting girls cold turkey.  I'll agree with Ken about language skills.  I met 4 girls, and none of them spoke enough English to free us to be alone.  I REALLY liked one of the girls--the chemistry was there.  But when I got back home, my head cleared and I moved on to another girl who spoke acceptable English.  It was a wise move...

[KenC]

Journeyman,

It is ironic, but I would have to say that my wife was exactly the opposit of what you describe.  She was way mature relationship-wise, but certainly acted her young age in the "survival" catagory you mention. 

A funny story on this topic:  The other day I was asking my customer what she wanted and I gave her a few options.  She is 26, an AW and quite good looking.  Her reply was, "What the hell do I know?  I'm only 26!  Do what you think is best."  Smart girl.

KenC

[corncrowe]

[Journeyman]

Ken,

Yes, I do recall you characterizing your wife and your relationship with her as being exceptional in other respects also, and for other men to not consider her and your relationship as representing the expected case.

Like your customer, one of my neighbors, a 27 year-old man, declined to take part in addressing a neighborhood issue involving enforcement of certain CC&Rs (restrictive covenants on the homes).  His reasoning: "Hey, I'm just a kid."  :?:X:(  

Journeyman

[Bruno]

Journeyman,

It is ironic, but I would have to say that my wife was exactly the opposit of what you describe.  She was way mature relationship-wise, but certainly acted her young age in the "survival" catagory you mention. 
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KenC

Ken, it seem that your are the lucky man... but in the case of my first marriage, i can say that my lady have know a lack of maturity ( and myself, i was not specialy ready too )... Let explain

Yes, she was previously married and with child... this have lead me to think that she can be a mature young woman... but now, i know that it was wrong...

She was always living with her parents during her first marriage... one time month, she was visiting his husband in Moscow when she was lucky... he was a sportman and was making a lot of competition around the country... when she was pregnant, he have ask the divorce...

When i have know her, she have never work, she was at university... his parents have always take care of her... same during one periode of fight with his mother, she was with a appartment pay by father, food and money give by relative... she have never educate herself her own child... in russia, it was his parent who have educate her own child...

When she was in Belgium, she was going the night in week-end in disco... since i cannot allow to stay alone at home a very young child, i have stay home... she was coming very late home under influence of alcohol... in 5 year of marriage, she have work almost one week ( 4 time one day )... of she was not good for the work of she find the work to heavy... now, she don't work, she life of what give the state and some man...

The familial cell in Russia don't really allow young girls to have some maturity... they only enjoy the life... and they marry very young but in the hope of a sugar-daddy... infortunaly, young russian man have not a lot of maturity too and marry young russian in the hope to find a second mother... it is one of the main reason of the high level of divorce in first marriage in Russia...

Now, it is a little difference with woman before and after communisme... from the time of communisme, young student don't have the summer holiday like now... a part of these holiday was used for help the communauty... several young have use one month of holiday for help in farm in campaign... it was the first contact with work...

In some way, our western young woman are realy fast in contact with the adult life... several use student job for earn some woman... they know enough fast how is the real life, since the familial cell is not so strong by us...

Of course, you have in Russia woman who are from more poor origin and who have step in the adult life more early... but usualy, they are not the woman that you find on internet for foreign dating... These that you find on site have enough time for search a man, have enough education, have the financial needed, know that internet exist... they are more educated, they speak better english but usualy, they have more low experience of life, more low maturity...

And about language... why the RW need to know english... she is searching a foreign partner but she don't already know from where he will be... several woman in Russia know partially a second language... it can be English but some speak italian, several French, and a lot German... since a man know he wish find specificaly a RW, why he cannot learn the basis of Russian language... if both try to know a little of the language of other, communication will be more easy... a Russian woman can perfectly learn English language when she will be in USA, and this without any problem...

If us, European, have request that the RW speak our language before date her, it will be a hell... find a woman who speek Dutch in Russia is really not easy... the language don't seem to be a problem with European men... maybe because it is usual for us to meet people who don't speak our own language and that several European speak more of one language... here in Belgium, we have 3 national language... i speak two of them ( French and Dutch ) and a foreign one ( English )... i have some very low basis of Greek, Russian and Italian... and i know some words in Spanish and German...

Really, i don't think that language is a problem for russian woman, i am sure that you can find more russian who speak two language that American man who speak two language... The problem of language is more at the American side... your educational system don't allow you to learn several language... it seem to me that American have problem of communication due to the lack of knowledge of foreign language... if you know more language, it will be more easy to understand russian... some example...

Drugsstore ( english )... apoteek ( Dutch )... ap_te_ka ( Russian )

Water ( english )... aqua ( latin )... a_qua ( Russian )

Library ( english )... biblioteek ( dutch ) ... библиотека ( bi_bli_o_te_ka )  ( Russian )

If you only learn the russian alphabet, and read words... you can under it very easy... a hospital when you can read russian letter is po_ly_cli_nic ... clinique in French...

So, my knowledge of several language help me to learn new one... the main difficulty of russian language is the alphabeth ( easy to learn ) and the gramatica ( a hell )...

Language is really a excuse... if i need to choice between a good woman who don't know my language or a other not so good who know my language, i choice these who don't know my language... it is more easy for a woman learn a new language that change her own character to be the good woman..

[Michelangelo]

Journeyman,

It is ironic, but I would have to say that my wife was exactly the opposit of what you describe.  She was way mature relationship-wise, but certainly acted her young age in the "survival" catagory you mention.  
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KenC

if you know more language, it will be more easy to understand russian... some example...

Drugsstore ( english )... apoteek ( Dutch )... ap_te_ka ( Russian )

Water ( english )... aqua ( latin )... a_qua ( Russian )

Library ( english )... biblioteek ( dutch ) ... библиотека ( bi_bli_o_te_ka ) ( Russian )

If you only learn the russian alphabet, and read words... you can under it very easy... a hospital when you can read russian letter is po_ly_cli_nic ... clinique in French...

So, my knowledge of several language help me to learn new one... the main difficulty of russian language is the alphabeth ( easy to learn ) and the gramatica ( a hell )...

Language is really a excuse... if i need to choice between a good woman who don't know my language or a other not so good who know my language, i choice these who don't know my language... it is more easy for a woman learn a new language that change her own character to be the good woman..
[/quote]I see what you mean, Bruno.  I was also excited to find Russian words that were close to English words, and it was much easier.  And of course English is easy for FSU girls to learn because they do usually know several languages and they use that knowledge in learning English.

[Bruno]

I see what you mean, Bruno. I was also excited to find Russian words that were close to English words, and it was much easier.

You have a lot who are close to english... some example : компьютер, камера, фотография, секс , авто, аэропорт, гамбургер,  ... if you can read the russian letter, you will understand.

[KenC]

Bruno,

You describe our situation well when you wrote:

The familial cell in Russia don't really allow young girls to have some maturity... they only enjoy the life... and they marry very young but in the hope of a sugar-daddy... infortunaly, young russian man have not a lot of maturity too and marry young russian in the hope to find a second mother... it is one of the main reason of the high level of divorce in first marriage in Russia...

My wife had no problem adjusting to being married or to America in general, but had more difficulty with coming to terms with her household duties because of her young age and lack of experience.  That is the one area that her youth came into play.  It is only now, after 6 years of marriage, that she really understands her household responsibilities.  I have to really laugh when I read about the "traditional women", RW are suppose to be.  And I don't think this is too uncommon with younger women.  My wife's cousin, still living in Russia, locked his young wife in the bathroom and wouldn't let her out until she washed his clothes!  Now, why didn't I think of that? 

KenC

[Michelangelo]

Bruno and Ken,

Your comments set me to thinking differently about the maturity of FSU women:[/font][/i]

Bruno--
The familial cell in Russia don't really allow young girls to have some maturity... they only enjoy the life... and they marry very young but in the hope of a sugar-daddy... infortunaly, young russian man have not a lot of maturity too and marry young russian in the hope to find a second mother... it is one of the main reason of the high level of divorce in first marriage in Russia...

And also what KenC said about his wife--
"It is only now, after 6 years of marriage, that she really understands her household responsibilities.  I have to really laugh when I read about the "traditional women", RW are suppose to be."

All but one FSU girls I have seen live with their parents!  And theses girls are ages 20-27!  Yes, economics drives that. But nonetheless, it detracts from the girls maturity and independence.  All of these girls look to their mothers for approval and advice and consent (just talking about the 7 or 8 in my limited experience base).  But in the US, most kids can't wait to get away from home to go to university at age 18 and then quickly move from a dorm into an apartment or house with buddies.  So this is one contrast in favor of US kids in terms of independence...

[Shadow]

The maturity myth is about as old as the 'traditional values' one. And both are true and untrue in some respects.

Life in the FSU creates closer family ties. Not because the people there want to have them, but because they need to have them. Family and friends are important, as they are the ones that help you survive in difficult times, and the ones that you help when you are doing well. People are willing to sacrifice their own luxury to help a family member or friend in need. These are the 'traditional values' that we have forgotten thanks to our development of insucanrce, social security, pensions and care homes. Understand me, I do not think we should drop these things, just that we tend to care less about our family because of it.

As for maturity, young people will be adding to the family income as soon as they work. While some cases, like the one Bruno was involved with, the young ones were pampered in to doing nothing, in many more cases they have gotten a share of responsibility from their childhood. As such they are more mature in life. However this does not guarantee emotional stability

It is harder for young people to live independent of their family as income is lower. So if they want to leave home in most cases the only option is marriage. This results in marriage at a young age. However as both partners are not yet stable in life and what they want from it very often there will be trouble after a couple of years. And while many marriages may survive this, also a lot of them do not survive and end in divorce. Which is lucky for many men out here, as without these young divorced women there would not be a lot of MOB's to get

My friend in Ukraine has once told me not to look for women under 28, as they are not emotionally stable. While some may put the border on 25 (about the age of divorce) I think she is right. The young married couples that divorce often do this as they feel they were married too soon and did not get to enjoy life. So after divorce they take some years to do the things they 'missed out' when they were young. After getting bored with these things, they often realize that family life is not so bad after all. By that time the women approach 30.

When you read about the women, how they develop and their marriages (including crash and burn after arrival) this seems to be a pattern. However as with every pattern, there will always be exceptions.

[Bruno]

Household duties...

Yep, for this, it was a problem with my first wife... i am not the type of man who give all the household work to woamn, i like share task... in my mind, work together at the home task help to have so free time together after... but ...

She was not able to make something at home... all my expensive kitchen material was out of service after a few month...

In Russian family, the mother is the king of family, she make all... but the young woman don't learn from parents, they learn by test and trial, experience... my ew-wife was not allowed to cook at the home of parents... help, yes, but really cook, no... russian children are over protected by mother and know almost nothing when they are free...

And when my mother in law have visit us in Belgium, it was a hell... both my ex-wife and myself was prohibith to go in kitchen, mother in law have change all in her own taste... she have refuse i use wash-salloon for clean our cloth, she have begin clean with hand... she was directly the boss... in my own home...

In the case of Western culture, several young learn to ready itself food because of parent working very late... they learn more early to have some responsability... now, with the micro-golf generation, several of our modern young western ladies are not very good too...

Don't forget that man have some household duties too... little repair, mount new furniture, ... some modern young man are not able to change a fuse from the electric board when it is needed...

In any case, children and young are not responsible... usualy, it is us, parents, we don't take the time to educate correctly our children...

Now, about "traditional"... if is a big words for several of thing... it can be for household, for spirit, for sex, for education, for feminism, for religion, for superstition, for medical...

Now, about your wife's cousin, it is the perfect example of young russian man who marry a woman and hope to find a second mother... and his reaction is enough usual in Russia... maybe it is the reason that several russian bathroom have a lock system both inside and outside the bathroom ... yep, when i remember the appartment in Nikolaev, it was so... two lock...

Some other quote over Russian woman :

[align=center]If someone calls her on the phone, there is no need to tell you who it was or what the call was about. (But expect her to ask you if you get a call.)[/align]
[align=center]Expect her to be jealous. Expect her to hate your jealousy.[/align]
[align=center]Don't expect her to say "please" and "thank you". Russians say these words to strangers, not to friends and family. These people should already know your are grateful, so there's no need to say it to them.[/align]
[align=center] Expect her to complain that you don't listen to her. Expect her to tell you not to listen to everything she says so seriously.[/align]
[align=center]Expect her to love sleep...a LOT of it...OFTEN.[/align]
[align=center]When someone in the FSU says, "I don't drink." this means hard alcohol. But because wine, champagne and beer are not considered hard alcohol, bring it on!!! It is VERY rare to find a woman who does NOT drink.[/align]
[align=center]Expect her to tell you that you are well-endowed and you are the best lover of her life. Russians are masters at those complimentary lies.[/align]
[align=center]She'll be expecting gifts when gifts should be given. She'll act appreciative. If you don't give a gift when it is required, she will never forget it.[/align]
[align=center]Don't expect her to talk about her sexual past and don't expect her to tell the truth about it.[/align]
[align=center]Expect her to finish your sentences. (This makes conversations long and hard at times.)[/align]
[align=center]Expect this...
She says, "Let's go dancing."
You say, "I am tired, how about going to a restaurant and a movie?"
She tells her friends, "He doesn't like nightclubs."
or...
You say, "I don't want to meet someone now. All women are crazy."
She asks, "Why don't you like Russian girls? Our girls are the best in the world."
or...
You say, "USA is the best country in the world."
She tells everyone, "He doesn't like Russia."
See a pattern here? All Russian do this.[/align]
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[align=left]The agencies will tell you that the reason for a high divorce rate in Russia/Ukraine is because Russian men drink, they are rude, they don't value women, they cheat or they hit the women.[/align]
[align=left]Sorry, that happens in every country. (Russia didn't invent the 12-step program) Here are the real reasons.[/align]
[align=left]Russians marry young. Men because they want to move out of the family home but need a 2nd mother to do the cooking, cleaning and washing. Women because they think they are in love or because the want someone to take care of them. Young Russian girls have no money.[/align]
[align=left]Why do they divorce? Men divorce because they found a better woman. (They never give up their 2nd mother if they don't have a 3rd waiting.) Women because they realize that they don't love the man and in the divorce, they will get a pile of financial compensation. (Apartment, car, money) Women might stay with a man if she has a bad job or kids because no Russian man wants a women with kids. A single mother is a bad thing in Russia. [/align]
[align=left]Nobody tries to save a marriage. Nobody works at something that they consider to be not working. They simply give up and move on. I am sure the majority of Russian girls who have married foreigners and are happy in their new lives were the extra-sweet, (non-Russian character) girls that are very hard to find.[/align]

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[Bruno]

Whowww, these topic is growing very fast... the time to type my reply and two new post... great post shadow...

Advice for everybody : Don't marry a RW because you think she is traditional or more mature... RW are like other woman, they don't come from other planet... for some caracteristic they are different but not specialy superior... if you like russian people in general, you go like russian woman... if you don't like russian spirit, go away, RW are not for you, if you marry one, it can be the hell...

Don't choice RW because it is the actual mode... if you wish a woman very good for household, enough submissive, traditional,... don't choice a russian... you will be more lucky with a Asian Woman...

One time, JB have advice to take usual holiday in Russia... before begin the hunting, make it... this can allow you to know russian spirit ( a minimum )... if you have like people, begin your hunt... if you don't like russian people, don't loose your time.

[PeeWee]

"...Why do they divorce? Men divorce because they found a better woman. (They never give up their 2nd mother if they don't have a 3rd waiting.) Women because they realize that they don't love the man and in the divorce, they will get a pile of financial compensation. (Apartment, car, money) Women might stay with a man if she has a bad job or kids because no Russian man wants a women with kids. A single mother is a bad thing in Russia..."

So what do you think? Do you think that for American men that "traditional" equals "mother" and that AM seek RW because they are too looking for their 2nd mother?

In my situation I may have some deeper and hidden thoughts along those lines. But she can immigrate to the US with or without my help. She has more cash on hand than I do. She has zero debt, owns her home, owns her car, and all of her credit cards are paid in full each month. How many of us can say that we have paid off our houses, car, and credit cards?

I have made it clear that I will be the head of the family but because she is uneasy about being totally dependent on me she wants to work and have her "own money." She told me that in Russia the women handle the finances and based on how she has demonstrated thus far what she has done with her finances I may just let her run the household finances. I have never done that before.

PeeWee

[corncrowe]

One time, JB have advice to take usual holiday in Russia... before begin the hunting, make it... this can allow you to know russian spirit ( a minimum )... if you have like people, begin your hunt... if you don't like russian people, don't loose your time.

Bruno,

That is exactly what I did in May, but I went to Ukraine instead.  Just for a week long holiday and nothing else.  Did manage to meet a few women while was there, but didn't pursue them.

Going for a holiday can become a romantic trip if you just know how to talk with people and listen.

  

Jon

[Bruno]

She told me that in Russia the women handle the finances and based on how she has demonstrated thus far what she has done with her finances I may just let her run the household finances. I have never done that before.

PeeWee, the quote was about RW and RM... and yes, some western man search to marry RW because they think that they are traditional in the meaning of household...

But the big majority of Western man who search foreign woman make it after several misluck try with local woman... they are not more at the level of young russian who search a second mother... i think that they are more mature...

For finances, you lady have right, it is a work for woman... but never, i will give the full financial power to a RW in the beginning... several don't know what is a bank account or credit card... Your case is very different, she was already living in USA before... she already know how the system work... in some way, you are a lucky man, you don't need live the difficult adaptation periode... your case is difficult to compare with these of other people here...

 

[RacerX]

 infortunaly, young russian man have not a lot of maturity too and marry young russian in the hope to find a second mother... it is one of the main reason of the high level of divorce in first marriage in Russia...

"traditional women", RW are suppose to be.  

KenC][/quote]

Bruno:

According to demographic experts the reason that RW/RM marry early is "...attempts to legitimize sexual relations between emotionally immature and socially and economically dependent young people."  Again, despite anything AM say, RW are taught not to have sex outside of marriage (at least the good ones) and their parents reinforce this with rather negative attitudes.

KenC: "traditional girls" are not ncessarily "traditional women"    

[jb]

WOW~!

I shut down to take my wife out on a Saturday evening and look what happens!

I'm looking over the last two pages of posts and see that, unwittingly, people are seemingly subscribing to my notion that RWs aren't so mature at age 20 - 23 after all.... How funny is that?

Jack behaves like an attack dog whenever he feels threatened, I understand that, he makes his living in the MOB business, it's understandable.  However, he gets many of his facts wrong.  I'm not MarkInTexas. Just for the record, I didn't marry the first RW I met, I spent about 100 days on my first trip in the winter of 1979-1980 working in Siberia, during which there were 4 trips to Moscow for crew breaks.    There were some major differences in what I experienced and what the average MOB seeker will do while in Russia.  All the people I was with, (excluding my KGB watcher friends), were some of Russia's top scientists and intelligencia of Russian Geology and Geophysicics industry.  I also met lots of RW and RM outside the work situation.  I ran with a very different crowd than what you would expect to meet during a 1-2 week visit to the FSU.

All this should tell you I have a very different view of Russians, I know them as a down to earth people with no mythical powers or strange abilities.  I have been knowing many of them for a very long time.  They are very much like us in most ways, neither more or less mature for their ages than we are, they are just people.

Jack sings the praises of RW/UW, he toutes them as super wives because that's what greases the wheels in his business, I wish I could agree 100% with that, but I know better, they have all the same faults and weaknesses as any other breed of female on the planet.

[Jack]

wow jb, are we reading the same post's?  I see several guys who agree that Russian women from 23 to mid-30's are more mature than their American counterpart. Did you not see these? Could you point out the members who agreed with you?
 
So jb, I was mistaken, you met several Russian women before you found your Russian bride, these were women you dated, got to know yes?  Curious, how many of these fine Russian women did you meet before you met your Russian woman and what city, or cities, did they come from. I think we would all like to know where these Russian ladies are who have the same maturity level as their American counterpart.
 
jb, I'm not really attacking you because I feel threaten. You couldn't threaten me in any form of manner I can think of. You know me well enough to know when I see someone post something as stupid, as absurd, as potentially detrimental as what you are trying to tell guys, "Russian women and American women have the same maturity level" that if I disagree I am going to post an opinion completely different than you. One of us is really off on this one and I don't think it's me.
 
And so that you don't mis-lead the viewers of this thread I want to say I do not sing the praises of bad RW/UW women, but I do sing the praises of good R/U women. These are truly the worlds finest women if a man chooses wisely. And they can be your worse nightmare if you do not choose wisely.
 
Read this jb so you do not make the same mistake again, Russian women have many of the same problems and faults as all women of the world. Russian women are not exempt from being bad, from being scammers, from being whores. Their are Russian women who will have sex within 25 minutes of meeting a man for the first time. Their are many bad Russian women, but their are a whole lot more good Russian women than bad.
 
You are mistaken, AGAIN, jb. I do not tout R/U woman as superwifes, I wish I could also agree to this. And because I disagree with so much of what you say, you want to say this because you would like to un-validate my beliefs, my post's, because I own an agency. jb, like I said last night, what you really know about Russian women, what you really know about the pursuit for a Russian bride, is really very little, much less that what you would like people to think. I mean it's as obvious as you saying, "Russian and American women have the same maturity level". To me this sums up your experience and knowledge quite well.

[jb]

Jack,

Opinions are like A-holes, everybody has one.

[Jack]

and jb, some people have two!

[corncrowe]

WOW~!

I shut down to take my wife out on a Saturday evening and look what happens!

Advice,

Don't try this at home folks!!!  And please, jb, next time order in...

Jon

[jb]

Now that sounds like you are speaking from personal experience.  Two?  Jack, really? You are able to exude excrement from both your mouth and your A-hole?  Well, yes, nevermind, I've seen the proof of that.

Good luck to you, Jack.  I suspect your MOB days are numbered.  Have you given any thought to becoming a used car salesman?  Seems like a natural extension to your current trade.

[Bruce]

Lets see................the thread started out with assumptions we Westerners are making about RW and lately has become a discussion about A-holes.   Let me try to get it back on some assumptions.

What are some of us really disagreeing about?  It seems to me it is about the maturity level of FSU women when compared with American women - in general.  So, a guy could think one thing and find another thing, unless he meets alot of women - ie. he needs a statistically valid sample to really have a good inference on this question.  Additionally, it depends upon what criteria he bases a woman's maturity on.  Alot of people touched on this already ie. mature sexually, mature morally, mature realistically, mature domestically, mature outlook - plus others.   Also, it depends upon the individual girls (assume 24 year olds) life experience ie. previously married, with or without children, University educated or not, intellectual interest, older siblings or not, both parents or not, big city or small town etc. - its so difficult to really compare apples with apples.  I am not so sure I can really acurately answer it.   I think in Soviet times the average 24 year old RW was more mature than the average 24 American woman due to cultural and societal norms.  In general, the 24 year old FSU woman just had alot more expectations upon herself.  Now, I am not so sure..............it seems there has been so much cultural and societal breakdown in Russia.  So many women / people seem to be in survival mode over there.   Are women in the FSU generally more hardened by the realities of life, yes.   Are women experienced with living in the 21st century in the USA - I'd have to give that to the American girl.   Can the girl from the FSU learn and adapt, certainly. 

I still believe the average Western guy can realistically find and hold a younger, prettier and just as intelligent girl as he could find in the USA.  However, he needs time, effort, education, money and luck to find his other half over there.  The process is usually very difficult.  A learning curve must be established before the average American knows a good FSU woman from a hole in the ground.  The "player" is hurting himself, his fellow countrymen seeking a FSU bride and his country in general.   It is a minefield over there for the single guy - and unless the guy either has someone helping him sweep the minefield or is adept at navigating his way through himself there is a high probability he will get hurt. 

Jim Nasium had an excellent point when he said that as far as the decent agencies are concerned, if a good American shows up the women will come out of the woodwork for him.  So, I agree and still believe a good guy with good intentions has a chance in the right circumstances...........but that is with help, and it still takes alot of money, effort, time and luck for that particular guy to reach his goal. 

If a guy looks at the "process" of finding a wife in the FSU as a learning experience for himself, with no guarantees he is best off.  I believe in time he will face his particular demons, mature and thrive.  During the journey he must learn to know himself, know what really is important to him, learn to like himself, know his strengths and weaknesses - and really figure out what is important in his wife.  Only then will he find and hold the "gold" he encounters in the FSU.

[Admin]

To ALL the guys with intials JB.

Take your further arguments to the PM system. It serves no useful purpose for the board to read all this harping.

Thanks,

- Dan

[BC]

There's no way I'm going to be able to read and comprehend half of this thread so I'm going to say my piece in very simple terms.

First, any man going anywhere overseas for the explicit reason of finding a wife has a few rattling nuts and bolts upstairs that should be looked at by a professional. Dreamers, misfits, dominants, gamblers and pervs looking for an 'easy way' to fill the empty gaps in their lives.

Second, the 'pickings' within your age group are probably just as slim there as they are at home if you use the same selection criteria. The young women don't want you.. really.. but some will accept you if the conditions are in their favor.

Third, if you insist on proceeding you WILL find that you will get exactly what you prayed for but in ways that you never thought about. There is a good bit of 'excess baggage' involved and a different MENTALITY (that is often confused with maturity) that takes a lot of effort to even understand and even more to live with 24/7. Those that have applied for a passport and are experiencing their first international flights are in big big trouble.

It may sound harsh but what I've written above is quite real. Get used to it.  Are there exceptions? - sure but don't even start thinking that you are or will be an exception... it just doesn't work that way. The odds are so  against you that even you wouldn't accept them if it wasn't a woman you were looking for.

Fold while you have a chance and enjoy your hard earned bucks elsewhere instead of wasting it on someone shuffling three cups and a ball under your nose.