Ukrainian Model found dead

[PeeWee]

Afraid? No! But then again if my lady was to leave so be it. I would simply find another, there are many more to be had. Never invest more than you are willing to loose.

Not more surprised that you are so rich... it seem that you trat all like business, same love relation... maybe in some year, you will be change of "invest" when the actual will be come too much old...

Why marry ( buy ) a woman, not only hire a woman... when you are tired, you change it... sorry, i was forget, for the woman stay with you, you need to marry her before the end from the 3 month of the K1...

With so words, the term "mail order bride" is really true...
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Bruno,

 You do not have to agree or disagree those are the FACTS of life. Men of means simply have more opions and business is business, what is the difference if a man marries a woman for "love" then a few years later they get a divorce for whatever reason then marries another woman for "love". Or if a man marries a woman because she is young, beautiful and he enjoyes her company and she stays with him because of his position, status and money? Personally I do not see much difference as long as the man is happy and is able afford the lady what is the difference?
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Now here is a lad that sees it like I do. You can meet and marry woman and love her. YOu have, at this point, a 50% or worse chance, so say statistics, of eventually divorcing. With those kind of odds one has to look at this as he would a business. And remember, for every one woman who you thought you were in love with there a thousands more who you could be in love with. Women are, like men, are somewhat easy to replace. And like business, the more resources you have at your disposal, cash, the easier it is to conduct your business elsewhere, when the time comes.

PeeWee

[Bruno]

YOu have, at this point, a 50% or worse chance, so say statistics, of eventually divorcing.

Ok with these statistic... but now, i wish know the same stastitic for each case : business marriage or love marriage... in what type of marriage you have the more chance to have a divorce...

Don't forget, a woman is not a passif object... if she marry you for money, soon or late, she will find a more rich that you... and go away with a part of your money...

Of course, this don't apply to Tiger... he is a old general and good stratege... he is protected by a pre-nups very detailed... in my case, i don't need a pre-nups... it is nothing to take... i have only fear of the visa whore... not the scammer and gold digger...

Now, the woman i date wish that we meet soon... she earn the same money that me but in Belarus... if the meeting is in Belgium, she pay her trip herself... if the meeting is inMinsk, she wish pay the hotel... if woman are always after money, that love is some dream... why she have choice me... the man who can afford her a more low condition of live that these she have in Belarus now... actually, we speak about the possibility that myself i go life in Belarus... i am not very hot for this but why not...

 

[corncrowe]

Now, the woman i date wish that we meet soon... she earn the same money that me but in Belarus... if the meeting is in Belgium, she pay her trip herself... if the meeting is inMinsk, she wish pay the hotel... if woman are always after money, that love is some dream... why she have choice me... the man who can afford her a more low condition of live that these she have in Belarus now... actually, we speak about the possibility that myself i go life in Belarus... i am not very hot for this but why not...

Bruno,

I think you must work two or three jobs so your new woman can live like Dutch wife...

 

Jon 

[Michelangelo]

I agree. Women are attracted to two things; money and power. Any guy who thinks love will win over it is a fool.

Love from woman's side dose win over those two things But it should be love at first place

Aha! Tiger Pows:D Well you are from those happy husbands who should be "afraid" not about more rich competitor but about somebody your beautiful wife can fall in love with - some poor but young boy:P Sometimes such happenes as well, when money loses all their value for woman.

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 Afraid? No![/color][/b] But then again if my lady was to leave so be it. I would simply find another, there are many more to be had. Never invest more than you are willing to loose.[/size][/color][/font]
[/quote]I am having a BIG problem with this thread!  A girl is dead, and this is nothing to kid about or dismiss so lightly.  I would hope we would have more respect for women, and human life. Yes, the girl may have been wrong. But murder and death were not due her...

[Elen]

Well I was about LOVE. ( at least) and about its ability to win upon money.

Girl thought in other way. Let she rest in a peace.

[wsbill]

Go read the Planet Love board about Europete dating this girl when she was still single in Ukraine.  And how Europete wrote the guy when he found out she and he was getting married.

The guy totally ignored him.

[Bruno]

Go read the Planet Love board about Europete dating this girl when she was still single in Ukraine. And how Europete wrote the guy when he found out she and he was getting married.

The guy totally ignored him.

 

Interesting... finaly, a little more information... she was already know like scammer... and it seem that she was not the only one from Kherson... Kherson !!! Kevin, do you know her ? In any case, it seem that Jack have know her but have refuse list her like scammer...

Strange that we have no comment from these two members here... one from his origin city and other who was informed that she was scammer...

In any case, now, we have enough evidence for call hera visa whore

[Bruno]

Yep, she is listed on several scam site, i have verify...

http://www.uaprofiler.com/profiles/profile.php?id=408

and she was members from the site www.khersonbride.com who attack always Kevin...

Yes, you pay it soon of late when you are a bad marriage agency... i think that now, western man will see with bad eyes these site with scammer... and if ukrainian woman know that one other woman member of these agency is murdered in USA, they will run away of these agency...

[BC]

Scammer or no scammer she didn't deserve what happened to her.

Maybe agencies should be required to provide warnings to their 'brides' like they do on cigarette packs.. something like "Marrying a westerner can cause health problems and/or result in death"

Also few reports lately of bad situations with adoptions of FSU kids.

Sometimes I think folks view the FSU and other countries as they would a pet store.

Yeah sicko's

[Bruno]

Scammer or no scammer she didn't deserve what happened to her.

Fully agree...

 

[PeeWee]

Scammer or no scammer she didn't deserve what happened to her.

Maybe agencies should be required to provide warnings to their 'brides' like they do on cigarette packs.. something like "Marrying a westerner can cause health problems and/or result in death"

Also few reports lately of bad situations with adoptions of FSU kids.

Sometimes I think folks view the FSU and other countries as they would a pet store.

Yeah sicko's

Regarding the pet store observation, I have think that sometimes when I read the occasional post. That or a "Maid Brigade" source.

 

PeeWee

[Michelangelo]

Geez...wow

After reading what some men who post here think of women, I think FSU girls should think twice before looking for an American man.  Or at least be VERY careful...

On the other thread, the question was asked "Would you recommend that a friend search for a wife in the FSU?"

If we reversed that question, the answer would be complicated for the FSU girls...

[Turboguy]

That is the truest post I have seen here in a long time.

[jb]

You know, I'm really sorry this young woman is dead, and I'm sure her method of dieing was horrible and her last moments of life were filled with terror.  I couldn't agree more with BC's comment that, scammer or not, she didn't deserve to die like this.  After all, it's only a little money.  No amount of money is worth a life.

However, I have to wonder what she did or said that so angered her lover that he used a baseball bat to bash her brains out.  Without capturing Cullen and hearing from him, we'll never know.  Was there a blackmail scheme?  Did she threaten him in some way?  Men don't just kill a girlfriend, they call them bad names, they break up with them, they throw them out on the street, they take away the Mercedes-Benz, at the very least they stop taking her out.  They don't normally beat them to death.

We have no way of knowing at this time, and with what little information we have available we will never know the motivation for her murder, but given her track record for dishonesty, scamming, and maritial infidelity, I have to draw the conclusion that she brought upon herself at least some of the responsibility.  

Does the husband, Ronald Singerman, share some guilt in this, I'd say,,, yes, probably.  He helped facilitate the whole show.  According to wsbill's up-thread post, he, Singerman, was warned by someone who had firsthand experience with her and he choose to ignore it.  He, like TigerPaws, was probably willing to accept the risk of her being an unfaithful wife just to have the young hottie at his side for a while.  This is an example of just plain old poor decision making ability, and although being duly cautioned, he choose to go ahead with acquiring a trophy wife.

Sometimes you get even more than what you wish for.

[Bruno]

He, like TigerPaws, was probably willing to accept the risk of her being an unfaithful wife just to have the young hottie at his side for a while. This is an example of just plain old poor decision making ability, and although being duly cautioned, he choose to go ahead with acquiring a trophy wife.

I think that the TigerPaws situation is a little different...

First, he is retired and always with his wife... this give a few opportunity to his wife meet other man...

Second, they are already a own children... this change a lot of thing in the head of woman...

At least, with these round trip around the world, it will be difficult to date other man in middle of nowhere, on the sea... :D:D joking...

Real at least... Tiger is very rich and his pre-nups protect him very good... the change that his wife find a more rich them himself are low...

And maybe she love really Tiger... who know... in some way, he have give her what woman dream... security, lover and family...

The problem is at a other level... if localy, you can date only medium women... don't try date high level woman in FSU... of course, in the begin, she will be happy when she compare with her situation in Ukraine... but with time, she will compare her situation with these of other American woman...

PS : when i speak about medium or high, i don't speak about the quality of woman but about his position in the society... high ( owner of big industry, rich people,... ) , medium ( little commerce, doctor, lawer,... ), low class ( simple worker ,...)... each one is needed in the society... and a mix between class can lead to problem in the field of expectation...

About BC comment, i have understand that she don't deserve to die... same if she was a scammer... maybe i have not good understand !!!

 

[KenC]

jb,

I like your last post, but I don't agree that the hubby is guilty of anything but maybe being a fool.  He may have taken a foolish chance at having a successful marriage with a woman of uncertain character, but how is that action make him responsible for her and her boyfriend's actions?

KenC

Has anyone found the posting on PL that wsbill spoke of?

[TigerPaws]

 He, like TigerPaws, was probably willing to accept the risk of her being an unfaithful wife just to have the young hottie at his side for a while. This is an example of just plain old poor decision making ability, and although being duly cautioned, he choose to go ahead with acquiring a trophy wife.

Sometimes you get even more than what you wish for.

jb,

 I strongly resent the implication and tone of your comment above, it is and was wholy uncalled for besides being extremily mean spirited. Without ever meeting my lady you cast her in he same light as unfaithful wife and  known scammer. While we may disagree on many issues I have never and would never stoop so low as to insult your lady, her motives for being with you or your relationship with her.

 Posting such comments is nothing more than a cheap personal attack without merit.

 

[BC]

Tiger,

Maybe jb was referring to a recent remark of yours saying more or less '..no problem.. I would just find another wife'

context... context...

[jb]

maybe i have not good understand !!!

What's not to love about this statement?

According to the news release, Ronald Singerman is an accountant (CPA?) in LA, while the newspapers don't list his assets, I have to assume he's at least "comfortable" and not worrying about where his next meal is coming from.

TigerPaws,

You can get as indignant as you wish, but you are the one who posted:

Men of means simply have more opions and business is business, what is the difference if a man marries a woman for "love" then a few years later they get a divorce for whatever reason then marries another woman for "love". Or if a man marries a woman because she is young, beautiful and he enjoyes her company and she stays with him because of his position, status and money? Personally I do not see much difference as long as the man is happy and is able afford the lady what is the difference?

You are the one who advocated marriage to a young and beautiful woman for a short time as a "business deal".  Don't blame me when your chickens come home to roost.

[TigerPaws]

BC,

 Perhaps? Non the less the tone and wording of his post I found to be extremily nasty and a direct personal atack against my lady. Which is and was totally uncalled for.

[TigerPaws]

jb,

 Regardless there is no excuse to make personal attacks against my lady, you may not like how I and others handle relationships or our approach to such things which provides for meaningful and enlightened discussions but not direct personal attacks. 

 Please keep your personal attacks to yourself they are unwelcome and unnecessary, you do not know my lady so please keep your personal opinions about her to yourself.  

[Bruno]

Has anyone found the posting on PL that wsbill spoke of?

I hope that some people will not be unhappy because i post link from other forum

http://www.planet-love.com/wwwboard/russian/messages/100716.html First guys who have meet Irina...

http://www.planet-love.com/wwwboard/russian/messages/100719.html Second guys who have meet Irina...

 

[jb]

TigerPaws,

My reference to your post was not an attack directed towards your wife, it was in reference to your stated attitude towards marriage.  You wrote it, either you are able to plant your flag and defend it, or not, your choice.

I have several times questioned your background, you say you are a retired military general officer, frankly I don't believe that for one minute.  Your writings do not reflect a college education.  Your posts contain so many misspelled words that I wonder if you even finished high school.

Get over yourself.

[jb]

KenC wrote:

but I don't agree that the hubby is guilty of anything but maybe being a fool.  He may have taken a foolish chance at having a successful marriage with a woman of uncertain character, but how is that action make him responsible for her and her boyfriend's actions?

That's the whole point, he is guilty of being a fool.  He brought a gold digging scammer, (a criminal, if you can see your way clear to call her that) into the USA and turned her loose on society.  He was a facilitator in this.  He was a 50 y.o. man, she was a 20 y.o. girl when they met according to the reports, he was told about her and her cousin's scamming activities.  

What other conclusions should I draw from this?

[PeeWee]

Geez...wow

After reading what some men who post here think of women, I think FSU girls should think twice before looking for an American man. Or at least be VERY careful...

On the other thread, the question was asked "Would you recommend that a friend search for a wife in the FSU?"

If we reversed that question, the answer would be complicated for the FSU girls...

True. I had a RW friend from some time ago that was completely scammed by an American fellow. He took her heart, her money, and her self respect. And you all know the story from three years ago about the Seattle man who killed his Russian wife. It does go both ways and both parties involved should go into this relationship with eyes wide open.

 

PeeWee