FSUW are more materialistic than Western Women

[Kuna]

ambach has just made such a silly post in another thread I thought I had to comment on it for the benefit of other newbies.

If you think RW are not materialistic, I got some ocean front property in Arizona for you.

In my observation they are more materialistic than AW.

Just waite until you start corresponding with them, and the first question they ask you.

He hasn't traveled to FSU yet but in recent threads he's made comments like (sorry for me paraphrasing, I can't be bothered searching back through posts at the moment):

I'm a successful entrepreneur and the American system has rewarded me richly, I like the American System.

I don't want to stay in a tacky apartment, I want something upmarket like I'm used to in the USA.

I don't mind spending money because I have so much money it doesn't mean much to me.

They need to accept me for the wealthy american I am... I won't change for anyone.


I think a couple of points are really important:

1. If a man leads his introduction with women based on how much hes got they won't respect him, in fact they will be more likely to be repulsed by him.  The dishonest ones will only be challenged to scam some out of him because they think he's stupid.

A RWD member was on a trip a little while back and he came to RWD complaining these women were stupid.  He'd take them on a date and get them back to his apartment and he'd get out a photo album or something of his house (to impress them I assume).  The funny thing is that they weren't impressed, and therefore he was offended.  Stupidly a few of us tried to give him a clue and then he stopped showing "the prey" the album and started to get some "booty".  I regret giving the advice but it was true, FSUW aren't impressed by such behaviour, even if it's common in America.

2. If you think your money will impress a FSUW you need to understand they know (and know of) many people with money.  Some of these people are to be admired but some are dishonest. My wife does not respect people just because of their money.  If you're feeling superior about your money yo should try to understand not everyone is as obsessed with you, as you are.   

3.  Your conduct will be the biggest influence on your success in FSU.  Your conduct will also affect who you attract.  If you're attracting overly materialistic girls there's no doubt your conduct is sub-standard.  Not even a scammer will be overly materialistic until after she has fleeced you of a bit of cash.

4.  Kiev can be expensive, very expensive.  If you're going to throw your money around be prepared to be shocked. Anyone that thinks they're going to an inexpensive third-world haven for beautiful women is in for a big surprise.  It'd actually be fun for someone to go to Kiev and throw their cash around to see just how much they can rack up in 10 days - but please come back and tell us.  I bet even they will be shock - but I'm even more sure they will come home without a woman seriously interested in them.

5. Simply, a good FSUW will not be highly materialistic.  They will love beautiful things but they will care for them better than we would, therefore they will last longer... They will appeciate quality but that don't mean they respect things just because they are expensive. 



Oh, I'll just close in saying:

When searching for a FSUW just relax.... be yourself, and that doesn't mean the "yourself" that you're obsessed with.

Women aren't impressed by money as much as we are...  they will use it and exploit it and consume it if you marry the wrong one... but a good woman will just you on your character before she ever considers her access to yor wealth.

If a man wants to turn off a good FSUW I think all he has to do is be obsessed with himself and his wealth, and show the women that part of his character.

[ambach123]

I will repost it here.

Kuna, you seem to be a reasonable guy.

Nonetheless, I don't know anything about your culture or you. I will never offer you any criticism about you or your country.

I don't know how much you know about my country. But I would suggest you refrain from criticiizing my country or me.

It is my observation that Ukrainian women are more materialistic than AW, if someone wants to believe otherwise, I am fine with that. The very first question they ask, " What do you do? " That is before any information is provided to them other than age, height and weight. I don't see anything wrong with that, but that is just a fact.

With regard to my intellectual capacity, you have no clue who I am; may be in your culture you make assumptions, in my culture you don't. We have very high regard in our culture for self made people, whether your culture does or does not, I don't care and I don't care to know either. But I have disdain for someone who does not know anything about me or understand my culture and still makes comments.

And I do like my country, and my culture very much, it has rewarded me very handsomely.

[steviej]

My experience, I should say my INTERPRETATION

[steviej]

(Try again not to fatfinger the send key )
My experience, I should say my INTERPRETATION, of my experience is more similar to Kuna's. FSUWs do not take money for granted. They have a very practical and worldly wise streak about them in this regard. They understand and like quality things. This much is very European compared to USA. European women in general like finer things, and have an eye for finer things, better than AWs. But that being said, I know my wife really understands the value of a dollar. She is the world's best shopper (as I think many FSUW are), and gets great value for the dollar she spends. And she really takes care of what she has. With regard to their views of AWs and material things, it's fair to say that they don't want to move half way around the world to a different culture and language, just to be poor. They are judging a man's qualities to be a husband. Attractiion, compatibility, etc are all important, but so is his profession. Does he have a good profession? Can he support a stable home? They consider this part of a fair thing to judge trying to understand - what is the character of this man that I might consider as a  husband? But then, if she signs on with you, she will stickk with you through thick and thin, IMHO.

[viking]

It is my observation that Ukrainian women are more materialistic than AW, if someone wants to believe otherwise, I am fine with that. The very first question they ask, " What do you do? " That is before any information is provided to them other than age, height and weight. I don't see anything wrong with that, but that is just a fact.

When a woman asks what do you do, they are not asking about how much money you make. They are asking about well.. what do you do?

I am in sales..... (you could be the SVP Of sales of Xerox)
I work with computers...... (you could own the company, but you work with computers)
I am in transportation.... (you could own a fleet of semi's )


These are just very basic questions to try and guage if you are working or living in a box. You do not need to tell anyone you own the bloody company. If you make widgets, just say you work for a company that makes widgets. AFTER, you have met her, developed the relationship, you can gradually ease her into knowing that she is talking to a guy with deep pockets. Hey, surprise. When we get married the first car will be an Aston Martin not a VW!

If you really want to throw your money/weight around, go to Moscow and stay in Red Square. You can stay in a hotel for $1000+ a night. Trust me. You will find some VERY beautiful women waiting for you there. And they will charming, dressed to the nines, attentive and more. And..trust me again.. when they go home, their place will most likely be nicer than yours.

[ambach123]

Here is a requirement on a profile.

He should be a strong, interesting, the one who can support and provide his family, preferably entrepreneur who has his own business.

Here is the link

http://www.kievconnections.com/database/profile.php?id=8616

Almost every profile of RW that i have seen has similar financial requirements, in different words.

It is incredibly naive to think the RW are not materialstic or less so than AW.

AW almost never ask for these up front, of course it is important for them but not so overtly.

[Misha]

Here is a requirement on a profile.

He should be a strong, interesting, the one who can support and provide his family, preferably entrepreneur who has his own business.

I am so glad I did not have to use an agency. I would immediately skip over such profiles.

[ScottinCrimea]

amsbach, My experience is also completely different from yours.  I think there could be a couple of reasons for this.

First, I read your interpretations of the questions the RW ask and what is posted in their profiles and it's apparent that you do not understand the thinking of RW, their culture or how things translate differently from Russian to English.  As some others have noted here, the conclusions I draw from the specific examples you provide are very different from yours.

Second, you apparently have a very money oriented mindset so it seems everything you read is looked at from a primarily financial perspective.

Third, your impression that RW are more materialistic is based on the profiles of the types of women that you have sought out.  You seek for a specific type of woman and it just so happens that those types may be more materialistic than the average RW.

Fourth, if your own profile describes you anything like you have described yourself to us here, you will naturally attract women who are more materialistic.

I know if my wife were as materialistic as you claim all RW are, she could have had her choice of many men much more wealthy than I, and many men here have said the same about their wives.

Maybe you need to stop presenting yourself as a rich entrepreneurial foreigner looking for a wife and start focusing on the other qualities you have to offer.

While portraying yourself as a wealthy self made man with vision will serve you well in the business world, it's not what the sincere, nonmaterialistic RW is most concerned about.

[ambach123]

For the record this woman is not on my list of 20 women that I may meet with. She did not contact me and I did not contact her.

This is an example of a typical prfile.

You can deny all you want, this is the way many if not most of the profiles look like, nothing to do with me.

Just as a test, make up a profile, age 30. 190 m tall, college degree, and pizza delivery as your occupation, and see how many responses you get.

Don't look at the messanger, look at the message, it is in plain English.

[Gtex]

Ambach123;

I would call you A6, but nothing you are doing adds up.  In one of your other threads of seemingly endless inane questions (which could best be answered by some simple research here) you misquoted (seriously and severally).  You even misaligned intent, Hamlet is not about discretion.  

I gently (kind of) gave you a proof readers correction which you neither acknowledged nor thanked.  Now, you are invoking your "Intellectual Capacity" again.  It is not just your country, it is also our country.   Please do not speak for us, only yourself.  

I do not believe I have ever seen a greater congregation of missed signs, disregarded warnings, misinterpretations, and misplaced condescension.  Life may have been good to you in some ways, but  (trust me on this) you are missing some necessary tools for this adventure.  

This is not your high school prom.  We may seem a bit rough on you, but it is really nothing compared to how far off base some (many?) of us think you are.  To deter you is our best advice.  

And for your further edification; Lincoln said, "Even a broken clock is exactly right twice everyday."  So, you could get lucky... try local.

Before posting I got the new replies warning and read the Scott in C note and your reply.  So Scott, you saw his reply.  Quit wasting your time, good intentions and excellent advice on him, you have more important things to do (certainly).

Imagine how surprised he will be on arriving and finding "Plain English" ain't the norm.

[groovlstk]

It is incredibly naive to think the RW are not materialstic or less so than AW.

AW almost never ask for these up front, of course it is important for them but not so overtly.

So basically you write to RW through a marriage agency, and even though they represent less than 1% of the female population of Russia or Ukraine, even though you've never even visited such places in person, you draw such conclusions?

[steviej]

My question would be, if you have such a cynical view of these ladies, what could possibly motivate you to want to marry one. This, of all relations, is the most intimate and most trusting. To me it seems obvious why any potential wife would want to know about her potential husbands occupation and ability to support a family, especially as she would be leaving home, going half way around the world, and be completely dependent on him financially. Not only does she want to know that he can support his family, but also, that he is willing to, without being an ogre to her about money. This seems quite sensible to me. And as someone above said, if you own your own company and are worth a million dollars, I certainly wouldn't lead with that, either here (US) or there. I'd say I work in the (whatever) industry. Maybe I'd say I'm middle level manager or something. I also think that FSUW and European women in general, are more fashion conscious than many AWs. But, it's not about materialism, its about feminity and beauty. My wife wants me to feel like the most proud husband when she goes out. She wants to look nice. Being fashionable and attractive is important to her. Its part of her nature. And you know what? I love it! But it is different than the Western Protestant underlying culture we have here about some of those things. My wife would NEVER go out in flip-flops and sweat pants. She would rather die first, I'm not kidding. And do I feel like a proud husband? You bet!

[Ooooops]

Hey, what's wrong with flip-flops?     If all you need is to run out for a gallon of milk, then any comfortable footwear will do just fine. 

[Gator]

Ambach123;
It is not just your country, it is also our country.   Please do not speak for us, only yourself.  
  
We may seem a bit rough on you, but it is really nothing compared to how far off base some (many?) of us think you are.  To deter you is our best advice.  

Quit wasting your time, good intentions and excellent advice on him, you have more important things to do (certainly).

Gtex,

I write not to Ambach, but to those non-posting lurkers who are thinking about making a trip and hopefully have some semblance of a clue and see the idiocy of Ambach's thinking.  

We have new members at RWD everyday and  I find it opportunistically  instructive to have misinformed guinea pigs such as Ambach walk into our forum in all of their puffery.

I gather that is also why Kuna, Scott, Viking, Stevie, Groovlstk et al address this character.  "What not to do," although negative, can be just as helpful as "what to do."

[steviej]

Hey, what's wrong with flip-flops?     If all you need is to run out for a gallon of milk, then any comfortable footwear will do just fine. 

Ooooops ... LOL !! Really, I've never seen my wife wear flip-flops. Nor have I ever seen any of her FSUW friends here wear them. Never ever. She considers it a true form of AW degeneracy (Just like her grandmother and her mother would - both, by the way, wonderful women). So, you are in Singapore? Perhaps you think you are far away enough from the discriminating eyes of the other FSUW to escape detection for this crime ??

P.S. Gator - right on!!

[Ooooops]

So, you are in Singapore? Perhaps you think you are far away enough from the discriminating eyes of the other FSUW to escape detection for this crime ??

Hong Kong this time.   And no, the last thing I ever think of is "discriminating eyes of the others"      BTW, it was really easy to recognize Fresh-off-the-Boat Russian girls in grocery stores by their clothing and make up.       They usually ease up later on, well, most of them.   So be afraid, be very afraid!   

[ca71447]

.... and now for my two cents .... Ambach -if your focus here (in the US) is materialism and money as your driving force, you most probably will attract someone who is materialistic and interested in your money and just how much you can give her and spend on her.  And that is true no matter what country you go to.  And as some of the others have said, the RW has every right to ask what you do, but not how much you make.  If any woman asks how much you make, turn and run - very quickly, in the other direction.  And if you do go to the FSU, you should probably alter your thinking and actions.  They will pick up very quickly if you are someone who is materialistic.  The high quality women will turn away and look else where, and the ones that usually stick around will be glad to help you spend.  Relax - take a deep breath - clear your mind of all the financial clutter.  Stop and think about what is really important.  If you want true love, you MUST be able to give true love.  And love is shown by actions - more of the small things that you do for the one you claim to love, and not by what you might spend on them.  Just concentrate on being their friend first, and then progress from there.  We all know that the very best wife is also our very best friend. 

I envy a lot of the guys here with their FSUW wives.  I have done a lot of looking - reading topics on this forum - learning from all of the guys with experience - reading some of their testimonials.  I would love to find a FSUW for myself.  But unfortunately, due to my financial situation, it is not even a remote possibility.  For you it is a possibility.  You have a great opportunity here .... listen to these guys .... they know what they are talking about.  If you take it to heart, and take their suggestions .... you most probably will find the love of you life .... think about it

[Zhena]

Hong Kong this time.   And no, the last thing I ever think of is "discriminating eyes of the others"      BTW, it was really easy to recognize Fresh-off-the-Boat Russian girls in grocery stores by their clothing and make up.       They usually ease up later on, well, most of them.   So be afraid, be very afraid!   

+1
I wearing flip-flops all the time

[Ooooops]

I wearing flip-flops all the time

See!   That's why I'm telling Steve to be very-very afraid!   

[steviej]

See!   That's why I'm telling Steve to be very-very afraid!   

Zhena too ?? Now I am terrified 
I am running around the house throwing out any catalogues I see that contain pictures of flip-flops. I'm going through my old photo albums tearing out photos showing relatives or friends wearing flip-flops ... I'm sprinkling water on our icon ... Truthfully, though, the flip-flop has become the "stake in the ground" for my wife in her resistance to the downward slide into the bottomless pit of AW fahsionless existance. LOL

[Ooooops]

Steve, I think you are very wrong - pretty toes with pretty pedicure look very nice in flip-flops!   And if to finish the ensemble with summery dress or skirt you'd get a fashion statement!   

[catzenmouse]

Here is a requirement on a profile.

He should be a strong, interesting, the one who can support and provide his family, preferably entrepreneur who has his own business.

And just what is an entrepreneur in the FSU? I'd wager that you are again looking at what the accepted popular definition of what that means in the US.

Forget about writing for the time being and take a vacation there. Might just give you the chance to rub the goop out of your eyes and see a bit more of the reality of the situation.

Almost every profile of RW that i have seen has similar financial requirements, in different words.

It is incredibly naive to think the RW are not materialstic or less so than AW.

AW almost never ask for these up front, of course it is important for them but not so overtly.

And why shouldn't they do some filtering early on? Aren't they the ones would be giving up their lives to come here? Don't you think they deserve to know up front if you at least have the means to keep food on the table and a roof over their heads?

I'd have to suggest it is you ambach that is naive in your thinking and understanding of just about anything to do with the FSU and the FSUW.

Why would an AW need to ask these things? One meeting/date will tell her all she needs to know. Your car, your clothes, where you go, how you pay would give her every bit of the initial financial information she would want to make her decision on whether to continue with you or not.

Gator is bang on as to why threads like this are worthwhile to contribute to. Plenty of guys, who have never set foot in the FSU, have come and gone knowing way more than any of the rest of us will ever be able to grasp with our pitiful intellects.

While a few of them have caught that elusive "clue" and turned their brains on to go forward I have serious doubts that this will be one of those cases.

FWIW,
 Ken

[ambach123]

I have no problems with RW considering financial capablties as one of the primary factors if not the primary factor in their selection process. I expect that. They do it from get go and that is and should be obvious to everyone.

I have a problem with someone naive enough to think they are not or less materialistic than AW.

I guess this board is such that people always comment on the messanger, and not the message.

With regard to my success or lack of it, don't lose any sleep on it.

I gathered about 20 prospects in the past about 30 days or so; I selected them first, they did not write to me initially but they want to meet me. About half of them are from outlying areas and are coming to Kiev on their own dime. They are from Nikolaev and Devenpr or some other places I can't even pronounce. I have stopped collecting because I don't think I can meet with more than 20 in ten days. I would stay in Kiev.

I follow the first commandment, I never pay anyone until we have met.

Some want to show me around town as a " guide " ; no thank you.

Why all these girls are lining up to see me sight unseen? I have a hint, it is not my charming personality.

I don't give them much financial information about myself, except I give them a link to my business website. I own an internet based business, one of the largest in its class in USA.

Having said that I have no illusions; meeting beautiful women is one thing and finding a life partner is another; my record of personal relationships is poor. It is unlikely that I would select anyone on this trip.

[catzenmouse]

I guess this board is such that people always comment on the messanger, and not the message.

I'd have to say that your message has been loud and clear from the get-go. Regardless of how this board is.

With regard to my success or lack of it, don't lose any sleep on it.

Good one! 

I have a hint, it is not my charming personality.

No $hit Sherlock! 

I don't give them much financial information about myself, except I give them a link to my business website. I own an internet based business, one of the largest in its class in USA.

And you look young for your age, don't have any grey hairs, are in tip top shape, and have only dated models before.... 

FWIW I wish you good luck in this. It just seems that you have your mind set in a certain pattern and that is just not going to help you out in the FSU.

[GreginGa]

Ambach123
 You can spend about as much or as little as possible on dates in Kiev. If you're planning on seeing 20 girls in 10 days then it's going to be a circus,but it could be fun to watch. I always tell guys to keep their eyes and options open and dont be afraid to walk away after you realize it's not going to happen with a certain girl. Now that can tact a certain amount of tact but it will need to be done. Your time will absolutely fly by when you meet the right girl. If you meet the right girl it will almost kill you to leave her standing at Boryspil Airport when you are getting ready to board. The good ones and by that I mean the ones that should even be considered will never ask you for a dime. They will never not once insinuate on going shopping or order the lobster. They will almost be offended with you offering to buy them something simple. You can certainly try to impress them with extravagant meals and perfume but at the end of the day your mission is to find a girl that respects you and one that you could see yourself spending the rest of your life with. The girls on the first few pages of Kiev Connections and other agencies have dated hundreds and been on  hundreds of first dates. They will absolutely drain you if you let them. Go and have fun. Dont expect too much too fast and dont fall in love with a stripper. They'll only break your heart as for what I've been told.