FSUW are more materialistic than Western Women

[Gator]

Here is another letter, I have not responded to. This is after a telephone conversation in which I offered to pay $100 or more for an apartment. She is from Kiev and good English.

Did you offer, or state that you will rent an apartment?  Why mention $$$.  As I and others have told you, you are consciously and subconsciously leading with your $$$, and this is not good.

i will reserv for you nice mdern apartment in centre city at centre street for not so expensive price. you not pay 100$ I will find for you for about 50$

if you like i can meet you in airport and show you my city on your trip.


At least she does not want me to spend too much of my money; good quality.

No, what she is doing is trying to take control of your entire 10 days.  Please tell us what she says after you tell her you will meet her only for coffee on Day 6.  I could use a chuckle.

BTW, don't stay in a $50 aprtment if you have women coming in from out of town.  It will be too cramped and possibly a dump.

[Ooooops]

No, what she is doing is trying to take control of your entire 10 days. 

Really?   Hmmmm...   to me this letter came across pretty indifferent, almost a business proposition vs. girl interested in guy.   Especially, if she does have "good English" as stated above.

[groovlstk]

I don't give any financial inormation about me, other than a link to my business website.

Entrepreneurs have an appeal which is universal, it is not just money, we create things.

Yes, I'm sure these women are attracted to your entrepreneurial spirit, not your wallet.

[Gator]

Really?   Hmmmm...   to me this letter came across pretty indifferent, almost a business proposition vs. girl interested in guy.   Especially, if she does have "good English" as stated above.

Ooooops, you are correct in that she could be trying to get an apartment rental commission.  However, the parts about "meeting you at the airport" and "show you the city" are maneuvers to make sure she is first or to make sure she monopolizes his time.

We do not know what level of interest she expressed in their telephone call.  Actually, I preferred women who were reserved such this one.  As I said before, I did not write romantic letters and I avoided women who did.  It is too early.  First, I want to get to know a woman, to learn if we could be friends and whether our goals are aligned.

[dispozo]

I had the same impression as Ooooops in the letter.

I also found both letters not very materialistic..........

[Ooooops]

First, I want to get to know a woman, to learn if we could be friends and whether our goals are aligned.

Ok, lets look at it under the microscope    

if you like i can meet you in airport and show you my city on your trip

Would you write something like that to a friend who comes to visit you/your city?   I wouldn't.   To a total stranger just to be polite - yes.   Plus the commission on appt lease.    

[Gator]

Ok, lets look at it under the microscope    

The operative word is could as in whether we could be friends.  If a call reveals that we have no overlapping interests, don't share a SOH, bore each other, etc. - we will never be friends.  No microscope needed for that.  Of course, becoming friends takes time for which there is no substitute.

Would you write something like that to a friend who comes to visit you/your city?   I wouldn't.   To a total stranger just to be polite - yes.   

Until they meet, they are more strangers than friends.

[Ooooops]

Until they meet, they are more strangers than friends.

I guess that's what evades me - why would anybody invest so much time/money/emotions to go meet a stranger?   

I admit that I don't have any experience in on-line dating, but I've been chatting on chat-boards for more than 10 years now.   And I'd never agreed to meet a person in person from any of those chat boards till I'm sure I'm gonna like him/her.   And I never was wrong so far - I've made lots of real friends from virtual ones.   That's why I don't understand all this visiting unknown people routine...   

[Gator]

And I'd never agreed to meet a person in person from any of those chat boards till I'm sure I'm gonna like him/her.   And I never was wrong so far - I've made lots of real friends from virtual ones.   That's why I don't understand all this visiting unknown people routine...   

That's why so many men do WMVM because they are strangers.  I met more than one, but not more than a couple per week.  So, I too, had to feel confident about our intitial compatibility.

[Gator]

I don't give any financial inormation about me, other than a link to my business website.  Entrepreneurs have an appeal which is universal, it is not just money, we create things.

Yes, I'm sure these women are attracted to your entrepreneurial spirit, not your wallet.

Ambach,

Groovlstk's sarcasm is justified.   These women understand some aspects about business in general and less about business in America.  Your entrepreneurial spirit, even if it were apparent and impressive to an AW, would likely go over their heads. 

What makes you think that yours is apparent and impressive.  Is your life a series of successful and ever bigger ventures?  If not, you are a one-shot wonder.  Do not become intoxicated by one shot.   

[Ooooops]

That's why so many men do WMVM because they are strangers. 

You know where is a flaw in your argument?      You can have lots of friends but only one spouse (well, in our monogamists society  ) !

[ambach123]

Let us look at it from purely business point of view.

In USA, if someone can and wants to pay $100, we would never sell them something for $50; why would she do it.

My website speaks for itself.  I have been an entrepreneur all my life, never had a job working for someone since my college days.

[Ooooops]

In USA, if someone can and wants to pay $100, we would never sell them something for $50; why would she do it.

Sure you will!   Sale!  One time discount!  Closing time!  Ever seen those signs?      Lure you in and then try to sell you something totally unnecessary.   

[Blues Fairy]

ambach, do you really tell them all that you'll be in Kiev for 10 days?  And once they're all there, how are you going to explain that you're not spending the entire 10 days with each of them?

I sense a big ugly storm coming up and you are in the middle of it.

[Ooooops]

ambach, do you really tell them all that you'll be in Kiev for 10 days?  And once they're all there, how are you going to explain that you're not spending the entire 10 days with each of them?

That's what I was asking before but supposedly rising gasoline prices suppose to justify Visit Many routine.   

[ambach123]

BF, according to Jack Bragg, about 85% of the women you meet with will be quickly eliminated; that is the first and the last time you would see them.

The two or three left, I would meet with them again. Then come home and take sometime to reflect and probably go back.

This is the method he rcommends, look over it in the archives; it is nothing that I came up with.

Why JB? GQ thought enough of him to interview him as an authority on the matter. He claims to have advised 2000 AM over the years; and nobody else seem to have a better system.

[Blues Fairy]

You rely too much on other people's advice and too little on your common sense and imagination, if you even have them.

[ambach123]

There is a saying in my language " you don't reinvent the wheel ". It is prudent to learn from other people specially if they are highly experienced.

[dispozo]

In USA, if someone can and wants to pay $100, we would never sell them something for $50; why would she do it.

Maybe you said you didn't want to spend a lot of money........

Maybe a $100.00 is a lot of money to her.......

You both maybe have different opinions on what a lot of money is.

It is hard to tell since we only seeing what she writes you and not what you are writing her....

[LiveFromUkraine]

There is a saying in my language " you don't reinvent the wheel ". It is prudent to learn from other people specially if they are highly experienced.

 


I don't understand why you are arguing with people here who have done what you want to do.  It would seem an intelligent man like yourself would actually listen to people in this thread instead of arguing with them.  




Thomas

[Shadow]

BF, according to Jack Bragg, about 85% of the women you meet with will be quickly eliminated; that is the first and the last time you would see them.
The two or three left, I would meet with them again. Then come home and take sometime to reflect and probably go back.
This is the method he rcommends, look over it in the archives; it is nothing that I came up with.
Why JB? GQ thought enough of him to interview him as an authority on the matter. He claims to have advised 2000 AM over the years; and nobody else seem to have a better system.

Did you discuss this with Jack Bragg directly ? Or are you just taking quotes to fit your needs ?
Jack Bragg organizes trips, where you meet women who are selected through his agency. In this case, the women are informed up front about the people they will meet, and that the men are meeting a number of women.
To me it seems that you are hiding your intentions to meet multiple women from at least a number, if not all, of them.
Regarding the apartment, if know a potential client has been offered a service twice your price, and you can earn money at your price level, would you keep your mouth shut ?

As for a better system, it would probably not suit you to spend a significant amount of time on the 'applicants'......

[GreginGa]

Amback123

You do realize that JB is in the tour business right? Not that there's anything wrong with that but what you're going to do is a little different me thinks. Maybe you should take one of his tours first. I mean you have the money and you obviously are not going to adhere to what anyone here tells you so I personally think that would be your best choice. I'm certainly not trying to get into a pissing contest with JB on the rights and wrongs and opinions of dating women in Ukraine. I am saying his tours are probably a lot more organized than this fiasco you are about to embark upon.

I remember back in 2001 on my first trip. I almost paid $300 to attend a social from AFA or European Connections in Kiev. I actually thought about for about 3 seconds after I called and they gave me the price. I then decided to get dressed,go down to a cafe on the street,have a few beers and talk it up with the ladies walking by. In about 2 minutes I had a nice sincere girl sitting there telling me the history of Kiev. All this was after the fact that I had sent the original girl back to Kharkov after 4 days. There is no one that is considered the foremost authority. There is no exact science. What works for one might not work for the next guy and so on and so forth. All we're asking for is a truthful trip report once you start this endeavor. There is an internet cafe located almost everywhere in the center of Kiev. It's the least you can do since we've tried to help you.

[Ooooops]

In this case, the women are informed up front about the people they will meet, and that the men are meeting a number of women.

That's fair.   

[ambach123]

Here is JB's advise, you can look it up in the archives.

I am paraphrasing it so this may not be exact.

" You don't volunteer that you are seeing other women, if asked you state that you would be meeting with other women, do not need to elaborate on that. Most RW would understand that you did not come all the way from USA just to see her ".

He goes on to say " Any relationship built on the internet is meaningless until you actually meet the lady ". As far as meeting for coffee, it is not only JB but other agency owners have said the same thing, " you keep your initial meeting short and sweet and terminate if you don't want to continue ".

[Jet]

This thread looks like ConnerVT's saying about trying to teach a pig to fly 

As far as meeting for coffee, it is not only JB but other agency owners have said the same thing, " you keep your initial meeting short and sweet and terminate if you don't want to continue ".

Just a quick question Ambach...

Are you SURE the advice of "initial short and sweet meeting for coffee" is contextually accurate when talking about Women who will spend an hour on the bus to get to the train station, where they will ride overnight for hundreds of miles to arrive in Kiev at 6am and kill the 4 or 5 hours until you give them their 15 minutes of fame?

I ask because I was under the impression that this "system" was most effectively implemented when dealing with a single local agency where the ladies could get to and from these interviews quickly, and without much difficulty or personal sacrifice.  :noidea: