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Re: Abortion Issues
« Reply #175 on: July 12, 2008, 06:22:19 PM »
Now we just have to solve the tiniest problem - find that right environment, because I, personally, don't know such Eden where "most people succeed"....  Do you?    :rolleyes2:
That is the problem that is what life provides for each of us.
However we both know that parents are great influence. In cases of divorce or death of parent that follow through is broken and children do not get the same. They sometimes go stray(doing illegal activities) or just not get the same. Everything starts at home! perhaps it would be to educated parents this is the key. Handing out money does not work. Many parents do not know how or can provide the goals for their children. Every individual that I know that went to University or was successful is because he had a mentor (parent or friend) somewhere is his life. 

I wish I had the genie with the answer for you but I do not! I also know that exterminating all prisoners is not right!
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Re: Abortion Issues
« Reply #176 on: July 12, 2008, 07:43:14 PM »
I also know that exterminating all prisoners is not right!

Where did you get that from???   :o

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« Reply #177 on: July 12, 2008, 07:50:44 PM »
Now we just have to solve the tiniest problem - find that right environment, because I, personally, don't know such Eden where "most people succeed"....  Do you?    :rolleyes2:

If everyone would obey me and submit to my will, then there wouldn't be any problems. But the don't. They don't listen to me. And, see what they get?

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« Reply #178 on: July 12, 2008, 08:44:04 PM »
If everyone would obey me and submit to my will, then there wouldn't be any problems. But the don't. They don't listen to me. And, see what they get?
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« Reply #179 on: July 12, 2008, 08:47:19 PM »
Would be interesting to see some criminal records - how many of those in jail were put for adoptions...   :rolleyes2:   Or wouldn't it be better if some of them were not born at all?   :rolleyes2:
just following the thread that getting rid of all for a few bad apples is not the solution, but.. a nice though at times!!

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Re: Abortion Issues
« Reply #180 on: July 13, 2008, 01:38:50 AM »
That is the problem that is what life provides for each of us.
However we both know that parents are great influence. In cases of divorce or death of parent that follow through is broken and children do not get the same. They sometimes go stray(doing illegal activities) or just not get the same. Everything starts at home! perhaps it would be to educated parents this is the key. Handing out money does not work. Many parents do not know how or can provide the goals for their children. Every individual that I know that went to University or was successful is because he had a mentor (parent or friend) somewhere is his life. 

I wish I had the genie with the answer for you but I do not! I also know that exterminating all prisoners is not right!
We should stayed with gaspacho!
However a number of criminals and mass murderers 'confuse' the public because they did have all mentoring and intelligence.
Being a child of single parents is not a recipe for being criminal or distorted either.

What is the usual reason for people to do ilegal activities is because they were not taught limits. If there are no clear limits, people will try to stretch their limit until they reach a point where they find it. When parents do not provide the limits, at some point authorities will.
And it does not matter if the parents are rich or poor, intelligent or stupid. It matters if they teach there are limits to the behavior of their children.
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Re: Abortion Issues
« Reply #181 on: July 13, 2008, 03:48:38 PM »
A Swedish study on criminality of adopted children revealed that the greater predictor of criminality was genetic.  This might support Oooops' argument for eliminating potentially bad people before they're born.  Certainly Hitler and the Eugenicists would have loved it. 

It would seem to me that if we were looking for a strong relationship/predictor we could preemptively arrest people the minute they leave the tattoo parlor since nearly every convict I've seen is tattooed.  :)
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Re: Abortion Issues
« Reply #182 on: July 13, 2008, 07:18:41 PM »
This might support Oooops' argument for eliminating potentially bad people before they're born.  Certainly Hitler and the Eugenicists would have loved it. 

Could you support your words by my exact quote where I am saying that, please?  And if you can't I'm expecting an apology from you for comparing me to Hitler. 

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« Reply #183 on: July 13, 2008, 07:27:35 PM »

It would seem to me that if we were looking for a strong relationship/predictor we could preemptively arrest people the minute they leave the tattoo parlor since nearly every convict I've seen is tattooed.  :)

Well you might as well nuke Santa Cruz, CA every men woman has a Tattoo! You are foreigner if you do not! We used to live nearby and our joke was that it was proof of residence! The local hospital has a community service program for removal of tatoos. That kills your business idea.

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Re: Abortion Issues
« Reply #184 on: July 13, 2008, 07:43:30 PM »
This is just amazing how some people "logically extend" an argument that "not every aborted human would have become good and beautiful; there's as much chance for him/her to have turned out evil and criminal" - to an argument "let's weed out potentially damaged people from the crib, just like the eugenicists suggested".  A nice twist of logic, and not the only such in the arsenal of anti-abortion demagogues.

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Re: Abortion Issues
« Reply #185 on: July 13, 2008, 09:08:24 PM »
Would be interesting to see some criminal records - how many of those in jail were put for adoptions...   :rolleyes2:   Or wouldn't it be better if some of them were not born at all?   :rolleyes2:
Here you go, Oooopsie!
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Re: Abortion Issues
« Reply #186 on: July 13, 2008, 09:16:18 PM »
This is just amazing how some people "logically extend" an argument that "not every aborted human would have become good and beautiful; there's as much chance for him/her to have turned out evil and criminal" - to an argument "let's weed out potentially damaged people from the crib, just like the eugenicists suggested".  A nice twist of logic, and not the only such in the arsenal of anti-abortion demagogues.
Actually Bluesie, you jumped over the fact that Ooopse was reacting illogically to my musing about how many wonderful and talented people never got a chance to enrich the world since Roe v. Wade.  That is not to say all aborted fetuses would have been so talented nor that none would be criminals, yet that's the tack Ooops took.  So the twisting of reason came from Ooops, not me. 

PS - Blues, are you sure you're using the term "demogogue" properly?
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Re: Abortion Issues
« Reply #187 on: July 13, 2008, 09:20:07 PM »
Well you might as well nuke Santa Cruz, CA every men woman has a Tattoo! You are foreigner if you do not! We used to live nearby and our joke was that it was proof of residence! The local hospital has a community service program for removal of tatoos. That kills your business idea.
Not a business idea I would want to be involved in.  Can you imagine the clients?  Who wants to zap a spider off somebody's pelvis? Yuck!
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Re: Abortion Issues
« Reply #188 on: July 13, 2008, 09:23:03 PM »
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Would be interesting to see some criminal records - how many of those in jail were put for adoptions...     Or wouldn't it be better if some of them were not born at all?

Here you go, Oooopsie!

Again - where I said anything about aborting them just in case?   
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Re: Abortion Issues
« Reply #189 on: July 13, 2008, 09:26:57 PM »
Actually Bluesie, you jumped over the fact that Ooopse was reacting illogically to my musing about how many wonderful and talented people never got a chance to enrich the world since Roe v. Wade.  That is not to say all aborted fetuses would have been so talented nor that none would be criminals, yet that's the tack Ooops took.  So the twisting of reason came from Ooops, not me. 

I read Ooooops's comment as a tongue-in-cheek exaggeration, in response to your absurd lament about the wasted potential of all lost sperm+egg combinations in America and beyond. :)  It was you who took her comment seriously and hurried to make a scarecrow of her.   Why don't you chill out already, Ronnie; nobody is going to change their views on this matter just because you persist with your crusade.  

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Re: Abortion Issues
« Reply #190 on: July 13, 2008, 09:32:46 PM »
Oooopsie, Bluesie...    I think our Ronnie is getting a bit touchy...   :D

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« Reply #191 on: July 13, 2008, 09:35:08 PM »
Oooopsie, Bluesie...    I think our Ronnie is getting a bit touchy...   :D
Or, rather, condescending, like an old wise man talking to babbling infants. 

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« Reply #192 on: July 13, 2008, 09:37:14 PM »
Or, rather, condescending, like an old wise man talking to babbling infants. 

Oh, no, don't say word "infant" in this tread - it might take an unpredictable turn!   :o

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Re: Abortion Issues
« Reply #193 on: July 13, 2008, 10:02:49 PM »
Well, I probably shouldn't interject, but in truth, a baby is certainly not "viable" after its born either. I mean, if left unattended, it'll be dead within 36 hours. The litmus test of "viability outside the womb" doesn't tell you much, IMHO. I can't even remember ANYTHING before the age of about 4 yrs old either. Can anyone remember anything from when they were 2 yrs old or less? For anyone that's ever had kids, I can tell you there isn't too much "viable" about a 2 yr old either. LOL

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Re: Abortion Issues
« Reply #194 on: July 13, 2008, 10:14:17 PM »
Well, I probably shouldn't interject, but in truth, a baby is certainly not "viable" after its born either. I mean, if left unattended, it'll be dead within 36 hours. The litmus test of "viability outside the womb" doesn't tell you much, IMHO. I can't even remember ANYTHING before the age of about 4 yrs old either. Can anyone remember anything from when they were 2 yrs old or less? For anyone that's ever had kids, I can tell you there isn't too much "viable" about a 2 yr old either. LOL

I don't think 12 year olds can survive long without an adult's help either.
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« Reply #195 on: July 13, 2008, 10:19:52 PM »
I don't think 12 year olds can survive long without an adult's help either.

Didn't you read Lord of the Flies? 

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Re: Abortion Issues
« Reply #196 on: July 13, 2008, 10:20:17 PM »
This thread has degenerated even further. I figured that was nigh impossible given that it had already become a cesspool. I guess now it has turned into a radioactive waste dump/ecological disaster like several FSU cities. This thread really needs to be moved to the "anything goes" area.
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Re: Abortion Issues
« Reply #197 on: July 13, 2008, 10:35:11 PM »
This thread really needs to be moved to the "anything goes" area.

Why? So people can take the gloves off and say how they really feel about posters with opposite views?

This is one of many hot topics that can make or break relationships. People should be wise and mature enough to discuss it before marriage. It's a long shot to find a compatable person and the odds are even longer for men who do a WOVO unless they thoroughly get to know the lady they want to visit through letter and calls before they commit to an actual visit. Very few people marry the first person they date. they may date 20 people just to find a compatable one for marriage and even so, 50% of the marriages end in divorce. Get to know the person you're marrying so you don't wake up one day learning you married a person with opposite views on hot issues. Before I commited to a visit to my fiancee, this is one of the many hot topics we discussed and I made sure we thought alike on all issues important to me. Of course I learned her thoughts before she learned mine. Just as important, she asked me many questions on various issues important to her too.
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Re: Abortion Issues
« Reply #198 on: July 13, 2008, 10:48:30 PM »
Taz,
Dan put it here.. take it up with him.  :)
I read Ooooops's comment as a tongue-in-cheek exaggeration, in response to your absurd lament about the wasted potential of all lost sperm+egg combinations in America and beyond. :)  It was you who took her comment seriously and hurried to make a scarecrow of her.   Why don't you chill out already, Ronnie; nobody is going to change their views on this matter just because you persist with your crusade.  
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Hi Bluesie
I didn't take the  :rolleyes2: smiley to have the tongue-in-cheek meaning you seem to apply.  I like the  ;) or the  ;D or just the plain old  :)  So are we  8) now? or shall I go sit in the corner and  :'( ?

The nice thing about the internet and I don't have buy a dictionary...Ukh teee! (though I should use the spell checker more often  :D

Main Entry: 1dem·a·gogue 
Variant(s): also dem·a·gog  \ˈde-mə-ˌgäg\
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek dēmagōgos, from dēmos people (perhaps akin to Greek daiesthai to divide) + agōgos leading, from agein to lead — more at tide, agent
Date: 1648
1 : a leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and promises in order to gain power
2 : a leader championing the cause of the common people in ancient times
Oooopsie, Bluesie...    I think our Ronnie is getting a bit touchy...   :D
My dears: I forgive you for not being around during America's Happy Days, but Fonzie, Richie, Pottsie and even Ronnie are all terms of endearment my dears.  So if I call you Bluesie or Oooopsie...it's an American version of Bluesichka or Oooopsik.  (Now, I need just the right smiley.......Oh, here it is..  :kissing:
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Re: Abortion Issues
« Reply #199 on: July 13, 2008, 10:55:35 PM »
So if I call you Bluesie or Oooopsie...it's an American version of Bluesichka or Oooopsik.  (Now, I need just the right smiley.......Oh, here it is..  :kissing:


I'm still waiting for the apology, Ronnichka.   :rolleyes2:

 

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