If I had it to do all over again, I dont think I would even leave the airport in

[Enot]

A woman who sets her primary goal as relocation wants out of Dodge first and foremost; your relationship is, at best, secondary. Your long-term prospects are, at best, murky.

Are you serious? Someone is "good" because they are seeking a bride, or because they are compatible with you? The first is ridiculous, the second so objective as to apply to no one but yourself.

Yes I'm serious.

You either don't understand what I wrote or you are twisting my words.  I'll make it simple.

MY OPINION-
GOOD:  Someone who is COMPATIBLE with me.
SERIOUS: Someone who is OPEN to being married and living in a different country. 

"Serious" women are MORE LIKELY to be found in places other than Russia and large cities of the Ukraine based on MY OBSERVATIONS and the postings of 2 other members.

[HiTech]

groov: You miss read his statement. He was putting two same statements together with the or, not using the or to describe 2 cases of being good.

GOOD:  Someone who is COMPATIBLE with me.
GOOD:  Someone who is COMPATIBLE with the person they intend to marry.

[msmoby_ru]

"Serious" women are MORE LIKELY to be found in places other than Russia and large cities of the Ukraine based on MY OBSERVATIONS and the postings of 2 other members.

.. if you REALLY want to be taken seriously I'd stop "pushing" this opinion of yours too strongly .. We can all quote examples to "prove " a case, but your opinion is just as daft as the guy recommending only Ru and Belarus as a place to search for a FSUW if you are "serious"...

It's all about the individual woman - not where she is - there just seem to be be attractive "available" women in FSU countries

There are plenty of FSU ladies who never get to meet the guys who write - as they had no intention of getting on  the plane !

[Enot]

I'm not pushing my opinion, for the nth time, I'm answering questions.  I think you need to go back a few pages and read what has been written.

First I was acqused of not answering questions, then I answer questions and I'm acqused of pushing my opinion.  What will I be acqused of next ... bei ng a rascist toward RW?

Look it's my opinion, you don't have to accept it.

[Misha]

Look it's my opinion, you don't have to accept it.

An opinion does not necessarily have to be correct. The fact that you have many men here who have married Russian women from Russia falsifies your opinion.

[Enot]

An opinion does not necessarily have to be correct. The fact that you have many men here who have married Russian women from Russia falsifies your opinion.

I never said it was correct, I said it was my opinion.  If you go back and read my past posts, you will also see that I said there are good and serious RW.

Before any more comments/questions are written, please read the history of my posts so I don't have to explain things over.

[msmoby_ru]

I'm not pushing my opinion, for the nth time, I'm answering questions.  I think you need to go back a few pages and read what has been written.

First I was acqused of not answering questions, then I answer questions and I'm acqused of pushing my opinion.  What will I be acqused of next ... bei ng a rascist toward RW?

I've read your opinion, your responses and you made your bed, matey ..

Look it's my opinion, you don't have to accept it.

Er, I don't .. and was "foolishly" hoping you might realise how "silly" your opinion is - it is a an emotion led response - that MIGHT say more about you and your choices or actions....

I should hook you and this Russian "expert" up ..

[Enot]

I've read your opinion, your responses and you made your bed, matey ..

Er, I don't .. and was "foolishly" hoping you might realise how "silly" your opinion is - it is a an emotion led response - that MIGHT say more about you and your choices or actions....

I should hook you and this Russian "expert" up ..

It's your opinion and I accept it and I won't critisize it by calling it foolish because I a bigger man than that.

By the way "Matey" ... my bed is very nice and confortable.  I like it very much.

[msmoby_ru]

It's your opinion and I accept it and I won't critisize it by calling it foolish because I a bigger man than that.

Aw shucks, you nearly made me feel sorry for you... then I remembered how many guys with Russian wifes on here you must be "entertaining"... 

[Misha]

I never said it was correct, I said it was my opinion.  If you go back and read my past posts, you will also see that I said there are good and serious RW.

Before any more comments/questions are written, please read the history of my posts so I don't have to explain things over.

You wrote: "I also want to repeat that there are good women in Russia and the Ukraine but the odds of finding a "good serious woman" to relocate increase if you look else where."

The problem, is that you did not really explain what you mean by odds. How would you rate the odds?

[Enot]

This what I mean by odds.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/odds

[Misha]

In some ways, I agree that you are right, a one-week wonder can go to Moldova and meet a woman willing to marry him and move to the United States. His odds of "success" may be much better than finding a woman who has a good job in Russia.

I believe Olga brought it up, Moldova is a hub of human trafficking. Women, desperate for jobs, are lured by traffickers to go work overseas where they are often forced to work as prostitutes. Under these conditions, I agree that it is much easier to convince a woman to leave Moldava and go to the United States to get married. However, after a few years, when she knows the lay of the land, that motivation will disappear. 

For this reason, I would postulate that the odds are likely much higher that this woman from Moldava will be using their husband as a way to leave Moldova and will divorce him when her permanent residency/citizenship is guaranteed.

[Enot]

My wife was not "traffic" out of Moldova where she worked as a prostitute.  She owned her own business and was very successful.  She raised a son on her own and owns an apartment.  She is very happy as are a few of her friends from Moldova who married American men.

It sounds like you are now generalising and not being serious by calling all women from Moldova poor and/or a prostitute.

Are you so naive that you don't think human trafficing doesn't happen in Russia?

It's women like you that give Russian woman a bad name and the reason I looked elsewhere for a "good and serious" woman.

[docetae]

So many I lost count, at least 10.  I've never heard of any woman canceling a fiancee or spousal visa from Uzbekistan, Belarus, or Moldova.

This is the definition of serious here which the problem. For me a woman is serious if relocation is NOT an important factor in her choice.
The first factor must be the mutual love and this independently from the place where the couple will leave.
Relocation is like fidelity, etc. This is an engagement which is taken by the couple. Not the man or the woman but both.

In large city, the probability that she will meet a good man to build her life is more important, just because of numbers.... All human are resistant to change, this is in our nature. So this is normal she will consider the local men first.

Again, this thread is from MY point of view, empty of meaning because focusing on man or woman when this is a question of COUPLE.

[Misha]

My wife was not "traffic" out of Moldova where she worked as a prostitute.  She owned her own business and was very successful.  She raised a son on her own and owns an apartment.  She is very happy as are a few of her friends from Moldova who married American men.

It sounds like you are now generalising and not being serious by calling all women from Moldova poor and/or a prostitute.

Are you so naive that you don't think human trafficing doesn't happen in Russia?

It's women like you that give Russian woman a bad name and the reason I looked elsewhere for a "good and serious" woman.

Well, first things first, I am a man.

Of course, not all women from Moldava are prostitutes, but the poverty of Moldava does mean that many fall prey to unscrupulous men. The way it works, based on what I have read, is that traffickers put out ads saying that they are recruiting women to work in Europe. Of course, they lie and do not say what kind of work the women will really be doing. In any case, if you do a google search of Moldova and human trafficking, you will be able to read a number of reports by the BBC, OSCE and a host of other news agencies and organizations on the problem.

The point that I am making is that Moldova is one of the poorest women in the former FSU. There are a lot of women who want to leave. Not all women of course want to leave for the wrong reasons, but it certainly would explain why the "odds" would be better to find a woman who would be willing to leave everything behind.

[Diplomacy]

The United States returned 2,000 sex slaves to the Ukraine alone in 2007.  The FSU governments are slowly reacting with more stringent penalties and enforcement in all of the FSU.  I do not have data on the other countries, but this area is also a staging area for trafficking throughout the world.

It is a sad reality for all there, one that I hope is taken more serious and a point of contention for entry into EU. 

The value of human life must be improved on there.  This also goes for the invalid, elderly and orphaned.  There were just wheelchairs delivered to people that had not left their apartments in 20 years.  Aid is often stolen and replaced by inferior goods.  A second hand store is opened and the aid is sold. 

To date we have busted 5 rings in 2007 and law enforcement is in fact starting to cooperate.  There is hope, it is just sad to know it does not need to be this way.

[ScottinCrimea]

When we see that enot took 20 trips in 5 years to Russia and Ukraine and was not able to find a woman who would relocate WITH HIM and Then he goes to Moldova and finds one who is willing, we can easily see how he formed his opinion.  The key is the words WITH HIM.  There was obviously something different about the woman from Moldova that made her willing to relocate when the others would not.  Perhaps they would have been very willing to relocate for another man.  We have had several stories here about women who were not interested in meeting foreign men or relocating until they fell in love.  I think it reflects the quality of the men that they fell in love with.

Maybe what we are seeing is that women from Russia and the larger cities of Ukraine are willing to relocate just as much as anyone else if it is for a man of quality.  Those men who are unable to draw a woman from these areas will blame it on the women and go look in an area where for whatever reason a woman might be more willing to relocate for a lesser quality man.

[Enot]

The point that I am making is that Moldova is one of the poorest women in the former FSU. There are a lot of women who want to leave. Not all women of course want to leave for the wrong reasons, but it certainly would explain why the "odds" would be better to find a woman who would be willing to leave everything behind.

Thank you, and this is the point I was trying to make.  The reason doesn't matter.  So that's 3 members that have agreed that looking in Moldova would increase your odds of finding a "soul mate".  Not only Moldova but any FSU country besides Russia and large cities of the Ukraine.

As far as human trafficing, it has no bearing on this issue since I, or I hope no one, on this forum is invovled in such criminal acts.

[Misha]

Thank you, and this is the point I was trying to make.  The reason doesn't matter.  So that's 3 members that have agreed that looking in Moldova would increase your odds of finding a "soul mate".  Not only Moldova but any FSU country besides Russia and large cities of the Ukraine.

As far as human trafficing, it has no bearing on this issue since I, or I hope no one, on this forum is invovled in such criminal acts.

I did not imply that members on this forum are involved in human trafficking, but when a country is very poor, it is much easier to recruit women under false pretenses to go abroad. These same factors very often encourage women to join agencies and look for husbands abroad. The poverty and lack of options is a strong motivator.

However, even though the "odds" may be better in Moldava because the country is poorer and many women want to leave, this does not guarantee a successful marriage. Though the odds are better she will leave her country, I dare say they would not be better that she stay with her husband in the future. I would prefer a good wife from a country or regions where the odds are bad, that actually wanted to be with me, than a woman who left simply because she wanted to get out. This is the point that many other posters have been making. 

[groovlstk]

Thank you, and this is the point I was trying to make.  The reason doesn't matter.  So that's 3 members that have agreed that looking in Moldova would increase your odds of finding a "soul mate".  Not only Moldova but any FSU country besides Russia and large cities of the Ukraine.

Soul mate??? Enot, you may have members agreeing with you that it's "easier" to convince a Moldovan woman to marry and relocate - I'm one of them - but in that mix is a higher percentage of women who either a) do not love their spouses, let alone consider him a soulmate or b) have as their primary goal a Green card.

 

It's unbelievable sometimes the mental gymnastics guys are capable of when they can't face obvious but harsh truths.

[Enot]

However, even though the "odds" may be better in Moldava because the country is poorer and many women want to leave, this does not guarantee a successful marriage. Though the odds are better she will leave her country, I dare say they would not be better that she stay with her husband in the future.

So now you are saying that a RW is more apt to be a better wife then a woman from Molodva because she wasn't desparate to leave her poor country?  Maybe you also believe marrying a RW gaurentees a "successful marriage"?  Why would you generalize and say such things?  I'm not even close to agreeing with your logic/opinion. 

[Enot]

Soul mate??? Enot, you may have members agreeing with you that it's "easier" to convince a Moldovan woman to marry and relocate - I'm one of them - but in that mix is a higher percentage of women who either a) do not love their spouses, let alone consider him a soulmate or b) have as their primary goal a Green card.
It's unbelievable sometimes the mental gymnastics guys are capable of when they can't face obvious but harsh truths.

And RW don't have these traits you speak of, "do not love their spouses, let alone consider him a soulmate or have as their primary goal a Green card"?  I think you're pretty naive if you believe it.

[groovlstk]

So now you are saying that a RW is more apt to be a better wife then a woman from Molodva because she wasn't desparate to leave her poor country?  Maybe you also believe marrying a RW gaurentees a "successful marriage"?  Why would you generalize and say such things?  I'm not even close to agreeing with your logic/opinion. 

Not at all. There are plenty of desperate Russian and Ukrainian woman - I know, I dated some. They all had one thing in common: they were very eager to move our relationship to a very serious stage much too quickly and were very open to moving to the US.

The more dire a woman's economic circumstances, the more willing she's going to be to marry a guy whom she does not love. It's half the reason why one-week-wonders exist - the other half is that foolish men are slaves to their own vanity and desperately wish to believe that the beautiful puppy they are infatuated with really, truly loves him. 

I'm generalizing no less than you are when you say a guy has a better chance of finding his "soulmate" in Moldova than in large Ukrainian cities and Russia. He simply has a better chance of finding a woman who will agree to marry him. That's all.

[Enot]

So you are saying that marriage with a RW has a higher success rate then a marriage with a woman from  Moldova?

[docetae]

So you are saying that marriage with a RW has a higher success rate then a marriage with a woman from  Moldova?

     We are trying to make you understand since the beginning that the country of origin has nothing to do with the success rate of the marriage. But you will have a higher probability to pick up a green card seeker if your woman is in very bad economic situation, in Moldova, in Ukraine, in Russia or in any developing country.

Solution : Marry someone with a higher or equal worth than yours... you will know that she is not marrying you for the money at least .