Specific Ukrainian Woman

[JR]

I want her, no really....I want her!!!!!


Should I be serious for a moment? Nah! ! ! ....well OK maybe I should. The language thing is a BIG one for me. I've been thru it. My ex taught herself English and I was very proud of her for it but the inability to communicate is a real BIOTCH of a bear-trap you get caught in and it amplifies absolutely every little problem into something major. That is why I would have to say the my number one Must Have is the ability to speak English well.

[Sculpto]

JR, picking a fight with Sandro is just wrong.  I can not think of someone who gives more class and style to this forum.  His sense of culture and wisdom of life experience is highly valued by myself and i suspect many others here.  He is one of the main reasons I have stayed around this forum.  It doesn't matter to me that he hasn't been the FSU.. in fact, that he hasn't may just make him the wisest of us all.

[SANDRO43]

He took me for a ride in his yellow sports car to an outdoor restaurant  deep in the countryside.

Phil, I must sadly announce the demise of the yellow Barchetta you rode in with me - it's on its way to some unspecified Eastern country, and was replaced a month ago by a bottle-green Mazda MX-5 .

[Faux Pas]

JR, picking a fight with Sandro is just wrong.  I can not think of someone who gives more class and style to this forum.  His sense of culture and wisdom of life experience is highly valued by myself and i suspect many others here.  He is one of the main reasons I have stayed around this forum.  It doesn't matter to me that he hasn't been the FSU.. in fact, that he hasn't may just make him the wisest of us all.

Agreed. This isn't a rally cry or character witness for SANDRO because of all the members here he would need it the least. He is without a doubt one of the most intelligent and dignified not to mention helpful members on this forum. The fact he hasn't been to visit a lady is of no consequence. His reasons are his own. In the highly unlikely event I were to someday pass through Milan I personally would feel honored to share a toast with SANDRO FWIW

[Sculpto]

share a toast with SANDRO FWIW

I have been to Italy only once, but, I specifically did not go to Rome and Venice so I would HAVE to go back.  I have been to Milan, and even though it was not my favorite city in the world when I do make a return trip to Italy I will go out of my way to visit Milan again for no other reason than to share some good food and wine with Sandro, if he would welcome me that is. 

[Gator]

Milan is not out of the way. 

In my two trips to Italy with a RW, it was Rome-Florence-Lake Como (an hour from Milan and its major airport).  One trip we added Venice, and the other Sorrento.  Both RW enjoyed Lake Como and the ferry ride to Bellagio.

[SANDRO43]

when I do make a return trip to Italy I will go out of my way to visit Milan again for no other reason than to share some good food and wine with Sandro, if he would welcome me that is. 

Eric, you already intimated that  - I'm beginning to suspect that the dreaded Repetition Syndrome is contagious - and I replied that you'd be quite welcome.

In the highly unlikely event I were to someday pass through Milan I personally would feel honored to share a toast with SANDRO FWIW

FP, too .

Our centrally-located Pinacoteca di Brera (http://www.brera.beniculturali.it/) might be worth a visit if not seen yet - the Brera area with its Arts Academy used to be Milan's Quartier Latin in the 1930s-1950s. Here's one of it most famous exhibits, by Andrea Mantegna.

[JR]

JR, picking a fight with Sandro is just wrong.  I can not think of someone who gives more class and style to this forum.  His sense of culture and wisdom of life experience is highly valued by myself and i suspect many others here.  He is one of the main reasons I have stayed around this forum.  It doesn't matter to me that he hasn't been the FSU.. in fact, that he hasn't may just make him the wisest of us all.

Picking a fight? I think not. Someone has an issue with my sense of humor, tells me to "Get Stuffed" and I am supposed bow down and lick his shoes like some lap dog? Not going to happen.

[JR]

Agreed. This isn't a rally cry or character witness for SANDRO because of all the members here he would need it the least. He is without a doubt one of the most intelligent and dignified not to mention helpful members on this forum. The fact he hasn't been to visit a lady is of no consequence. His reasons are his own. In the highly unlikely event I were to someday pass through Milan I personally would feel honored to share a toast with SANDRO FWIW

Yay! I don't really care.

I am glad that Sandro is held in such high esteem. It is obvious that he is an intelligent and articulate person. That he has never and most likely will never visit the FSU means nothing to anyone except himself. His reasons are his own. That I am visiting makes me no better or worse than him nor anyone else.

That someone doesn't care for my particular brand of humor is quite alright with me. Bakins Robbins has 21 flavors because not everyone loves chocolate.

But please don't expect me to not say something in my own defense or to not retaliate in kind.

[Sculpto]

Sandro.. I know.  Sorry for hitting the repeat button.

JR.. lighten up honey.  Lots of peole here worth arguing with.  Dont get your thong stuck cuz everyone loves Sandro.

[BillR]

i wrote to her for about nine months. she wasn't someone that i wrote to as soon as i got an email from her, so i probably only wrote to her about every two weeks.

as for live chats, i probably chatted with her about four times. each chat was actually quite brief due to the fact that on each occasion i was doing this just before leaving for work.

i don't remember ever specifically doing video with her. i would remember that i think. so nothing significant was spent to do video with her. unlike one or two other girls there that i did lots of video chats with.

and i did buy or one box of candy. i may still have a photo of that.

Please post the candy photos.  They may be exactly like one of mine.

[BillR]

If your goal is to simply chat with Russian women, there are many other options that will let you easily chat with Russian women FOR FREE and meet Russian women online FOR FREE. I would be happy to provide some suggestions as to good ways of doing this.

Go ahead.  What are they?

[BillR]

i don't remember ever seeing any of these "candybox" pics. the one i remember was similar to the "merci" photo.

None of these photos match any I got when "buying" candy for her.

[BillR]

Call me cynical, I assume HRB has that photo archived, and uses it every time a man buys Zhanna a box of candy.   Maybe I am pushing my criticism too far.  Whatever,  listen to Simoni's guidance:

That guidance applies if your correspondence is filtered through an agency on a pay as you go basis.  Remember the Third Commandment:  Work to eliminate any agency from your communications.

As alternatives to agencies, Misha mentioned a number of free resources.  One of RWD's real gentlemen, Jet, met his wife on ICQ 6 years ago.

What is ICQ?

[BillR]

 
I took a good look at the photos with the candy and compared them to the photos on her profile.  I saw a real boredom, tiredness, whatever in her eyes in the candy photos that suggest this was more of a chore for her than an excitement over receiving a gift from someone she pictures as her potential future husband.  I saw a vastly different personality in her eyes in these photos than in her profile photos.  

For once I agree with you.  I rarely see a smile on her face.  Maybe it's her conscience?

[BillR]

 
The Bible is classic literature and even those who are atheists can benefit from its teachings. 
 

Not likely.

[BillR]

Boy you people are really something.  I started this thread becauise I had some doubts about Zhanna, and I wanted to know if anyone had any FACTUAL and ACTUAL experience with her.  I got a few responses that fit that category.  I want to think THEM for staying on-topic.  Then there are the omniscient mond-readers who THINK they know what I am thinking and pronounce judgements on my "REAL" motives.  I cam here for EXACTLY the reason I stated.  I will try once again to repeat what has happened.  A year ago, I started to communicate with Zhanna on HRB.  Now I had not been on this site at the time and I got infatuated over her photos. 

I'm just curious about what about her profile attracted you other than the photo.

I liked that her pictures were in good taste.  Many of the girls on HRB have nude or very revealing photos of themselves.  That seemed to indicate that maybe Zhanna has some class and values.  Also in her profile she stressed the importance of inner beauty as well as outer.  In her original video, which has since been replaced by a newer one, she mentioned reaping what you sow. So she wanted everyone to have a good harvest.  So it was more than just her photos. 

    I did communicate with other women as well.  There was a big difference between how other women wrote me and how Zhanna did.  She came across as a real person with some depth.  The others were either superficial or silly.  Currently there is one girl on HRB, 244671, who keeps sending emails with sexual fantasies about her and me.  In her first email to me, another girl, who doesn't appear to be on HRB anymore, sent a nude photo, that showed about half of her butt.  I thought HRB didn't allow that.  Maybe they are relaxing their rules to drum up more business in this recession.

   However, I was foolish and did not think things through.  I wasn't in a position to visit her.  Also, the recession finally hit me last August, when I was part of a huge layoff.  I stopped writing anyone.  Before that I was having serious doubts about HRB.  I am sick and tired of the popup windows inviting me to chat with all these girls.  Clicking on the close button at the bottom only works for a few seconds.  The only way I can stop them is to individually say "no thanks" to each girl.  Very irritating.  Even Anastasia and Alena's Marriage Agency doesn't have that crap.

   I also began to wonder about the "chats".  The videos did not seem to be live.  And always, Zhanna was talking to someone off camera.  It would always take a long time to get a response on the chats, all the while the meter is running.  Obviously she was "doing" several guys at once.  I asked her once to wave at the camera.  She said she would, but never did.  Obviously not live.  The same was true when I was stupid enough to write back and forth to her when she was logged on.  That got expensive quick.  She would sometimes take a long time to respond.  She was probably talking to several guys at once then too.  Fair enough.  She certainly has the right to shop around if she is serious about finding a husband.

    Still, I enjoyed my communications with her.  Maybe they have some software that analyzes what guys write and then tells them the kinds of things to write back.

    Now for some of the stuff posted on this thread.

The pictures are professional model pictures (check the careful lighting), bad sign.
She is a 'casino employer', which if true means connections with the local criminal world, bad sign.
According to the profile she does not speak a lot of English, probably 'hello'. This means that letters like the one below are translated (read: written) by the interpreter, bad sign.

Three strikes, she is out.

And I did not even start regarding the agencies she is listed with...
Did you get a money request ?

     She sent non-pro pictures to me as well.  Over the course of our communications, she has said she has changed her jobs twice.  Once to a bank, and later to a gift shop.  She may be nothing more than careless in updating her profile.

     With all the conspiracy theories around here, let me throw another one in.  Maybe someone in this thread is interested in Zhanna and is trying to discourage any of the competition.    Wink Wink.  Nod  Nod.
     
      The lesson from all you "experts" seems to be "The better looking a RW/UW is, the less likely she is to be honest.  She can't possibly be unhappy with Ukrainian men.  How's that for stereotyping?

       I stopped writing to her last August because of my situation.  Since then, I stopped getting any emails on Anastasia.   My situation improved in January.  I went on a business trip in late March to Denver.  I remembered Zhanna's birthday was in March.  I had some points left over, so I thought about wishing her a happy birthday.  While I was in my hotel room, a movie started that was filmed in Odessa.  I watched it and later decided to write her to see what would happen.  We have written some off and on.  She has sent pictures of herself to me that I have never seen before anywhere.  Suddenly, even though I wrote to Zhanna on HRB, I am now getting deluged with emails on Anastasia after having had none for months.  So the two must be connected.  Also interesting is that Zhanna/Janetta's profile is no longer on Anastasia as it has been removed "at her request".

So even though I enjoy writing to Zhanna, here are my doubts:

1) video chats seem fake
2) The last time I bought candy for her, she thanked me 2 days later, but the picture wasn't posted by HRB for 10 days.  Maybe the girl in the pics wasn't available for a new phony picture for that long?
3) Zhanna, as Janetta, is also on Alena's Marriage Agency, which makes her having been involved with three of the most disreputable sites around.  To open an email from her ON AMA, costs 19.5 credits.  The max that can happen is 20.
4) I wrote to another girl on HRB, 205610, last year.  I saw her pics on Elena's site so I tried to contact her there, since Elena's is a good site, right?  On Elena's site, Tanya, did not recognize me even though I use the same pics in my profile there as I do on HRB.
5) As I said in earlier posts, I posed as someone else on Alena's, when I saw Zhanna/Janetta there.  What she said to my alter-ego was surprising.  She said she was really interested in him (something she never said to me on HRB).  She also mentioned her big house and swimming pool.  She never wrote back after I commented that she probably wouldn't want to move from Odessa in that case.  I think she realized she made a blunder.

Someone mentioned they thought another girl on HRB was better looking.  I can't find the post now, and I don't remember her id.  I did look it up at the time, though.  She is 24, looks like a little girl, and with her buggy eyes, reminds me of Jessica Simspson with brown hair.

Now for the latest.  I decided the only way to get at the truth was to bypass HRB and write her directly.  That is the advice given here.  I told her I would like to know where to go from here.  I toild her that I wanted her personal email address so we could communicate directly.  I also said my intentions were to come visit her.  I asked he if she were in any serious relationships with anyone else.  It was a test.  She didn't write back for several days.  I decided that was conclusive.  Then she finally wrote on Mother's Day.  She told me about spending time with her mom, attached nother picture and then told me that she IS in a promising looking relationship with another man.  So whether she is being honest, or whether she doesn't want to give up the income she gets from my writing her, the result is the same.  Case closed.

[ECOCKS]

Live and Learn - Better luck next time!

[Aloe]

we don't have mother's day in FSU, so her "spending time with mom" is  either coincedence, or some american faking a FSUW

[Ade]

Live and Learn - Better luck next time!

I'm always amazed when people spend so much money on a system that is obviously a con. People like that tend to be inherently gullible and it takes a lot of "learning" for them to figure it out and it seems that some never do.

[OlgaH]

we don't have mother's day in FSU, so her "spending time with mom" is  either coincedence, or some american faking a FSUW

Mother's Day - last Sunday of November in Russia was founded in 1998. In 2009 it will be celebrated on 29th November 

http://www.calend.ru/holidays/0/0/169/

Mother's Day in Ukraine - second Sunday of May.

http://www.calend.ru/holidays/0/0/416/6/

[Gator]

BillR,

Thanks for sharing the information.  You demonstrated that the 10 commandments work.  

I hope you continue to consider RW and take a trip some day.   When you find a RW who is sincerely interested in you, you will understand why we are so enthusiastic.

[BillR]

we don't have mother's day in FSU, so her "spending time with mom" is  either coincedence, or some american faking a FSUW

Zhanna said she knew it was Mother's Day in the U.S. and since they didn't have it in the Ukraine, she wanted to celebrate it with her mom anyway. 

Mother's Day - last Sunday of November in Russia was founded in 1998. In 2009 it will be celebrated on 29th November 

http://www.calend.ru/holidays/0/0/169/

Mother's Day in Ukraine - second Sunday of May.

http://www.calend.ru/holidays/0/0/416/6/


 

So now we have conflicting information right here in the space of a few minutes.  Who am I supposed to believe, Aloe or OlgaH?

[OlgaH]

Mother's Day in Ukraine

"
13.05.2006 18:10
Press office of President Victor Yushchenko
In a Mother’s Day radio address to the nation, Victor Yushchenko has outlined a demographic program.
He said falling birth rates and the rise in mortality made the government immediately implement reforms in five directions..."

http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/3206.html

http://www.pickupflowers.com/send-mothers-day-flowers-to-ukraine

Mothers Day Dates  around the World
http://www.altiusdirectory.com/Society/mothers-day-dates.html

Mother’s Day Promotion at Flowers 2 Nikolaev .com
http://flowers2nikolaevukraine.com/

[Aloe]

Mother's Day - last Sunday of November in Russia was founded in 1998. In 2009 it will be celebrated on 29th November 

http://www.calend.ru/holidays/0/0/169/

Mother's Day in Ukraine - second Sunday of May.

http://www.calend.ru/holidays/0/0/416/6/

i've never heard of those before, so they must be extremely unpopular then