Specific Ukrainian Woman

[OlgaH]

i've never heard of those before, so they must be extremely unpopular then

I don't know how it is in Ukraine...

In Russia in my region while I was working every year we had the Governor reception devoted to the Mother's Day and we organized free performances 

I guess it is so not only in my region 

Mother's Day in Saratov (400 same events are planned all over the Saratov region)
День матери в Саратове

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In Ukrainian 

10.05.2009 12:00

Прес-служба Президента України Віктора Ющенка (Press office of President Victor Yushchenko)
Звернення Президента України з нагоди Дня матері (Address of the President of Ukraine on the occasion of Mother's Day
http://www.president.gov.ua/news/13704.html

Ukrainian National Informative Agency 
10 травня в Україні відзначається День матері
http://www.ukrinform.ua/ukr/order/?id=805898

День матері
http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%8C_%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%96

[BillR]

Bill, just curious - does any of the text below appear familiar?

Sent From: ZhannC936

Date Sent: 02/19/07 7:05 AM
Date Read: 03/21/07 1:40 PM
Subject: Do we need each other???
Dear Brad,

Nice to meet you!!! Seeing you at this site and looking through your profile makes me feel that you are here to find your second half... Same for me! First thing I would ask you, is why you decided to look for happiness here, at this site??? I can answer for myself: I am not simply looking for a partner, I am looking for a very special person. I know that my Prince is most kind, gentle, caring, loving, understanding man. I know that my Prince is a real knight! I know that he is the one who would treat me like a Princess, who would prove his love to me every day, every minute, every second... I know that this kind of person is not that easy to find, that's why I thought I should try this site also.
If you think that you are the kind of person I am looking for and if you think I am the one for you, please, write me, cause I need you in my life!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sincerely,
Zhanna

If you were married in 2003, why were you writing her in 2007?

[facetrock]

BillR  Thanks for returning and posting. We realize now that you know its all a con. So in the future what are your plans? A little advice, dont start writing to women until you know you are financially able to make the trip and make the commitment. All you will accomplish by doing that is alienating some good women.
  I have noticed RWs and UWs are not nearly as patient for you to come visit as they have been in the past and I dont blame them. Goodluck
 

[BillR]

BillR  Thanks for returning and posting. We realize now that you know its all a con. So in the future what are your plans? A little advice, dont start writing to women until you know you are financially able to make the trip and make the commitment. All you will accomplish by doing that is alienating some good women.
  I have noticed RWs and UWs are not nearly as patient for you to come visit as they have been in the past and I dont blame them. Goodluck
 

Believe me, when I realized I was not in a position to go see Zhanna yet, I was pretty mad at myself.  At the time I thought she was legit, and by leading her on, I was being very unfair to her.  No wonder she was so understanding.  At least I didn't make such a colossal blunder with a genuine RW/UW.

Abraham Lincoln said that nobody has a good enough memory to be a good liar.  I think I have evidence that Zhanna doesn't have a good enough memory.  I thought of some possible damning evidence against Zhanna from our most recent communications.  I will post her exact words.

I wished her a happy birthday on March 25th.  Her response was:

"wow, you remember, Bill? thank you very much!!!!! how have you been? how`s your search?"

My response:

"I am writing this to you from Denver, Colorado. I flew out here on business on Sunday. My hotel room has a beautiful view of the Rocky Mountains. How has your search been going? I did write to you on another site. I hope that was okay. I need to get over being out of work for five months before I attempt to find a partner."

Her response:
"I have met a man recently, he came too visit me, but agin, it didn`t work out;( but I desided not to give up;) yes, I believe that you are doing everything right - firstly you need to settole things with your work, and then - look for a partner.""

Now a few days ago, I asked Zhanna if she was serious about anyone.  Her response:

"oh, to answer your question - yes, I am corresponding with some men currently and approximately since you left our correspondence. and with the one of them I see a real and serious potential."

Does anyone besides me see the contradiction there?  I "left our correspondence" last August.  So according to her most recent claims, she met someone soon after I stopped writing in August.  But earlier she said that she thought she found someone but it didn't work out.

[Shadow]

It does not seem like a scam at all, and I believe that you just wore out her patience.

[BillR]

It does not seem like a scam at all, and I believe that you just wore out her patience.

So you read all the info on this thread and all you can come up with is "I wore her out"?  I suppose, then, every person who has ever contacted her has worn her out.

[Shadow]

So you read all the info on this thread and all you can come up with is "I wore her out"?  I suppose, then, every person who has ever contacted her has worn her out.

That is very well possible. Ask any pretty woman on a dating sites and you will hear a lot of stories about what men they met.

[Sculpto]

Bill..
The woman exists.. she is a human being and her name might be Zhanna.

However, she is not the person you have been communicating with on HRB or any other site.

Her agency is NOT HRB.  Her agency is Orchid and they can place girls on any site they wish.  The other girl you posted, starbright, is also an Orchid girl.  You can tell from the photos.

[facetrock]

BillR do you have her personal email or does it still cost you to communicate with her?
All women that are really serious about you will want to communicate with you through your personal email. Serious women dont want an agency meddling with their personal life anymore than you do.
  I believe agencys days are numbered. As more women have their own computers they no longer need one. Plenty of free sites for them to go on and exchange any information they want with any man.
 


 

[Sculpto]

BillR do you have her personal email or does it still cost you to communicate with her?
All women that are really serious about you will want to communicate with you through your personal email. Serious women dont want an agency meddling with their personal life anymore than you do.
  I believe agencys days are numbered. As more women have their own computers they no longer need one. Plenty of free sites for them to go on and exchange any information they want with any man.
 
 

He will not get her personal info.  Orchid will prevent it from happening.  They want men to come to Odessa or any other city where they have an office so they can bait and switch.

On one hand i agree agencies days are numbered.. its just not needed anymore.  But, how do you explain the massive revenues of HRB and the other major sites if the business model isn't working?

Actually i think it is wishful thinking that agencies are outmoded.

[facetrock]

P.T Barnum said there is a sucker born  every minute. There are alot of minutes in a day and a month and a year. I would say the honest agencys in the whole of the former FSU could be counted on maybe one hand.
  The only way the business model will really work is by scamming. I would say the honest agencys struggle to make ends meet. But hey, if your not honest, who really cares who writes the letters and most WM cant tell the difference until they become educated and have spent 100 to 1000 dollars. Its easy money to pay a girl 2 dollars an hour to type letters that cost 5 to 10 dollars to read. My God it is tempting:))
 

[BillR]

BillR do you have her personal email or does it still cost you to communicate with her?
All women that are really serious about you will want to communicate with you through your personal email.   


 

No, I don't and that was my test to her.  When I said I wanted to get it, all of a sudden she has someone she is serious about.  That was AFTER she said a few weeks back that one guy came to see her, but it didnt work out.  Read my earlier post about it.  She was still looking back in March, but now she says she had been conversing with someone that she met AFTER I stopped writing to her last August.

Added to that, I have been watching on HRB and she is onlne every day most of the time.  How could she do that and have a job and sleep?  I guess they have shifts at Orchid with different people posing as her.

[facetrock]

Bill, it should be so obvious that this is all a scam, you should put this to bed and chalk it up as experience. Save your money and make a plan. Stay away from agencys and use sites like Elenas models, freepersonals and luckylovers. Might cost you a membership but it is far cheaper than paying by the letter. There are other sites too, I dont know them all. Be wary of the women that are more beautiful than God and twenty years younger than you. Unless you look like or are Brad Pitt, then go for it:))

[Daveman]

Bill, it should be so obvious that this is all a scam, you should put this to bed and chalk it up as experience. Save your money and make a plan. Stay away from agencys and use sites like Elenas models, freepersonals and luckylovers. Might cost you a membership but it is far cheaper than paying by the letter. There are other sites too, I dont know them all. Be wary of the women that are more beautiful than God and twenty years younger than you. Unless you look like or are Brad Pitt, then go for it:))

It seems to me that he's already put it to rest in his own mind, and now just adding his thoughts to the thread, which is exactly what this thread needs. THe more people who expose the nature of the beast, and especially the thread starter, investigating it for himself, and drawing the conclusion that he was being played, man, htis is a jewel for other readers. Truly.

Rock on, Bill, you came, you saw, YOU conquered the scam with your tenacity and your gut instinct which brought you here - both served you well...  maybe you got taken for a penny or two, but if you had continued to the visit, it would have been for pounds. Kudos to you for sharing not only the experience, but your thoughts as well.  I think it can be extremely difficult for us who have around this for a while to really remember what newbie eyes can and cannot see.  What you and Sculpto, and others have added to this thread is great. 

If you still have your membership at Elenas, chase a few there... also as mentioned, use Skype and ICQ (these are programs/services you download, install, sign up, and type/voice/video chat with people from around the world, and really, a multitude of FSU ladies are there.

And hang around, throw some ideas around here...  and I too hope you aren't going to give up on FSU women because of this.  Good luck, and thanks. 

[facetrock]

BillR, that is very good advice from Daveman. Keep working on it, you will get where you want to be.

[BillR]

.  The other girl you posted, starbright, is also an Orchid girl.  You can tell from the photos.

Yes, I realize Tanya is in the Orchid agency.  She is also on Elena's.  Her id number on Elena's is 7720241.

[Ooooops]

You have to laugh man, it's funny!

I'm not sure about it....    If a man has superimposed muscles in his avatar picture, cries "I want Zhanna, Yanna, Blabla" every ten posts, talks about himself as "god'sentpresent to women" etc...   makes someone wonder that may be his ex-wife (Russian, btw) was right to divorce him... 

[Ooooops]

How on earth could anyone not to learn Russian in school in times of common economy ...

Well, here is an example for you - we had 2 boys from Azerbaijan in our group in college (Moscow) .   One didn't speak Russian at all and another one had very limited Russian.   Have no idea how they passed the placement tests...   Well, I actually do - probably bribed somebody...       Anyway, they flanked out after the first semester, but still - that's an example of "
How on earth could anyone not to learn Russian in school in times of common economy".   

[HiTech]

There is also a large difference between humor and trying to humiliate some one. Posting the "I want ..." once can be funny. Posting it repeatedly just becomes annoying, only funny to the poster,disruptive of the thread,and an attempt at trying to humiliate the OP.

HiTech

[JR]

I'm not sure about it....    If a man has superimposed muscles in his avatar picture, cries "I want Zhanna, Yanna, Blabla" every ten posts, talks about himself as "god'sentpresent to women" etc...   makes someone wonder that may be his ex-wife (Russian, btw) was right to divorce him... 

Tsk, Tsk, Tsk Ooooops. I don't superimpose anything on my photos. When I return from Moscow you can ask Lily if I am the man in the photo or not. Or we can meet, have a pleasant dinner and you can say if I look like my stolen photo or not

BTW, when I say things like "I want Ooooops!' or "I am God's gift to women." It is in jest. I think having a good sense of humor is vital and being able to laugh at one's self is important.

[JR]

      With all the conspiracy theories around here, let me throw another one in.  Maybe someone in this thread is interested in Zhanna and is trying to discourage any of the competition.    Wink Wink.  Nod  Nod.

That would be me! Hehehehehee!

But seriously BillR, I think that you waited far too long to make a trip. If you had gone sooner maybe you would be the "promising relationship."
My guess is that the "promising relationship" always comes when someone tries to go beyond her preset limits. You know you can still go and meet some other ladies which might hold your interest and perhaps have a pleasant lunch with Zhanna. Then you can come back and tell us all if she is real or not. Either way it would bring closure for you.
All I ever saw here was that in the beginning of this thread people with real life experience in dealing with this very same secnario were trying to give you some solid advice. But you seemed to only want reinforcement of your 'dreams.' So people stopped taking you seriously.
I hope you don't give up because I think you heart is in the right place but we all tend to get carried away a little. I hope the best for you.

[Sculpto]

BillR..
I am really glad you have come to your senses about Zhanna and her scam agency Orchid.  I think you see now you have saved yoruself from a world of heartache.

I want to point out some minor flaws in yoru thinking that in my opinion you need to excorsize from your thinking.

Watching what is going on at HRB will only drive you mad.  You are right, Zhanna is on all the time, however, it is not what you think.  It IS her agency signing on to respond to her correspondence.  Even though it is a highly flawed site, one of the protections they do have is that the girls are not allowed to make their profiles "private" which the men are allowed to do.  So, when the agency signs on to download the girls messages and upload replies it does appear that she is online.  I suspect if you see her at any of these times and send a chat message there will be no response because it is not her.  This is no secret about HRB and if you ask customer service they will tell you the same thing.

In regards to your recent correspondence with her.. it too is fake!  Get it in your head.. she did not read your letter of happy birthday and she did nto send the replies.  Those were directly from the agency and whoever her terp or terps are.  It is unlikely she knows you sent a message.. or, if she does it was just one of the dozens of birthday wishes, boxes of chocolate and bundles of flowers that were sent.  Some sucker probably sent her a spa certificate too.  Then there will be a modelling session with all that chocolate and some different flowers that will be sent out to all the poor men who wasted their money.

So, do the smart thing.  Remove your profile from HRB.  If you have any other correspondences going on you may wish to send those ladies a message telling them why you are leaving.  Tell them HRB/Zolushka is a scam and even though you like "her" you will not communicate through the site.  Don't be surprised if more than a few end up disappearing.  But, the most important thing is to remove your profile and if you insist on spending money to correspond do it via EM or any of the other confirmed and verified sites where scams are not going on.  Remember, the girls are members of local agencies, these local agencies can place the girls images almost anywhere.. if you see  a girl on more than one site with the same photos it is 99.9% sure that she is not aware of it and that it is her local agency that is posting her.  So, even if you wrote to Zhanna on HRB or any other site you would still end up with Orchid and therein lies the problem.  Keep that in mind.  I think EM is probably the only big site where that doesn't happen and I am not sure about that.

Best of luck to you and stay positive. 

[BillR]

BillR..
    Tell them HRB/Zolushka is a scam and even though you like "her" you will not communicate through the site.  
Best of luck to you and stay positive. 

No, I know she can't be on all the time, so I realize something fishy is happening.

Who, or what, is Zolushka?

[Sculpto]

its not really fishy that her profile is on all the time, except that it indicates how much correspondence she is generating.  "She" is "communicating" with a lot of different men.  Her terp is writing all of them to earn her commissions.

Zolushka is the russian language side of HRB.  It is where the girls sign on.  Most of them don't know the site is called HRB or RLM. 

[JR]

Zolushka is the russian language side of HRB.  It is where the girls sign on.  Most of them don't know the site is called HRB or RLM. 

This is true of Scanna also. Every woman I have asked says she "sees" me on date.ru. From my side I see them all as scann.com...