TR: Barnaul/Tver, Russia

[Simoni]

Well, Well, Well...... After reading Tatiana's side of this little "story", it appears that the "RWD ANOINTED ONE'S" may have a little "egg on their face".

You know the one's who rushed to Jerry's side when people like GoodOlBoy, SMS60 and Misha started to ask questions about this whole TR at the beginning pages?

Yes, back when the whole back slapping, good job, atta-boys were being handed out to Jerry and then people like myself..."THE MENTAL MIGETS" were being told (in a condescending tone) that our questions were insignificant.

Gee.... Is it possible that somebody wasn't telling the "whole truth".  

Maybe before a member is allowed to come on this forum and smear/slander a business owner (Russian Pearls), the ADMIN (Dan) should contact the business owner and allow them to post a rebuttal to scurrilous accusations.

For me personally, if somebody came on this forum and started to write unsavory things about my business here in Miami, instructing thousands of people not to use my business, I can assure this forum I would not be as polite in my rebuttal as Tatiana has been.

Keep up the good work Tatiana.


GOB

Keep up the good work Tatiana, you say ????

Man, how do I start?   

First, you were a Marine?   Used to be once a Marine always a Marine.  And Marines do not leave their men behind.

And that is what you are doing when you take the word of a foreign marriage agency over the word of one of our own!   Yes, you have Jerry's words.  And you have people who know him who vouch for him.  But you choose to believe the agency.

Let me tell you about agencies in Russia.  MOST are dishonest.  Most will doing anything to make a buck.  Here is RWD, it is common for agencies to come and try to do damage control when revelations are made about them.  This just follows the pattern.   Me?  I am not anti-agency.  I met my wife via an agency.  But I know from experience that most agencies in the fsu are corrupt.

Second, you call yourself GOB?  I know GOBs, and you are not one.

You might want to change your name to something like *ussy-wuped?

[GoodOlBoy]

.......the word of one of our own!   

"our own"  :noidea:

And you have people who know him who vouch for him.  But you choose to believe the agency.

Yes and some of these same people have "VOUCHED" for this "BAD" Russian agency also?



BTW SIMONI......I have seen some of the "esprit de corps" on this forum (ask LAW).  


GOB

[Daveman]

There is no sense in a man coming in here and spouting off nonsense about one agency, while giving kudos to another.  It seems there was obviously a difference in expectations.  Russian Pearls has received many good reviews around the net (do a search for yourself).  Jerry has references who have met him, understand his character and give him good reviews as well.  

The lesson here would be: if you use an agency, make your expectations absolutely clear to the agency. Don't assume anything.

From what I saw, the disagreement in this thread wasn't about his "review" of RP, but rather about the number of trips.  

Seems much ado about nothing overall with the clash of opinions inevitable.

[UTRO]

Jerry has references who have met him, understand his character and give him good reviews as well.  

This is true. But would these same people introduce him to their Sister or their Wife's Best Friend?
I mentioned my Best Friend in my first post in this thread. He's 46, single and has never been married. He's good looking, intelligent and successful. I love him like a brother and overall he's a great guy. But, for the life of me I would never introduce him to any woman I know! His indecisiveness about everything and his constant worry about life and relationships drives me up the wall He's the type of guy who would go to a Russian Dating Agency and then fuss and worry throughout the entire trip wondering if he's being Scammed.

[OlgaH]

I just read through some of your old posts...
   
Re: TverRomance« Reply #106 on: September 28, 2006, 07:08:48 PM

I am interested in meeting with about 13 women in TR, likely more (emphasis on MEETING, as in to see which woman I am the most compatible with

Were you going to meet all 13 women during one trip? If so, sorry, I doubt the process of finding "the most compatible" in such a short period...  

I understand that you use the word "game" metaphorically. But I got the impression that the dating process is just a game for you, and all these women  that you met during one of your trips were like the cards...

And I plan trips.  And I go on the trips.  And maybe, just maybe someday it will work out...

So rivardco, to borrow one of your terms, in "essence" The Real Allure is about "hope" and it is this "hope" that keeps me in this game.

Best to all,

Jerry

I feel better about it all and if there's one thing I've learned THE HARD WAY in my FSU experience, it's that you can't harp on a subject like this (the smoking issue, etc.).  If you do, you're pretty much guaranteed to turn them off.  And once you do that, it's G-A-M-E O-V-E-R with these women.  There aren't many second chances in the FSU, hell I'd say none at all because there certainly haven't been any in my experience.

Jerry

Then she starts telling me about how she doesn't want children.  Oh boy, game over.  How did this date get arranged?  

 Olga wants to know how the dates went last night so we spend a few minutes talking about that.  "Let's make a game plan for today" I say to her, after which I get a "what's a 'game plan'?" response.  

  All too soon the time comes to go outside and wait on Nataliya, the aforementioned final date.  She arrives and looks quite different from her photos, which were/are admittedly old.  I do a gut check and decide that it's game over right here, right now.

Who knows why Natasha refused you to meet the two women in her agency, may be she really had a good reason for it and her "...it is contradictory to our policies" was a polite refusal.

The answer is that she refused my offer to have individual meetings with the two women in her agency in whom I had an interest because, and I quote, "...it is contradictory to our policies."

Yeah I think it was good that Natasha refused because I was so busy as it was that to meet other women would have been considerably difficult.  It could have been done I think, after all I did have some free time in the mornings but only a couple of hours maximum.
Best to all,

Jerry

Tatiana's advice to spend more time with a woman was really very good for you. BTW even if she mentioned a resort, I can tell that there are nice resorts in Barnaul. You don't need to stay in one room, prices are not so expensive and a woman can afford to pay for herself. But these even three days together (enjoying nature and sport activities) can be very useful.

But of course if your goal is to meet more women you don't have so much time for a one woman.

Tatiana, keep up the good work

[GoodOlBoy]

In other words the agency (WRONGLY) sniffed you out as a Sex Tourist and refused to help you add more women to your score card.
GOB

OlgaH,

I made this statement on the first page of this thread and I still think I may be right.

Remember 23 trips in 4+ years, meeting hundreds of RW?

This behavior has to be suspicious if you are a "dating agency" owner in Russia.


GOB

[Simoni]

Were you going to meet all 13 women during one trip? If so, sorry, I doubt the process of finding "the most compatible" in such a short period...  

I don't know how many times we have to debate this.  As a staunch advocate of VM (visit many), let me say it again.  Guys--do meet a lot of girls.  Make it as simple as a coffee date.  Then, if you should have have chemistry with one, then write the multiple letters and hundreds of texts and visit only her the next trip.

To try to force "compatibility" by going to a resort in the mountains with one girl for three days is sheer folly.

[Simoni]

BTW SIMONI......I have seen some of the "esprit de corps" on this forum. 

Yes, it does exist in many cases. The essence of RWD is when this group of people pull together persistently and consistently to provide good direction for men in the search.   And when it does, it is great.

Sometimes, we will disagree.  But hopefully, we can do so with reason guided by intelligence.

[Vinnvinny]

Make it as simple as a coffee date.  Then, if you should have have chemistry with one, then write the multiple letters and hundreds of texts and visit only her the next trip.

… and if she’s your first date then tell her that although she’s worthy multiple letters and hundreds of texts you’ll be sending her in the next few months you don’t want to see her again this trip as you want to meet another 12 girls just in case someone better comes along. Alternatively, get the relationship off to the best possible start and lie like sh*t to her.  She’s a foreigner, she’s desperate, she’ll never know.

[OlgaH]

I don't know how many times we have to debate this.  As a staunch advocate of VM (visit many), let me say it again.  Guys--do meet a lot of girls.  Make it as simple as a coffee date.  Then, if you should have have chemistry with one, then write the multiple letters and hundreds of texts and visit only her the next trip.

To try to force "compatibility" by going to a resort in the mountains with one girl for three days is sheer folly.

I'm not talking about forcing "compatibility", but I think it is very folly to think that meeting 13 or more women during a trip will help to find "the most compatible", I always consider such "seekers "to be not serious.

Some people just not able to develop long-term relationship making different accuses ... they will simply jump from one relationship to another. Such games absorb them as the casino games absorbs gamblers and they cannot stop.  

Chemistry, btw, can be very unreliable thing, it can happen with a first latter an photo and fly away at the first meeting face to face, as it can happen at the first meeting face to face and fly away after  the multiple letters and phone calls...  

[Simoni]

Alternatively, get the relationship off to the best possible start and lie like sh*t to her.  She’s a foreigner, she’s desperate, she’ll never know.

Some guys have this ALL wrong.  It is just a date, like at home. 

You are just meeting her and talking.

You owe her nothing and she owes you nothing.  No lies exist.

Get real, Vinny.

[GoodOlBoy]

I think it is very folly to think that meeting 13 or more women during a trip will help to find "the most compatible", I always consider such "seekers "to be not serious.

OlgaH,

My RW (Marina) said the same EXACT two words (not serious) in her description of this thread about dating 13 or more women on one trip to Russia.



GOB

[Simoni]

I'm not talking about forcing "compatibility", but I think it is very folly to think that meeting 13 or more women during a trip will help to find "the most compatible", I always consider such "seekers "to be not serious. 

Olga, I was serious and that is exactly what I did.  After several WOVO trips that were a waste of precious time, I used a local agency to set up dates with a dozen girls.  Most of them I had never written, but I liked their profiles.  The agency contacted them and asked "do you want to meet this man?"   Neither of us had any investment.   It was just a coffee date.

And yes, in an hour I can tell if I like the girl and if I want to see her again.  I did "click" with one girl, and did get to know her via emails and phone conversation and texts over the next few months, and then met only her on my next trip.

I'm not going to argue that WOVO can work. But I know for a fact that getting to the city and simply meeting girls works, too.  And better, IMHO.

[groovlstk]

FWIW,

When I met my wife for the first time, I knew within minutes that she was extraordinary and I wanted to spend all my time in Moscow with her and her alone. I'm sure I'm one of many married guys who've experienced this.

Some guys may have acted differently (and yes, some guys may lose good women this way), but that's their business. In Jerry's case, he's an adult, a grown man, he's fully capable of dating who he wants, when he wants, and how he wants. He's not a sex tourists and from everything he's written (and this is supported by the agency owners who've posted here) he's behaved like a gentleman.

I get the impression that some of you folks are like the uncool parent on prom night who wants to make sure it's the most sterile, boring affair possible 

[OlgaH]

Some guys have this ALL wrong.  It is just a date, like at home. 

You are just meeting her and talking.

You owe her nothing and she owes you nothing.  No lies exist.

Get real, Vinny.

- Dear Maria, we have just a meeting. Let's not waste time. I have next meeting in 4 hours with other gal. So what is your credo?

- Dear John, I appreciate your honesty, but better to stop here. I don't want you to miss your next meeting.

No lies exist and both get real  

[Vinnvinny]

Make it as simple as a coffee date.  Then, if you should have have chemistry with one, then write the multiple letters and hundreds of texts and visit only her the next trip.

Some guys have this ALL wrong.  It is just a date, like at home. 

You are just meeting her and talking.

You owe her nothing and she owes you nothing.  No lies exist.

Get real, Vinny.

I am real Simoni but given the scenario you are advocating and the fact that many men can only travel maybe once or twice a year, then I think you’re offering real bad advice. And what about the girl if she really likes the man? Do you think that she will view him as just a date, just like at home? Don’t her views or wishes get any consideration?

[Vinnvinny]

And Simoni, I’m not advocating WOVO trips as I agree with your view on them and of course there no reason for you not to see other ladies whilst you’re on the ground. But, to suggest you should avoid meeting a girl for the 2nd time until you’ve gone back home and exchange many emails and texts is, IMHO, pure bonkers.

[Simoni]

But, to suggest you should avoid meeting a girl for the 2nd time until you’ve gone back home and exchange many emails and texts is, IMHO, pure bonkers.

Oh, if you meet someone you like, then of course I would say drop everything and see them again for the rest of your trip.  In fact, that is what I did on the trip I met my wife.

[Daveman]

OlgaH,

My RW (Marina) said the same EXACT two words in her description of this thread "not serious".


GOB

GOB
I don't see how "not serious" would be an issue, after all, he did speak very candidly about two petitions he didn't break.  Of course then he took flack that he should have seen that coming, that there would be obvious 'red flags' which would have been present but he was too stupid or gullible or blind to see them.

I think there is simply too much dissection and not enough real information to draw conclusions in any direction.

Really, in a perfect situation a man would travel over to FSU, settle down for several months and just date.  He wouldn't be heading out to "meet many", but would meet a girl, hit it off or not, meet another, etc etc, when he found one who piqued his interest, then he'd focus on her.  Dating a few times, working into some serious 24/7 time together..  everything progressing at a completely natural pace.  But for how many is this feasible?

So we compromise between perfection and reality.  The schedule is compressed so we make adjustments in our normal dating behavior to accommodate the situation as it exists.  The method of these accommodations is up for debate again and again and again, but in the end, each man (and woman) does his best within his/her comfort zone to find a compatible partner and real love.  I still say all of this is a bunch of nonsense over nothing.  

Ultrobina:
I see your point and you could be correct that Jerry is similar to your friend. I have NO idea.  I don't know the man personally and have only the words of those who do know him.  The fact that he's had two serious petitions that he didn't cancel would lend credence to the hypothesis that he has no trouble with commitment but rather a longer process finding the right lady according to his vision of who she would be.  

Personally I have been a WMVO guy with the firm belief that if there was no chemistry with the one I'd have absolutely zero trouble meeting others after I'm there. The most recent lady was pretty much a WOVO from the start.  However, I don't define my way as the best way, nor do I even recommend it.  You gotta go with what you're comfortable with... if it doesn't work then analyze the situation, make adjustments, and go for it again.  As with any venture, the only failure is giving up, and the only stupidity (as Two Bit said correctly) is missing the lesson.

Anyway, I am curious as to when the fat lady is going to sing on this one... someone poke her in the butt and get her on the stage.

Dave

[Vinnvinny]

Oh, if you meet someone you like, then of course I would say drop everything and see them again for the rest of your trip.  In fact, that is what I did on the trip I met my wife.

... and go up the mountains together for a few days? 

[Simoni]

... and go up the mountains together for a few days? 

LOL :-)

No, my girl would not have moved so fast, and didn't.

[GoodOlBoy]

Oh, if you meet someone you like, then of course I would say drop everything and see them again for the rest of your trip.  In fact, that is what I did on the trip I met my wife.

SIMONI,

I know I am going to be sorry for asking this question, BUT, what do you do with the other 12 RW that are waiting for you?

How do you politely "drop" all 12 of them?


GOB

[Vinnvinny]

... but in the end, each man (and woman) does his best within his/her comfort zone to find a compatible partner and real love.

I agree but the point I am making is maybe it would be an idea if Jerry revaluated his own comfort zone because it sure looks to me like he's getting nowhere fast (or very slowly) using his current one. That’s not flaming, torching or anything else to do with fire.   Just an opinion.

LOL :-)

No, my girl would not have moved so fast, and didn't.

I was refering to Jerry if he met such a girl, not you. 

[HiTech]

They one thing I have learned from this trip report. Creating a trip report it not worth the flack you get from the peanut gallery at RWD.

HiTech

[GoodOlBoy]

They one thing I have learned from this trip report. Creating a trip report it not worth the flack you get from the peanut gallery at RWD.

HiTech