There are no dishonest agencies!!!

[BC]

Much is heard about 'dishonest' agencies..

We strive to discover and strike them down.

But in the end, considering that they do serve a good purpose for 99% of men that never get on a plane in the first place isn't it a bit unreasonable that the 1% should complain so much about such
'disservice'?

In my business I would love to have a 99% customer satisfaction rate, and that is exactly what is being provided.

Is this all just a customer / service mismatch?

For 50K USD, I'd bust my butt finding the right woman for the right man.. for 5 bucks a letter.. well screw you.

I say you're getting exactly what you are willing to pay for.

[GoodOlBoy]

Oh man BC, now you have done it ! 

The "wrath" of the "Anointed One's" is about to strike you down. :evil:



GOB (aka: Mental Midget)

[BC]

Oh man BC, now you have done it ! 

The "wrath" of the "Anointed One's " is about to strike you down. :evil:

GOB

GOB,

I'm looking forward to it.. I have another week without wifey around so am quite ready for it.

Believe it or not, I don't think this topic will go far.. there's just too much truth involved and truth is hard to fight.

Roast me Baby!!!

[Daveman]

Oh man BC, now you have done it ! 

The "wrath" of the "Anointed One's" is about to strike you down. :evil:



GOB (aka: Mental Midget)

And the "Hominy Clowns" will venture forth to conquer the injustice of seriousness! 

. for 5 bucks a letter.. well screw you.

I say you're getting exactly what you are willing to pay for.

Hey, it's a cheap date with guaranteed successful evening ending activities.. 

Davemon (aka "Jamaican Village Idiot")

[BC]

And the "Hominy Clowns" will venture forth to conquer the injustice of seriousness! 

I like grits..

[SMS60]

This is a very true statement.

Finnally a topic to stimulate the nerve ends of the brain. ( for the mental midgets)

The customers ability to see clear is what detemines weather an angency is dishonest.

What the customer is expecting in his mind also determines weather he sees it as dishonest.

When things dont go good then you have to blame someone.

The agencies always give vague information. If you can look at it with a clear mind you will be able to distiguish weather you should to business or not.

[Vaughn]

Well, BC, you make an interesting point....  for those seeking fantasy and who never intend to travel,
I'd say the dream-peddlers are doing a fantastic job. Hard to argue a with 99% satsifaction rating.

The ones who cry Foul ought to have considered researching agency ethics, fielding recommendations
based on performance, networking with satisfied customers....  rather than instantly focusing on a photo or
two - and gladly lining the wallet of whoever purveys the promise attached to the graphic.

   

[GoodOlBoy]

 


GOB

[ScottinCrimea]

I don't see why you can't sell fantasies in an honest fashion.  Heck, millions go to Disneyland to enjoy a day of fantasy but you don't see Disneyland trying to convince them that it's real.

[Vaughn]

.... you don't see Disneyland trying to convince them that it's real.

To the children, it's very real. With prices to match their means.

[BC]

I don't see why you can't sell fantasies in an honest fashion.  Heck, millions go to Disneyland to enjoy a day of fantasy but you don't see Disneyland trying to convince them that it's real.

Good point Scott..

Even Disneyland is selling an illusion..

You really don't believe that Mickey Mouse is real or?.. Try to convince your kid otherwise..

If there is one reason I go to Disneyland it is for the kids and not myself.

"real" or not.. Is there a big difference between the kid and grown kid on the couch?

Both are looking for that illusion

[BC]

Well, BC, you make an interesting point....  for those seeking fantasy and who never intend to travel,
I'd say the dream-peddlers are doing a fantastic job. Hard to argue a with 99% satsifaction rating.

The ones who cry Foul ought to have considered researching agency ethics, fielding recommendations
based on performance, networking with satisfied customers....  rather than instantly focusing on a photo or
two - and gladly lining the wallet of whoever purveys the promise attached to the graphic.

Vaughn,

How does one research agency ethics?  I'm basically saying that there are no ethical agencies for the 1%.. that they simply do not or cannot (co) exist.

[ScottinCrimea]

I think it's one thing to sell fantasies and another thing to sell lies.

[BC]

I think it's one thing to sell fantasies and another thing to sell lies.

Who is lying.. the man that will not fly or the woman willing to entertain him?

Lets face it, when it comes to fantasy, it's an open game for both.

[Misha]

Remember, applying the same logic I have heard elsewhere, we must not judge agencies. I am sure all agency owners have families to support. They must be financially desperate and have no other options. They are just doing what they  have to do to survive, and as you well off Westerners who have certainly never known poverty, you should be willing to open you wallets no questions asked 

[ScottinCrimea]

Remember, applying the same logic I have heard elsewhere, we must not judge agencies. I am sure all agency owners have families to support. They must be financially desperate and have no other options. They are just doing what they  have to do to survive, and as you well off Westerners who have certainly never known poverty, you should be willing to open you wallets no questions asked 

 Seeing as how our country just elected a president who believes in spreading the wealth around, this seems perfectly in line with our beliefs.

[Vaughn]

How does one research agency ethics?

  It's fortunate that you never had to. While I never was paranoid about being fleeced, I was
able to contact other customers, to secure my lady's home phone and talk with her personally.
There were no excuses, no secrets, no joining fees, no obstacles to thwart us from breaking free of them.

  And so I endorse them mightily when approached. Six years later, they continue to operate without a
complaint that I've noticed. Are they unique? Heck, no - but they're by no means run-of-the-mill. Of course,
if it's diva Zhanna one desires, you won't find her there - they only list real and available ladies.

  Call me biased, but they really treated us well, and made an honest & reasonable profit. They'll be around
long term introducing real folks. Others will keep peddling fantasy to the naive.

[wxman]

Seeing as how our country just elected a president who believes in spreading the wealth around, this seems perfectly in line with our beliefs.

That's a good one! Fits perfectly with your Disneyland analogy. My guess is that Obama is Dumbo.  Unfortunately, Obama is real and this ride will not end well.

[Simoni]

I'm basically saying that there are no ethical agencies for the 1%.. that they simply do not or cannot (co) exist.

First of all, I don't know if only 1% of guys who write letters to women in the FSU get on the plane.  We keep repeating that number, but I don't know where the figure originated.

Having used agencies, I do know that when I went to the office, it was filled with men from around the world-- the EU, Canada, the US and down under, too.  Lots of men were there meeting girls.   And lots of girls were there looking at profiles of men.   At my last visit, I met 10 girls who were on their data base.   All were real and all were sincere, IMHO.

So yes, ethical agencies do exist.  In fact, the poll at RWD shows that the most frequent way men here meet their mates is via an agency.

Personally, I found Elena's Models to be good.  EM has far less scammers than free personals becuase they screen their girls.  And should they miss, they remove a girl at first hint of scamming.

But they did not have the concentration in one city, so I shifted to agencies in big cities to provide back up on trips.

Are most agencies bad? I don't know.  But I did find some good ones.  And yes, even a good agency can have a few bad girls. They just don't last very long; the owners remove them if they break agency rules.  With free personals, there  tend to be no rules and no screening.

There are many good ways to seek women in the FSU.  I'm open to all of them.  I have only one search method I dislike, and that will be my little secret...

[Gator]

...considering they do serve a good purpose for 99% of men that never get on a plane in the first place isn't it a bit unreasonable that the 1% should complain so much about such
'disservice'?

I say you're getting exactly what you are willing to pay for.

I agree to some extent, yet I can not make the leap to the title of your thread. "There are no dishonest agencies."

I paid agencies for the opportunity to meet a woman.  Mostly it was just an address and I took the reins from there leaving the agency out of the picture (i. e., no pay as you go).  There is nothing dishonest about that.

On a few occasions I paid an agency to arrange a meeting with women I selected from their inventory.  After the meeting, the agency was out of the picture.  There is nothing dishonest about that.

In your words, I got exactly what I was willing to pay for.  In my opinion, it was a bargain.

[kievstar]

I have never had problems with agencies.  You pay to meet women face to face.  $50 or less you get a date.  Letter writing. How many women really like writing letters to a stranger???  These women have a life. 

[BC]

I have never had problems with agencies.  You pay to meet women face to face.  $50 or less you get a date.  Letter writing. How many women really like writing letters to a stranger???  These women have a life. 

Take 50 bucks, multiply by the average number of guys in a month and average number of dates per guy. At 30 guys per month with 5 dates, that's grossing 7500 bucks.. Managing 30 guys on 150 dates is going to have a cost, rent, utilities, personnel, phone, lots of overhead email time, marketing costs, some affiliate fees.. probably not that awful much left over..

Are the guys who actually visit a PIA?

[Gator]

Are the guys who actually visit a PIA?

I never met a Professional Insurance Agent in the FSU.  Not what you were talking about?  ask the RW, not the men.

[BC]

I never met a Professional Insurance Agent in the FSU.  Not what you were talking about?  ask the RW, not the men.

Gator,

I meant a PIA (pain in the ass) for agencies.. In other words give me a hundred keyboard romeos for every guy who really visits..

I guess the RW would be smitten with a 'real' visitor, but guess a whole lot of disappointment goes with the territory..

[groovlstk]

But in the end, considering that they do serve a good purpose for 99% of men that never get on a plane in the first place isn't it a bit unreasonable that the 1% should complain so much about such
'disservice'?

I've seen this 99% figure bandied about often, it's one of those cliches that are generally accepted with little to back it up accept except anecdotal comments from a few disgruntled agency owners who claim to want to tell it like it is.

I'm not buying it.

During the years of my search, I probably wrote to hundreds of women (some from agencies, some from freeps). Some women I dismissed after their first responses, some after a few emails, some blew me off, some went further but were too far logistically to visit. Out of all these women I wrote to, I met approximately a few dozen in person. Now, if you were to go back to the agencies or to the individual girls who weren't among these few dozen, they would undoubtedly lump me in with the keyboard romeo crowd, accuse me of never intending to visit the FSU, or tag me as "not serious" when the simple fact of the matter is that I did visit Ukraine and Russia - quite a few times, in fact - I just didn't visit them or their agencies because I had to go with what seemed to me to be the best options available at the time.

I don't know if it makes a difference to some of you whether the percentage of guys who write but never visit is 99, 75, or 50 - the moral relativists among us will find ways to excuse any plainly unethical behavior among Russians or point to some vaguely approximate equivalent in Westerners to deflect criticism.