Statistical abberation

[Jazzyclassy]

If nobody is allowed to write their own thoughts about your situation , why then you ever post your private life events in the public forum?

[KenC]

If nobody is allowed to write their own thoughts about your situation , why then you ever post your private life events in the public forum?

When the opinion is based on false information, guesses and bogus innuendos, it will be refuted.
KenC

[Jazzyclassy]

Maxx wrote nothing bad about your situation, i think he was just fair in commenting that when such sad thing happened to him, everybody neglected his experience with russian women and publicly pronounced him a loser ,when in your case  no matter what you say and no matter what happens you are an expert in every field and nobody can touch this subject.

That's the bit you do not understand here guys, and i just do not understand why you, all place your anger on a person who also suffered divorce and instead of supporting and understanding him you just show your revolt.

Just cos he speaks in a different way, according to you he is a weak person,

Though is that a great deed- to come to a public forum after some time, claiming that the person has changed and evaluate things in his life, after a sweet positive start , gives you a back off comment on everything you say about his situation he allowed publicly to discuss himself, shows a lot of class surely, do not you think?
Starts again and again insulting people, so why then you tell people about your situation and tell them how you have changed , when it is the same old story about your whole persona

[groovlstk]

Dan, not payback at all. Just showing that Ken did to me (far more actually) what I am accused of doing to him. He needs to humble himself like you need to do also.

Maxx, after reading your posts for years now, I have to agree with Kuna. You will only be satisfied (note I use the word "satisfied" and not "happy" - the latter will always prove elusive to you unless you can let go of your past) if all the married men here broke up with their wives and humbled themselves before you. It's the same with your concern for people who are victims of immigration fraud - you don't help them out of empathy, you feed on their pain and confusion like a vampire.

As much as you'd love to spin things otherwise, there's no comparison between your situation and Ken's.

Unlike the others in this thread, I'll heed your call and confess to you that I feel humbled. I'm sorry to say that I used to respect you even if I didn't always agree with you. I'm humbled by my mistake in judging your character. Touche.

[Admin]

Maxx wrote nothing bad about your situation, i think he was just fair in commenting that when such sad thing happened to him, everybody neglected his experience with russian women and publicly pronounced him a loser ,when in your case  no matter what you say and no matter what happens you are an expert in every field and nobody can touch this subject.

That's the bit you do not understand here guys, and i just do not understand why you, all place your anger on a person who also suffered divorce and instead of supporting and understanding him you just show your revolt.

Just cos he speaks in a different way, according to you he is a weak person,

Though is that a great deed- to come to a public forum after some time, claiming that the person has changed and evaluate things in his life, after a sweet positive start , gives you a back off comment on everything you say about his situation he allowed publicly to discuss himself, shows a lot of class surely, do not you think?
Starts again and again insulting people, so why then you tell people about your situation and tell them how you have changed , when it is the same old story about your whole persona

JC,

Some people like to pull the wings off flies just to see them struggle.

Some people take a perverse pleasure in witnessing the pain of others.

Some people work actively to hold others down, in a pathetic attempt to feel better about themselves.

Soap operas and Jerry Springer scavenge off this sort of crass human behavior.

Fortunately, most people do none of that - leaving it to those with NO CLASS.

- Dan

[groovlstk]

Maxx wrote nothing bad about your situation, i think he was just fair in commenting that when such sad thing happened to him, everybody neglected his experience with russian women and publicly pronounced him a loser ,when in your case  no matter what you say and no matter what happens you are an expert in every field and nobody can touch this subject.

That's the bit you do not understand here guys, and i just do not understand why you, all place your anger on a person who also suffered divorce and instead of supporting and understanding him you just show your revolt.

Just cos he speaks in a different way, according to you he is a weak person,

Though is that a great deed- to come to a public forum after some time, claiming that the person has changed and evaluate things in his life, after a sweet positive start , gives you a back off comment on everything you say about his situation he allowed publicly to discuss himself, shows a lot of class surely, do not you think?
Starts again and again insulting people, so why then you tell people about your situation and tell them how you have changed , when it is the same old story about your whole persona

The most ironic thing about this post is that if God forbid Jazzy's marriage fell apart, Maxx would instantly tag her as a typically opportunistic Russian woman (after all, he's tagged all RW this way many times, and been called on such foolish narrowmindedness by KenC, which is part of his antagonism).

And as much as Jazzy and Ken despise each other, Ken would likely be the first person to defend her if someone like Maxx publicly reveled in her misery.

 

You can tell a lot about a person's character in how they react to someone else's misfortune.

[Jazzyclassy]

well marriage is a constant work , from both partners if somebody stops mainting the relations it is likely to ruin but that does not mean this or that person is a loser after that , both people are to blame

[KenC]

Maxx wrote nothing bad about your situation

Then Jazzy, you are not reading the same words as I. The list of insults or false conclusions alledged by Maxx:

My trip report was made to save my marriage

I should have made a better choice

He is happy my marriage ended

I am lying

Lena was unfaithful

Lena used me for money                             
Jazzy, think about this for a moment please.  Who knows about the dynamics of your marriage to your husband better than you?  What if someone, who has never met you or your husband, called you a lier when you spoke about your marriage?  What if this person only made disparaging comments about your marriage because he failed so terribly in his own? What if this same person continued to announce facts to others that were not true in order to fulfill a vendetta because he was jealous of your past happiness?
KenC                                               

[GoodOlBoy]

....Jerry Springer scavenge off this sort of crass human behavior.
- Dan

AHHHH...There you go "bad mouthing" Jerry again Dan!  


GOB


PS....Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry..........:evil:

[Maxx2]

I'll be posting when I have the time. Doing business right now.


Maxx

[KenC]

I'll be posting when I have the time. Doing business right now.


Maxx

Please don't bother.  Your "wisdom" is unwanted here.
KenC

[Vaughn]

KenC, I was wrong.....  you called it correctly in the first post.

The "feeding frenzy" has begun.

[Diplomacy]

Looks more like revenge to me.  Why feed into it? 

[Admin]

Looks more like revenge to me.  Why feed into it? 

For my part - the first time I noticed Maxx2 posting in this topic (Reply #96), even though I thought it was offensive, it didn't incite me to respond. It was his pious defense of his rhetorical post (Reply #99) that inspired my reaction.

Since then, sadly, other issues have been laid bare - including Maxx2's revenge motive for his perception of slights from eons ago.

- Dan

[Faux Pas]

Dan,
It appeared to me the #96 post was an obvious attempt to take a shot at KenC and and his marriage. Full of assumption and innuendo. When Maxx didn't get the response he was looking for i.e., a lash out from KenC , he continued to try and cast more dispersions on a marriage he couldn't possibly know anything about, unless KenC or Lena told him. KenC clearly stated otherwise. Why would Maxx continue with such accusations for any reason other than to hope to cause another member grief and assault his memory and character.

I know the two have a history and I've seen debate and disagreement between the them but, nothing to cross a line as I see from Maxx in this thread. Regardless of posts on past forums. We're a disagreeing bunch that will on occasion insert a knife but, for the most part turning it is highly unacceptable.

I previously thought Maxx a credible member and noble with his help to distressed people that experience the catastrophes he had. I see him in a different light now. JMO

[Makkin]

   If you never post again Maxx it's fine with me as you have blown the cover right off of your mental problems for all to see.

   Ken will be fine and that's something you may have to suffer with.

Makkin

[Maxx2]

Too much to respond to in one post so I'll address the issue made against me that I am anti-Russian women.

Nothing can be further from the truth. I like Russian women. Good ones that is. There has been a number of Russian women I have met on these forums and in person that have impressed me with their character. They would make great wives or are. These women have one thing in common. They are not afraid to stand up against and speak out against the bad conduct of their sisters. They know the users, the shallow, the selfish and the immature. They wonder why some of you guys are seeking or married to such women.

Over the last several years I have been contacted by Russian women in distress. After hearing their husbands refusal to do their AOS or other details I advise them to seek legal council. I tell them that there is a way to circumvent the circumstances their controlling/abusive husbands put them and their children into. One woman was from Macedonia and had no idea that she had options for getting out of her abusive situation. I filled her in. I have advised a number of women to file abuse petitions. Lately I have been getting quite a bit of calls from AW who are abused and taken advantage of by their foreign husbands. That is a completely different matter in regard to immigration issues except for the AW accused of abuse. The USCIS is "gender neutral" after all. 

In short RW should like me. The good one's that is. I like them.

So do I feed off this misery like a "vampire". Heck no. I have gotten to a point like a burnt out lawyer and I give them the info and wish them the best. I sleep well.

I'll deal with Ken's sensitivities and his efforts to reinvent his image on another post.


Maxx

[Makkin]

  Hmmm...


    The lowest thing a person can do to another person is kick them when they are down. You kicked Ken when he was down and expect this latest assesment of yourself to somehow qualify you as something special?

    We are all special in our own ways and we are unique to a certain degree. When you desire to kick a person when they are down then you have surely crossed a line among many members here. You are special in your own way but I don't recall anyone kicking you when you had your problems????


    As far as I'm concerned your history with me. Your words are worthless and without character because you seem to have no character.


    Rememer Maxx2 it takes a lifetime to build a reputation and only a few seconds to destroy it. You have managed to do just that and then some. Good luck to you and I suggest you read the book called....."The Road Less Taken"

Makkin

[HiTech]

KenC: My condolences on your current situation.

makkin:

You are special in your own way but I don't recall anyone kicking you when you had your problems?Huh?

I do not have the history as a reference, so I do not know the truth of maxx's claim, but maxx clearly said that KenC did that very thing of kicking him when he was down.

If KenC did or did not behave badly when maxx was on the hot seat really does not matter, because you are correct the hi road is the hi road because 2 wrongs never make a right.

I have no desire to see KenC's current events used for peoples own enjoyment. And I also agree with you it is not a good time to analyze kens actions or to kick someone when they are down.

Simply as an analytical question, should a person be given a free pass for their behavior just because they currently are in a bad situation? I.E. for argument sake only, assuming ken is drastically sugar coating his current situation, is it acceptable behavior for people call him on it?

[Daveman]

KenC: My condolences on your current situation.

makkin:

I do not have the history as a reference, so I do not know the truth of maxx's claim, but maxx clearly said that KenC did that very thing of kicking him when he was down.

If KenC did or did not behave badly when maxx was on the hot seat really does not matter, because you are correct the hi road is the hi road because 2 wrongs never make a right.

I have no desire to see KenC's current events used for peoples own enjoyment. And I also agree with you it is not a good time to analyze kens actions or to kick someone when they are down.

Simply as an analytical question, should a person be given a free pass for their behavior just because they currently are in a bad situation? I.E. for argument sake only, assuming ken is drastically sugar coating his current situation, is it acceptable behavior for people call him on it?

KenC, or anyone else, chooses to share with the rest of us whatever they wish about any aspect of a relationship or experience.  If something is off the wall, or dangerous advice, or even questionable then it would be okay to bring an alternate or even opposing view. But for heaven's sake, in this situation he giving his thoughts as to what he thinks happened and why it occurred.  He's showing respect to Lena so of course some phrases could come across as "sugar coating" as to not want to give only his side and show her to be the complete "bad guy" if that wasn't the case (and it usually isn't in normal breakups).

So, to call someone on "Sugar coating" from the outside, not having lived it, not having witnessed it first hand, and not knowing the full story seems more than a little ridiculous.

Questions -- completely acceptable to ask, but whether the OP will answer is his choice, and whatever he chooses to put up here is also his choice.  Take it or leave it.  Nitpickin' and sour grapes are pretty crappy actions when someone is going through a complete change of life such as this.

[KenC]

KenC: My condolences on your current situation.

makkin:

I do not have the history as a reference, so I do not know the truth of maxx's claim, but maxx clearly said that KenC did that very thing of kicking him when he was down.

If KenC did or did not behave badly when maxx was on the hot seat really does not matter, because you are correct the hi road is the hi road because 2 wrongs never make a right.

I have no desire to see KenC's current events used for peoples own enjoyment. And I also agree with you it is not a good time to analyze kens actions or to kick someone when they are down.

Maxx started a negative thread on another forum (post divorce) and I started another in a positive vein.  I didn't want to have Maxx's negativism give a one sided view point to the readership.  If that is "kicking someone when he is down" than I am guilty as charged.  As far as Maxx "being down" , he has been down since his exwife went cockoo.

Simply as an analytical question, should a person be given a free pass for their behavior just because they currently are in a bad situation? I.E. for argument sake only, assuming ken is drastically sugar coating his current situation, is it acceptable behavior for people call him on it?

I think that is called compassion, to not kick a man when he is down.  And I don't ask for even that.  Maxx has inserted his own thoughts and opinions from his own mind and experience.  He has tried to distort what the facts are and insinuate things never in evidence by anything I ever posted.  As for the "sugar coating", whom is more familiar with the facts of the matter; Maxx or me?
KenC

[facetrock]

  Maxx I still think the ghost of Elivra haunts you. I know you will deny it, but no one here will doubt it. Your ongoing obsession with failed marriages between WM and RW is not healthy to say the least. Its true, you do give good legal advice, that will not be denied by anyone here. But it never stops. You post stories here about failed marriages and horror stories of WM and RW from other sites. In fact you dont post about anything else here. You have been beating this drum for about 5 years now. Elvira is long gone and should  be just a distant memory by now, yet you drag her back to life every chance you get. I know you dont believe it but we can see her in your posts. Its very evident to every one here. I dont mean any of this in a bad way either, I do wish you were able to forget about her.

   I do believe you tried to kick Ken when he was down. You felt he insulted you years ago and you wanted a little payback. Its human nature, but dont expect Ken or some of his friends here to not fire missles back.

   Why is it most people think you are a loser if you marry a foreign woman and it ends in divorce, even after ten years. You could have married Jane Doe from down the street for ten years and that too could have ended in a divorce and few would think you were a loser.
Sadly, it would be considered normal. But woe to you men that take a chance and find something you think is better in a foreign country. To spurn our chubby home grown phychotic women is not right. To go against the grain, to look for happiness beyond our borders is well  " not normal "  And when it does fail, you are labeled a loser for having such a silly idea it could possibly work. Sad but true.
  I have never met Ken personally. I have in the past talked to both him and Lena on the phone several years ago. I think they are both good people. I dont know why, but it makes me sad to know it didnt work out even though we have never met.
  Ken would be welcome at my house, he doesnt even have to bring his own beer:)))
  

[Faux Pas]

I do not have the history as a reference, so I do not know the truth of maxx's claim, but maxx clearly said that KenC did that very thing of kicking him when he was down.

If KenC did or did not behave badly when maxx was on the hot seat really does not matter, because you are correct the hi road is the hi road because 2 wrongs never make a right.

I have no desire to see KenC's current events used for peoples own enjoyment. And I also agree with you it is not a good time to analyze kens actions or to kick someone when they are down.

Simply as an analytical question, should a person be given a free pass for their behavior just because they currently are in a bad situation? I.E. for argument sake only, assuming ken is drastically sugar coating his current situation, is it acceptable behavior for people call him on it?

I'm certainly not Makkin but I'll field this. The answer to your analytical question is yes and no. For behavior the answer is yes, for bad behavior it is no. Nobody but Ken and Lena know if his view of the situation is sugar coated. To say that it is anything other than what he states is pure conjecture. To use this opportunity as Maxx has, is inexcusable. We are all here to learn and help with the common goal of relationships with FSUW. Maxx has taken it to another plateau of reveling in another's heartache and misery.

Maxx stated KenC kicked him when he was down. Maybe he has but I have seen no evidence of that. I have seen heated debate between the two where they clearly disagreed. I can say in my own opinion, KenC states his opinion and offers advice quite frequently with a solid punch. Many of us on the board do the same thing. Perhaps those of us that have this style delivery respect it more than others, I do not know.

Should we be called on bad behavior? Certainly. Nothing I've read in this thread projects any bad behavior on KenC's part. So why the smearing innuendos from Maxx? Should this be acceptable behavior?

[Maxx2]

If KenC did or did not behave badly when maxx was on the hot seat really does not matter, because you are correct the hi road is the hi road because 2 wrongs never make a right.

I said what happened to me back in 2003 by Ken in responce to the claim that Ken took the high road. He did not. He would refer to my ex as "your poor choice" and remind me that he was happily married and was going off on a romantic weekend with his sexy wife. He had her picture in a white bathing suit on his avatar. Was I down? You bet I was. I was crying eight ten times a day ( a few weeks of that) . Unable to sleep for days at a time ( A couple of months of that).  Took about a year to get over it. All of this is usually for guys and gals in my position. I have talked to many of them about this.


Maxx

[KenC]

Maxx,
Two simple questions for you.

Did you make a poor choice when you choose Elvira?

What is wrong with telling the truth about my marriage and even romantic trips with my wife?

KenC