Statistical abberation

[KenC]

Some people are "rubber neckers" Ken.  They want to see the train wreck.  Look how many are cheering for me to crash and how disappointed they are when there are little successes. 

That said.. your experiences are really lingering in my mind these days every time I talk to my GF since the age gap is pretty much the same.

Which is another reason for my posting about it.  If someone can learn from my experiences, then it was worth posting.
KenC

[ScottinCrimea]

I've seen my name get tossed around a few times since I last checked this thread so I thought I better chime in. some relitvely new members here want to talk about some elite circle here who are seemingly above being criticized, something like a RWD good ol' boy network.  I'm not quite sure where I fit in, because, although I have been around awhile, there are some that have been here much longer.  I guess some would put me in this group and some wouldn't, I believe based mostly on how often I agree with them.

What you new guys don't know is that every member here has gotten his fair share of beatings. How they have responded to those beatings has determined what respect they are given by the other old timers here.

Can KenC be "a bit" harsh sometimes?  No question.  We have certainly knocked heads more than a few times and I think we both still have the bruises to show for it.  At one point Ken challenged me to go over his posts and find any inconsistencies.  It took awhile, but I took on the challenge.  Instead of finding ammo to throw at him, I came away with a new respect for him based on his consistent efforts to help those here.

Is his approach too heavy handed at times?  I think it used to be, and I called him on it, even going so far as to post a list of what I felt where the incidences of inappropriate name calling.  To his credit, he took it upon himself to tone it down.  You new guys really don't know how tough "tough love" can get with Ken.

As far as the atmosphere of this board and the sense of community, there are a few, and there always will be, those who look for any reason to attack or approach things from a purely negative viewpoint. Unfortunately it seems at times that this group are the most aggressive posters so it taints the impressions of the forum.  The mistake we older members make is in trying to reason with them or change their attitudes. They aren't here to learn or to help, just to feed some sort of internal misery and try to spread it to others.

We've had examples in the past of the members here rallying to someone's support in times of need, and with the class people here, old disagreements go out the window when someone is down and needing a bit of support.

I know I was truly humbled by the calls and PM's offering me support recently.  To me, it truly is a community.  Now if we could just keep those black sheep uncles away from the reunion!

I think one real benefit of this thread is that it has shown those who have class and those who have none at all.  I'll certainly keep my impressions in mind when I consider their words.

Hang in there Ken!  I'm doing fine and putting your advice to work.
 

[Ade]

Sheesh, yes, lots of very melodramatic rhetoric for sure.

But hey, maybe it's just an American thing.

[jb]

I'm not inclined to get re-invovled in old arguments, but the subject of; "tough love", has been broached with my name on it, as well as Scott, and KenC.  Maybe a little clarification is in order.  But,,, Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn,,, (Rhett Butler in: "Gone With The Wind")

Below is a direct quote of a post I sent to a guy called "PhotoGuy" as he was in the process of making some really bad decisions.  You be the judge if I was engaging in name calling, being nasty, or not trying to to be helpful.  In the entire thread I did not resort to name calling, or nastiness, nor did KenC,,, which we are now often accused of.

Read for yourself...

PhotoGuy,

I don't mind you thinking of me as a total bastard, but I assure you, my parents were married.  I don't have an axe to grind with you so don't take anything I say as a personal insult.  I just say what I think and try to be as logical as I can without letting personalities get between me and honesty.

I suspect your purpose in starting this thread is in your continuing effort to rewrite your personal history.  Let's again discuss your situation:  Unless I've missed a 2nd trip report, you've only met this young lady once, for one week, in Kiev, in a hotel setting, with the need for an interperter for anything more complicated than a "hello", or a "good morning". You've not met her family or friends, or seen what sort of lifestyle she's accustomed to. You have not shared an intimate experience with her, nor have you ever been able with any degree of assurance, probe her true intentions.  Based on the flimsiest of foundations you have filed for a K-1 visa for this girl.

I think you've talked yourself into believing in something that quite frankly, doesn't exists.

With regard to your post about what you know about dating FSU women and the need to show fidelity to one woman or lose her.  If you did a WOVO trip to Ukraine with no more to go on than a few letters that were obviously not written by the girl herself, that was just double dumb. I've never said she isn't a good person, I've only said that you do not know if she is a good person.  She's still very much a "pig-in-a-poke".  You've bought the product without bothering to examine closely what you are getting into.  Leslie is absolutely correct, WOVO has it's own rules, and you broke them all.

I've never advocated the use of agencies, in fact I've often argued against the use of a "for profit" agency to find a mate.  I don't think an agency is ever able to completely seperate their commercial interests from what's good for the long term physical and emotional needs of the client.  At best, an agency can serve as a introduction medium, nothing more.  The moment a man begins a courtship using the agency as a go-between, he allows a third, fourth, even a fifth or more, element to come between him and his intended goal.  There's just too much room for interperters and letter writers to interject their own personalities into the mix, thus clouding the real communication issues.  No relationship can survive long without the partners being able to communicate with each other effectively, that goes for business, and much more so for personal partnerships.

As for the ladies getting upset if a man dates more than one girl when he comes to town, that's hog wash.  These girls join an agency with the specific purpose of being introduced to men. Lot's of men.  They know the rules of the game better than you do.  The popular women, read young and pretty, have several dates with different men every week, 365 days, 52 weeks a year, until they finally connect with the one they decide has the greatest potential. The women with less to offer may never get a single letter or date from a foreign suitor.

Them's the real rules of the game.  The ball is always in their court, sad but true.

Had you hooked up with a reputable agency, such as Rvrwind's (Richard) agency in Tver, Jack's First Dream, or Kevin's Khersons Girls, they'd have put you in a flat, set you up with as many introductions as you could handle, and once you had made a choice, they'd have given you whatever assistance you needed to begin your courtship.  The rest of the story would be up to you to follow through with the subsequent trips for additional courtship and relationship development.  You are going to be the one who walks down the asile with her, you have to be the one who gets to know her.  As it is now, you only really know some non-person who writes nice letters in English.

All of this requires an investment of capital and time, you seemingly have neither.

KenC and I used to often team up to deliver logical, thoughtful, and sometimes useful commentary on newbie adventures.  Did we ever get it wrong?  Maybe,,, sometimes,,, but not too often, I think.

Kicking Ken now is not appropriate, after all, he's just a guy who went through what all of you can expect to go through, if you are going to be here long enough,,,doing this.  Ken should be one of your hero's.   

[Kuna]

I was a newbie who cringed at times when he saw the clue bat being used... at one point I think I even defended those under attack. 

One great value of the clue bat is that it signals OTHERS to stand up and take note of advice when it's important to do so.

Yes, we could all get together at RWD and bask in the glory of our unusual lives, but the reality is some men are wasting THOUSANDS of dollars because they have no clue.  The recipient of the clue bat rarely accepts the lesson but at least others at the time and in the future can see the folly of their actions (if their eyes are open).



jb,  your use of the clue bat made a tremendous contribution to where my life is now.  My wonderful wife and I have been married for 17 months now, and we have a real blessing in our 6 month old son.  I really cannot express how happy and contented I am.

Thank you for sharing your wisdom in whatever way you chose way back then!

[krimster]

Even though it's unlikely Dan will allow my "tainted" post to be put on display on such a noble, altruistic and obviously refined  blog as RWD, I will offer these thoughts.

To KenC:
Once upon a time a guy I worked with bought some beach front property and decided to build a house right next to the shore line.  We talked about it, and I explained the obvious risks but he went ahead and did it anyway.  When it was finished, everyone in our office HAD to constantly see the pictures of the house, the bikini-clad girls who wandered in off the beach, and we had to endure endless stories of "conquests" and how cool his house was.  Two years later, we had the heaviest rainfall in history, and a mud slide took half his house and dumped into the Pacific.  Well, when he made his appearance into the office, do you think people were sympathetic to his loss?

To the general RWD populace:

1. Investigate the meaning of the word "hubris" and how it might apply to your own life.
2. Lincoln said "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.  George Bush said, "You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on".  Which one was right, why?  Which of these philosophies apply to this board?


Thank you for reading my post and have a nice day


What the superior man seeks is in himself; what the small man seeks is in others.
Confuse-Us

[Makkin]

  That was a nice  anology of that situation with your friend and goes understood by most people here.

 
  How much good have members done by making statements that other members don't agree with or like? Many statements are not wanted and those are also understood.



  It seems to me that this board is one of members and these members are of free thought and intentions. Maybe the thoughts appear different but most of the intentions are the same. People really do try to help people here more than to harm them.

Makkin
 

[Vaughn]

Two years later, we had the heaviest rainfall in history, and a mud slide took half his house and dumped into the Pacific.  Well, when he made his appearance into the office, do you think people were sympathetic to his loss?

Krimster, if you take the time to read page one of this thread, it was clear to me from the outset that KenC
never sought anyone's sympathy.

To borrow a line from Richard Gere,
May you find yourselves...
                the bull's-eye of an easy target.

[jb]

2. Lincoln said "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time

.

Are you sure about the origin of that quote?

Ahemmm, I think it was Ben Franklin who said that,,, Lincoln wasn't that deep a thinker, history has shown he was rather thick.  And it was Bill Clinton who capitalized on Franklin s idea.  He had 70% of the people fooled 30% of the time, that's why he was called "Teflon Willie". Of course, that all depends on what your definition of what; is,,, is.

Like Rush said, "liberalism is a mental disorder".

Sorry,,, you opened yourself right up for that.

[Jumper]

good old boy-

sheeash man,relax ,,

 Read AugustD post.
its exactly why i posted my thoughts!

then Tims

I sympathize with AugustD who has relevant questions and would like to post them but does not want to get the attacks he might get from some.  Probably he would prefer answers without the BS.

after ten years of posting,moderating and reading RW forums,
I was merely explaining why i wasnt around as much.
a lot of posters are from long ago ,and might actually be interested in that (although you obviously wernt lol)

IMHO-
The tenor of these boards could swing back to being a bit more about the sharing of experiences verses the tearing down of a persons character or relationship.
the intent of my post was to piont out that the  feel of the forums has changed,
the personal attacks have always gone on..
the flame wars, the jabs,
i said it is nothing new.

in fact your own misinformed reply couldnt be a better example of exactly what i was refering to.
 
is about the quickness of members to jump on others..
personally.

my hope was that while this has always gone on,
that its frequency could be less instead of more.

If that in your eyes makes me a condesending bozo -or a contemptuous clown,  so be it.
maybe next tme dont be so quick to jump?

if you do, you are part of the problem,
that causes posts like AugustD's !!
which is what REALLY is a shame!!  don't you think?

I'm sorry if you find my thoughts condesending,, it isnt the direction
i meant them.
i'm simply saddened that guys like augustD , dont feel comfortable asking legitimate questions here.

as far as your personal stuff towards me,or my wife.
at least do some research first?

I've been around these boards for over ten years,
so yeah maybe a feel that i can say the tone of them has changed some,and be fairly sure of it.
its also pretty well documented that Ive never been a fan of the personal attacks,wether its by one of the old guard , or by a newbie.
I'm sorry but after posting for years and years, i think ive paid any dues to the forum community as well.. i'm sure Dan would agree.


if you at any time think my wife should be thankful for her great life in "America" you would be very wrong.
She's very thankful she has a truly loving husband.
She has no reason to be *thankfull* that said husband
meant a relocation halfway around the globe, away from all cherished friends, family, and culture,all she had, and all she'd known.

if you think she should be thankful to RWD forum,
 (or any forum) you would be so far  wrong ,
that i wouldn't know where to start. lol
  RWD din't even exist
  
 I DO think these forums offer a great service..
i wouldnt have used a lot of my time over the years posting/moderating etc if i din't feel that way.
i'm not sure why you took me pointing out that they could be better,
so personally.
like yourself,  much of this community are generally supportive
of each other .

i thought i was pretty  clear that my own feelings on posting more
 or less ,
 might be just a shift in my own perception of the forums,and time
to devote to reading  them.

if there were less personal attacks,and more relevent content
on the actual experiences of being married ,or going thru the process of meeting someone..
i would think more people would be willing to ask the questions that could be helped with the  advice of those that have been thru it , or are going thru it.
 i think most everyone would agree that would be a benefit to all ..

I think you're a good guy ..with good intent at a mutually supportive marraige..
and i wish you nothing but good fortune in this venture youve set out on..

but if you want to see where these forums have been headed for awhile (and it's not a good direction to help folks)
then go reread your own kneejerk reply.. with personal insults
  to someone you obviously don't know anything about, thier history at the forums , or the history of thier relationship or marriage.

You want these boards to be helpful, informative , and encouraging of people to post thier questions..
then bust my ass , or anyone elses that attacks the person,or thier relationship,  instead of the topic or idea.

I think it is incredibly important to make that effort.
or i wouldn't have said anything at all.

but i'm not this forums policeman, nor does it really need one .

it could use a BIG dose of common courtesy though..

thats not as clich'ed as "cant we all just get along" ?

its really a challenge to each of us.. to post repectfully of others,,
so thatthe place is indeed less jerry springer.

but if thats what folks want, thats what theyll do ,its everyone thats posts  playground,, what we do with it is indeed much in our hands
(and i respect Dans appoach to that)


i do feel this is the best forum..
and a huge benefit to guys thinking of emailing some exotic RW theyve seen on an agency website..

[krimster]

Vaughn,
   No where in my post did I state that KenC was seeking sympathy from others.  This is not at all the subject of my fable.  The subject is simply "human nature"

Richard Gere also may have said
"easier to shoot first, then draw a circle 'round the hole, and shout " bull's-eye"

Confuse-us say
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall"
also
"Only the wisest and stupidest of men never change"

 

[Jumper]

speaking of a decade of forums,,
holy cow its jb!

hey john, i hope all is  well!

[Sculpto]

Like Rush said, "liberalism is a mental disorder".

Sorry,,, you opened yourself right up for that.

Sorry for the OT post, but, its comments like this and the mentality behind them that is exactly the wrong direction.

I will start a new thread.

[Vaughn]

Krimster,

  Sympathetic is the adjectival form of sympathy. The analogy was quite clear. If you meant something
else, perhaps you might reconsider the substance - or explain its true meaning to a potato head like me.

  AJ, I hear you. Sometimes I take a week, a month off - and return to a food fight. At those moments I am
prone to ask myself "Why bother?" but I keep returning to find gemstones on a rainy day.

[Jumper]

ecocks and sculpto-
i do agree the place for discussing general trends in the RW boards (not just this one)  
is better off in another thread, and my apologies ahead of time,.,


but i'm going to ask this in this thread since it would be quted from here..

Maxx said:

Once upon a time on a Planet called Love certain members here called a wife of another member here a "c" and a "w". I can see why this man and AJ are hesitant to post here. Leopolds do not change their spots.

Maxx,
for what its worth-
i can't answer for augustD, he already replied pretty completely?

but i'm not hesitant to post because someone might call me or my wife names..
i've a pretty thick skin.

i'm just less likely to read posts, if  i have to wade through a bunch of mud or jerry springer episodes to get to see any decent content.

both sides have slung plenty of mud over the years..
you think i don't recall it?

I expect better of you maxx
and could say the same for some of kenC, jb,or even my own posts.

I'd like to see all of us step back and ask ourselves:
"does that insult or comment,  really need to be added to make my point or state my idea?"
or
 "do my own opinions on this random persons relationship,
 that i know nothing factul about, really need to be stated aloud or put in print"


but i've been told my tastes are too lofty..


heh
i'm all *uppity* like that you know?

[Jumper]

  AJ, I hear you. Sometimes I take a week, a month off - and return to a food fight. At those moments I am
prone to ask myself "Why bother?" but I keep returning to find gemstones on a rainy day.

vaughn-

I think you may have hit on it a bit.
I don't come around often, because yes indeed i'm busy!!
and when i do ,lately its always a food fight.

that perception may not be the reality of the board (and boards)
..it may be poor timing on my part.

or more likely ,due to time constraint,
i read threads at the top of the page,which are more popular and more responces..
typically those may be "hot topics " with more personal attacks thru them to be expected.

youve brought upo a good point that i probably knew ,
but was just really disappinted in what i'd been reading and
lashed out a bit.

[jb]

AJ,

hey john, i hope all is  well!

Couldn't be better,,, Etna is still as difficult as ever, but I know a RW wife requires a special touch.  

She is a full time math professor at the local college now, (with tenure), and I'm so proud of her accomplishments.  

But, we've been married a very long time now.  She has her Blue Passport, (she's just another ugly American now).  She is going back for the annual trek home next month, with a stopover in London and Paris for shopping,,, no visa's required now. I'll prolly be somewhat poorer after she gets home, but she'll be better dressed.

See ya.

[krimster]

JB,
   The quotation I gave is in fact attributed to Abraham Lincoln, I myself find it highly consistent with his other words.

Yes JB, you must be right, the man who preserved the United States of America from dissolution, ended slavery, and argued against a US president who through false claims wanted to initiate a war with a foreign country (Spot Resolutions), who also while working as a lawyer saved a man from being hanged because he was able to refute the accusation solely by the use of his own reason, who wrote the Gettysburg Address,  regarded as one of the greatest speeches in American history, must, why simply must have been rather "thick" as you so eloquently described, kudos to you...

Vaughn,
   If you parse my sentence correctly, you will see that it's subject is not KenC, therefor transforming verbs to adjectives or sending a gerund on an errand might let the participle dangle too much

Confuse-us say:
Everything has its beauty but not everyone sees it

[Vaughn]

Krimster,

  What I read was, after being designated a message to KenC, was a parable about a house
collapsing into the sea after being built against others' advice - and the lack of sympathy
that soon ensued. Was it not an intended parallel to KenC's own marriage? If not, I was wrong,
but for the life of me, except for you - I don't see anybody offering a different interpretation.

  Dangling participle. I can tell you had a solid education in language. Most folks have no clue.

 

[acrzybear]

ecocks and sculpto-
but i've been told my tastes are too lofty..


heh
i'm all *uppity* like that you know?

Well AJ perhaps if you quit jumping off the dirt piles and sand dunes we might not think you were so lofty or uppity    I think you and I have something in common-we just a couple of kids that refuse to grow up

[jb]

kimster,

The quote you attribute to Lincoln was stolen from Franklin, go back a bit farther into American history for the truth.  Lincoln may be remembered for it, but Ben Franklin said it first.  He was quite a guy.

He also said things like: "Tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you who you are"... in that vein I tend to remember William Ayres, and the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, and his racist church, that tells me a lot about O-Vomit, oops,,, Obama.  But that's another topic.

[Gator]

Fantastic day.  RWD pages are graced with both AJ and JB.   Good to see you.

It seems that most of the negatives in this thread, and there were not many in my mind, were by those whose feathers were ruffled by KenC.  For those of you who have been offended by KenC's style, you have missed the wisdom laden in his substance.  And on that list alongside KenC’s name, you can add the name JB.

Do AJ’s comments reflect a turn for the worse at RWD, or simply the maturing of the RW discussion?  I would say some of both, but mostly the latter.

When I joined RW forums in 2002, and AJ was already an icon, I guess that the average RW experience of frequent posters was probably under two years, maybe less.  Most of the posts focused on scams, visa questions, travel, how to meet RW, and trying to comprehend RW.  Much of the RW world seemed like a mystery, and even the parts we knew had many potholes.

KenC even seemed like an oldtimer in 2002 although he had been married for only a couple of years or so.  In fact, married men were few.  And certainly we did not have old grudges (a few new, ongoing grudges, but nothing old and festering).

In 2002 we needed each other because so many of us were green.  It reminded me of arriving in Vietnam still with starch in my fatigues, looking up to those who had already been there for three months, and discovering that they too were learning (and depended upon newbies to do our part).  AJ used a good word – camaraderie - to describe it.  

Is that the case today at RWD?  If you consider the frequent posters today (excluding a few sourpusses, babblers, and false know-it-all’s), I assert that the center of gravity has shifted.  We are far more experienced now, at a more advanced state in the RW process.  Nevertheless, we still should be civil, not necessarily polite or courteous, but civil.  And certainly we should help the likes of AugustD.

This thread initially was about one of the original and iconic marriages that had enjoyed the best of times now coming to its end.  Is it more?  Is it a symbolic event?  

[jb]

Gator,,, I seem to remember you from another life.   How's married life treating you?  I'm glad to see you are still around and kickin'.  I won't be bothering you guys much, but I need to see that KenC has a little support in this knockdowndragout,,, he's a pretty decent guy who has contributed much over the years and doesn't deserve to be dragged over the coals at this time.

just my take on things.

[ECOCKS]

>>Seeing how 80% of the RW to WM marriages fail<<

I presume you are speaking 'off-the-cuff' - as that statistic is FAR from the truth.

- Dan

It just seems that way.

Someone produced the statistic that the K-1 failure rate was about 2% points lower than the overall US divorce rate. Assuming that almost all FSUW marriages are second marriages the rate goes higher (approximately 60% according to the US CDC) so that actually gives us slightly better odds or even substantially better odds.

[Markus]

Kenc lies or can't remember:

I'm way behind since I posted the truth about Kenc. I've noticed since that I exposed the truth, this thread has become more active.
I'm not caught up on all the posts, but I will get there eventually. I'm fast in some ways (proposing) and slow in others (marrying). But,
I always keep my goal in focus. Perhaps someone can give me a "Cluebat" to explain why I'm behind since I posted. It's amazing that
the "ClueBat" is a term for good advice. I'm sure glad I didn't believe that way back when. If the term "ClueBat" is good advice, then
perhaps men can consider Kenc and take a big clue from targeting young hot ladies when you're in your mid 40s.

As I said before, some of you don't know the history of Kenc. If he seems nice now or in the recent past, well, it's probably because
he was seeing the end. He's a sharp guy. His way is the best way in his opinion. If another man was doing something that didn't fit into
his mentalbox capability, it was wrong. Of course, when he was questioned on targeting and marrying such a young lady, it was OK in
his opinion. He was so cocky then and he still is today, which may be part of the reason why he divorced. Perhaps the age difference
didn't have anything to do with it. I don't know the whole truth and I don't care. But, what I do care about is how Kenc has treated
other people and how is treating Maxx today. Maxx is only responding back to Kenc because of how Kenc treated him. And I would say
that Maxx is being much nicer. That's the history that some of you are missing. Kenc is good with twisting words. Either his memory is
lacking or he is lieing. When Maxx refereed to the Jackhammers with respect to him getting older and performing sexually, Maxx was
correct. Kenc says he didn't make that comment. Well, Kenc made that comment to me. That was in 2004. Maxx was going though
what he did and was just doing the exact same thing Kenc is doing now, that is, explaining what he went through. Now the purpose
of each man may be for venting and/or may be for helping other men. But, you can go back in history and see that when Maxx
posted his experience, Kenc was all over him with rude comments and from what has been termed "cluebats."  Cluebats, if they
are correct, should be for the beginners. Cluebats are easy to see. So, perhaps it's not a cluebat to marry a lady 25 years under you
age? Let the reader decide.

Kenc has written about how he gave me advice and I "took it." Now, again, he is either loosing his memory or he is just flat out telling
a lie hoping the readers will believe it. Since I debated with him, only once lowering myself to personal accusations, would I decide
to tell a lie to expose the truth? If I lie, what do I have to gain. If what I say is the truth, what do I have to gain? The answer is
nothing to both. But, I would rather people know the truth than his twisted words. Let's look at what Kenc wrote and dissect it for
the truth. I can tell you, I think he's losing his memory. Below he is talking about his "cluebat" advice to me. This is so simple
I'm amazed.

Kenc said:

"A good example of this is what I did with Marcus or as I coined the phrase "one week wonder."  I was highly critical of his engagement after he met his wife only a few times and could not communicate with her.  I was hard on him because I thought he was nuts to take his coarse of action and did not want to see him fail.  As I said up thread, he then took the time and made multiple trips to get to know his now wife.  Whether my "clue batting" had anything to do with it or not, I do not know.  The purpose again, was to help him avoid a potential mistake.  Once he brought his wife to the states, I wished him well and dropped any negativity towards his actions.  Of course he has repeatedly thrown his "successful marriage" in my face and as in this thread comes back to attack my strong suggestions from the time past.  But in fact, he did do exactly as I had strongly suggested; he got to know his fiancee before marrying her."

1. Kenc: "I was highly critical of his engagement after he met his wife only a few times and could not communicate with her."

    His comment is so far from the truth. I got engaged the 1st time I met my wife in person, not after a few times with her. How could he forget? That's what he debated me about.
    Now, I've been through a divorce and I would not wish that upon any man, especially after the efforts of marrying an FSUW. So, perhaps it's his situation that's causing him to
    forget the facts about me. I dearly am surprised that he would forget since he was so adamant in his "cluebat" and extremely thoughtless in his opposition.

    He says I could not communicate with her. What I exposed is that she didn't speak English. Does he not remember that I used other means to communicate with her? Again,
    this is a play of words from Kenc, a method he has used since I began exchanging thoughts with him.

2. Kenc: I was hard on him because I thought he was nuts to take his coarse of action and did not want to see him fail.

    If I was concerned about someone on this board, I would try to take the time to discuss their situation. What did Kenc do? He created a thread titled, "Is Is Smart to Be a
    One Week Wonder?" I switched my name to OneWeekWonder as a result. I only switched it recently to Markus because I had enough fun with it. But, I held that name for
    about 4 years. I can guarantee you, his words were not words of advice. I don't think I can use words that would clearly describe him  but I can say that he had a bat
    in his hand with a about as many redbulls as one could drink in his mouth. So far, next to jb, he was the biggest donkey I've ever encountered.

3. The purpose again, was to help him avoid a potential mistake.
   
   Kenc should have been focusing on his situation. As I said before, A lady can learn English and after 5 years of marriage (in July), we know each to the point that I have to get
   kitchen passes. Kenc is wifeless.

4. Once he brought his wife to the states, I wished him well and dropped any negativity towards his actions.

    I was really depending on this as a gauge to my marriage. Not once did he say, you know, I was wrong about you. In fairness, he did lighten up through the
    years. But, if someone says its going to rain tomorrow, is adamant about it, and tomorrow comes and it doesn't rain, they will drop their position that it will rain tomorrow.

5. Of course he has repeatedly thrown his "successful marriage" in my face and as in this thread comes back to attack my strong suggestions from the time past.

    Ah yes Kenc is correct here. I"m still waiting for that, "I was wrong." But, what I haven't done is use my marriage as a springboard of success to support my position on topics on
    any topic where someone disagreed with me. That's what Kenc was notorious for. I cannot imagine today, me, being where Kenc was when he used his marriage as a
    "success story" and as a justification that I am correct. I use my marriage as blessing, a blessing that God gave me. I didn't earn it nor do I deserve it.
     But, I will debate folks who say going after an FSUW who doesn't speak English is wrong. I can use my marriage as an example, but not a justification of my opinion.


I've only taken 1 paragraph from Kenc's thoughts. I have done this to him over and over. He twists words and forgets what he said if it's conveinvent to him. So, when
you read his words, you're getting the Kenc today. Tomorrow you may get another Kenc.


Someone asked me, "Where will I be in 5 years." If that person will answer where they will be in 5 years, I will also answer.

Mark