What's her game, I wonder?

[Sculpto]

Oooops.. the younger generation is liberating sexually.  I have definitely encountered several ladies who wanted to talk sex right away.. none of them were agency girls.. just nymphomaniacs. 

[jdk1963]

relax man.  have you talked to her on the phone?  Her suggesting meeting in another country is her trying to make things easier for you.

Not every lady is a scam!  In fact most aren't.  RELAX

No I have not talked to her.  Not for a lack of trying!  I think she is understanding my point of view.  I want her to feel comfortable meeting me and I want to feel comfortable meeting her.  As cool as it may seem to some I'm not looking for a booty call.  We were able to understand each other which is good.



As others have pointed out it does seem strange.  It could be that she is very nervous and talking about sex makes her more at ease. 

[Faux Pas]

No I have not talked to her.  Not for a lack of trying!  I think she is understanding my point of view.  I want her to feel comfortable meeting me and I want to feel comfortable meeting her.  As cool as it may seem to some I'm not looking for a booty call.  We were able to understand each other which is good.



As others have pointed out it does seem strange.  It could be that she is very nervous and talking about sex makes her more at ease. 

JMO but making plans to meet before talking to her on the phone is very suspect. You are literally putting the cart before the horse.

[groovlstk]

Phantom, I was going to apologize for tagging you with the keyboard romeo label. I have been a bit of an SOB here for the last month or two. Then I looked back at your history here and decided not to. Here's why:

April, 2008 (more than 1 year ago):

I'm not timid about getting on a plane and don't plan to spend the money in communication, like some sort of game or because I'm bored.  I plan to go pretty soon here actually, meet a few, even take more than one trip, which unless I'm lucky, I'll have to do.  Was actually going to go last year, but I fell into a depression, coupled with panic disorder they called it.  I'm not going to spend a year locked into correspondence again, but at least a month or two.

She sent me a letter and said that she wanted to tell me the truth.  She meant a man in her town, she said and does not want to leave anywhere.  She is sorry.  My own fault.  I'll start fresh one of these days.  Go ahead, insult away.  I'll play it smart this time.  I'll write 1-3 months tops.

I can get a visa pretty quick, with a rush service.  As far as the agency goes, they're the ones that started asking me questions, like when did I plan to visit Russia.  They even asigned a manager to me and the lady.  Like they want to wrap it up.  I've had contact with the owner over this. The manager asked her a series of questions.

 

March, 2008

I'll be going to Russia.  I've got my passport, I just need to get my visa and get the date set for the ticket.

I'll be going to Russia in a few short months, the first leg of my journey starts in Moscow, two days, then off to an apartment in YO, then I'll be traveling to St. Petersburg, for a two night three day stay.

Jan. 2008

Yes actually I'll be making my first trip this year.  Would have made it last year, but something prevented that from taking place.  I'm meeting the first girl in Moscow for two days, then we'll be going to Yo.  Probably be staying a month.

July 2007 (two years ago):

Yes, I'm going to heading to Russia.  Not gonna do to much of any writing, until I've got that passport in hand.

Okay,
I went down and paid additional for a rush on my passport, hopefully that speeds things up.  I will post my trip.  I've got six invites from the girls I've been corresponding with.  All six, invited me to spend the Ukraine independence day with them, telling me I would like this celebration.  I'll just have to figure out which one to spend the celebration with.  Unless this is some terp at the agency asking me this.  
The first leg of the trip, is a twenty hour lay over in London, then the next day to Kiev, a train from there.  So, can anyone recomend a good site seeing tour and hotel in London?

May 2007

Writing to about six real ones, and planning a trip for september with a 20 hour layover in London, which should also prove to be interesting.

Flight reservations for september, british airways.  Have a whole day in london, should be fun.  I'll be there from 11am until 940 am, the next day, then off to kiev.  can anyone recomend a good hotel in london and any good site seeing tours?

Hmmm, looks like way back in 2007 someone else had you pegged:

May 2007

I've got huveos and far from being a mouse.  JHC, if you can't post any simple question, without being insulted by "Some" people that think your afraid to travel to the FSU, when in fact I PLAN on going this year.  Fear of the FSU never crossed my mind.  Why post questions?  screw it.  It was a simple visa question, if she could get one, or if I needed one.

Gee, I've been to rougher places, it was just a question.  But, I won't be staying home.  If you don't know the difference between a question and what someone is planning, which is sveral trips and meeting, you should probably stay at home.  I was asking for advice on staying and other questions, not an insult from some smartmouth wanna be.

I'll probably be going in about 2-4 months, so when do I need to apply for the visa to Ukraine?  Now, is a apartment, or hotel better?

For a long time now you've been asking questions here and posting accounts of your chat adventures with Russian women. How many women have you promised to visit? A handful? Dozens? If you're not a troll yanking everyone's chains for the last few years, then you're a lunatic. Get help.

[jdk1963]

JMO but making plans to meet before talking to her on the phone is very suspect. You are literally putting the cart before the horse.

That is the big misunderstanding!  I won't meet until we have talked on the phone and we spend a little more time getting to know each other.  And I want to have some web cam time so that I can see she is the same person in the photos.

[phantom]

Phantom, I was going to apologize for tagging you with the keyboard romeo label. I have been a bit of an SOB here for the last month or two. Then I looked back at your history here and decided not to. Here's why:

April, 2008 (more than 1 year ago):
  

March, 2008

Jan. 2008
 

July 2007 (two years ago):
 

May 2007
 

Hmmm, looks like way back in 2007 someone else had you pegged:

May 2007

For a long time now you've been asking questions here and posting accounts of your chat adventures with Russian women. How many women have you promised to visit? A handful? Dozens? If you're not a troll yanking everyone's chains for the last few years, then you're a lunatic. Get help.

Hey Groov,

Thanks for poitning all that out.  No I haven't promised to meet a handful of women, actually haven't had
contact with that many Russian women.  Lunatic Huh?  You're a moron.

[Faux Pas]

That is the big misunderstanding!  I won't meet until we have talked on the phone and we spend a little more time getting to know each other.  And I want to have some web cam time so that I can see she is the same person in the photos.

Maybe a misunderstanding on my part. If it is, I stand corrected but they are your words




 

[Faux Pas]

Hey Groovstink,

Thanks for poitning all that out.  No I haven't promised to meet a handful of women, actually haven't had
contact with that many Russian women.  Lunatic Huh?  You're a FU**K**g A**ho**, how'd you like my foot down your throat psycho?  The only chain I'll yank, is the one around your neck.

Dude, you are losing it. You probably broke half the rules in TOS. groov pointed out remarks in posts of yours from two years ago that are close to what you are posting now. Try answering in a rational tone instead of that bile and name calling. Looks like groov was 100% correct and with this post you reaffirm it.

[JR]

Did someone forget to take their meds?

[phantom]

Why are you missing some, Jolly?

[phantom]

Faux,

if one doesn't like name calling, then one shouldn't do so.

[phantom]

Toodle lue

[Vaughn]

Phantom, unfortunately, the part of the post you've deleted remains archived since Faux Pas quoted you
just a few posts above; you might ask yourself why you get so upset when a member notes your history
here at RWD.

I had a "buddy" here once, but he disappeared in late 2007. He had planned a trip to Yoshkar Ola that
October - but circumstances here and abroad prevented that visit. Put the plans off until that Christmas/
New Year timeframe. By early March I got curious - never having heard from him after that - so I e-mailed
him.....  as of early March, without any real reason offered - he still had failed to make the journey. That was
too bad - the lady in Yoshkar Ola was looking forward to meeting him.

That guy called himself Infoman. He's gone now - or is he?

Is it coincidental that Infoman took a break from posting here between 9/15/07 and 12/01/07
and you, Phantom, were also absent here between 9/15/07 and 12/02/07 ?

It just struck me as odd.

Vaughn

[phantom]

Interesting Vaughn,

But, I'm afraid a coincidence is all it is.  I have never called myself infoman, wouldn't be a reason for that.  As for the editing of the post, it's fine that it was archived.  I didn't see where to resign, so I wrote Dan.  I didn't care that he noted my history here are RWD, it was his attitude, that does it all the time.  I don't take b.s from anyone.  

I was absent for various reasons, one was a hospital stay, then the other.  As I do plan on going, but not to YO, as I was introduced to an English speaking lady outside of the agencies, and have exchanged emails, letters, phone calls and web-chats with a cam.  She is who I am going to meet.  Sept/October.   But, as I intend to resign, I of course won't be posting.

Hey Groovstink,

Thanks for poitning all that out.  No I haven't promised to meet a handful of women, actually haven't had
contact with that many Russian women.  Lunatic Huh?  You're a FU**K**g A**ho**, how'd you like my foot down your throat psycho?  The only chain I'll yank, is the one around your neck.

[Vaughn]

Well then Phantom, I am sorry for the misunderstanding. You must understand groov's tendency to
call it as he sees it. This is by no means a defense of groov per se, but there are a few experienced guys
here who tend to vocalize what many others will feel but withhold.

The dude really missed out on a great lady who was willing to consider a sincere man.

His loss. Sorry again for confusing fact with fiction.

[phantom]

Ok, well no big deal Vaughn.  Too bad about the guy.  Is that her in the photo?  Is she at Maksims?  The back ground looks familiar as does the shelf.

[Ade]

Phantom,

a big problem for guys trying to go this route is getting over the considerable inertia left by keyboard knob-heads that play with women's hopes.

Some of those knob-heads never plan on visiting from the beginning and just get off on fantasizing with these women, others initially have good intentions but bottle out at the last minute, and then there are the genuine guys that don't make it through no fault of their own due to severe illness of financial crisis or... name your poison. Which are you dude? You mention panic attacks, well, are you up for this, really? If not, stop playing with these women and possibly screwing up the chances for genuine guys.

[groovlstk]

Hey Groovstink,

Thanks for poitning all that out.  No I haven't promised to meet a handful of women, actually haven't had
contact with that many Russian women. 

You actually haven't had contact with that many Russian women? Do you honestly want to say that knowing there are dozens of posts from you over the years discussing women you planned to meet "in a few months?"

Lunatic Huh?  You're a FU**K**g A**ho**, how'd you like my foot down your throat psycho?  The only chain I'll yank, is the one around your neck.

Phantom, I have friends who would like to do that to me. Get in line.

If I misquoted you, lied, or confused you with someone else, please point out where I erred and I will make a public apology. But remember: your history here is available to anyone with the click of a button.

FWIW, if you had to cancel multiple planned trips because of tragedy or psychological problems, I'm sympathetic, but I see too many coincidences and vague excuses. Next time you post another "is she scamming me?" email here, keep in mind that there are probably women in Russia and Ukraine posting your "sorry, I won't be visiting next month as I originally promised" emails in various RW forums as examples of Western men as worthless bullsh*it artists. 

[jdk1963]

Maybe a misunderstanding on my part. If it is, I stand corrected but they are your words

I don't see anywhere that I've stated I was making plans to go see her.  While maybe not perfectly clear I stated my requirements before I would go see her.  Which as far as I can tell she understands.  That is far from making plans which I should be doing at this point anyway.   This is rather amusing because I am sure I would have heard get on a plane and go see her had I said anything else.

[Faux Pas]

I don't see anywhere that I've stated I was making plans to go see her.  While maybe not perfectly clear I stated my requirements before I would go see her.  Which as far as I can tell she understands.  That is far from making plans which I should be doing at this point anyway.   This is rather amusing because I am sure I would have heard get on a plane and go see her had I said anything else.

I have absolutely no clue as to what this double talk is even saying

I think I can put this one in the too good to be true category.  She wants me in Moscow yesterday!  I have not called her or seen if she matches the photos.  After explaining to her that I wanted us to know each other a little better and that I would be coming to her country where I do not speak the language and do not know anyone other than her she suggested meeting in another country.  If we had met before that would be fine.  As I have not met her and I am sure I would be expected to spring for her to travel it sounds a lot more like a scam.

No I have not talked to her.  Not for a lack of trying!  I think she is understanding my point of view.  I want her to feel comfortable meeting me and I want to feel comfortable meeting her.  As cool as it may seem to some I'm not looking for a booty call.  We were able to understand each other which is good.



As others have pointed out it does seem strange.  It could be that she is very nervous and talking about sex makes her more at ease. 

You've exchanged a few emails. Yet you haven't spoken with her on the telephone and you are already contemplating going to her country and meeting her. My statement was: If you are planing a meeting and haven't spoken to her, you are putting the cart way before the horse. That is as true now as it was when I first stated it. I stated it for a reason and that is, that hopefully you'd back up and see how silly you and your posts really are. She would be the very first woman I ever knew that talking sex puts her at ease. Of course I haven't personally known many prostitutes or scammers.

My advice to you is: don't even think about visiting a lady you haven't AT THE VERY LEAST spoken to extensively on the telephone. You are an accident looking for a happening

[jdk1963]

I have absolutely no clue as to what this double talk is even saying

You've exchanged a few emails. Yet you haven't spoken with her on the telephone and you are already contemplating going to her country and meeting her. My statement was: If you are planing a meeting and haven't spoken to her, you are putting the cart way before the horse. That is as true now as it was when I first stated it. I stated it for a reason and that is, that hopefully you'd back up and see how silly you and your posts really are. She would be the very first woman I ever knew that talking sex puts her at ease. Of course I haven't personally known many prostitutes or scammers.

My advice to you is: don't even think about visiting a lady you haven't AT THE VERY LEAST spoken to extensively on the telephone. You are an accident looking for a happening

You're right.  You have no clue.  If you had taken the time to read rather than inject your own bias, cherry pick and take a sentence entirely out of context you would easily see that I am telling her that I want to get to know each other better before I get on a plane.  Instead you prefer to make snarky comments just to prove you can be an ass.

My advice to you is to take a high school course in reading comprehension.  If you can't read what good is your "advice".

[JR]

Why are you missing some, Jolly?

No but you do seem to have anger issues and I thought perhaps getting back on your medications (if there were any, if not maybe there should be) would help

[phantom]

Jolly,

No my meds are fine.  Had reasons yesterday.

This lady, as far as I now can tell, has turned out not to be a scammer.  She gave me her number and contact details, also she said she has been looking at apartments in Kiev and found one that's resonable, with sat tv, kitchen, living room, bedroom with a king size bed and a pull out couch.  Saying that was all we needed.  Asked what I thought of being intimate.  She wants to know every inch of me and wake up in the morning holding me.  HMM

[phantom]

Seriously Jaded,

Yes I am up for this now and plan to go this year actually, since I'm feeling better.  You should try going through two years worth of depression and panic attacks, and let me know how you feel, what you feel like doing.

Anyway, I will be going, have all intentions to do so, and nothing holding me back.  The first meeting, may or may not be in Russia, but the rest will.

[facetrock]

 Dude. Get on the plane. Go meet her. Go hole up in a flat with this gal for a week and see if it helps. Enough talk. If you want some respect here get over there and tell us your experiences. Good luck and have fun.
Oh and dont worry if the woman wants to get you in the sack quickly. Nothin wrong with that.