What's her game, I wonder?

[phantom]

Oh, I will be getting on the plane and posting my experiences here, not just talk.  I have no problem with jumping in the sack.  She also asked me if I was sexual, as I would have to understand this about her.

[Faux Pas]

You're right.  You have no clue.  If you had taken the time to read rather than inject your own bias, cherry pick and take a sentence entirely out of context you would easily see that I am telling her that I want to get to know each other better before I get on a plane.  Instead you prefer to make snarky comments just to prove you can be an ass.

My advice to you is to take a high school course in reading comprehension.  If you can't read what good is your "advice".

I have no problem being an ass and I certainly don't need to prove it to "a man (sic) like you". I tried to relay a bit of advice in a nice, meaningful manner and you've chosen to turn it into something else. So be it, send him/her some more emails and knock yourself out on getting to know him/her better. Ask him/her if he/she enjoys oral better, maybe it'll relax him/her enough to give you a phone number. Good luck on your trip 

[Sculpto]

this one is for you Faux.. will remove if anyone is offended 

[jdk1963]

I have no problem being an ass and I certainly don't need to prove it to "a man (sic) like you". I tried to relay a bit of advice in a nice, meaningful manner and you've chosen to turn it into something else. So be it, send him/her some more emails and knock yourself out on getting to know him/her better. Ask him/her if he/she enjoys oral better, maybe it'll relax him/her enough to give you a phone number. Good luck on your trip  

Now all I need to do is confirm she does not go by the name Yuri and I'll be booking a flight!

A nice meaningful manner would imply that you actually read and comprehended what I wrote.  Given your inability to do that your advice is as useful as lips in a chicken.   And when you actually travel somewhere please let me know.

Mod: *Removed ToS Violation*

[Faux Pas]

this one is for you Faux.. will remove if anyone is offended 

Thanks Sculpt! What a nice man!

[JR]

Jolly,

No my meds are fine.  Had reasons yesterday.

This lady, as far as I now can tell, has turned out not to be a scammer.  She gave me her number and contact details, also she said she has been looking at apartments in Kiev and found one that's resonable, with sat tv, kitchen, living room, bedroom with a king size bed and a pull out couch.  Saying that was all we needed.  Asked what I thought of being intimate.  She wants to know every inch of me and wake up in the morning holding me.  HMM

KEWL, no more talk, lots more walk. I'd say buy the ticket now, it would make it easier to carry thru.

[phantom]

this one is for you Faux.. will remove if anyone is offended 

Love the pic.

[Ade]

I don't see anywhere that I've stated I was making plans to go see her.  While maybe not perfectly clear I stated my requirements before I would go see her.  Which as far as I can tell she understands.  That is far from making plans which I should be doing at this point anyway.   This is rather amusing because I am sure I would have heard get on a plane and go see her had I said anything else.

I'm with FP on this dude; the above post wasn't very understandable. Don't be so defensive.

[Ade]

Seriously Jaded,

Yes I am up for this now and plan to go this year actually, since I'm feeling better.  You should try going through two years worth of depression and panic attacks, and let me know how you feel, what you feel like doing.

Anyway, I will be going, have all intentions to do so, and nothing holding me back.  The first meeting, may or may not be in Russia, but the rest will.

Dude, you shouldn't assume anything. I have been through a severe year long drug related depression earlier on in life, and a life threatening chronic illness later on and I can tell you what I learned; accept that you have it, deal with it, and, wherever possible, don't inflict its symptoms on anyone else particularly loved ones.

You've been suffering a couple of years of panic attacks and depression and yet you've still been writing to women and essentially playing with their hopes. With the depression and panic attacks it was always unlikely that you would have visited and, if you did, it would have probably been a disaster. Why didn't you just accept that you had to fix your own problems before bringing another person into your life?

If you're now in control of the depression and panic attacks then good for you, I wish you all the best. But if you aren't, you should reconsider if this endeavour is a wise one for you and for the women you may meet.

And, FWIW, your attacks on others here were way out of line. Maybe the defensive anger is a sign that you're not entirely ready for this?

[phantom]

[quote Dude, you shouldn't assume anything. I have been through a severe year long drug related depression earlier on in life, and a life threatening chronic illness later on and I can tell you what I learned; accept that you have it, deal with it, and, wherever possible, don't inflict its symptoms on anyone else particularly loved ones.

You've been suffering a couple of years of panic attacks and depression and yet you've still been writing to women and essentially playing with their hopes. With the depression and panic attacks it was always unlikely that you would have visited and, if you did, it would have probably been a disaster. Why didn't you just accept that you had to fix your own problems before bringing another person into your life?

If you're now in control of the depression and panic attacks then good for you, I wish you all the best. But if you aren't, you should reconsider if this endeavour is a wise one for you and for the women you may meet.

And, FWIW, your attacks on others here were way out of line. Maybe the defensive anger is a sign that you're not entirely ready for this?
[/quote]

Seriously Jaded,

I stand corrected.  Yes, they are under control and I am ready for this.  You can do it, going through all that, I can do it, with imaginary things.  The reason I attacked back yesterday, is I had something else going on, not related to the depression or panic disorder, it was much more deepening, with a growing loss.

I thought I'd be ready to go at that time.  Was wrong.  Now, it's under control and I'm doing all the mental thinking on it, and looking at flights.  One other thing, does anyone know the time difference between the east coast and Ukraine?

[Ravens9273]

  One other thing, does anyone know the time difference between the east coast and Ukraine?

Ukraine is 7 hours ahead of the east coast.

[Ade]

Seriously Jaded,

I stand corrected.  Yes, they are under control and I am ready for this.  You can do it, going through all that, I can do it, with imaginary things.  The reason I attacked back yesterday, is I had something else going on, not related to the depression or panic disorder, it was much more deepening, with a growing loss.

I thought I'd be ready to go at that time.  Was wrong.  Now, it's under control and I'm doing all the mental thinking on it, and looking at flights.  One other thing, does anyone know the time difference between the east coast and Ukraine?

Then I wish you all the luck in the world. I really hope it works out for you.

Kiev is GMT+2 I think so it's about 11:25am now.

[Aloe]

Hmmm... I want to tell you that it is really difficult to get a visa to the USA or Europe for aspecially young Russian woman!!! We have to show everything what we have here in Russia to show that we are going to come back, it is the first thing!
The second is the meaning that if you are the MAN you should do the male deed!!!

i got a multiple entry schengen visa in a clean passport being young and unmarried, without buying any tours, just booked a hotel all by myself american visa is probably harder though

[GoodOlBoy]

Oh, I will be getting on the plane and posting my experiences here, not just talk.

Blah, Blah, Blah........We have heard this same old tired story from you for 2 years, ad nauseam.

The only person (people) that I feel sorry for Phantom, are the poor FSUW that you have been jerking around.


GOB

[jdk1963]

I'm with FP on this dude; the above post wasn't very understandable. Don't be so defensive.

He commented from one post and falsely assumed I would be jumping on a plane without ever talking to her beforehand.  In spite of comments to the contrary he still holds to that same false assumption.  If he's going to act as if I live under a grow light in mom's basement then he should get used to those types of comments.  This is the second time he's made snarky comments based on his ignorant assumptions and I am in no way required to suffer fools gladly.     

[Sculpto]

Phantom..

I think you better be real sure you are healed before you get involved with a lady.  Having lived with a depressed person for many years I think I have some perceptive ability and though I hope what you say is true I see your postings indicating otherwise.  I am not picking on you at all, just know the signs when I see them.  Please be realistic and honest with yourself.

[phantom]

Thanks for telling me the time zone, I did talk to her.  The email later, did throw up a red flag to me however. 

"I am so pleased to choosing you and thank you for accepting my choice and responded to me."

Sculpto,  The depression/Panic attacks, actually came on for a reason, it wasn't a mental disorder (I know you didn't state as such), it was do to other personnel reasons, of things that had happened.  I worked those out, as of now, I do have them under control and there for I am ready for this trip and will be making it.

Gob, what grade are you in?

[JR]

"I am so pleased to choosing you and thank you for accepting my choice and responded to me."

I see no red flag here. She is simply happy that you chose each other.

[phantom]

ok, I didn't think of it that way.  I haven't chosen anyone yet, as I have not made my first trip, but I assume now, she met in correspondence.    She seems nice enough, although she says to be 28, she sounded a bit older on the phone. (Then again, I'm used to translated calls or the one I was introduced to in Russia.)   She gave me her friends phone number, as she said her phone had been stolen, a few months ago and was saving her money for a new one.  She was at work when I called her, a medical nurse, so we only chatted briefly.  She talked about the Kiev apartment, and meeting.  Then, at the end, she said she let me know when she had her friend's phone again, so I could call, until she got her own. 

[Sculpto]

Where did you find her Phantom?

[phantom]

Sculpto,

She contacted me through toplop, when I had my profile on there.  Today, she sent me an email giving me her address and then she said in the letter, about me bringing her here.  I'll post some more of it in a bit.

[phantom]

Here's some more of her letter, she goes on to say, she would do anything "To see my face and be able to hold me.  Run hot baths for me, filled with rose petals and candlelight.  Show you wonderful places.  But, most of all, I want to love you. I don't think your crazy!"

Well, one of us is sane...I think.  But, she asked "please let's make arrangements for me to visit you.  Everyday we talk, the more I fall in love with you."  Then she ends with "All my love, and kisses".  Typical scammer, I would say. 

[Sculpto]

Phantom.. I am going to PM you.. Kazan isn't that far from Yoshkar Ola and i have heard those words before.

[phantom]

Sculpto,

The lady in question, is in Ukraine, the one in Kazan is legit.  This one in Ukraine, seems to be a scammer to me.

[Sculpto]

Phantom.. check your PM.. the Poltava lady looks fishy.. I think we caught another one.. just a guppy though.