What's her game, I wonder?

[phantom]

I think your right Sculpto.  First, after saying she would come meet, then said she couldn't, she know says please, let's bring her here to me.  It's fishy alright.

[phantom]

Does this look like the same girl in both pics?

[Sculpto]

yes and very much scammer type pics

[phantom]

I agree and wonder if any other guys on here are in contact with her as well? 

[Sculpto]

wait till you get the money request and then submit it to delphi

[phantom]

That's what I'll do.

[kievstar]

Girls that are very attractive with no children and serious spend little time writing letters as they have men visiting them weekly / daily.  These girls get a boyfriends quickly.  Just something to consider.  The game has changed as men who fly quickly and often get the best girls.  So when you see a beautiful women with no children on the internet for more than 6 months odds are she is not serious.  Of course the non serious girls do marry eventually.  But they could be into the dating scene for 4 to 15 years waiting until there 30 to 35 to marry.

On a different board an agency owner (well known) said the number of men visiting is down 75% but the success rate is up 75%.  For the serious men now is the time to fly as the number of serious good looking women is at an all time high and most of the men visiting are not of high quality.  Agency workers I know personally tell me letter writing is at an all time high and they will not be able to go on holiday this summer as their making to much money to pass up on it.  If they leave, the agency owner will replace them with someone else since they write 100% of what their girls says. 

The keyboard romeos fund the marriage agencies so the men who fly can meet quality girls for marriage in the agencies.  Keyboard romeos are kind of like a point guard in basketball.  They setup other men to get married.  Key board romeos should be in those bud life commercials where they salute people.  Key board romeos really are unsung hero's.  I salute you   

I hated English language and not good with grammar so I am not qualified to be a keyboard romeo. 

[phantom]

so, Romeo when is your first trip?  Oh, BTW Romeo, not all girls are on the agency sites.  One in particular, that I will be meeting first, was introduced to me, by a UK business owner and his wife, as the lady is the cousin of the wife's best friend, that was just looking for a nice guy.  She's pretty, speaks English and not on any sites.

So, how are you doing?

[facetrock]

  If your refering to Kievstar he has a wife from Ukraine and I think he stated he has been there about 70 times. You would be wise to listen to any advice he gives you.

[Sculpto]

  If your refering to Kievstar he has a wife from Ukraine and I think he stated he has been there about 70 times. You would be wise to listen to any advice he gives you.

except about buying purses. 

[phantom]

  If your refering to Kievstar he has a wife from Ukraine and I think he stated he has been there about 70 times. You would be wise to listen to any advice he gives you.

He should offer advice then, not give insults.

[Vaughn]

Sculpto - forgive me if I'm reading you wrong - but what does Kazan's proximity (2 hours)
to Yoshkar Ola have anything to do with a woman recommended to Phantom by a couple
in the United Kingdom? I'm not defending YO's reputation simply because my wife was born
and raised there - but really, what's your take on that area, and why?

Phantom, kievstar was rather gentle with his analogy regarding Romeos ~ my wife's opinion
might really upset you, dude. You've asserted that your first visit looms ahead after a series
of setbacks for various reasons - go with that determination, and don't let opinions ruffle your
feathers. Kazan is a great city, BTW. My wife visited there two months back with family members,
and despite its distance from established centers of culture, it has quite a culture of its own, to
include the arts and education.

[Sculpto]

Vaughn..

In this case nothing.. I misunderstood Phantom not realizing there were two different ladies.. one he had been introduced to that lives in Kazan and one that was a scam attempt from Ukraine.

Now.. what I do know is the scam gangs out of YO are affiliated in some loose way with the other groups originating from Kazan.  That stated.. what I also know is it is a surprisingly small number of college aged students are responsible for a huge number of scam letters that get sent out.  Overall I think both places are perfectly fine for a guy to visit as long as he has done DD and knows that he is in fact corresponding with a real lady with real interest.  Same for Cheboksary and Lugansk.  The actual scammers are small in number but they are reaching a wide audience because that is what they do all day.  Rogue scammers are a different story and can be harder to detect if they are smart.  I got pretty deep with one from Kazan.. hand written letters.. phone calls.. the whole thing.. right up until the "money shot" for her Father's "emergency" surgery after his "car wreck".  That was three years ago and how I discovered delphi.. same girl was working a bunch of guys and within two days a google search of her email addy went from no hits to hits all over the place.  I believe the same scammer tried three more times with me.  I made the mistake of instead of just stopping the correspondence of making the accusation.. I think I became a project and I probably unintentionally taught them to be better at it.  I regret that.

The photos I have seen of Kazan and Cheboksary show what appear to be nice places.  I can't remember ever seeing any photos of YO.  Isn't the history of Kazan unique in Russia?

[phantom]

Today's letter.

Dear Jack Ass!

Do you know what the best start is for a new day???




A smile !!!




I have started the day with a smile on my face, because you have send me an email.

Thank you very much for that.




How are you honey ???????




I want so much, to be close to you. To feel you, to know that the man that I

love is next to me.




When I saw your letter for  the first time, I have exactly known that you are a very

special man. Now we are writing letters

and I know exaclty that you are the man, for whom I`ve searched for such a long time.

You are really wonderful, my dear. It is like a dream come true.

You are my dream from the past, from now and for the future.

I promise you, that I will never deceive you. I promise you that you will be the happiest

man in the world in future.




Dear, I have no more time to type you a letter because my break is finished.

I am thinking about you every single minute and I am sure that you will have a

nice day and sweet dreams to you tonight.




Kiss you




Your Scammer


p.s. Have a nice weekend

[phantom]

Phantom, kievstar was rather gentle with his analogy regarding Romeos ~ my wife's opinion
might really upset you, dude. You've asserted that your first visit looms ahead after a series
of setbacks for various reasons - go with that determination, and don't let opinions ruffle your
feathers. Kazan is a great city, BTW. My wife visited there two months back with family members,
and despite its distance from established centers of culture, it has quite a culture of its own, to
include the arts and education.

Vaughn,

I think the hardest critic of me, is me.  I should have waited until I was ready to leave, which is now. (Some thinking, "Yeah right."  Putting it nicely.)  First stop will be the lady in Kazan, that I was introduced to.  We exchange the occasional email...postal letters and mostly talk by phone and web-camchat.  There's a couple from agencies, which need translations, which is fine.  One of those ladies, really don't ask me to many questions at all, trying to get to know me.  The other one, asks a little.  The lady in Kazan, can speak English, and its, well much different in what we talk about and say to each other.

[Sculpto]

lol @ dear jackass

[phantom]

I thought it was fitting, as that what's she's trying to make melook like.

[phantom]

The awaited money letter came today from this little scammer.

"Dearest Numbnuts!

I can't begin to tell you how much I enjoyed reading your last e-mail.

Well regarding our meeting, I think it will be really nice to

be there with you in Kiev hopefully soon... Yes, it is

convenient for me and I am very excited about it.... i will reserve

the apartment for us if you want it , don't worry.......It doesn't costs much.

Only 51 dollars for one night. How many days  should I book it for??? Honey I would

love to be your water when it comes out the shower, and look into your

beautiful eyes and I wonder will that day will come that I can meet

you with my own eyes, that will be very nice... Let me think ....It

means that we could be together four days. But there is another point.

To use plane is much more expensive than to use train. I don't

mind train and I don't want to waste your money since you're so kind to

pay for my trip. I don't want to be insolent but plane tickets to Kiev

cost $150 + airport taxes. If it's not O.K. with you to pay around

$210 for trip I will go by train and it will cost around $100 but it

will take me fourteen hours to get to Kiev from my city and fourteen

hours to get from Kiev to my city. It means that we lose two days of

our being together. To tell you the truth I prefer to spend more days

with you but I feel not convenient to be in charge of your money and i

feel awkward to ask you about it.. but can you help me with the payment

for the tickets???? I will never insist, please decide for yourself.

I wish you nice and healthy days

Kisses

Your Scammer"

[Ade]

Requests for tickets are common even from genuine women - not all FSUW have the resources to go spending money on plane or train tickets you know. On my first trip my fiancée didn't ask me outright and I didn't even ask her if she needed any, I just bought. And that's the thing, an easy way for this is to offer to get her a non-refundable E-Ticket. If she's only after the travel money she will disappear pretty quickly.

[phantom]

Thanks Jaded,

I'll shoot her an email and offer to do that, and see what happens.

[Ade]

Thanks Jaded,

I'll shoot her an email and offer to do that, and see what happens.

Don't forget that this still leaves it open for women that just want a nice trip. You have to take everything in context of the whole; like a picture puzzle, any particular piece is usually meaningless without the others.

[phantom]

Thanks,

I didn't think of that one.  I'll be careful and fit the pieces together.

[Aloe]

didnt read the topic, but if you are talking about the woman from the pictures on page 6, my impression would be 99% scammer, because she is pictured in VERY nice and VERY untypical for FSU environment, people who live like that dont ask around for 100 bucks, unless she specifically mentioned that its her ex(current?) bf or friend apartment

[phantom]

Definatley scammer, said as a test, I'd pay for non-trans ticket and she said that was not good, send the money western union.

[JR]

I only read this page and knew she was a scammer at "I wanne be the water out of your shower." PUKE!!!

Yep, W.U. is pretty much a dead give away. Walk away from this one unless you want to waste more of your time.