Starting out. The Realities of FSU Women VS American Women

[kryten41]

They said on the news last night that two thirds of Americans are overweight, and that one third are obese.

With regard to the "language" subplot of this thread, I think it is interesting that in "A Clockwork Orange" the teenagers were using Russian as slang.

[Show Time]

I realize that this thread is a little old and has gotten slightly off topic, but I just finished reading it and have a few questions for the guys that have "field experience."

Chances are I will go on an organized tour to the FSU (Ukraine is currently my first choice).  There are pros and cons to this approach, but the simple truth to matter is that I don't speak the language and have never been outside the USA except for Canada and Mexico.  It will cost more to do it this way, but I don't mind paying for the convenience and the security.

That being said, I would like to lay out my expectations and get some feedback. 

First of all (Sculpto  ), I am NOT going on a sex tour!  If that is something I wanted, I could rent alot of it for $5,000 over the course of two weeks stateside.

My primary purpose of going is to "date up" so to speak.  I'll elaborate.  This is probably where I start to get flamed, but I have NO TROUBLE getting 7's and 8's in Houston.  These women would make good wives, and I really get along with them on a personal level, but I want more from an aesthetic perspective.  (Sorry Ladies, but looks DO matter) I've had a few conversations (via PM and telephone) with members of this forum and agency reps and I get the impression that dating a 7 or 8 in the FSU is the equivalent to a 9 or 10 in the USA.  I would hope to get peoples opinions on this. 

I keep reading on this board about only dating within "your league" and focusing on women that you could date in your home country.  If that is the case, why are we looking abroad?

Am I going to find that I fly half away across the world to attend what would be any other Saturday night in Texas?  Granted, that wouldn't be disappointing considering I'm going to be treating this as just a vacation to another country, but I would rather know up front.

Thanks , guys!





 

[ECOCKS]

You're gonna be fine. Just go on the trip, ride it out and learn everything about Ukraine and FSUW that you can.

Best of luck.

[IAmZon]

I'll take a stab at this one.

The problem with looking ...  Quote "My primary purpose of going is to "date up" so to speak.  I'll elaborate.  This is probably where I start to get flamed, but I have NO TROUBLE getting 7's and 8's in Houston.  These women would make good wives, and I really get along with them on a personal level, but I want more from an aesthetic perspective.  (Sorry Ladies, but looks DO matter) I've had a few conversations (via PM and telephone) with members of this forum and agency reps and I get the impression that dating a 7 or 8 in the FSU is the equivalent to a 9 or 10 in the USA.  I would hope to get peoples opinions on this."

I think most people who are SOBERLY looking in Russia, Ukraine, Eastern Europe for that matter, value looks too, but there are cultural generalities that are unique to this group (now that would make an interesting thread):  There is a resignation to the truth, no matter how bad, that I find attractive.  Similarly, a style of directness in communication that boarders on rude.  For some reason I like that too. ( I would rather painful truth than comfortable falsehood).  There is a maturity and a level of determination and grit that is uncommon in the AW and Latinas too.  And, lastly, and perhaps more generally true, is a specific style of femininity.  There are other things too that are negative, and can be very problematic for a man "LOOKING to hard."  It is said that Russian can site on ice until it melts and no one will ever know his ass is cold.  There is a great capacity for secret agendas.

is you are likely to find  "When the God's wish to punish us, they answer our prayers." 

I hope you are going with Jack, he seems 100% to me.  Best of luck. 

[Faux Pas]

Go, get you a learning experience and some ground time. Hopefully on your return you'll feel confident enough to go back on your own. It's not so much different in most regards as any other part of the world where you don't speak the language. It doesn't matter if you go on a tour or not. What matters is that you go.

ST, all of us don't choose FSUW for an upgrade on the beauty scale. 10 different guys can have 10 different reasons. This search does tend attract some less desirables and men who can't get the company of fine women any other way. Most of those as I understand never even make the trip. Of course some do. You can spend 5K going on your own. I always do. There are a number of different ways to go and meet women. None of which are necessarily right or wrong.

[Sculpto]

I hope you are going with Jack, he seems 100% to me.  Best of luck. 

Would agree with this.  I recently read Jack's report on his latest group trip and I really like the method he is using.  If you are decided on that route I would suggest you contact him.

[Gator]

Am I going to find that I fly half away across the world to attend what would be any other Saturday night in Texas? 

Don't worry.  The FSU is the best singles bar in the world. 

You will do fine considering that I had great times even though some of neckties are older than you.

Your problem will be that many young RW are not very serious about marrying a foreigner.  So if you get the urge to talk about the long term, forget it or you may push her away.

Granted, that wouldn't be disappointing considering I'm going to be treating this as just a vacation to another country, but I would rather know up front.
 

Good attitude.  My first trip was 50% romance, 50% travel adventure.  My RW dates happily guided me to all the tourist places and "in" spots.  They distracted me from learning as much about Russia and Ukraine as I could have with a man guide.

[Sculpto]

Your problem will be that many young RW are not very serious about marrying a foreigner.  So if you get the urge to talk about the long term, forget it or you may push her away.

the above is absolutely true.  But, having the vacation attitude is good.  If you go around telling people you are looking for a wife or gf they will laugh at you behind your back.

[Lily]

My primary purpose of going is to "date up" so to speak.  I'll elaborate.  This is probably where I start to get flamed, but I have NO TROUBLE getting 7's and 8's in Houston.  These women would make good wives, and I really get along with them on a personal level, but I want more from an aesthetic perspective.  (Sorry Ladies, but looks DO matter) I've had a few conversations (via PM and telephone) with members of this forum and agency reps and I get the impression that dating a 7 or 8 in the FSU is the equivalent to a 9 or 10 in the USA.  I would hope to get peoples opinions on this. 
 

Of course looks do matter, no need to be sorry

Could you perhapd share how do you distinguish a 7 from an 8? Illustrations welcome

[JR]

Of course looks do matter, no need to be sorry

Could you perhapd share how do you distinguish a 7 from an 8? Illustrations welcome

It's called a sliding scale Lily. Very few would agree upon where a particular woman would place on "the" scale. That is because everyone has "their" scale.

There's also the weight scale It might be easier to get men to agree on that one, Hahahaha!

[Taz]

Easy to imagine Lily. A a 7 is just an "older" 8 or a much older 10! 

Bo Derrick (I forgot how to spell her name most likely) was probably a 12 before she slid down to a 10 at a more mature age or maybe vice versa. Started as a 9 and worked her way up. Some women get better looking as they mature though.

Some men like those with more rounded curves. As another member from here once told me the difference between an 9 and and a 7 is about 40 lbs. I don't think he meant the change in rating was linear either. My impression was that from a 9 to an 8 could be as a result of a difference less than half the original 40 pounds.

Then again for some men a few well place pounds up top can be a reason to bump up her rating a bit... Since I am not the kind of man who is interested in women with large mammary glands, I can only speculate.

Show Time - a little bit of advice. Don't discuss weight with RW. It appears to be a very sensitive topic. Maybe even more so than with AW. 

Ultimately beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If you like the looks of your partner that is really all that matters. Of course I hope you are dating from within your species.

[MatryoshkaMan]

Show Time, a RW who is a 10 in her country is like a 1,000 on the 1-10 scale in the US. No lie, men can fall over and die with pleasure just by her walking by and winking...

[HiTech]

Lily:

Could you perhapd share how do you distinguish a 7 from an 8? Illustrations welcome

7 ... She is very beautiful.
8 .... Wow
9 ... Cripes did you see what just walked by.
10 ... Dauuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I have not seen some one like her in many years.

Hitech

[Show Time]

Hey Guys,

Thanks for the responses so far.  I'll post more later as I'm using my cell phone right now.  Just a few things.

Sculpto,  Who is Jack?  Is it the same Jack Bragg that hasn't posted here since 2008?  How do I contact him?

Lily,  Guys typically give women a score of 1 through 10 based on how they look.  It varies from guy to guy, but for the most part a woman that is a 10 represents the particular guy's version of perfeection.  If she is a 7 or 8, then she is roughly 70 to 80 pecent perfect.  I can PM pictures to illustrate if you would like.

Gator,  May U borrow a few ties.  The retro look is in right now. 

[SANDRO43]

Bo Derrick (I forgot how to spell her name most likely) was probably a 12 before she slid down to a 10 at a more mature age or maybe vice versa. Started as a 9 and worked her way up. partner that is really all that matters. Of course I hope you are dating from within your species.

Bo Derek in "10" (1979) .

[Show Time]

Typo

Gator,  May I borrow your ties?

[groovlstk]

I realize that this thread is a little old and has gotten slightly off topic, but I just finished reading it and have a few questions for the guys that have "field experience."

Chances are I will go on an organized tour to the FSU (Ukraine is currently my first choice).  There are pros and cons to this approach, but the simple truth to matter is that I don't speak the language and have never been outside the USA except for Canada and Mexico.  It will cost more to do it this way, but I don't mind paying for the convenience and the security.

ST, for what it's worth, I know of only one member here who met and married a woman he met through an organized tour.

There are good tours and bad tours and from what I understand Jack's is by far the best - but one thing you should keep in mind is that there are many single RW who would jump off a cliff before attending a party with a tour group.

[Show Time]

Who is Jack?

[Simoni]

I agree w/Ravens on this. In very general terms, you won't understand what "keeping up with the Joneses" means until you've hung out w/Russian or Ukrainian people for awhile 

Ravens nailed it.  Groove confirmed it.

[Simoni]

There are good tours and bad tours and from what I understand Jack's is by far the best - but one thing you should keep in mind is that there are many single RW who would jump off a cliff before attending a party with a tour group.

Yeah, the poll here shows that tours don't work for finding a girl to marry.  If you want to meet a lot of pretty girls and see several cities, it's ok.  But I'd look at other means if I were you, ST.

[Blues Fairy]

7 ... She is very beautiful.
8 .... Wow

Then why would ST want to "date up" from the 7-s and the 8-s, isn't "Wow" quite good enough?
Either he's quite spoiled or your rating system is a bit off.

[kievstar]

I have met men who married on tours but it was not the first tour they did.  But it also seems the girls nowadays are not into the tours.  One guy I know married a girl on a tour all in one week (full blown Russian wedding with several limos, etc.).  But he hit the perfect time.  Girl was pissed about a rich man casually dating her for 2 years and broke up with him.  Went to a tour party in home city and met a guy and married in same week.  I know the guy well since he married my wife's best friend.  There very happy but he got lucky.  

I think of tours as a bachelor party - bunch of guys yucking it up, getting drunk, and chasing women.  Probably not true but that is what I think.  Not a bad way for a guy to understand a country and learn some tips on how to go alone in the future.  My wife went to one tour and her photo is now all over AFA website.  All most all of her close friends married foreign men - From USA (2) and Australia.  One on a tour, one who worked in agency translating for a man for a couple weeks than they both realized they were in love, and another got engaged on 2nd day of first meeting.  I was the strange one doing more than 5 visits before engagement.  My point is try many things as it seems like different ways work.  

[GoodOlBoy]

Then why would ST want to "date up" from the 7-s and the 8-s, isn't "Wow" quite good enough?

BF...I would like to jump in here and say something.

JMHO, BUT...FSUW are ATLEAST 2 numbers higher than AW.

In other words, On a scale of 1-10 (10 being highest) a 7 or 8 FSU lady would be a 9 or 10 AW (maybe) and I am talking strictly looks here.

Also the sheer numbers of 9's and 10's in the FSU are staggering.


GOB

BTW....When I went to Siberia for 3 month's and lived with my wife, my whole "American grading scale" changed completely.

[Show Time]

BF,  It's a little bit of both.  I don't consider 8 as Wow. 

GOB,  I think you may have your math backwards.

[Gator]

ST,

If you have a sense of adventure, you can do this on your own (for a much lower cost than a tour).  It seems that you do considering that you just want to look around and not get serious.

How much time do you have?  If just a week, select a larger city, corrspond with a few women from the city, and go there.  Meet them all.  They will take you to the best clubs and sights.  Have the telephone number of a MOB agency for backup.

We can give you advice about travel and apartments.

P. S.  My ties are available.  However, my two sons already have been through them a few times.