Writing really hot young girls to get to know their mothers

[GregfromGa]

So from the outside looking in at this approach it seems like you would need to find the absolute youngest girls and hope their mothers were young mothers, therefore mostly assuring that the mothers may have lived deprived lives because they were pregnant at such an early age. The mothers may feel cheated a bit in life and be open to adventure in dating a foreign man. I see, I see..This is focking brilliant. This approach is really thinking outside of the box. I would think that when initially talking to the girls you can always segue into the mothers life to gain perspective on how to approach the mom. Of course your going to want to see photos of mama so this could be a somewhat tricky situational question. Most Ukrainians and Russians like to vacation down at the Black Sea so vacation photos of mama in a two piece could easily be attainable with that approach. I like it, I like it..I would think that if you dated the daughter a few times and treated her with the utmost respect then she couldnt help but like you and would automatically think of you as a father figure because of you being a little older and more mature. The daughter comes home, tells mama your great and then a few dates later you pull the switch by telling her that you are just too old for her and would always be thinking of her like a daughter. Then you put the full court press on mama..Genius...Love it...Mama and daughter gets what they want..Everybody wins.

[Lily]

  Come to my place for a week then tell me what you think of the local women. Fat Fatter and Fattest. Thats what I see when I go out all the time. Give you an example. There is a woman here with 5 kids who is 37 and very goodlooking. She is broke, in debt up to her ass, kind of flakey and unstable, but has more men after her than you can shake a fully erect penis at. And these men are not all losers, some very good men in the bunch. And the young men in their early twenties just slobber at her.
  Another example. I was at a club a few weeks ago and the dance floor literaly shook from the 20 fat chicks all dancing together. Had to be 4 or 5 tons of blubber out there. The weird thing is they try to dress so sexy and there is just no way to do that when you are 5 foot 6 and weigh 200 plus. Just no way! Put some damn clothes on and spare me from barfing please!!!
  Other than that there is not much out there and I will be goddamned if I will settle for some nut case hog. I dont want  a woman in her twenties, late 30s or 40s is fine for me. Just a little rant

Oh, Wisconsin    borderstate to Illinois. Well, I have known some people from there when I was in Chicahgo. Surprisingly, they were also fat 

On the topic I'd say that general Russian mentality always prefers young over maturity when it comes to dating. I don't think that any RW would seriously think that she can compete with her daughter or niece over a man's attention, irrespectively of how hot is the mature woman. The general public, unfortunately, would still advocates that a mediocre young woman should be preferred even over a smoking hot middle aged one.

[Jumper]

Oh, Wisconsin  Sad  borderstate to Illinois. Well, I have known some people from there when I was in Chicahgo. Surprisingly, they were also fat  Undecided

we prefer the term corn fed!  thank you very much!

 

and i'm not fat.........................





yet!!
 

[Ludmila]

Greg,

Applying American yardstick to the Russian reality would not be wise, i.e. on living desperate and deprived lives and becoming mothers in a young age. Look : I was a young mother at 21, with a diploma of the Russian equivalent of Harvard, began my post graduate course at 22, followed by a successful challenging career. How does it show  my life was deprived and desperate?

Facetrock didn't mean DATING the daughter first. He suggested approaching the daughter on the site and asking whether the  mother was single and would like to meet a foreign man. Please, check the OP!

I think there is nothing sly, indecent or  immoral about this. Simply they have to be honest with their intentions from the start.

Face, if it works for you, why not doing  it! Only bear in mind that the 10 commandments will still be in force!

[facetrock]

  Thanks for all the replys.. Here is how I do it. Its simple really. Write the hot looking young girls, the hotter the better and hope like hell they get their looks from the mother. Looks from the father do you no good. Trust me on that. I dont even try to pick up on the young girls and direct all my attention in my first letter to the mother. You have to be very clear on it so the hot young girl gets the message. Something like  " You are so beautiful your mother must be smokin hot too" or " Your beauty must be genetic and if you get your looks from your mother she must be a total babe too "  All young girls like to tell you how beautiful their mothers are and are happy to send pictures.
   But sometimes they dont take your approach so kindly, especially if the parents are still married. There has been a few F...K offs. Several " Your a sick man" and " You are really weird and need help" But with this approach that is to be expected. Have to take the good with the bad but the good far exceeds the bad. These mothers have never been online talking to all the loser foreign men. They are like internet virgins and havent been corrupted and burned by all the phone lords, skype slim, and keyboard romeos. They are believers yet but I fear it wont last long since I am making this secret public. Treat these women with respect and if there is no interest be courteous and let them know if you dont think it will work. Dont leave them wondering what happened when you vanish.

P.S. Make sure you have a good studio photo to send them. The older gals like a nice professional photo in a suit to start with. Seriously, they are a little old fashioned and like this sort of thing. Want to know what you will look like cleaned up. Good luck.

[Ludmila]

Face, in your place, I'd mention what I am after RIGHT AWAY, compliments to the daughter should sound as being auxiliary, not primary, i.e. in brackets, something to the effect:

 "Hi, Natasha,  of course, you are pretty and attractive. But you are out of my league, as far as your age.

  I was just wondering if your MOTHER IS SINGLE , is between ages.....and does not rule out to meet an American for her future life in the USA.

  If not, just discard this email. But if she wants to talk to me, I'd be happy to do it, too.
 Please, let me know, when you can. Thanks."

[ECOCKS]

Interesting all the strategies that people come up with during this pursuit.

[Jumper]

 

I say it's pure genius..
(especially with Ludmila's refinements)




carry on!!!
 

[JR]

I like the part about having a built in replacement when the mom gets too old!!!

[possum]

Facet, dad, let me just say that I admire your resourcefulness!. This is a novel approach if I've ever seen one.. As Ludmila suggested, it is better to start off with a compliment to the daughter followed by a gentle inquiry about her mom and an explanation why you want a woman close to your age.. Since young girls on agency websites are driven primarily by the desire to get out of the country before it's too late, they will have no problem using their moms as their ticket out.. But you have to tread lightly and keep in mind that the girls' opinion of their moms is always a bit idealistic..

On the subject of fat women, as some of you know I've been browsing a local dating site for people looking to date locally, and I've noticed that most women in the 30-40 range are slim.. There is, however, a percentage of women that you might call overweight, but I guess that's unavoidable.. Over 40, I would say half the women are overweight..

[wiz]

I do think in Greg's story that works as the person was physically there.  On the ground is key. My mother-in-law told my now wife on my first meeting with her that she better not let this guy get away.  Older women generally know what they want.  

Talking the real beauties and not the makeup ones. I have yet to see a very attractive looking women over 45 years old in Ukraine and I used to live there.  I think that will change as life is easier there now.  

I dissagree with you regarding Ukrainian women. I have seen plenty hot women over 40 while travelling in Ukraine.

Here some examples.

[GregfromGa]

Greg,

Applying American yardstick to the Russian reality would not be wise, i.e. on living desperate and deprived lives and becoming mothers in a young age. Look : I was a young mother at 21, with a diploma of the Russian equivalent of Harvard, began my post graduate course at 22, followed by a successful challenging career. How does it show  my life was deprived and desperate?

Facetrock didn't mean DATING the daughter first. He suggested approaching the daughter on the site and asking whether the  mother was single and would like to meet a foreign man. Please, check the OP!

I think there is nothing sly, indecent or  immoral about this. Simply they have to be honest with their intentions from the start.

Face, if it works for you, why not doing  it! Only bear in mind that the 10 commandments will still be in force!

Maybe I read it wrong but I would think that anyone who is willing to go to such lengths would certainly and and SHOULD certainly not let a little thing like a date or two or three get in the way of the primary objective which is hooking up with mama. Of course it's sly. Indecent, who cares? He just has to keep his eye on the prize, but maybe Facetrock can clarify exactly how far he is willing to go with this approach to land the perfect one that fits into his plans for the future.

As far as your life being deprived, well I have no clue. I do know that being a mother at such a young age would most assuredly hampered your young lifestyle and cut out on some of the boodie shaking and such that wouldve taken place had you not been with child. If it didnt cut into those extra curricular activities then it means the baby had a good babushka. Applying an American yardstick has absolutely nothing to do with nothing in this case.

[possum]

Women is general are not crazy about the idea of being used to get to other women, but if facet is upfront about his intentions he should be fine in the long run..

[Gator]

   But sometimes they dont take your approach so kindly, especially if the parents are still married.

 

There has been a few F...K offs. Several " Your a sick man" and " You are really weird and need help"

They are probably thinking you want to do a mother-daughter threeway.   :evil:

That was my brief, initial thought upon reading the OP.  I now see that you are serious about pursuing just the mother.

[Gator]

I have yet to see a very attractive looking women over 45 years old in Ukraine and I used to live there.  I think that will change as life is easier there now.  

Disagree.  There are many pretty RW over 45.  Maybe Kievstar hasn't seen them with their clothes off and is assuming the worst.  Keep in mind that Kievstar has revealed in many posts that he has a very high standard regarding whether a woman is pretty (e. g., over 5'10",  borderline anorexic).

[Gator]

Over 40, I would say half the women are overweight..

That is true.  Maybe over half, but still less than in America.

I don't know what happens to the tall, thin dyevs as they age.  Almost all disappear.  It is as if their legs grew shorter and their middle grew wider, much wider.  Yet, there are many exceptions.

Maybe the thin dyevs upon aging are too weak to walk around the city.

[Gator]

A brilliant commentary in praise of older women (the writer was thinking over 50).

Andy Rooney On Older Women


Older Women Andy Rooney says, "As I grow in age, I value older women most of all.  Here are just a few reasons why."

An older woman will never wake you in the middle of the night to ask, "What are you thinking?" She doesn't care what you think.

An older woman knows herself well enough to be assured in who she is, what she is, what she wants and from whom. Few women past the age of 50 give a damn what you might think about her.

An older single woman usually has had her fill of "meaningful relationships" and commitment." The last thing she needs in her life is another dopey, clingy, whiny, dependent lover!

Older women are dignified. They seldom have a screaming match with you at the opera or in an expensive restaurant. Of course, if you deserve it, they won't hesitate to shoot you if they think they can get away with it.

Most older women cook well. They care about cleanliness and are generous with praise, often undeserved.

An older woman has the self-assurance to introduce you to her women friends.

A younger woman with a man will often ignore even her best friend because she doesn't trust the guy with other women. Older women couldn't care less.

Women get psychic as they age. You never have to confess your sins to an older woman. They always know.

An older woman looks good wearing bright red lipstick. This is not true of younger women or drag queens.

Once you get past a wrinkle or two, an older woman is far sexier than her younger counterpart. Her libido's stronger, her fear of pregnancy gone.

Older women are forthright and honest. They'll tell you right off you are a jerk if you are acting like one.

Yes, we praise older women for a multitude of reasons. Unfortunately, it's not reciprocal. For every stunning, smart, well-coifed babe of 70 there is a bald, paunchy relic in yellow pants making a fool of himself with some 22 year old waitress.

[Aloe]

Interesting idea. You have a good point about them being internet virgins 

[Bart]

Disagree.  There are many pretty RW over 45. 

I agree.  The streets and shops are filled with attractive women in their middle years.  I think his idea is a good one.  But write first and switch girls.  Much better than dropping the daughter for the mother after she falls in love with you!

[kievstar]

Regarding the RW in Ukraine over 45 they just look like 55 years old and beaten down.  Not talking about weight - face looks worn and reason many have the thick makeup. They lived a tough life.  The women under 40 look great in the face.  Probably will change as life is easier now. I am talking about meeting women face to face and not pictures on the internet. My experience.  Mainly Kiev. 

Never been to Russia so that country maybe different on women over 45. But USA has a ton of good looking women over 45 years old.  If you want a woman over 45 you have no competition why waste time dating the daughter.  Just move there and in 6 months you will be married easily.

I will agree that Chicago area has very heavy women.  Glad I live in Texas now. 

Gator, I changed a little.  I like women now with a little more meat on them. 

The date the daughter bang the mother is a fantasy for many men.  Wonder how serious you are about marriage.  I see why the married or ex married guys like it - your living maybe their fanasty.  I still see a trainwreck but maybe your just looking for fun.  But need to move to phone conversations and quit writing letters.  What does the mother really think of this? Or is the daughter getting ready for shopping trip and tell you mother is on holiday.

 

[kievstar]

Just scrolled up and saw that you spoke on the phone with some of the mothers.  Seems unrealistic that several speak fluent English.  Are you writing through an agency and there bringing people in to act like mothers?

When you flying over? Hopefully in February. 

[Misha]

If you want a woman over 45 you have no competition why waste time dating the daughter. 

The date the daughter bang the mother is a fantasy for many men. 

Maybe I missed something, but I thought facetrock made it clear that he had no intention of dating the daughter, that he was not asking the daughter for a date, simply whether her mother was single  ???

[Faux Pas]

Maybe I missed something, but I thought facetrock made it clear that he had no intention of dating the daughter, that he was not asking the daughter for a date, simply whether her mother was single  ???

Well therein lies the rub.

If facetrock is seriously looking for ladies in their 40's, there is plenty of them out there that are both english speaking and  internet savvy, ready to meet him without inference or interference from a daughter and very attractive. Communicating with a daughter to reach a mother seems like the long way around. Besides the fact that the daughter may "believe" the mother to be "hot" to this old guy thats chatting her up when in fact, it is the daughters looks that prompted the inquiry and having nothing to do with the mother.

A novel approach I'll admit but, it is (without getting too Freudian) a reason to communicate with the daughter as opposed to his stated target. Why? He could communicate with 20 women in their 40's and likely have them all reply or he could communicate with 20 daughters of which approximately half would have single mothers and of those how many would he find interesting enough to visit? Half again leaves him with 5.

From the OP it seemed to me he is looking for more a reason/excuse to communicate with young hotties. Why inject the 3rd wheel in the picture when you can go directly to the source?

[BillyB]

I think facetrock is on to something and not in a perverted way. He's getting to communicate with single ladies in their late 30's-40's who probably can't or don't care for whatever reason to use the internet to search for love and he has much less competition. He also will have the daughter's approval if she does indeed go back to tell her mother a man wrote asking about her.

I wouldn't dismiss facetrock's method of finding ladies. Many woman appreciate a man who is creative when he hunts her down. I once mentioned using a dating site that gave out full contact info and I said I called FSU ladies out of the blue. One poster chastised me out in the open forum for doing that. He later confessed privately it was a great idea and it worked for him. Most of the ladies he called were happy to hear his voice.

[rambler]

Well it is an amusing concept and it happened to me twice.  
A girl on Mamba sent me her Moms pics. I was not interested but it was a serious gesture.
 
And a young' un I met from Kharkhov brought her Mom along ...  The three of us were staying in an apartment ....  It was obvious the Mom was interested. I fled, it was too weird!  I was watching TV in their bedroom sandwiched between Momma and daughter who was wearing a short baby doll and showing me her Yoga poses. The daughter was not the same girl as in the photos, or if she was, she was unrecognisable. I was livid.  Really you must Skype with these girls first. They very often have ripped off Photoshop on their laptops and can add 5 lbs on top and take it off elsewhere, blue their brown eyes and tell you - Oh forgot,  blue contacts. All is fair in Love and War I guess...

Rambler