The Good, the bad, the ugly,... Get the truth.

[ECOCKS]

On a humorous note...

One of the most successful gift-giving events I've performed was giving my wife a medium-sized jewlery box shaped like a small armoire. I walked in one day and she was sitting on the bed playing with the doors and drawers as she put different pieces into the various nooks and crannies it offered. She calls it her "jewelry house", saying "box" doesn't fit the piece very well. I remarked she could consider it a goal to fill it with her jewelry and to be sure to let me know if it got too small to hold her things. She looked at it a moment and responded that she doubted she would ever have more than it could hold.

Somewhere, I am sure the Russians have an equivalent expression that you "attract more things with honey than vinegar....."

[Amerkanski]

Why bother to take a ring that you know you will return with anyway...?

Because it's a substantial investment and could cause problems if she wore it.

  

Three months salary! Are you sure you can afford this RW venture?

I live and work there

The common view of marriage to American gentlemen has changed vastly in Eastern Europe over the past years..they know what's going on...He went to Jarad! New engagement rings...new....starts at $389.99

Would you really want you wife running around in public in the States with $400 engagement ring?

[Mike78]

...."it WOULD probably fit". If you going to try and insult someone at least structure it right.

Shadow seem to be Dutch from his profile. What kind of excuse do YOU have for using "your" instead of "you're", etc. ?

[Amerkanski]

Shadow seem to be Dutch from his profile. What kind of excuse do YOU have for using "your" instead of "you're", etc. ?

I didn't use "your" I just was typing too fast to put 're. Now get attention elsewhere, or please stay on topic, or GFY.

 Use of vulgarity, even if masked in an acronym. 2nd Warning overall.

[tfcrew]

Would you really want you wife running around in public in the States with $400 engagement ring?

? Why would it be an 'engagement ring' ...?
My wife is married.







 

[ECOCKS]

Come on folks, what's happening here lately?

People are getting all bent out of shape over punctuation, contractions, usage and such as still another means for insulting and attacking others. While some of our members appreciate the occasional correction (especialy in the chatroom) as they develop their language skills, the vast majority of the comments are regarding situations where the intent and thought was easily understood.

If you get involved in a pissing contest don't be surprised if you go home all wet.....

[Seeker]

Come on folks, what's happening here lately?

People are getting all bent out of shape over punctuation, contractions, usage and such as still another means for insulting and attacking others. While some of our members appreciate the occasional correction (especialy in the chatroom) as they develop their language skills, the vast majority of the comments are regarding situations where the intent and thought was easily understood.

If you get involved in a pissing contest don't be surprised if you go home all wet.....

Well said....  And I hope you do not mind if I borrow the bolded part and use it in real life. 

[Admin]

...."it WOULD probably fit". If you going to try and insult someone at least structure it right.

It seems you might benefit from another quick read of the Guidelines for Civil Discourse (provided you previously, BTW). Navigate to this link -- http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=7223.0 - and pay particular attention to the 7th bullet point.

I didn't use "your" I just was typing too fast to put 're. Now get attention elsewhere, or please stay on topic, or GFY.

As you can see throughout RWD, we often make use of 'shorthand' - and in the case of YOUR shorthand, you are using vulgarities that will see you permanently separated from RWD should it continue.

- Dan

[Amerkanski]

It seems you might benefit from another quick read of the Guidelines for Civil Discourse (provided you previously, BTW). Navigate to this link -- http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=7223.0 - and pay particular attention to the 7th bullet point.

As you can see throughout RWD, we often make use of 'shorthand' - and in the case of YOUR shorthand, you are using vulgarities that will see you permanently separated from RWD should it continue.

- Dan

Dan are they getting warnings? That Dutch guy has been trolling me hard.

[dogspot]

Would you really want you wife running around in public in the States with $400 engagement ring?

 
 
Oh Jeez...You really do make Americans look bad.

[Amerkanski]

 
Oh Jeez...You really do make Americans look bad.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=7223.0

.When unsure of what another poster means by what they have written, ask for clarification. So please explain how I make Americans look bad?
    
.Use civil and helpful, not hurtful language (such as name-calling)
.Reliance on labels for groups of people is often the first step toward the negative. Whenever possible, avoid them. They rarely add to the quality of any discussion


So again can you please clarify what you mean...

[Daveman]

Well, overall, I think this thread is clearly demonstrative of "The good, the bad, the ugly" from the western side.

As far as rings go (I guess that falls under the topic of good, bad, or ugly, depending on individual perspective  ), yeah, it's western etiquette that the engagement ring is a little different for a normal gift and more of a symbol representing a promise. So I guess one's opinion depends upon whether the individual views the ring as a gift, or as a symbol of a promise.

Personally, I see it as a symbol and a gift -- once anything is given, it's given. A done deal.  I guess if I had given it to a insincere woman, I'd be regretful, feel like an idiot, and wish I hadn't. I dunno exactly what I would feel in that situation, but in a normal scenario where the relationship had progressed in love and good faith, I really wouldn't expect it to be returned.

[Amerkanski]

Well, overall, I think this thread is clearly demonstrative of "The good, the bad, the ugly" from the western side.

As far as rings go (I guess that falls under the topic of good, bad, or ugly, depending on individual perspective   ), yeah, it's western etiquette that the engagement ring is a little different for a normal gift and more of a symbol representing a promise. So I guess one's opinion depends upon whether the individual views the ring as a gift, or as a symbol of a promise.

Personally, I see it as a symbol and a gift -- once anything is given, it's given. A done deal.  I guess if I had given it to a insincere woman, I'd be regretful, feel like an idiot, and wish I hadn't. I dunno exactly what I would feel in that situation, but in a normal scenario where the relationship had progressed in love and good faith, I really wouldn't expect it to be returned.

I PM the questioned instead.

[Seeker]

Well, overall, I think this thread is clearly demonstrative of "The good, the bad, the ugly" from the western side.

As far as rings go (I guess that falls under the topic of good, bad, or ugly, depending on individual perspective  ), yeah, it's western etiquette that the engagement ring is a little different for a normal gift and more of a symbol representing a promise. So I guess one's opinion depends upon whether the individual views the ring as a gift, or as a symbol of a promise.

Personally, I see it as a symbol and a gift -- once anything is given, it's given. A done deal.  I guess if I had given it to a insincere woman, I'd be regretful, feel like an idiot, and wish I hadn't. I dunno exactly what I would feel in that situation, but in a normal scenario where the relationship had progressed in love and good faith, I really wouldn't expect it to be returned.

That is how I see it too.  A promise and a gift.  Why would I want it back?  I would hope she keeps it as a memory, or sells it for what little money it might bring.

[Amerkanski]

That is how I see it too.  A promise and a gift.  Why would I want it back?  I would hope she keeps it as a memory, or sells it for what little money it might bring.

Wow, what happens if it's a $20k ring.

[Seeker]

Wow, what happens if it's a $20k ring.

Then I would be the stupid fool.

[Turboguy]

If you can afford a $ 20k ring then it should be a minor loss to you if she keeps it.  If she insists on a $ 20k ring and dumps you it was the best $ 20k you spend and saved you 10 times that or more.

[Jooky]

Amerikanski,

Where do you encounter these bride hunter guys that go as far as to tell you about their engagement ring plans? In Volgograd? Is there some bar or restaurant where these guys typically go?

The way I see it, an engagement ring is a symbol of trust. If you have to lie to your fiancee and take it back 'temporarily for insurance reasons' it's a symbol of mistrust and that sets the tone for disaster.

If a guy doesn't trust his fiancee, she shouldn't be a fiancee and if you rub your mistrust for someone in their face, don't be surprised when they turn on you.

[UTRO]

That is how I see it too.  A promise and a gift.  Why would I want it back?  I would hope she keeps it as a memory, or sells it for what little money it might bring.

Exactly Seeker, the ring is used goods.... like the former fianceé would be... sorry that sounds bad! It was given in Good Faith.
But yes, a Gift is a Gift.... would you ask for the watch, camera, ipod, necklace, bracelet, bmw and moscow river condo back too?!? 
There used to be a term for this and I think it's Politically Incorrect now...... Indian Giver.

[Amerkanski]

Where do you encounter these bride hunter guys that go as far as to tell you about their engagement ring plans? In Volgograd? Is there some bar or restaurant where these guys typically go?

You need to re-read the story and it will answer your question.

The way I see it, an engagement ring is a symbol of trust. If you have to lie to your fiancee and take it back 'temporarily for insurance reasons' it's a symbol of mistrust and that sets the tone for disaster.

If a guy doesn't trust his fiancee, she shouldn't be a fiancee and if you rub your mistrust for someone in their face, don't be surprised when they turn on you.

I don't 100% agree with you on this : engagement ring is a symbol of trust. Trust, but always verify.

[Seeker]

Exactly Seeker, the ring is used goods.... like the former fianceé would be... sorry that sounds bad! It was given in Good Faith.
But yes, a Gift is a Gift.... would you ask for the watch, camera, ipod, necklace, bracelet, bmw and moscow river condo back too?!? 
There used to be a term for this and I think it's Politically Incorrect now...... Indian Giver.

As a person 1/8th Native American I am fully aware of your reference, and there is no insult...  But there is a somewhat funny story attached to it...

It was one of those cultural things. 

[UTRO]

As a person 1/8th Native American I am fully aware of your reference, and there is no insult...  But there is a somewhat funny story attached to it...

Please enlighten a cheap Scotsman Damn, stereotyping my own ethnicity now :

[ECOCKS]

Well, when I "give" something, I don't expect it to be mine anymore.

That said, if the ring is clearly "given" as the token binding the agreement to marry, then I think it's reasonable to expect/hope for her to give it back if she calls it off. Even if you call it off, I believe that a "good" woman would give it back since it is an empty symbol for her as well. She may not, in which case, as many are pointing out, it's a far less expensive lesson than marrying her in the first place.

Seeker, while I agree that the ring "means" nothing anymore, it still has a real value. Jewelry is usually returnable or at least has a trade-in value. If it's a heirloom then it can be returned to the family as a treasure for the future but I'd have a hard time offering that same piece of jewelry to another woman as a symbol of my love for her.

[Jooky]

Come on, I'm not going to sift through 20 pages of this thread.

I remember you mentioning talking to some bride hunter guys on a plane trip. Is that where you've heard these stories? If not, then where? Why not just give a straight answer?

Trust, but always verify.

A future wife should be treated as a friend not a political adversary, in my opinion. Treat a woman like a 'mail order bride' and she's likely to act like one.

[Seeker]

Please enlighten a cheap Scotsman Damn, stereotyping my own ethnicity now :

The term "Indian Giving" was a misunderstanding of ideals, and why the gift was given...

Though probably appropriate under some circumstances.  More recent of course.