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[Aloe]

Hi guys!
this morning was rich on scam and I would like to show you what letters get odinary woman in searching
 I put this letter as I got it
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i must be upfront and very direct with you, I am an extremely affectionate and sexual man i love to show my woman affection in public as well in private i love when my woman does very sexy things to me and for me to make me smile like i do for her,as for what i do, i work in a warehouse and live in LA California,i do not play games, what i am looking for is serious i am also a hardy male meaning i like things outdoors in the raw of nature, so after reading this and you are still interested in me please tell me about yourself and how affectionate you are and send me your lovely photos so i can see your face and body to my mail and i will send you mine, this is the kind of woman i am looking for if you think this is you please let me know.....I am direct and open i am not afraid of any questions you might have and i hope you can handle the fact that i am blunt in who i am and any answers i have to your questions.i am very outgoing and i love the outdoors as well as laying back watching movies or listening to music i am a light smoker and an occasional drinker.blackbuddababy*** at yahoo. com so please send me mail and your photos......
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for fun - what you see in it?
and after I say - what I see in it
don't doubt - there are so many wise men here
good luck!

very softcore ive run across guys who openly say how they want their future wife to sleep with lots of other men and he would watch. Not one guy, several guys.

[Aloe]

Another guy wrote offering green card and college tuition in exchange for having the exclusive right of "ravaging my body for 3 years". There are many weirdos out there, but hey, at least they are open and honest up front, its a lot better instead of running into such "surprises" after marriage

[Daveman]

Hi guys!
this morning was rich on scam and I would like to show you what letters get odinary woman in searching
 I put this letter as I got it
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i must be upfront and very direct with you, I am an extremely affectionate and sexual man i love to show my woman affection in public as well in private i love when my woman does very sexy things to me and for me to make me smile like i do for her,as for what i do, i work in a warehouse and live in LA California,i do not play games, what i am looking for is serious i am also a hardy male meaning i like things outdoors in the raw of nature, so after reading this and you are still interested in me please tell me about yourself and how affectionate you are and send me your lovely photos so i can see your face and body to my mail and i will send you mine, this is the kind of woman i am looking for if you think this is you please let me know.....I am direct and open i am not afraid of any questions you might have and i hope you can handle the fact that i am blunt in who i am and any answers i have to your questions.i am very outgoing and i love the outdoors as well as laying back watching movies or listening to music i am a light smoker and an occasional drinker.blackbuddababy*** at yahoo. com so please send me mail and your photos......
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for fun - what you see in it?
and after I say - what I see in it
don't doubt - there are so many wise men here
good luck!

I see that he's a normal guy wanting the normal things, so there's just not a need to list it in the profile or really mention that in a letter (because it's normal) unless he's met a bunch of women who don't like sex (with him) in the past.  He also wants someone who is openly affectionate and not ashamed to show affection in public. Some people are aloof in public, others don't care.  He's looking for the latter.

He wants to portray himself as the rugged outdoorsy type.

Overall, I see nothing exceptionally weird at all, but more a guy who has little skill in the art of seduction.  In my experience, it seems women love, crave, respond to being "seduced and conquered", first mentally and then physically (oh, oh, I tried to resist, but I just couldn't).. heh.. over simplification of course.

If he has good photos, I'd say he does get some responses, but not nearly as many as he could get.  

This is probably his opening "canned" letter.  Women do this too.  So he's probably sent this one to many ladies.  Depends on the objective. If one wants to blanket cover as many women as possible, then this would be the way to do it, but it probably doesn't have nearly as high of a response rate as an individualized letter, inspired by a specific profile, written specifically for her.

[facetrock]

Daveman. Any guy who would write a letter like that has either zero class or zero intelligence or both. I agree most guys want a woman that looks sexy, shows affection, likes sex etc. But to state it in a sleazy way in a first letter shows alot about the moron writing the letter.

[Daveman]

Daveman. Any guy who would write a letter like that has either zero class or zero intelligence or both. I agree most guys want a woman that looks sexy, shows affection, likes sex etc. But to state it in a sleazy way in a first letter shows alot about the moron writing the letter.

Which goes back to my 90% idiocy rule... I think roughly 90% of the people in the world are idiots...    so they just can't comprehend a better method... if he's indeed "serious" as the letter claims.

So what did he write that all normal people do not actually want?  Who doesn't want sex? who doesn't want affection?  More like stating the obvious for reasons known only to him. 

[facetrock]

  Guys dont have to tell women they like sex, a hot looking woman and lots of attention. Women have known this for tens of thousands of years.
  When you write an opening letter like that to a woman its like telling the whole world you have no game what so ever.
  Most women like to be seduced but not in the first paragraph of the first letter.

[Daveman]

  Guys dont have to tell women they like sex, a hot looking woman and lots of attention. Women have known this for tens of thousands of years.
  When you write an opening letter like that to a woman its like telling the whole world you have no game what so ever.
  Most women like to be seduced but not in the first paragraph of the first letter.

facetrock, I follow you and agree, but how is what you are saying there different from what I posted?  I must be missing something and suddenly flirting with the Davemandosa idiocy line... heh

[facetrock]

He is stating the obvious but women seldom want to here it right away. The fact that he has no social skills is obvious. But the way the letter reads he really belongs in the freak section. Guys this open and demanding are seldom just lacking in social skills. They usually have other problems.
  Theres alot of "I want it my way" in that letter.

[FredC]

All I can say is that most likely that only woman, notice I did not say lady, that would answer that letter is the same kind of person that would write it. Two scammers believing that they have a live one. ......lol

[Daveman]

He is stating the obvious but women seldom want to here it right away. The fact that he has no social skills is obvious. But the way the letter reads he really belongs in the freak section. Guys this open and demanding are seldom just lacking in social skills. They usually have other problems.
  Theres alot of "I want it my way" in that letter.

Okay now I see where the confusion lies.  I was suggesting that it isn't necessary to state that in any letter, right away or otherwise.  But the problem with the 90% is the obvious isn't all that obvious. The initial letters are for seducing the mind -- pique her curiosity and interest (attraction), build upon it,, etc.. if a more sexy conversation develops at some point, it would be much more personal as opposed to something ridiculous such as "I like sex and want a woman to do things sexual that I like same as I do for her"... DUH.. GUH.. GLEEP... people who are truly attracted to each other naturally have sexual inclinations.. and those develop naturally and personally... no need at all for generic statements about sex ever unless one falls into the category of "I hate sex", or "I'm attracted to inflatable sheep" .. so probably those individuals should be up front about it.. 

[Shadow]

There is a 90% chance that Daveman likes to state 90% 

[Rina_G]

OK guys!
Thanks for your opinion
and whay I've seen in this letter
1. I prefer to read letter for me. so it must start from my name/ Is it wrong for USA?
2. I prefer to know name of man
3. I guess all of us have some sexual dreams and I don't think it's wrong
4. you're right - it's first letter to unknown woman/ So if man writes me about sex (and forgot to write my name) I think that this man want only sex, just sex and nothing more.
What diferents with wich women? he want sex but not woman.
I thought all serious relations begin as unserious. it maybe light, easy and funny.
but here I have obligate to be sex-bomb. I won't
how about prostitute?
last question - who will reply him - noone real woman. just scammers

[BillyB]

I thought all serious relations begin as unserious. it maybe light, easy and funny.

Men who come off as too serious talking about marriage a future with a woman in the first letter can be a turn off for women as much as men who talk about sex in their first letter. Women don't want a desperate man.

last question - who will reply him - noone real woman. just scammers

 Most women have enough guys who talk normal and show interest that they don't need a guy to say they want to get into her pants the first letter. The guy who wrote you understands women want a good lover but he doesn't understand how to communicate with women to even get to first base.

[Gator]

Rina,

Your "blackbuddababy" is not a scammer.  He is honest. 

-  He does not have someone help him craft a finely written intro letter.

-  He does not lie about his less than stellar job. 

-  He is upfront that he likes sex.

-  He writes nothing that would be seductive to most women.

He is probably safe.  In contrast, dangerous men such as Joran van der Sloot, are charming.  He is perhaps one of the prototype targets for a RW scammer who would seduce him with nude photos and then ask for money to make a sexy video just for him.

[Gator]

He is stating the obvious but women seldom want to here it right away.

You are correct, even for very sexual women.  I have corresponded with a couple of RW whom I consider seriously oversexed.  These two RW advanced through identical steps. 

The first step was meeting her criteria for photo, height, education, etc.  Then came personality compatibility via a few emails and photo attachments.  Third was intellectual foreplay over the phone.  Then she shared special photos.  It culminated with her opening her phonecam on Skype (or Yahoo) .....

In both cases the RW took the lead other than my writing the initial letter.  Admittedly, I was easily led, coming out of a divorce.   

If such a woman is your cup of tea, they are out there.

[Daveman]

I thought all serious relations begin as unserious. it maybe light, easy and funny.

I agree with that completely (or maybe 90%  )... it seems though for some reason everything gets too serious too soon (not talking about sexual comments/innuendo in the opening letter.. that's just dumb).  I guess it happens with the guys, like BillyB mentioned, talking about marriage early on in communication and coming across as desperate, but it happens with the ladies too.  It seems sort of like planting a seed, and then the moment it sprouts a little, reaching down and trying to pull it into growth and thus uprooting the thing. 

I'm sure a lot of that has to do with the compressed nature of this, the lack of ample face time, the ticking of biological clocks as well as a myriad of other possible factors.  For a woman to talk about marriage and babies and all of that in the first letters is about as much of a turn off for me as the sexual comments are for the ladies.  I like lighthearted and fun communication, with some serious topics splashed in, but when I feel as if I'm on a conveyor belt to marriage I get that instinctual feeling of "RUN Forest Run!!"  So the "desperate" behavior kills a relationship with what could be a very sincere person, or opens the other doors to the Pit of Despair... I guess it's okay if two desperate, or 'rapidly forward' 

I think coming across as desperate brings the worst samples from both genders out the woodwork - scammers and/or sex tourists.  "Tell 'em what they want to hear to get what I want" whether it's money, gifts, sex, or worse - marriage for less than legitimate or honest reasons.

Scammers and sex tourists are, by the nature of the game, manipulators (as are good salesmen).  So they target those with whom they will have the most likelihood of success - the ones who *want* to believe because it is at that point of truly wanting to believe that the real thinking process ceases and the journey after the wil o' wisp begins.

Guys seem oblivious as to how they themselves open the door to being scammed... and it's the same for the ladies - oblivious as to how they got taken for a ride (pun intended) by a playboy.

[Daveman]

You are correct, even for very sexual women.  I have corresponded with a couple of RW whom I consider seriously oversexed.  These two RW advanced through identical steps. 

The first step was meeting her criteria for photo, height, education, etc.  Then came personality compatibility via a few emails and photo attachments.  Third was intellectual foreplay over the phone.  Then she shared special photos.  It culminated with her opening her phonecam on Skype (or Yahoo) .....

In both cases the RW took the lead other than my writing the initial letter.  Admittedly, I was easily led, coming out of a divorce.   

If such a woman is your cup of tea, they are out there.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... HMMMMMMMMMM

Still have either email address? I'm 90% sure I'd like to chat with her (let's see what she thinks about my inflatasheep, at a 90% inflation rate of course)

[SomeGuy]

Hi guys!
this morning was rich on scam and I would like to show you what letters get odinary woman in searching
 I put this letter as I got it
***
i must be upfront and very direct with you, I am an extremely affectionate and sexual man i love to show my woman affection in public as well in private i love when my woman does very sexy things to me and for me to make me smile like i do for her,as for what i do, i work in a warehouse and live in LA California,i do not play games, what i am looking for is serious i am also a hardy male meaning i like things outdoors in the raw of nature, so after reading this and you are still interested in me please tell me about yourself and how affectionate you are and send me your lovely photos so i can see your face and body to my mail and i will send you mine, this is the kind of woman i am looking for if you think this is you please let me know.....I am direct and open i am not afraid of any questions you might have and i hope you can handle the fact that i am blunt in who i am and any answers i have to your questions.i am very outgoing and i love the outdoors as well as laying back watching movies or listening to music i am a light smoker and an occasional drinker.blackbuddababy*** at yahoo. com so please send me mail and your photos......
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for fun - what you see in it?
and after I say - what I see in it
don't doubt - there are so many wise men here
good luck!

I was surprised to see rivcardo give her full email address on a forum, but I noticed you blanked his out from your mail, which was probably the right thing to do.

Others gave some good observations, and Seeker, don't worry, there are certainly far worse than whatever letters you may write to someone; I've seen some not dissimilar to this one.

Impressions: He is probably real, but real doesn't mean good, nor is it likely that he has any form of higher education whatsoever.  He works in a warehouse, it's unlikely he would be visiting you any time soon.  Yes, certainly he might be an illiterate but rich warehouse owner, but I'll go with my gut here.  He's looking for someone to engage in virtual sex or fantasies, nothing more or less, but remains unlikely to   He's asked absolutely nothing about you except for your sexual response and pictures (make sure you include your body ), with a completely canned letter.

Summary: Isn't that enough?    I'll go for bored, possibly married guy who is unlikely to make it on a plane.  Only you can decide if that is a good thing or bad thing.

[Rina_G]

OK - positiv pesilt
Men have to know FSUW - habbits and minds.
FSUW have to know the same about AM
really we're very different - lol
Thanks all
to be continue

[Seeker]

OK - positiv pesilt
Men have to know FSUW - habbits and minds.
FSUW have to know the same about AM
really we're very different - lol
Thanks all
to be continue

I think the problem is we try to learn these things from behind a keyboard.  Face to face may be scary, but it is the only way to really get to know a person.

From both sides (F/M or R/A) it is no different really than local dates.  Just a bit more exotic and expensive (meaning the trip, not the man or woman).  We are the same, man or woman, no matter who we are dating or what country we come from.

[Rina_G]

I think the problem is we try to learn these things from behind a keyboard.  Face to face may be scary, but it is the only way to really get to know a person.

From both sides (F/M or R/A) it is no different really than local dates.  Just a bit more exotic and expensive (meaning the trip, not the man or woman).  We are the same, man or woman, no matter who we are dating or what country we come from.

totaly agree
I always say - Internet is very light thing. you can ask what you never ask in real date. 
Once I asked man - if you saw local lady first time did you ask her about her sexual fantasy?
He said me - bye 
but in any case (I ask about it women) - real men (who do wants to look for good wife) never writes such first letter/
I had good teacher english language and dating from US. His name Jerry.
and he said me: never put on dating sites naked/underwear pics. Noone right man doesn't want his future wife to look all world naked. Is he wrong?
   

 

[Gator]

I had good teacher english language and dating from US. His name Jerry.
and he said me: never put on dating sites naked/underwear pics. Noone right man doesn't want his future wife to look all world naked. Is he wrong?
   

I agree with Jerry.   The Internet is public, and your Internet photo should resemble how you walk around in public.  Do you want to show those photos at RWD?

Your photo is the same as "bait" in fishing.  Use the bait that appeals to the type of fish you want to catch. 

Sex is important to me (even at my age  ); however, I am more interested in what a woman and I would do during the other 23 hours of a day.  A woman who concentrates on my sexual desires perhaps has nothing else to be proud of. 

Personally, I was not interested in women who had revealing bikini photos or provocative poses on the Internet.  A few women (less than 5%) sent me these photos even though I did not solicit them.  That was fine if we had already traded a few emails or talked on the phone and there seemed to be some chemistry.

Rina, you seem very sexual.  That is great, yet I suggest that you not flaunt it explicitly in the early stages.  One woman I dated years ago was very sexual, and she made it evident with words.  We had corresponded for a few weeks, trading maybe 5 emails. On my birthday she said, "I am wrapping a special present for you - my panties with my scent."  I asked if she looks into her man's eyes when kissing.  Her response, "It depends upon where my man is kissing me."  Such appealed to me far more than provocative photos. 

That is me. Other men will differ.

[SomeGuy]

totaly agree
I always say - Internet is very light thing. you can ask what you never ask in real date. 
Once I asked man - if you saw local lady first time did you ask her about her sexual fantasy?
He said me - bye 
but in any case (I ask about it women) - real men (who do wants to look for good wife) never writes such first letter/
I had good teacher english language and dating from US. His name Jerry.
and he said me: never put on dating sites naked/underwear pics. Noone right man doesn't want his future wife to look all world naked. Is he wrong?

I also agree with this, but people are different.  There is a different definition of what is appropriate, sexy, or classy.  While some pictures might be nice to look at, they may also reveal something about the person posting them.  If looking for a serious relationship, why would someone write to someone whose pictures focus more on casual sex, unless that was what they were looking for?  That doesn't mean to not be attractive, but someone can also be sexy without baring all.

About asking what you never ask on a real date, there are some things that may be easier to discuss online, which has advantages in that you can get to know someone fairly well, but only IF you try to.  The other side is as you say, some people will say or ask things entirely inappropriate, or will pretend to be someone that they are not, and the same can be said for forums as well, not only emails.  Others are very similar or the same person online or off, it just depends on the people involved.

[BillyB]

I always say - Internet is very light thing. you can ask what you never ask in real date. 
Once I asked man - if you saw local lady first time did you ask her about her sexual fantasy?
He said me - bye 

I don't think the man was mature enough to have that kind of conversation or wasn't into you that much. If a woman asked me that question, I would think she is trying to find some things about me sexually or try to find out if I have a perverted mind. I would answer the question that you asked the man "Although I am a man and have normal desires for a woman, I would not ask a woman I met for the first time her sexual fantasy."

I know lots of RW get asked the question from RM "What is your favorite sexual position?" on a first date.

I had good teacher english language and dating from US. His name Jerry.
and he said me: never put on dating sites naked/underwear pics. Noone right man doesn't want his future wife to look all world naked. Is he wrong?

I think women who put up nude and  underwear pics are wanting to attract men for a short term fling or to get access to their wallet. I don't judge women as much who put up bikini photos but I do respect the women who doesn't post her bikini photos on the internet but saves the bikini photos for their man in private communications.

There are some guys who show RW nude/underwear pics of themselves including one poster at this forum. When chastised, they claim it's art as a defense. I guess perverts don't exist?

[Rina_G]

I know lots of RW get asked the question from RM "What is your favorite sexual position?" on a first date.

At first date - maybe
but not at second phrase (first phrase was Hi!)
the rest - I agree, I fee the same
thank Billy