Life Changes...Part Deux

[GQBlues]

So Boethius you can say when the economy get's better the women will not be leaving.  I do not believe that most women are leaving today because of the economy, but more to do with the Rus/Ukr men.

Well, FWIW, I will side with Boethius a bit on this one Jack. It isn't too difficult to see there's a bit of difference in the economies between Russia and Ukraine these days and it isn't a coincidence that the MOB is a bit more pronounced in Ukraine than Russia today.

Better economies for both these countries will definitely impact the MOB that we know today, like it had impacted the MOB we knew 5-10 years ago. The better the respective economies in these countries become, the more enabled it's female population with ease of international travel. Life and sounds of the west will no longer be a mystery.

Lastly, you can sift through Mamba and you will notice a great deal more RM/UM in that network than western men. Why did Mamba get it's popularity in the past 8 years? Because of ex-pats. FSUWs, if given a choice between a RM/UM living out west and in the same places WMs are, the greater percentage of them will opt for RMs/UMs.

[possum]

Jezzus folks, does the hypocrisy not bother you at all, not one little bit?. You have the nerve to blame RM for being irresponsible when it comes to their offspring, and yet you yourselves are chasing said offspring.. In my experience, the staunchest critics of RM as unfaithful deadbeats have no use for women most RM will date, particularly women over 30 with "baggage". I realize it's good for your egos to trash RM every chance you get, but at least have the decency to acknowledge your own less than noble proclivities..

[GoodOlBoy]

FSUWs, if given a choice between a RM/UM living out west and in the same places WMs are, the greater percentage of them will opt for RMs/UMs.

I completely agree with this statement GQ, because I have witnessed it myself first hand here where I live.
I could be wrong in my observations/interpretations, BUT....I almost see an attitude of "envy" by FSUW toward their counterparts that were able to find and marry RM/UM here in the GoodOl' USA.
Which really reinforces what Boethius was saying up-thread.
Given the same economic situations/opportunities in the FSU as we have here, there would be less FSUW (at least desirable ones) available for marriage to foreigners.

GOB

[Faux Pas]

Jezzus folks, does the hypocrisy not bother you at all, not one little bit?. You have the nerve to blame RM for being irresponsible when it comes to their offspring, and yet you yourselves are chasing said offspring.. In my experience, the staunchest critics of RM as unfaithful deadbeats have no use for women most RM will date, particularly women over 30 with "baggage". I realize it's good for your egos to trash RM every chance you get, but at least have the decency to acknowledge your own less than noble proclivities..

That's a slippery slope you're treading there possum,IMHO. Your statement while true much of the time is also stereotyping with a broad brush of WM. My observation is many of the men in this pursuit that seem to make such statements concerning FSUM generally, do not know or have spent any considerable amount time with FSUM to actually know if what they state is true or not. Many times it's second hand information they gleaned from FSUW they communicate with or date. Rarely do these women speak highly of former mates or the fathers of their children.

This is much the same in the dating scene anywhere. It is not exclusive to the West or the East. Break ups more often than not end with one or both of the parties with bad feelings. The rarity is an amicable break up. Western men "want" to believe the hype (often perpetuated by the MOB business) that Eastern men are shiftless drunks. RW/UW many times use this as an excuse to cover for their own mistakes or inadequacies. Those in the know also know it's pure Bullsh!t. Just hype. Perhaps alcohol is more of a problem in the East with the male population but there is also the same problem in the West. Why it gets amplified as being an Eastern problem is IMO, directly related to the hype.

It all boils down to many times, many people tend to believe what they "want" to believe. The truth be damned

[possum]

Western men "want" to believe the hype (often perpetuated by the MOB business) that Eastern men are shiftless drunks. RW/UW many times use this as an excuse to cover for their own mistakes or inadequacies. Those in the know also know it's pure Bullsh!t. Just hype. Perhaps alcohol is more of a problem in the East with the male population but there is also the same problem in the West. Why it gets amplified as being an Eastern problem is IMO, directly related to the hype.

That sums it up rather nicely.. Thanks, Faux. 

[Lily]

Evidently, you don't travel in big circles in Toronto, Lily.  Stand outside Bay Street office towers, or walk through Yorkville, or even Holt Renfrew's women's department on a Saturday, and you will see dozens of women with the same or a better build, and who are more physically attractive.  

I do Boethius. I am active in coming elections in the Yorkville Ward, I do know in the doors of the posh neighborhood and talk to residents, sometimes I just talk to them on the streets. And I am often in downtown T.O. There are really some pretty women there, as you said, but definitely not at that quantities, and most of them do not present the whole package, by which I mean being tall, Caucasian, blond, slim and have a cute face. Plus good posture and manners. My take would be that this is still rare here.

Are you a current resident of Toronto Boethius? You know the city well. I though that you are in the States.

Misha, I have been in the UofT for a few social occasions, as well as in Ryerson. Still not that many attractive girls, IMHO.

Also, guys, times change, every year brings here more and more people from over the world. And as we knnow, the immigration selection criteria do not consider any beauty criteria

I often check out women every time when I stroll the Yonge street. One should know her competition Really, most women are something less than interesting, in contrast with what I used to see back home. Slim figure but no cuteness in face. Slim figure but bulges in unexpected place. Cute face but corpulent and does not carry herself well. And so on and so on.

My remark about the girl on the picture was not aimed at being sweet and kind I believe that I just expressed a blatant truth. She is apparently in the age bracket that is attractive to any men's group, to someone who is younger then herself, to those who are of same age, to those who are older, to those who are considerably older, to those who are much older, etc. till we get onto the men's group who lost every interest in the opposite sex because of their age.

Billy gets this girl because he was probably able to do it. He does because he can, that's it.

We have no idea, however, what does she think of her future with Bill. This will come in the thread, I suppose?

[facetrock]

  I agree that alot of men believe agency hype but there is some truth to some of it. Do RM drink more than WM? I think when the RM drink they really know how to tie one on which can give the impression to a foreigner that they are drunks. As far as there being more hard core alcoholics per capita there than here I really doubt it.

 Cheating. Happens everywhere. No difference IMHO.
 
  Domestic violence. Is there more in Russia than the Western countrys? I dont know for sure but I would suspect yes simply because the consequence of doing it in the west is far more severe than in Russia. I'm sure there are alot of western men who wish they could bitch slap their ex wives but if you do your in a whole heap of trouble complete with a night in jail after she calls the police whether you did anything or not. In many cases its not fair to men but it is one hell of a deterent, plus you get a criminal record forever.

  I dont think Russian women are more family oriented than western women. I think that term is confused with a woman wanting stability in her life. I hear the same thing here.

  Women from ages 18 to 30 are not any better looking there than here. 30 to 40 is a completly different story and it all has to do with weight. The women there are a hell of alot slimmer which makes them better looking. This age bracket is where the FSU totally smokes the western countries. There's really no comparison.  Over 40 there are alot of chunky women in Russia to but still not as many as here.
 
  Are western men better fathers. A favorite of the dating agency hype. I think a RM that is happily married with kids is just as good a father as any man in the west. Maybe even better but... After nine trips and probably well over a hundred days on the ground there is one thing I experience and continually hear over and over. After the divorce the man after a time seems to completly forget about his children, especially if he gets involved or married to another woman. I dont think its my bad luck that I just happen to meet only women who's exes just happen to forget the children ever existed. There has to be something more to it, something in the culture that allows this to happen. Sure, we have dead beat dads here too but I think in the FSU its a hell of alot more common and to a point socially acceptable and expected. I would say almost every man who has stepped foot in the FSU has heard this from women. Its way way to common to just be agency hype.
 

[kievstar]

Based on my experience when living and working in Ukraine in the big cities there are many women who move there to find jobs with family more than 2 hours away.  Some of these women are looking for a rich husband whether RM or foreign man, some looking to advance there career which is easier outside of Ukraine, and some just do not do well with RM.  I was not interested in these Kiev girls.  

I married one (not Kiev) that had just come off a 8 year rocky relationship with a rich RM who she turned down marriage to and I found her at the right time.  Spoke no English.  All about timing.  She met men through agencies before I met her  but not impressed with the men she saw - all old, little money, and not good at Russian speaking. 

Ukraine has better looking women than Russia reason more men go there.  Been To Russia enough past 6 months and not impressed with Moscow.  I see why a lot of the RM I know in Moscow go to Texas for women. Growing trend with oil and gas Russian executives.

[Boethius]

Lily, I don't live in Toronto, but I have spent a lot of time there.  You forget as well, because of North American "car culture", unless you hang out in the right places a lot, you just won't see a variety of women.  I don't think Caucasian women have any stronger claim to beauty.  It is just, perhaps, your preference.

I can't speak for Russia facet, but in Ukraine, women have the upper hand vis ŕ vis children.  They automatically obtain custody, and men's rights are curtailed.  Women often use that to make their exs' lives miserable.  They restrict visitation or make it impossible for men to interact with their children normally.  As men's legal rights are restricted, they give up.  Of course, men who are alcoholics generally don't have interest in their children.  

I used to hear the same complaints from women here.  That changed once the courts started looking at the "best interests of the child" rather than the rights of parents.  Don't underestimate what parents will do to punish each other.  FSUW are no different, in this respect, from anyone else.

[Misha]

Misha, I have been in the UofT for a few social occasions, as well as in Ryerson. Still not that many attractive girls, IMHO.

We will have to agree to disagree. Though, I do concede that I do not equate heels and too much make-up with beauty, so that certainly plays a role in my assessments...

[GQBlues]

I could be wrong in my observations/interpretations, BUT....I almost see an attitude of "envy" by FSUW toward their counterparts that were able to find and marry RM/UM here in the GoodOl' USA.

I'm convinced this is more than just sheer coincidence, GOB because I see it all the time, too. In my wife's circle of friends, the majority of the couples we entertain here are actually FSUWs/FSUMs. Out of every 10 couples, there will be about 6-7 couples that are FSU nationals. That isn't by design either. There just seem to be more of them than WMs/FSUWs where we are. There is one couple however where the RM actually petitioned and married a Filipina gal though, FWIW.

Anyway...maybe it's just me but I notice a certain element of response FSUWs have with FSUMs. I can't seem to put a finger on what exactly it is BUT, if pressed, I would say 'respect' is the best word I can come up with. It's almost as if FSUWs are programmed to respond to their men in an almost automatic favorable mode...therein lies the part of what I mean when I say never underestimate the value/significance of marrying unto your own culture'.

Maybe the RWD's female posters can chime in and give us their perspective on this...again, I'm not stating absolution but just sharing things based on my own personal observation.

We know of two RWs who married RMs after getting divorced with their previous WM hubbies...

[GoodOlBoy]

Anyway...maybe it's just me but I notice a certain element of response FSUWs have with FSUMs. I can't seem to put a finger on what exactly it is BUT, if pressed, I would say 'respect' is the best word I can come up with. Maybe the RWD's female posters can chime in and give us their perspective on this...again, I'm not stating absolution but just sharing things based on my own personal observation.

Yep....I have seen this same behavior myself SEVERAL times GQ.
I call it "attentiveness".
RW almost seem to "perk up" when they come in contact with a RM here.

We know of two RWs who married RMs after getting divorced with their previous WM hubbies...

Not trying to "top" you GQ, BUT...we have 3 women in our condo building alone that were previously married to AM (1 Cuban/American). They are now with RM/UM (2 married/1 living together).

According to my wife, the husbands (AM), didn't know how to "behave" themselves.

GOB

PS....Things that make you go hmmm.

[GQBlues]

According to my wife, the husbands (AM), didn't know how to "behave" themselves.

Oh the gossips stories I can tell you.... 

This is what happens when inexperienced social misfits sought to find wives in FSU on the sole notion of 'gotta git me one of dem wimmen' mentality.

[Gator]

Alcohol Abuse

Stay at an "all inclusive" resort in Turkey along the Russian Riviera and you will observe many RM with free booze available almost 24-7.  I have stayed at such resorts 5 times and have not yet seen one staggering drunk RM.   Sometimes boisterous, yes.  Most RM were interacting well with their children.  Alcohol consumption seemed no less or more than at a Club Med in the Caribbean.  

Cheating RM

During the summer I noticed a number of RW with children and no hubby.  Hubby remained in Moscow to work and to enjoy extra time in the evening with his mistress.  I say such jokingly because I gather such seems to  be generally accepted by RW.

One RW I knew talked openly about a series of lengthy affairs with married RM, few with unmarried men.

Bad Fathers

After divorce it seems that most fathers disappear, based on my talks with RW listed with marriage agencies, and such women may not typify most FSU divorces.

There was a period from 1998 to 2003 when it was difficult to earn money.  Maybe some of these absent fathers could offer little and were driven away.   RW have this mentality about a man providing for  his family.  Some of these "sweet on the outside" RW have sharp claws when angered.

As Faux Pas wrote, many believe what you want to believe

[chivo]

I've handled all cheap shots, insults and questions about the validity of this thread just fine so far and you think you're going to come here late into the game and prove BillyB is an idiot and doctor mom incompetent?

You could have played it safe and asked me my opinion on safe sex and watch my reply to see if I'd hang myself but no, in an all out effort to get me you decide to go for broke and announce to everyone an idiot is writing this thread. Every challenge I've got to answer so hope you don't feel dumb after this.

GOB, I have a picture in my head that you are talking to a doctor about birth control and after your conversation, you go tell everyone that the dumb doctor you spoke to has some strange view about safe sex. 

When I wrote my last post, I contemplated explaining for the dummies reading that pulling out before finishing is a way of birth control in a loving relationship/marriage and that I'm not talking safe sex with a woman I barely know. I knew I'd have to write that explanation now or later so I decided later in order to wait to see who'd open their mouth. Guess who opened their mouth?

This thread isn't only for you to learn about me but for me to learn about all of you. We can all learn about each other on how we react to certain situations or how emotionally affected we can get at times. I'm sure all the RW are reading with interest and amused by all the Western men getting flustered.

GOB, smart women will test the wit of a man they're dating especially if they're looking for a mate to pass on quality genes to future children. The dumb guys will not get a second date. You have taught the newbies a valuable lesson in your last post and it's not about safe sex.

Thank you. People could have searched the internet on their own and cut this thread back 2 pages but some chose to find anything said by anybody on the internet to dispute the "Official Day" Columbus discovered America. Doesn't matter if he landed on an island, he gets the credit for finding the whole place.

You have a nasty habit of trying to point out every little insignificant mistake of mine. The main problem is what you point out isn't even a mistake. I told you before in this thread there's more than one way to translate Russian to English. Read the search engine in the agency below for city names. Your L'viv is Lvov and your Ivano-Frankivsk is Ivano-Frankovsk to them. Go search many other dating sites that have Russian/Ukrainian employees who translated their cities names to English and you will find out ole BillyB isn't as wrong as you would like others to believe.

http://mydearwoman.com/women-look-men/For-Man-Search-ses-Page.html

No big loss to me. My theories isn't designed to attract men, only help them. I don't agree with other men's theories myself. The Cossack I spoke of earlier said all women belong in the kitchen. I said they belong in the kitchen and bedroom. The RW and RM at the table didn't take offence to his or my comments. If those RM have pleased their RW in their own ways for the RW to accept the role their man wants them in, then great. They are all happy. For some RW, it's important to please their man and I know it to be true because I have been pleased.

Is getting married a good way to measure success or finding a quality person to marry a better way to measure? I dated a RW who told me she got 17 marriage proposals this year. I didn't ask her for a second date but I didn't think she's a loser because she's single or I didn't want a 2nd date with her. I could have had at least 5 RW who would accept a marriage proposal from me this year but I'm not going to marry the first woman that will have me.

It's not talked about here at all but I think we all suspect most men will marry the first woman that would have them. They go to the FSU determined to seal the deal with a or any RW even if she's not compatible or marriage material. I'm picky and want someone that has the same ideals as I and walking the same path.

Most of you figured out by now I don't plan to be the woman in the house 50% of the time. I don't plan to be the woman in the house even 1% of the time. If I have to cook or clean for my lady if she's ill or tired, I would do it because I love her, not because it's my turn. I have to be the MAN of the house. A woman would have to naturally respect me for my brains and leadership. If a woman doesn't respect a man, she shouldn't marry him, period. I like being the boss. I'm the boss at work and those that work for me and those I work for respect me. I make a lot of good decisions and handle well those who try to shaft me. The respect given to me is earned, not because of my position.

People are trying to kill me to finish this! I guess that's a good thing. I've been fortunate to be working 6 days a week lately in this tough economy especially in the construction industry. Your government, not mine, bailed out the banks. The government didn't tell the banks to help it's citizens so the banks held onto the money and didn't loan money out to developers for their projects. Half the city inspectors have been fired since there's not much to inspect. If this government understood how capitalism works, they'd understand nearly everytime money moves and changes hands, they get to tax it which is good for them and they can keep their inspectors working and projects creating infrastructure happening which in turn create jobs for people who get a paycheck which in turn the government gets to tax.

I'm not purposely dragging this out. I'm just busy. I've also got kids that visit me occasionally. If it doesn't work out with A, I'd remain a single man and have to start Life Changes part 3. Now that could be another long story that could get people fired up even more. Although some people here can't handle some of the questions mom asked me, I've enjoyed my conversations with her. She doesn't hold back and the more she talks to me, through her I understand how A feels about me. If mom wasn't talking to me or not talking to me about anything serious, then I would take it as if mom doesn't have an interest in me getting together with her daughter.


A few days in Ivano-Frankivsk. Spelled the way to make Boethius happy and for me to stay out of an argument that may burn 2 more pages.

  We get to our apartment and pass by a school where A told me that she learned gymnastics there. She got kicked out because she grew too fast one year becoming too tall for her age. A told me that she could still put both legs behind her neck. I will admit that I had ungentlemanly thoughts at that moment.

Maybe I didn't look hard enough but I didn't see any Soviet style apartments in the city. The city looked different as if the Soviets never been there yet it was in Ukraine. A and mom tells me that most people in the area do not like Russians. The people there looked different too as they did in Lviv. If you can tell the difference between Poles and Russians, both are Slavic, many of the people in Western Ukraine looked Polish.

I finished taking a shower in the apartment and come out with no shirt and wearing only shorts. It is cooler in Western Ukraine but still hot to the point I feel more comfortable with less clothes on. A is sitting on the couch watching tv so I lay on the couch and put my head on her lap. A puts one hand on my chest and the other hand on my head rubbing her fingers through my hair. I grab her hand off my chest and kiss it and put it back. The body language and physical contact interaction with A is where I would like it. When some of you guys are heading to the FSU for the first time. Don't let the beauty of the woman in front of you cloud your judgement. Evaluate her body language. It means much more than words.

I know some you guys are against posting photos on the internet. If you want me to stop posting photos, just let me know. Or you can close your eyes at the end of every post of mine. That trick works too

I don't think you're an idiot. Great English BTW.

[Rubicon]

re--photos of A

she is very attractive, but I think you need a new digital camera with a much better lens.
the photos are very very grainy.

[LiveFromUkraine]

I'm looking forward to the movie.  Thanks for the entertainment, Billy.

[BillyB]

 WHY do most men go to Ukraine/Russia to seek a wife?  
"More choices and could find a much better looking, sexier, younger woman"  END of Story.

I want to be clear Jack I'm not going to the FSU to find a younger better looking woman. I'll go anywhere to find a quality woman. I'd even go to the FSU for an older women and after just peaking at bride.ru, there are 2 good looking women older than I that just signed up. If I had quality correspondence, we hit it off if we met, and they are good women, I'd have no problem marrying either one of them.

http://bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/861/861078P4.html

http://bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/860/860861P2.html

A being 18 yo added a unique angle to this thread. If it were an older lady, I wouldn't have taken so much flak and people would focus on her qualities as a human being instead of her age. A won me over and gave me the most attention so I visited her.

I have dated RW in college in America but there are too many differences between us for me to consider putting a ring on their finger.

I've tried some American dating sites and the quality of women there just doesn't compare to RW. RW seems to be more approachable and friendly to talk to on the streets and easy to get a date with. Some American women want to talk and talk and talk for weeks or months before they'll trust you enough to let you buy them dinner.

This is a wonderful time for a man to use different avenues to find a gem of a woman. The internet has made this possible but you have to be smart. A guy can only put so much energy into his search and using the big bad agencies which control communications is the wrong path to take. I usually recommend bride.ru but others here have recommended other sites. Jooky recommended a site last year which contributed greatly to the success I've been able to write about in this thread. Learning where to find the ladies is important but to get a second date with them depends only on me.

If it doesn't work out with A, I can do this over and over and over again. I can start a thread not knowing where I'm going but I know I will end up with some or a quality woman. It's like walking. At first it's hard but after you know what to do, it just happens without having to think about it. Scammers, insincere women, women that aren't "into me" and big bad agencies are easy to spot and the least of my concerns.  Any other single man or woman out there that have enough confidence to have fun dating and searching for a special someone and announce they found a quality person in the end within a reasonable amount of time? It takes balls so start up a thread and lets all watch it unfold!

In my opinion Boethius the better economy is NOT going to change these women's outlook on life, the way's and manners of the Russian and Ukraine men however will.

I know some of you think Jack is in the business and has something to sell but I agree with him that the MAN is more important than money to most RW. I've wrote to thousands of RW and maybe a few seemed thoroughly like the idea I'm living in prosperous America. Living in America doesn't give me a free pass to speak to those ladies disrespectfully. If I did speak to those ladies disrespectfully, I'm sure they'd quit writing me.

I believe most RW want a happy and stable family life. A good MAN and financial stability is what is needed to make their dreams come true. Financial stability doesn't make a good man, a good man makes financial stability. Most of us live in a prosperous nation yet if we are not happy with Western women in some way and most all the good American women are married so the selection of what's left is poor, we will seek other avenues. I believe Jack is right that even if the FSU is doing well economically and if the women aren't happy with the men, they will still look elsewhere. 

BillyB, you have a picture of that girl, you, and the mother?

Plenty but I won't be putting up a photo of mom. She is shorter than A and just as slim.

For Billy's contraception education; http://www.contraceptivetechnology.org/table.html Perhaps he can pass it on to the mother of his prospective child-bride.

I know some of you think unplanned pregnancy is a bad thing but A would never think her child is a mistake. We talked about kids and waiting a few years is the plan but if it happens sooner, it happens.

Did you take Mommy along on dates, Jooky?

Boethius, I'm still trying to figure you out. Once I criticized Sculpto for showing nude photos of himself to girls at a disco and you defended him saying it's art since he's posing. What is worse? Showing nude photos of oneself to girls at a disco or taking mommy on some dates? I like mommy and when we go out all together, I don't even consider it dating anymore. We are interacting as a family at this point. Some guys could only wish to meet the lady they're visiting family and friends and see how she interacts with them.

I almost see an attitude of "envy" by FSUW toward their counterparts that were able to find and marry RM/UM here in the GoodOl' USA.

Are you sure you're seeing that? I think your eyes are playing tricks on you or you should make some new friends because I don't think highly of those ladies you're talking about.

If a woman I'm in a relationship with tells me she's envious of her friend because her man is from a different culture, different nationality, has different skin color etc... I'd tell her to leave me. I don't need to hear that crap.

If any of you don't get what I'm saying, tell your RW or the RW you're communicating with that you're envious of your American friends who were lucky enough to marry an American woman and you have to settle on RW instead.

The quality of the person you want to marry is much more important than marrying someone from the same culture. I talked about differences in culture with A and told her when two good people from any culture get together, good things will happen.

We have no idea, however, what does she think of her future with Bill. This will come in the thread, I suppose?

Yes it will....if we are a couple. I will tell what she's doing for me while we're apart and some men can compare notes to see if they're getting the same attention if they are in a relationship with a RW while apart.

re--photos of A

she is very attractive, but I think you need a new digital camera with a much better lens.
the photos are very very grainy.

Some photos are taken with an older digital camera, others with a phone. I was charging up my battery before my trip and the battery forgot to put itself back in the camera. My camera was 10 mp and I couldn't find a battery for it in the FSU so we used A's 4 mp camera and the phone.



A few days in Ivano-Frankivsk

Mom invites me to visit a friend of hers. We meet at a park and her friend is a doctor too that I'll call L. Mom tells me she used to work with her friend but couldn't work in Ukraine anymore since many of her coworkers asked for money from patients or refused service. The more a patient was suffering and dying, the more money would be requested. Some people thought this was customary just as giving money to cops was. Mom would refuse the money from patients and tell them to keep the money for their family. Mom said that usually when a person has a serious illness, they will be more likely to come back to the hospital and his/her family should have some money for those times.

It was interesting seeing people greet L on the street. She delivers babies so some people recognized her as their doctor. We went to L's flat to eat liqour fill chocolate and drink champagne. L has two daughters. The older daughter goes to the disco often and sometimes comes home at 4 AM in the morning but the younger daughter is her good one she says listing to mom and focusing on her education. I never met the older daughter but the younger daughter who is 18 yo, I did meet. I'll call her O.

Mom talks to L in Ukrainian for a long time. There was a period for about 10 minutes L turned to look at me occasionally and smiling. I knew mom was talking about me. Mom looked at me and knew I was curious to what she was saying. She told me she used to hate Americans until she met me. Now she likes Americans. I knew she said a lot more about me but that summed it up.

Unfortunately some people will initially judge you based on the culture you come from. Some people will judge your culture based on your behavior. It's wrong but it happens and I can say nobody I met for the first time got a bad impression of America based on my behavior.

When I went out with the ladies, sometimes while walking down the street and rough ground is ahead I'll offer the ladies my arm. There were times I walked down the street with a doctor on each of my arms. While getting out of vehicles, I'd offer each lady my hand to assist them. Nothing is forced or faked. My good manners are natural. If some of you go to the FSU for the first time and do things for a lady you're not accustomed too, you may look clumsy and the lady will understand that whatever you're currently doing isn't something you do often. You won't turn into a gentleman with decades of experience overnight. A smart woman will figure you out if you're a contender or pretender.

I also read with amusement that you bought her a "present" for $1.50.  was that the best you could do?!! 

I didn't answer your question before because I wanted to answer it in this post. Your question gives insight how some people think. I can assure you A was impressed with my move to buy the figurine and the $1.50 cost of it was irrelivant. The best a man can do has nothing to do with money or material objects. A good woman would rather take a walk in a park with her special somebody instead of receiving a $400 pair of shoes from a nobody.

[SANDRO43]

Apropos of Bride.RU profiles, their list of new entries today includes a 44 y.o. (http://bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/861/861145P1.html) with the most extensive photo documentation I've ever seen .

[Faux Pas]

Bizarre 

[Lily]

I want to be clear Jack I'm not going to the FSU to find a younger better looking woman. I'll go anywhere to find a quality woman. I'd even go to the FSU for an older women and after just peaking at bride.ru, there are 2 good looking women older than I that just signed up. If I had quality correspondence, we hit it off if we met, and they are good women, I'd have no problem marrying either one of them.

http://bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/861/861078P4.html

http://bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/860/860861P2.html

 

Wow, what a cuties! The first one has simply fantastic body!

Billy, have you ever talked to A about what does she feel toward you?

[Vinnvinny]

http://bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/861/861078P4.html

http://bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/860/860861P2.html

Apropos of Bride.RU profiles, their list of new entries today includes a 44 y.o. (http://bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/861/861145P1.html) with the most extensive photo documentation I've ever seen .

Good grief! I'm too old for all of them! 

[BillyB]

Apropos of Bride.RU profiles, their list of new entries today includes a 44 y.o. (http://bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/861/861145P1.html) with the most extensive photo documentation I've ever seen .

Aleksandra has been on the dating sites for years and I communicated with her although she's older than I. She is serious though. In my first phone call to her we talked for 40 minutes and told me she was in 2 serious relationships headed for marriage. One ended in marriage to a man in California but she got an annulment since she learned her new husband was still married to another woman. She canceled her engagement to another man when she found out he was still married too. Based on her experience, I guess married men seem to attract women better than the lonely single men giving off bad vibes of desperation.

She was polite on the phone and a great communicator. I'm sure many men are writing her and she has lots of practice communicating. Good looks, long legs, and large breasts usually attract a lot of men.

Billy, have you ever talked to A about what does she feel toward you?

A doesn't speak her feelings but I can tell her feelings based on the way she acts towards me and the talks mom has with me from time to time. Mom also told me she never seen her daughter so nervous and worried before meeting me for the first time. A confessed later she was hoping to make my visit pleasant and me happy and even worried I might not have shown up.

Before I visited A I asked her how she sees her life in the future and in marriage. At the end of my visit to her, I asked how she sees a future life with me. She told me she could see a life with me and promised me that she would never hurt me or leave me. It's the kind of promises young people make but I tend to believe her because I felt based off her behavior she would be a loyal and devoted woman to the man she makes a commitment to.


A few days in Ivano-Frankivsk

One morning we rented car and driver to go to the Carpathian mountains. Approximately $35 for use of his car and time for half a day. I sat in front and 4 women sat in back which included A, mom, mom's doctor friend L and her daughter O. Sometimes A would wrap her arms around my seat and me as we drove down the road.

As we get into the mountains, the roofs of houses are steeper to divert winter snow off. It's beautiful there and I'd have to say it's Ukraine's version of Bavaria or Swiss Alps.

I was running low on money and needed to hit a money exchange in the morning but mom told me there was a place to exchange money where we were going. It happened to be closed so mom borrowed money from her friend to pay for a lot of things.

We hit a restaurant and mom grabs parsley off A's and her plate and puts in on mine and tells me "eat this everyday". Knowing mom is into healthy foods I said "Oh, it's good for my health?" Because other people were at the table, mom leans over and whispers into my ear "It helps increase life of prostate and helps stimulate you for sex". I didn't expect that and my eye popped open wide and I turn to look at A. A had a slight smile and the look on her face told me she knew what mom was talking about. I know mom is going to tell A to feed me parsley everyday. Mom once told me she taught A about sex since she was 5 and as bold as mom is talking about sex with me, I'm sure A has heard it all and then some.

If I married A, I'm sure there is going to be lots of bonding moments. I say bonding moments instead of sex because bonding is sex with love involved and each time it happens with two people, their bond gets stronger. Sex can get boring after years of it with one person but I understand how older people endure the same ole thing over and over and that is because it's a way they can bond with each other emotionally besides physically.

Mom telling me about sexual benefits from parsley wasn't the first time I heard this from a RW. Once at a restaurant with a local RW I was dating, she put her parsley on my plate and told me "this will help me in all". I replied "What do you mean by "all?"". She said "ALL, ALL" with a smile that told me exactly what she meant and wanted.

It's seems if a RW likes you, she will want to keep you in top operating condition for your and her benefit. Those RW talk a lot with each other and seem to understand how to keep men's sexual health in good condition better than us men do.

Mom's friend L pays for the dinner and A told me it's a man's job to pay and I told her that I know and explained to her that mom didn't take me to a money exchange that is open yet and that I'll repay L.
 
Later we went up a ski lift and put on some traditional Ukrainian clothes. In the photo below A steals the axe that was part of my costume and tried to give me some love. My face looked bad the last few days in Ukraine. I had bags under my eyes and mom thought I was ill. She pokes her fingers hard behind my back into my kidneys and asked me if it hurt. I said "no". She pokes her fingers just under my skull back of my neck and asked me if it hurts and I said "No, I told you that I'm not ill, just tired and exhausted from the time zone difference and heat". Mom said "because you don't hurt, that is why you are ill!" I tell mom "maybe I'm a strong man and no matter how hard you poke your fingers into me, I'm never going to get hurt by you".

[possum]

It's threads like this that make me appreciate my life more.. Not being told to stimulate my prostate every day by skeezy middle-aged women is something I will treasure from here on out..

On a lighter note,

a trip to the Carpathian mountains.....$35
two lame Ukrainian get-ups...............$10
getting poked in the kidneys at the end of the day.............PRICELESS

[Nat]

It's threads like this that make me appreciate my life more.. Not being told to stimulate my prostate every day by skeezy middle-aged women is something I will treasure from here on out..

On a lighter note,

a trip to the Carpathian mountains.....$35
two lame Ukrainian get-ups...............$10
getting poked in the kidneys at the end of the day.............PRICELESS