Life Changes...Part Deux

[Ade]

When I was 16, the military asked my parents for permission to talk to me about joining their nuclear program as an officer. I scored in the higher end of the top 1% in the nation on the ASVAB test. I'm still a sharp guy.

I somehow have a hard time believing this... and if it's true, then god help the world if they put people like you in charge of their nuclear systems.

Harb joined the forum on March 24 9:31 PM and finished his first post 9:42 PM. Since Harb read this thread, he would have read it before he registered. He could not have recognized A because only registered users can view photos so when he tells me that he knows the family, he is saying it without even seeing the photos.

Your logic, if you can call it that, is flawed. Can't you understand that you've said enough in this thread that if someone even vaguely knew of this family, they could be blind and still recognize who you are talking about?

Most likely Harb is playing a game and you guys got fooled. Based on Harb's other post, only a handful of people here would have that knowledge. Based on writing style and knowledge of West Ukraine, I would narrow it down to Boethius, the Canadian lady who has disappeared for a while. If management has the time, they can do an IP check to see where Harb has been posting from and we can go and knock on his/her door to get the information you all want.

That you'd believe Boethius would do this is just another indication that your dubious abilities to judge people are poor at best.

And, FWIW, those pictures you've posted, damn dude, she looks more like a child in them than in any I've yet seen. Seriously, WTF is wrong with you?  

[Kuna]

One thing I like about posters like Harb is they bring out the best or worst out of people.  You, Kuna, and a few others seem to enjoy the idea that someone has power to sabotage another person's relationship. I can imagine what you would do if that power is in your hands.

Billy... I don't know why you're trying to demonise me.  I'm just trying to help you...  I'm trying to understand you... and at times I'm trying to clarify what you're saying because much of it seems irrational and hyper-emotional... Think of me as a a more mature next door neighbor who's helping you work things out during an emotional and troubling time. 

If this was that old TV show "Tool Time",  You'd be Tim and I'd be the friendly faceless guy across the fence, Wilson.  I'm not saying you're a bumbling fool... I'm just saying I think you need someone to talk to who can help you untangle those irrational thoughts you're having.   

If you take every question which touches on reality as a personal attack, then you're in for a life of pain once A comes to the US.  You guys are going to be hanging out with her friends, having video nights, eating candy and drinking juice and softdrinks... and questions are bound to come up.  Try not to be so defensive or it'll eat you up on the inside.

I would compare A to being a similar lady like Lily. She can handle this. She can handle me. Heck, her mom can talk to me about sex with her daughter and some of you guys can't handle that.

There is more than 20 years difference in life experience here.  Lily is a fine lady... and I'm sure A will grow into one too... but she doesn't have the life experience yet to compare her with someone like Lily.

I know it's hard with internet relationships to not make wild assumptions about the person we're infatuated with...  but only face to face time can solve that.

I know you spend every waking moment dreaming of the day when A will come to you... tend your home,  lay by your side, quiver at every touch and quake when ever you use that uber-powerful hold you have over women of all ages and backgrounds... but that time will come, and reality will be revealed.

When I was 16, the military asked my parents for permission to talk to me about joining their nuclear program as an officer. I scored in the higher end of the top 1% in the nation on the ASVAB test. I'm still a sharp guy.

All through this thread people brought up things not worth waisting my time on. Algeria.

... and a very sharp guy you are...       ...but you have to admit... you often make  fundamental spelling and grammatical errors for such a sharp guy.  If you are literally challenged it may explain some of the fantasy you weave into your long correspondence with A.  If you have poor comprehension but a vivid imagination everyone could understand why you've painted such a clear picture in your mind of something that may, or may not be real.

If management has the time, they can do an IP check to see where Harb has been posting from and we can go and knock on his/her door to get the information you all want.

I think this would be a very good idea... and I would encourage management to do an IP check.  If Harb is a current member pretending to be something they are not then we should take a very dim view on this poster.  I think we can assume Harb is real until he is proven to be fake...  but management might like to confirm it for us all to make sure we're not being duped AGAIN!

I've given nothing but the highest praise to A in this thread. I couldn't marry a woman unless I could praise her the way I've praised A.

Billy, you really should listen to RW like mies...  she is offering you a free hint on how to treat a woman.  I know nothing about women compared to a man like you but if a RW feels like you speak of A as a possession,  or a trophy,  or something less than an equal partner - you might like to stop and listen.

I don't care about listening to Harb. If the devil tells me God is bad, should I send the devil a PM and ask for more info?
She's Christian but not a fanatic. So am I.

You often talk about your Christian values and your faith in God, and one assumes you have planned a Church wedding. I have a question...  yes, a real question:

Being such a Christian man of upstanding values, and having real faith in God - Have you spoken to your Priest about your relationship and sought his advice and guidance on such an important issue like marriage?

For the last 16 months I know what I seen and heard.

Billy,  another question - because you keep opening yourself up to more speculation based on the things that you say...

When did A turn 18?  If you were corresponding with her for 16 months from now... does that make her 16 when you started to communicate with her... or was she "only just 17" at the time?

It's difficult to ask this question because I'd rather think you were communicating with an adult when seeking marriage...  but I think it's a fair question to ask as you have exposed so many things in this thread already... and you're passing this thread off as advice to new members joining RWD like:  http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=13253.0;topicseen

Also Billy,  I'm not sure I read this earlier... Where does a middle aged man find 16 or 17 years old girls on the internet for marriage?

Over the last 16 months I learned A is a wonderful woman:
Positive, happy, full of life, excited about life with me.
She talks about family oriented topics all the time.
She always reminds me to buckle up the children in seatbelts and to get off the phone while driving.
She likes to keep the home clean and tidy. Look at the first photo below.
She likes to decorate the home during holidays. I expect she's going to ask me to help her in all her holiday projects. She even decorates the cat during the holidays. 2nd and 3rd photos below.
She interacts with friends and family with so much love. 4th photo below with one of her best friends.
She does not discriminate against people. She judges people as individuals just as I do.
She's conservative in her views. So am I.
She's Christian but not a fanatic. So am I.
She cares about me in many ways. One example is that she searched online for tips to help reduce my snoring.
I sometimes call her 2-3 AM my morning since the phones work better but she chastises me for not getting enough sleep. She knows I sleep about 6 hours a night and she tells me she wants a husband with a lot of energy so I should rest more. I think she'll be disappointed to find out I have too much energy.
She has good manners, classy and elegant. 5th photo below
There's more but you get the point by now. A woman like here don't come along often and man would be a fool to turn away a quality woman like her. I can catch women like her. If any man here feels they can't catch a quality woman regardless of age, then he needs to change things in his life and results aren't going to happen overnight so better start being a better man sooner than later.

Please don't get me wrong with this next comment... it's obvious you understand the female gender much better than someone like me could ever hope to understand... but I do know something...   Girls generally don't like being called women.

Just an observation, and I'm often wrong...  You may just be subconsciously legitimising the relationship by referring to her as a woman...  but there is no need to make A grow up any quicker than she needs to by calling her something that she is not.


Oh, and I've gotta say...  some of this stuff is amongst the funniest things I've read in here.  While trying to prove she's mature beyond her years, it just becomes some of the funniest stuff we're ever going to read in RWD.

I have to say...  as well as being a "master swordsman" when it comes to satisfying the ladies... you're also a very funny guy. 

You da man...  You da whole package!   RAAAAAAHHHHHH   

People have already tried to plant a seed of doubt but I'm sure I know A better than anybody here )

There ya go again handsome!  You must have a million of these funny lines.  No wonder all those women fall over in front of you and beg you to "take them"... 

You're like the Robin Williams of MOB-world.

YOU SHOULD KNOW HER BETTER THAN ANYBODY HERE YOU SILLY DUFFER!     

YOU'RE GOING TO MARRY HER!

[Kuna]

I will say this... and please understand I am being genuine. My only concern over this whole thing is the potential for a lack of maturity in A, and the ill effects both you and she may discover ones reality hits back in the US.

I actually did some reading last night and came across a discussion group where young teenage girls get caught up with middle aged men and it was interesting that both parties will convinced themselves of the legitimacy of the relationship... for different reasons.  This trick of the mind is often ill-founded,  and the consequences are obvious.

Someone made a comment that really hit home with me... but I'm sure it is something you have already considered.

It had to do with the measure of the girls maturity best coming from a parent...  and the way that a parent will not trust an immature girl's opinion or decision without injecting themselves into the decision.

Adults entering relationships don't need  consent or decision support to come from a parent.  Adults make decisions for themselves.

Where there is a question about the maturity of the girl,  or the potential for exploitation, a parent will inject themselves into the decision process - TO PROTECT THE GIRL.

Then, whether the parent approves or not,  the fact remains that the parent believes the girl is of insufficient maturity to make a decision by themselves, or too immature to extract themselves from an exploitative situation should one occur.

Just something to think about.  Even though you use Mama's approvals as evidence of the legitimacy of the relationship, the fact that Mama had to chaperon in the beginning is the proof that Mama believes A is too immature to make these decisions herself.

I hope you understand my concern for both of you, my wish that all genuine men seeking love and long-lasting relationships in FSU find them.  I don't wish ill on you or A... but think your mind is playing some pretty serious games on you and you no longer have control over you emotions.

It's too late to back out now...  it'd destroy the image you've built up of yourself...  one can only hope others will learn from your experiences and the decisions you've made and avoid the probable outcomes.

Best of luck Billy. 

[BC]

Kuna,

Nice that you said what you said.

In my late teens, I was more knowledgeable, infallible and yes -even immortal.

Boy did I find out later how wrong I was in my young, tender thoughts.

It was only in my late 20's and early 30's that I really started grasping not only what was 'real' but how much my elders  tried to help me with their wisdom and experience.. much to my dismay (back then).

I'm confident that many here can identify.

'A' still has all this before her, which only makes me wonder where Billy and future MIL are 'at'.

Maybe that's the fundamental conflict many here see and keep harping on.. but believe me there is a point where reality will set in - for both sides.. and that point has not yet been reached by far.  As far as their relationship goes - whatever floats their boat, but the fact that Billy doesn't even recognize that A's 'growth' will be much greater and in more directions than his is worrisome.  His counter arguments thus far is totally dependent on subordination.. hardly an environment that is conductive to personal growth.

I see nothing but projection and expectations in Billy's posts, more of what he thinks will come rather than what will become of their lives.

BTW.. Where's the first part of Billy's saga?  I looked a while back, maybe I'm wrong but IIRC there was another young, perfect woman?

Does lightning strike twice, or thrice the same Manly Man?

Oh well.. going to go enjoy a nice sunny afternoon here.

[TomT]

Tom, you can answer your own questions since you are over 20 years older than I and communicated with women as young as 19. Your posts have taken an aggressive tone lately after I asked you if the 27 yo RW was the lady that took one look at you and walked away on a trip report of yours. I have a feeling she had a profile at one of the big agencies you've defended months ago.

Your attempt at deflection is pathetic. Not that it matters, she neither walked away from me, nor was she a RLM/HRB girl. Even if things had played out as your faulty memory suggests, it wouldn't cast you in better light.


Kuna and BC covered the age issue very well; I will defer to them.

[SANDRO43]

Oh well.. going to go enjoy a nice sunny afternoon here.

And hunt down a few Tunisian runaways from Manduria ?

[BC]

And hunt down a few Tunisian runaways from Manduria ?

Naa.. No worries. They all head to the train stations to go places like Milan..  Although many illegal immigrants land here, they tend to pass through quickly for greener pastures up north.

[Lazarus]

And, FWIW, those pictures you've posted, damn dude, she looks more like a child in them than in any I've yet seen. Seriously, WTF is wrong with you? 

I am grateful that someone else said this. Any older men (over 20 something), that can get "excited" or "aroused" looking at these pictures of a young girl with stuffed animals and a kitten obviously has some serious issues.

Lazarus

[I/O]

once A comes to the US.

Will that happen?

[Steamer]

Atta boy Billy, crank these guys up!  

                   

[Harb]

Harb, maybe you can help a bruddah out, if you do in fact know this family personally, maybe give the family a link to this thread to support the bro and shut the creeters, know what I mean?

I do not have a habit of poking *snip*.
 
I am in America  now and will not return to Ukraine until summer.  I do not actively seek out this family and will not.  It is not for me too interesting.
 
Ukrainian women who can speak English and seek foreigners know about sites like this one.  
 
No, I am not another poster here.  Your moderators can post my IP, I don't care.  First one is in Western US, then in southern US but I did not post as was on client's server and used proxy and today in Western US.  Over time I have read a lot of posts here.  Sometimes it is funny for Ukrainian to read these posts.
 
 

After all, they must have a lot of time to kill lately now that Ghaddafi have more important matters to attend to.

This story Billy told any Ukrainian would find stupid.  Wthout knowledge of family these fantastical stories are enough to understand what is happening.   .  
 

No offense, but at this point I am more interested in what Harb has to say about "A" and Mom.

I have no more to say.  I said all I do not care if Billy believes or not believes.  It is up to him.  I am closer to A's age but as I said it is not a good family.
 
 

Harb ("Harbinger" of bad news maybe?)

Thank you for teaching me a new word.  My screen name is part of my street name.
 

Harb joined the forum on March 24 9:31 PM and finished his first post 9:42 PM. Since Harb read this thread, he would have read it before he registered. He could not have recognized A because only registered users can view photos so when he tells me that he knows the family, he is saying it without even seeing the photos.

Post was composed before I registered.  Seriously Jaded is right that enough information was posted for me to know from trip.   But even without descriptions and even if I did not know this family this is all clear for Ukrainian  to a point of stupidity.  It is why we have no feelings for men who are scammed.  To us you deserve it. As for photo sorry to say you are again wrong.   I saw last photos on page 35 right after I registered and before I posted to be 100% sure.  I lataer went through all other photos and laugh at clumsiness of mother in choosing poses.  It is what unsophisticated woman thinks will work with men and looks like sometimes it does.
 
I will not post name of girl or family.  I will not PM Billy.  I do not have any thing to prove.  Believe or don't believe.   My consciousness is clear.
 
Thank you for the compliment on my English.

[I/O]

It is what unsophisticated woman thinks will work with men and looks like sometimes it does.

That................has been pretty much my take on the whole thing.

[TomT]

Thanks for taking the time to make a few comments, Harb. It is unlikely that Billy will take them seriously because they are in conflict with his version of reality, but the rest of us are appreciative. If it has been your observation that stupidity is present in the West in great abundance, you are quite astute. Difficult times have always culled the weak (mentally and otherwise) from the population but things have not been difficult here for nearly a century. Consequently, the mentally challenged flourish. If not for the influx of the best and the brightest from abroad, we would be a nation of retardates. C'est la vie!

[BillyB]

Bad news. A lost her job since the boy she was tutoring family moved to another city. Good news is mom has a job offer for $400 a month in Poland. She will probably accept and move there in a few months when the job starts. A will remain in Ukraine to do k-1 business.

In other news a RW I once dated and occasionally see for coffee called me needing help. She said the key to her car doesn't turn. I told her put her hand on the steering wheel and turn left or right and the key should turn. She was thrilled her car started and thanked me over and over. I used to help her with doing things in her apartment and she would comment “It's nice to have a man in the house” She knew how to cook well:-) and she was one of the ladies that would have accepted a marriage proposal for me but I didn't propose because we have too many differences.

Another lady at work came up to me telling me it's her last day on the job and she's getting out of construction and going into retail. She works for another subcontractor and always talks to me friendly while the other workers smile in the background shaking their heads. A few weeks ago she came to me crying after the superintendant for the general contractor yelled at her and asked me for help and I helped. She's one of the few pretty ladies that work in construction and at the end of her last day she asked me for my email. After talking for 15 minutes she checks her phone again to make sure it's stored. Someone once told me she has a boyfriend but he hasn't worked in a year and spends too much time on the internet. I think she's getting ready to look for a new boyfriend.

Another woman on the job is the owners representative and a very powerful woman. She yells at the superintendent and other subs contractor managers a lot. She never yells at me and has even taken my photo more than once while I'm on heavy equipment. What is she going to do with my photo after work? Probably the same thing GoodOleBoy is doing with my photos at night. I see he's still downloading my photos.

Some of the guys at the job site know I've done lots of dating after work and get along great with the ladies on the job. Good manners, kindness, and the right show of strength can make any man attractive.

I somehow have a hard time believing this..

For $500 I'll copy the letter the military sent to my parents and post it here minus my real name. I've also broke some sports records in high school. I don't have proof but I still have one trophy where I took 2nd place at the state tournament. $500 and you get a photo of the trophy. I need to raise money to pay the daily $500 I send to A. Food prices have gone up!

SJ, you are special and that is why I'm telling you all this. The ladies I've dated don't get this information. They know nothing of my past accomplishments. They don't know how much I make or what I own. I don't brag or win women over with money and assets. Too much of my competition have done that and have no faith in themselves to win a lady over.

And, FWIW, those pictures you've posted, damn dude, she looks more like a child in them than in any I've yet seen. Seriously, WTF is wrong with you?  

Have you ever thought she's not 18 in those photos? I put the photos up to show you she keeps the home cozy and tidy. Go back to previous photos to see how she looks now.

You often talk about your Christian values and your faith in God, and one assumes you have planned a Church wedding. I have a question...  yes, a real question:

Being such a Christian man of upstanding values, and having real faith in God - Have you spoken to your Priest about your relationship and sought his advice and guidance on such an important issue like marriage?

I was in Missouri to attend a funeral a few weeks ago. I talked to my cousin's husband who's a pastor of a church. I told them both the fine qualities of A and her age. They told me she's sounds like a great woman and told me they can both look back since high school and can count 5 marriages that they know to be truly happy. Point is most people aren't happy in their marriages and based off what I told them and in the manner I told them, they didn't think I was making a mistake.

Although I currently don't attend church and A attends sometimes, we plan and choosing a church together that we're both comfortable with and raising our kids with God.

Kuna, you have a habit of spending hours going back over people's posts to find lies and discrepancies. How many hours did you waste finding one misspelled word? Anybody else a FOOL to look for my lies in this thread and throughout my thousands of posts? Tom? BC, you told people to read my first 50 posts in another thread? You married guys are something else. You guys don't have anything better to do at home? Anything? Kuna, you have small children and a wife at home. Don't you need to pay attention to them or are they at the point they don't care anymore?

If anybody was foolish enough to waste time going through my posts to see if I'm lying about A's age, you would have read numerous times earlier in this thread that I will not write real names and ages of women I date while their profile is still up. I could only imagine how many of you would try to Google that nympho I dated if I revealed her real info.

I didn't answer you before Kuna but about 3 or 4 times earlier in this thread you said I was poor. Why did you lie? You told everybody that is what I've always said before. There is other misinformation you and others have been putting out constantly here and in other threads. I can't answer you all. All I can recommend to people who are now just reading this thread is to start from the beginning and if you have questions, ask them politely and you will get a polite answer.  

Your attempt at deflection is pathetic. Not that it matters, she neither walked away from me, nor was she a RLM/HRB girl.

So did she run from you? Or was it another lady who walked away? Look Tom, I'm not trying to say you grossly misrepresented yourself in photos but I think you've been taken advantage of a girl and her agency. Some of those girls in feeder agencies for the big ones are paid to meet you but that is the extent of their obligations unless you want to take them shopping. I was surprise how you defended some of the big agencies recently after what you've been through and you think I'm in denial?

Kuna and BC covered the age issue very well; I will defer to them.

Good move. If more people deferred, less people would be getting their feelings hurt.

I am grateful that someone else said this. Any older men (over 20 something), that can get "excited" or "aroused" looking at these pictures of a young girl with stuffed animals and a kitten obviously has some serious issues.

You guessed it. The stuffed animals and kitten turns me on. I've dated women in their 20's, 30's, 40's and 50's and they all had stuffed animals in their rooms. While a guy like you view it as a red flag, I've got more mature business to take care of than to pay attention to a stuffed animal some other guy gave them. Where is that guy anyway? Not in their room.

Atta boy Billy, crank these guys up!  

                  

Yeah, it's entertaining watching a bunch of guys get their panties bunched up. Lately they've been mentioning my name in other threads too and following me around like little puppies. Tom and BC said they could do business with a young lady but nobody jumps on them. Is A's age really the issue here and if so, maybe my critics prefer to give Tom and BC a pass since they need all the people they can get to take me down. What is it? 10 on 1 now and I'm still going strong.

I want to remind everyone I didn't start this fight and I don't feel sorry for anyone who gets beat down and gets their feelings hurt. If they want to give me a sample on how they would react to me in real life, I will give them a sample on how I'd react to them. I proudly show A's photos to family, friends, and the people I work for and they are happy for me and some men ask if A has a sister or mother available. I don't have some of the image problems you guys have among your family and peers. When A arrives, she will not hide in the house. I will proudly introduce her to everybody as my wife.

It is why we have no feelings for men who are scammed.  

Do you feel sorry for yourself instead? Take a look at a site like Bride.ru and look at the pretty, educated and bright RW there. Are you upset they have given up on RM? They have computers at home, wear nice clothes and have good education. They look happy and full of life. These aren't the poor ladies on the street who are desperate or ladies that look like they come from broken families. Many of those women just want a good man and family life and willing to look elsewhere. Even a young RW Aloe who post here said she wrote an older man before. I've dated RW who won't date a man younger than 30. They get tired of babysitting young men and turned off by their lack of wisdom and maturity. They don't have the security blanket of western government social programs or mommy and daddy if they choose the wrong guy to marry. They're not going to get bailed out. They will pay for their mistake so they have to be smarter than their Western sisters.

Since you're close to A's age, you must be 16, 17, 19, or 20. I was your age once and was angry and jealous when I saw a beautiful woman walking down the street with an old, ugly, and/or fat guy. I wondered why a girl like that wasn't with a guy like me, good looking, smart, and athletic. I learned my lesson and figured out what is most important to woman and successful today. I got a bigger belly and less hair but I can get more dates and women than you. When you get yourself to the point of attracting more women than I, then come back and see me. For now you can either remain jealous you can't catch a woman like A or you can wake up and learn something.

You have a problem with what I've written in this thread but your fellow RW have not protested with you. You have sided with some Western men. RW are probably happy reading that someone is finally telling men out there to improve, be better for ladies and pay attention to them. After all, only 10% of the men are marriage material and good quality men are in short supply.

Seriously Jaded is right that enough information was posted for me to know from trip.  .  

Thank you SJ for speaking for Harb. Harb, you are young yet you already have guys providing excuses for you and 60ish yo men in Tom and I/O worshiping your words. You are the chosen one. You are their messiah and in your first post, you've gained a lot of followers.

I'm going to ask you a question and I hope people will have the courtesy and SMARTS(SJ) to let you answer on your own. Since you had a bad experience with A and her mom to label them a bad family and since you are about A's age and since A hasn't lived in Ukraine since you were in grade school, what traumatic experience did you have to claim A and mom are bad and scammers? Did they steal your ice cream or kick your butt on the playground?

Harb, if you want me and others to take you seriously, then I'm giving you the opportunity to show you're real and have the right to participate here equally with everybody. All you have to do is give me two letters. The first letter of A and mom's name is all that's needed and I'll validate if you're telling the truth or a pretender. If you don't, I won't bother answering you anymore but the good news is some people here, some much older and supposedly wiser, will always follow you and take you serious. You're worried that I'm going to be scammed? You need to worry about your followers since they're easily duped.


There is another thread that talks about A's young age and where my critics have jump all over me. I have no time to participate there so they have a free pass but Gator has some valid questions and if questions are asked politely, I will answer politely and I'll answer them here.

How can conversations be stimulating?

I can talk to A for up to a few hours at a time. There are enough stimulating topics between us to keep us busy.

How can there be many poignant moments?

So far there have been, mentally and emotionally.

How can laughter derive from anything other than the silly?

I'm afraid my version of silly is worse than hers. I like Jim Carrey, Chris Farley, and Jerry Lewis type comedies. She is a no nonsense woman when it comes to family and life.

Is there any more to this than a "student-teacher" relationship?

Of course but A's mind is like a sponge now and she likes to learn and discuss all kinds of things. I like to teach. I like to be the boss. I am the boss on the job. I like to be a leader and A likes that. We talked about it and she knows she's going to have to learn about life from me and accepts it.

Does a professor prefer dining/drinking with his students or his peers?

I'm not looking for a drinking buddy. I'm looking for wife.

Is there anything exchanged for teaching other than hot body sex and a sense of  recapturing one's youth?

I can get hot body sex as a single man and a variety to top it off. So why sex with one woman for the rest of my life? Sex within marriage is much better and I'll explain later my views since it's many and it's going to shock and upset some people I'm sure. I've never thought about recapturing my young. The past stays in the past and after all, half the ladies I've dated in the past 2 years have been older than I. Can anyone accuse me of trying to capture the golden years a little early?

Is teaching the ignorant fulfilling for an extended period of time?  

I'm tolerant of the ignorant as long as they don't want to be ignorant for long. A is a smart young lady and she knows it. She also knows she hungers for some of my knowledge and respect me as the man that can deliver. You were in a couple of relationship with huge age gaps Gator. Was ignorance on the ladies part partially to blame for any breakups? I think what is to blame may relate to character flaws and that can be had by anybody at any age. If a a woman is ignorant in a relationship, it is not the end of the relationship. If a man is ignorant, it's over. You are a wise man Gator in my opinion. Have you convinced the ladies in your lives that? What I do know is if a woman can respect a man, then she can love that man. One reason I don't like equal rights relationships is because the women rarely respects the man and has to take charge in numerous situations.

Would a man attracted to an 18-yo hot body also be interested in talking everyday with other 18-yo kids, boys and girls with no sex.

I'm talking to boys right here at this forum. Talking and sex is not the reason I look for a wife. I can get talking and sex outside of marriage.

Has history shown that these relationships to be enduring?

What is known is people our age who've been in one failed marriage have a 65-70% divorce rate on their second marriage and 85-90% divorce rate on their 3rd. That is what the studies show. It may upset you but there are a lot of men here who aren't marriage material. There are a lot of ladies out there our age that aren't marriage material. Most marriage material people are already married and stay married. Sure we should judge each individual as an individual but if you look at the pool of people you have to choose from, it's slim pickings.

I am looking for a relationship that is enduring and I'm convinced A has the mental, physical, and emotional state of mind to deliver on that as long as I remain the MAN she intended to marry.

Too many people here are focusing on A's age and not what really matters when it comes to finding a wife. I need love. As written by many RW in their profile, “I'm looking for Big Love”

A is caring. She was caring when I met her and she continues to be concerned about me, my kids, and how I feel about her. She is always carefully listening to my words and trying to read my mood.

A is loyal, devoted and has a burning desire to show me this. I believe her when she tells me she comes from a long line of women who does not divorce their husbands. It's her personal conviction, it's her family tradition and it's her religious conviction. Some of you remember when I tested A after creating a fake profile. You were hard on me but funny thing is now more than ever people have claimed A is insincere. Sometime after that A told me that I could check on her anytime I want all I want. I know she has other profiles not on dating sites. One profile is on a site where she can talk about books since she is an avid book reader. A told me her heart is 100% with me and forever. I told A that no other woman can hurt me because my heart is hers and it's up to her to take care of it.

I have a couple of guys working for me. One guy said his wife would always cook whatever he wants whenever he wants. When he comes home, she welcomes him with joy and happiness and gives him a massage. He cheated on her and she divorced him. Now he's regretting it because the woman he ran off with nags him everyday when he comes home and is not wife material.

Another guy said his ex girlfriend would do anything for him. Totally devoted and loyal. He said she'd drop to her knees and give him a BJ anytime he wanted. He regrets leaving the State to take a temporary job without taking her with him. He ended up marrying a gold digger who clean out his house and left with another man.

When I said earlier the more I talk about A throughout this thread, the more men will become envious wishing they could find what I found. A is a totally devoted and caring woman who forsakes every other man. At this time it's more important to her to be a wife than to choose a new pair of shoes, drink an alcoholic beverage, party, or go to the disco. A told me she is marrying me for all my good and all my bad. There is love between us. Big Love.

Some men have become upset with me but they need to take a good look at themselves. If they are happy with their lives, they shouldn't be bothered by mine. I'm kicking my competition's butt in the dating world and can find numerous women to marry me. I don't brag about what I own or how much money I have. I talk to ladies respectfully, and they will see my good manners, kindness and strength if they date me. When I was in Ukraine, A, mom, mom's doctor friend and her daughter all enjoyed my company and even danced with me at the disco. If any of you men out there have a hard time attracting women and making them feel comfortable in your presence, including your wife, that is your problem, don't be angry with me.

A had tons of men writing her. Muslims, especially the Turks harassed her the most, sometimes non stop to get her to talk to them. She'd put them on ignore but they'd sometime create another profile to try again. I won A over, not a rich guy, not a model, not a young guy but me. A liked how I wrote her and her mom read what I wrote twice so that she understood what kind of man I am and she happily approved. They judge me the best guy out there. No matter how much some of you guys hate that, you can lower your blood pressure if you'd stop worrying about a woman's right to choose who she wants into her life and into her bed.

[Lily]

Sorry to hear that the mother lost her job. Now if she is going to accept a job in Poland, will she have to regularly commute there from Ukraine, won't she?

So you are now in the K-1 process. Did A filed already some necessary papers on her part? Or does the process prescribe that you have to be approved as her sponsor first, and now you are waiting for this approval, before she files anything?

[HiTech]

Did A filed already some necessary papers on her part? Or does the process prescribe that you have to be approved as her sponsor first, and now you are waiting for this approval, before she files anything?

Short K-1 process outline

1. American files. Basic proof of citizenship , proof of financial ability, proof of being single  for both parties, proof of having met. Citizenship docs of fiance. 

2. Takes about 6 months to have paper work processed in the US.

3. Documents forwarded to Embassy, who sends a letter for documents to the fiance.

4. Fiance gather docs , medical ,passport, police doc showing no warrants along with proof of ongoing relationship (phone, email, pictures). She calls embassy to schedule interview.

5. Interview happens and the docs are given to the interviewer.

6. If approved visa received in about 4-5 days.

HiTech

[Lily]

Thanks for the information HiTech!

Billy, I hope that your submitted documents raise no questions from US immigration authorities. Does A already take care about the papers on her part, like police certificate or something, in order not to delay the process?

[Muzh]

Thanks for the information HiTech!

Billy, I hope that your submitted documents raise no questions from US immigration authorities. Does A already take care about the papers on her part, like police certificate or something, in order not to delay the process?

Ah, but Lily. You can count on that.

[Jack]

Thanks for taking the time to make a few comments, Harb. It is unlikely that Billy will take them seriously because they are in conflict with his version of reality, but the rest of us are appreciative.

The rest of us?  You are speaking now for everyone else TomT?

TomT, I have no dog in this fight and as someone who can seriously take conflicts with reality, I for one do not take, or buy, Harb's comments.  You of course can but please do not include me in your group who does.

[TomT]

'The rest of us' was a variation of the royal 'we' and shouldn't be taken any more literally than when the queen speaks.

[TomT]

So did she run from you? Or was it another lady who walked away? Look Tom, I'm not trying to say you grossly misrepresented yourself in photos but I think you've been taken advantage of a girl and her agency. Some of those girls in feeder agencies for the big ones are paid to meet you but that is the extent of their obligations unless you want to take them shopping. I was surprise how you defended some of the big agencies recently after what you've been through and you think I'm in denial?

She and I first became aware of each other on Antidate, there was no agency involved and I have never traveled to visit an agency girl. Perhaps you are confusing her with a vacation-hunter whom I once met whilst already in country. (I was the one who ran.)

[dbneeley]

Getting a police certificate from Libya should be "interesting" to put it mildly!

I suspect it may be waived by the immigration authorities in cases like this, though, but it could delay things somewhat.

David

[dbneeley]

BillyB,

You have made much of people responding to situations that seem to have arisen on prior exploits of yours. I, for one, know nothing of anything prior to this beyond a few references in this thread--nor am I particularly interested in them. I can only respond to what you have posted in this thread itself.

You seem to have a compulsion to boast--almost to a pathological extent. That is one reason I seriously doubt your actual emotional maturity. For another thing, you deliberately "wind people up" -- and then act somewhat righteous and injured when they respond predictably enough to what you have written in an attempt to provoke them. This, too, seems emotionally juvenile.

I find nothing particularly laudable in your conduct that would lead me to believe you are honest with yourself, let alone with others. I also find you are courting disaster by seeking marriage with a girl so young.

I don't think that your stated purpose in "giving advice to newbies" is particularly honest or valid. Anyone who thinks they must brag about their own prowess, for example, should stay home under adult supervision until they do some serious growing up.

On the other hand, if you actually pull it off I have no ill will toward either of you--I sincerely hope you can make it work.

David

[Kuna]

Quote from: Kuna on 03 April 2011, 21:02:45
You often talk about your Christian values and your faith in God, and one assumes you have planned a Church wedding. I have a question...  yes, a real question:

Being such a Christian man of upstanding values, and having real faith in God - Have you spoken to your Priest about your relationship and sought his advice and guidance on such an important issue like marriage?

Billy said:
I was in Missouri to attend a funeral a few weeks ago. I talked to my cousin's husband who's a pastor of a church. I told them both the fine qualities of A and her age. They told me she's sounds like a great woman and told me they can both look back since high school and can count 5 marriages that they know to be truly happy. Point is most people aren't happy in their marriages and based off what I told them and in the manner I told them, they didn't think I was making a mistake.

Although I currently don't attend church and A attends sometimes, we plan and choosing a church together that we're both comfortable with and raising our kids with God.
 

So...  from your long, meandering rant we can establish you don't go to Church,  even though you regularly justify yourself with Biblical teachings.  This in itself, is dishonest.  Con men do similar things when trying to cover their lies.

Here's a tip...  I'd think most Orthodox Priests would be suspicious of your motives and the genuine nature of your relationship.  You might have a bit of a challenge convincing him you're not jerking him around... I'd suggest when you do meet an Orthodox Priest you say as little as possible because he won't be convinced anymore than we are.  That's a free bit of advice for you.   

Now,  as A does seem to be a Church goer... and it's pretty safe to assume an Orthodox Christian,  I can't imagine her being happy to marry in a lesser denomination.  I say LESSER,  because this is the way most practicing Orthodox Christians would see it.

I think after you meet an Orthodox Priest you'll be off to some registry office or a Protestant Church... maybe the one your cousins husband is "involved in" - with the 5 happy marriages he knows of.   

Do you not see how contradictory your stories are???


Among many things I'll be fascinated to watch after her arrival will be how you explain this one.  I'm betting the Priest will have mental problems this time.  Seems like everyone around you EXCEPT YOU has mental problems.

Kuna, you have a habit of spending hours going back over people's posts to find lies and discrepancies. How many hours did you waste finding one misspelled word? Anybody else a FOOL to look for my lies in this thread and throughout my thousands of posts? Tom? BC, you told people to read my first 50 posts in another thread? You married guys are something else. You guys don't have anything better to do at home? Anything? Kuna, you have small children and a wife at home. Don't you need to pay attention to them or are they at the point they don't care anymore?

You've got tickets on yourself Billy.  I don't think anyone here has any desire to trawl back through your deluded and unstable rantings...  I certainly don't... I can't even bring myself to read all of your current posts because it's just embarrassing to see you make such a fool of yourself.

I have a decent memory... I don't remember everything... but I've been amused reading your lower intelligence stories and fundamental spelling mistakes and then hearing you claim to be some sort of genius.  It's the oddity that makes it stick in my mind.

btw... my wife and children are doing just fine mate.  I took the boys down to the beach today and had a ball watching them play with the other kids.  I guess you'll be able to do the same with A when she arrives.  Do you live near a beach?

If anybody was foolish enough to waste time going through my posts to see if I'm lying about A's age, you would have read numerous times earlier in this thread that I will not write real names and ages of women I date while their profile is still up. I could only imagine how many of you would try to Google that nympho I dated if I revealed her real info.

Billy, I don't have any inclination to read back through your drivel.. that's why I only ask questions on your current posts.

The one I asked (which you're now avoiding) was a pretty simple one.  A is 18 now.  You said you've been writing to her for 16 or 18 months... or something like that.

I just wanted to confirm whether A was 16 when you started writing to her... or whether she had JUST turned 17?


A man of such superior intellect should be able to do the maths...  correct?

I think you just avoid answering the questions which bring you back to reality.

I didn't answer you before Kuna but about 3 or 4 times earlier in this thread you said I was poor. Why did you lie? You told everybody that is what I've always said before. There is other misinformation you and others have been putting out constantly here and in other threads. I can't answer you all. All I can recommend to people who are now just reading this thread is to start from the beginning and if you have questions, ask them politely and you will get a polite answer.

Billy,  I don't remember saying that you've said you were poor previously, you've lost me again...  might be those little voices in your head again?  One minute they are tell you that you're God's gift to women (even though you don't know God).. and the next minute they tell you people are ganging up on you.

I certainly don't think you're a man of substance,  either in height or stature, looks,  intelligence, morals, or anything really.  I think you're more likely to be a troubled little man who struggles to deal with his demons. 


Can you please just answer one question...  Was A 16 when you started writing to her - or had she just turned 17?

[Lily]

Just a quick note. In the USSR times, Ukraine was one of three republics, along with Azerbaijan and Armenia, where the legal marriage age was 16 years old.
Not sure how things are now, though.