Anti-USA propaganda ? Or just plain sick...

[Boethius]

How do you know I have "no clue", GQ?  As I noted above, I have a relative who adopted not one, but six orphans, who she is raising.  She hasn't had to throw any in cold showers or pour capsaicin down their throats.

I think you are the one with no clue.  Exactly how many misbehaving children have you had to deal with personally?

Disciplining children is about building character, not about creating fear.  That goes for biological children as well as adoptees.

It actually is you who has taken a post out of context as some sort of "anti American" tact.  Not the case, as an actual reading of what I've posted would disclose.  But I realize false outrage is all the more entertaining.

[GQBlues]

How do you know I have "no clue", GQ?  As I noted above, *I have a relative who adopted not one, but six orphans*, who she is raising.  She hasn't had to throw any in cold showers or pour capsaicin down their throats.

LOL, hawly crap!

I have 2 Jewish freinds but that doesn't make me a Jew. LOL. My brother bought a small plot of land in Wyoming, but that doesn't make me a farmer. LOL.

Well, let's hope the relative lives in the same province/territory as you...

Exactly how many misbehaving children have you had to deal with personally?

Zip, none and that's why I don't judge Jessica nor do I judge the folks who adopted these emotional/behavioral challenged/damaged adopted children as casually as you do.  

It actually is you who has taken a post out of context as some sort of "anti American" tact.  Not the case, as an actual reading of what I've posted would disclose.  But I realize false outrage is all the more entertaining.

The thread is still available for anyone to read.

[Boethius]

Still, GQ, I have someone who I can ask, someone who is raising not one, but six adoptees.  She also raised biological children, and has a comparison.  So, the false canard on all the "problems" with adoptees was just that.  For every case of all the "problems" you throw out, I can counter with just as many, in fact, more cases of adoptees who have thrived.  But, if that's the way you feel, you shouldn't be commenting at all, as you have no direct experience to truly know what it is like to parent.

There were no emotional issues in the Beagley case.  That was explored during Beagley's appearance.  One twin is perfect and the other is one of those dreaded Russian adoptees to send back on the next plane?  LOL 

Beagley apparently has a boy who misbehaves.  I did too.  In my case, my son misbehaved because of curiosity.  Recognizing the how/why is critical.  Beagley just hasn't taken the time to understand why he is misbehaving, and how to reach him so that his behaviour improves.  I mean, come on.  We're talking about a seven year old here!

[Shadow]

Huh?!? This is what the entire thread is about. Except not exactly in the direction you imply.

LOL!! Well, that's the bear blaming the bee for eating all the honey.

As if America would disintegrate unless it's perfect? Heck, there's a silly Canadian that delights in pointing out at every chance she gets how silly we must be because of the .000452 intances of grave failure in the process. She huffs and puffs herself to self-righteousness despite not having a clue what it takes to care of these children. If that isn't enough, she compares our process for child adoption to be inferior to the process of animal adoption. For what? because 2 previous applicant proved to have a past abuse record that she feverishly surfed in the internet so she can boldly point it out to us? LOL. 2!?! Out of how many, 50,75, maybe 100 hundred thousand, maybe more? WTF!

THAT is how SILLY this entire discussion was. 99.995% success in these adoptions and we still get hot sauced. Talk about abuse, eh? No different than the ire Russians raised for that one boy sent back when the very same state and society sent back over 30,000 without so much as a murmur.

Shadow, Mrs Shadow herself turns a blind eye to what is happening in baby houses past and present, including you, for the opportunity to demonize the US along with that silly Canadian.

Those aren't baby houses in Russia Shadow, whether Mrs Shadow wants to admit it or not. Those are Frankenstein pens. The reality is, for each child in these pens is a child abandoned/forsaken by a Russian. That isn't a diversion, that's a bold fact.

How many baby houses in Russia have you personally visited ?

[GQBlues]

How many baby houses in Russia have you personally visited ?

2. How'bout you?

[GQBlues]

BTW - In addition to the above, and following the same line of thinking, exactly how many American parent's homes, who adopted Russian child/ren's, have you and mrs shadow had the pleasure of meeting and visiting? 

[Shadow]

BTW - In addition to the above, and following the same line of thinking, exactly how many American parent's homes, who adopted Russian child/ren's, have you and mrs shadow had the pleasure of meeting and visiting? 

We are not making supposes regarding homes of American parents, where as you do seem to make them regarding Russian orphanages.
However I suspect for you it is just a way of trolling.

[GQBlues]

We are not making supposes regarding homes of American parents, where as you do seem to make them regarding Russian orphanages.

Adoption is not a boutique, but your answered question is exactly the position of americans: Russian children are the goods we can buy, if even adoption Americans take as boutique. And that is why Mrs.Shadow is against allowing americans to adopt Russian children. I am against that Russian children are counted like a piece of chicken meat.

[Rubicon]

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street children in Perm discarded and ignored by Russians, helped by Americans.

[Rubicon]

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watch carefully what happens to underage female street children in Russia, 01:27 into the clip.  than watch what happens to most of the boys (prison) towards the end of the clip.

[Rubicon]

consider 70,000 russian children in orphanages in Russia at the age of five.

adopted by Americans:                              

clean homes, plenty of food.
at the age of 30, most of
these former orphans will be
educated and have jobs.
probably 99%, as noted
by GQBlues.

left in Russia:

life in abandoned buildings,
sewers, little food to eat.
at the age of 30, most will
be dead or in prison, after
suffering miserable lives on
the street--crime, prostitution,
alcohol and drug addictions.
probably over 90% will suffer
a tragic demise.

does Russia really care about their children, or are they just using them as political pawns?

[Shadow]

multiple quotes

And where in thos quote is anything about the homes of American adopting families ?
We are making a remark that Americans regard adoption like shopping for a new pet, but that is similar to the view that many men seem to regard "wife" as a job application.

[Shadow]

consider 70,000 russian children in orphanages in Russia at the age of five.

adopted by Americans:                              

clean homes, plenty of food.
at the age of 30, most of
these former orphans will be
educated and have jobs.
probably 99%, as noted
by GQBlues.

left in Russia:

life in abandoned buildings,
sewers, little food to eat.
at the age of 30, most will
be dead or in prison, after
suffering miserable lives on
the street--crime, prostitution,
alcohol and drug addictions.
probably over 90% will suffer
a tragic demise.

does Russia really care about their children, or are they just using them as political pawns?

I guess that you are still under the influence of anti-communist propaganda. some people just can not be saved.

[GQBlues]

And where in thos quote is anything about the homes of American adopting families ?
We are making a remark that Americans regard adoption like shopping for a new pet, but that is similar to the view that many men seem to regard "wife" as a job application.

Can't weasel out of that one Shadow, sorry...

But hey, look at the bright side. According to Boethius, our adoption system is worst than animal adoption so things are looking up baby!

[GQBlues]

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Sheesshhh, apparently Christina and her brother Jared Greenberg, and likely all the rest of the American missionaries doing the same thing are all evil and abusive. Someone ought to bring them home - today!

I really do WISH these crap stop pronto and leave these children for Russians to deal with. Get the evil Americans the hell out of dodge. Stop shopping for chicken meat.

[Daveman]

consider 70,000 russian children in orphanages in Russia at the age of five.

adopted by Americans:                              

clean homes, plenty of food.
at the age of 30, most of
these former orphans will be
educated and have jobs.
probably 99%, as noted
by GQBlues.

left in Russia:

life in abandoned buildings,
sewers, little food to eat.
at the age of 30, most will
be dead or in prison, after
suffering miserable lives on
the street--crime, prostitution,
alcohol and drug addictions.
probably over 90% will suffer
a tragic demise.

does Russia really care about their children, or are they just using them as political pawns?

Of course "they" (Russians) are using that situation to their political advantage.  Nothing like a very emotionally charged topic to expand "patriotic feelings" as well as to increase national solidarity (especially US vs THEM.. AND adding children to the mix - something politicians as well as politically inclined lay persons do at every open opportunity).

It *does* work with the herds of the masses while the wielders of the manipulations guffaw at the fools sheep who emotionally jump into line and blindly follow.

That being said, yes, the follow-up could be better... and should be.. so how do we accomplish that with the limited budget resources and qualified staff available?

And where in thos quote is anything about the homes of American adopting families ?
We are making a remark that Americans regard adoption like shopping for a new pet, but that is similar to the view that many men seem to regard "wife" as a job application.

I am sure some American individuals look at it exactly that way, but Americans do not. There is a spectrum of personalities and a myriad of reasons as to why people chose to adopt, here or abroad.  I'm all for making and ensuring environments are safer for adopted children, but much of this debate is, figuratively and quite topically, throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[Gator]

And where in thos quote is anything about the homes of American adopting families ?
We are making a remark that Americans regard adoption like shopping for a new pet, but that is similar to the view that many men seem to regard "wife" as a job application.

Pets are given high respect by American society and have been given strong legal protection (e. g., Michael Vick).

[Shadow]

Pets are given high respect by American society and have been given strong legal protection (e. g., Michael Vick).

I know. People are even discussing if they shoud take the blonde or the brunette.   

[Faux Pas]

I know. People are even discussing if they shoud take the blonde or the brunette.   

The nature of the beast is, that the numbers are much greater in this pursuit that attracts those A-type personalties by the droves. Model face, big tits, small waist and long legs all wrapped up in a 19 year old body. Many guys look East with these things only in mind. Probably the vast majority but, let's don't throw "that" baby out with the bath water  

[Rubicon]

I guess that you are still under the influence of anti-communist propaganda. some people just can not be saved.

Russia has not been communist for many many years, so your comment is misplaced.  the current system in Russia is referred to by economists as "primitive capitolism", where robber barons and corruption flourish.  America went through the same phase of primitive capitolism over one hundred years ago, as did Great Britain.  at this point in time the American economy and especially the social support structure is much more advanced than Russia.  contrary to your assertions most Americans who adopt foreign orphans are loving and patient parents, who think very seriously about what they are about to undertake before adopting.  the adoptions should go forward, and in my opinion, they should be increased ten fold; that is why I gave a figure of 70,000.  Russia probably had a much better safety net to prevent children from living on the streets in the 50's 60's and 70's.  but since the collapse of communism the situation has gotten much worse for these children.  if you really were interested in putting the best interests of the children first, than you would stop all of this political propaganda and be a much more objective person. 
btw, cannot is one word.

[Rubicon]

The nature of the beast is, that the numbers are much greater in this pursuit that attracts those A-type personalties by the droves. Model face, big tits, small waist and long legs all wrapped up in a 19 year old body. Many guys look East with these things only in mind. Probably the vast majority but, let's don't throw "that" baby out with the bath water  

OFF TOPIC!!!

[Maxx2]

OFF TOPIC!!!

Excuse me but does anybody know where I found this photo?

[GQBlues]

the adoptions should go forward, and in my opinion, they should be increased ten fold; that is why I gave a figure of 70,000. 

Not me. Not anymore. I wish the current talks never gets resolved and this latest event should give a stronger cause to terminate any adoption negotiations between the US and Russia. Period.

Prospective US adopters can adopt children elsewhere other than Russia, and likewise Russia hopefully can open their doors widely for other nations to pick up where the US left off.

[3T_Ventus]

Excuse me but does anybody know where I found this photo?

Maxx2,

I believe you can find that photograph on the front page of RWD. Please elaborate where you are getting at? What are you trying to say?!

3T_Ventus

[Faux Pas]

OFF TOPIC!!!

Actually, threads meander as this one did and I see it as ON TOPIC. Supposed I touched a nerve. Too bad so sad.