Advice for The Natural

[AsH]

I tend to aggree those are subconscious responses which are next to impossible to fake just like if a woman isn't interested in you then you REALY know about it 

[The Natural]

I wonder how I will appear in Skypes as I have the pc connected to the 42" plasma in my home cinema room which is painted in black. It is pretty dark obviously but fortunately I have three windos and of course 14 spots in the ceiling. But black soaks up light increadibly effective.

[AsH]

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[Aloe]

I wonder how I will appear in Skypes as I have the pc connected to the 42" plasma in my home cinema room which is painted in black. It is pretty dark obviously but fortunately I have three windos and of course 14 spots in the ceiling. But black soaks up light increadibly effective.

No need to wonder, go to tools - options - video options and it will show you

[AsH]

I cant imagine this whole exercise without skype!

[The Natural]

No need to wonder, go to tools - options - video options and it will show you

Yes, but I haven't yet received the camera. Will do when I have it within next week hopefully.

[Muzh]

I feel she's right. relationships  should progress, not stagnate.
 Like they should in person.

skype/video seems just  a natural progression from where you started from,
and she is quite typical in expecting things to progress towards that,
 many RW will do similarly.

I hear most of the guys agree with this statement.

I understand Pushkin was not that good looking. I wonder how he would have done with skype?

I'd like to hear what the ladies think. Do they prefer to skype more than read letters/emails? Which form of communication would have greater impact in forming a relationship?

C'mon ladies, give it a go.

[Aloe]

I hear most of the guys agree with this statement.

I understand Pushkin was not that good looking. I wonder how he would have done with skype?

I'd like to hear what the ladies think. Do they prefer to skype more than read letters/emails? Which form of communication would have greater impact in forming a relationship?

C'mon ladies, give it a go.

I preferred instant messaging, exchange IM info in first message, never e-mail. Skype(voice) is also good but without webcam mostly. Webcam is very exhausting having to watch how you look all the time Used skype to IM mostly

[Gylden]

My experience was very positive with my wife using ICQ and a web cam.

[GQBlues]

My advice for The Natural:

1. You just got a divorce. Why rush getting married again?

2. If you're not very comfortable being alone, or you're the type who needs to be in relationships, and would like to explore what's out there for you - why limit yourself to FSU? You're blessed with being IN Europe with relatively close proximity to different cultures and choices of potential parters.

3. If Russia/Ukraine's ease of meeting/dating women because of the obvious appeals to you, then take full advantage of it. Write to as many women as you can possibly do while keeping it on a non-personal level. Do your filtering and dwindle the list, it won't take that long, then take the time to meet them 'all' in person FIRST. Making sure everyone understands what the purpose of this trip is. If upon your return you are able to better determine who amongst those women you would like to continue to 'get to know' further and deeper - THAT is when you need to put in this much time and emotional investment on...

IMHO, doing it in the way you're doing it seem rather counter-productive and limiting to me. How can you make the right choice if you never had choices to make it from to begin with?

This is just my personal advice and one which I followed during my search. I am NOT faulting any other methodology but simply giving you an advice based on my personal perspective, principle, logic, and most importantly, experience.

[The Natural]

I was contacted by a woman from Singles.ru a couple of days ago. From her photos, she's a really beautiful woman at 32. After now receiving her second e-mail, there's a couple of points I'd like to raise and get opinions on.

1. She didn't mentioned it in her first letter, but in her second letter she say she can't speak English and use a translation service she pays for. Yet responds with a pretty long letter within hours!

2. In her first letter she list several hobbies, in her second letter she say she don't have a particular hobby.

3. She answered only one of my questions. She didn't ask me any personal questions or ask for photos.

4. She has sent a photo of herself standing beside a handsome guy who she claim is her twin brother. Then today a photo of the two of them, a baby and a fat woman she claim to be her brother's wife.


I'm pretty sure I've got a scammer here, but how to flush her/him out? A request for her full name and address? Other course of action?

[Ade]

Other course of action?

Don't bother to waste your time. Ignore her/him and move on.

[Misha]

I was contacted by a woman from Singles.ru

I'm pretty sure I've got a scammer here, but how to flush her/him out?

I was always a bit more cautious with the women who contacted me first, notably if I did not look at their profile. In this case, I would simply drop her and look for someone else as there are many fish in the sea and at this stage there are no clearly risks and you are better to continue your search.

[The Natural]

OK, so I don't get to play Scambusters 

[Ade]

OK, so I don't get to play Scambusters 

Why would you? Life is too short and all your "busting" efforts will inevitably be an exercise in futility anyway. :noidea:

[Faux Pas]

OK, so I don't get to play Scambusters 

It would appear you have too much time on your hands 

[Jumper]

I wouldn't waste time,


that said,
I don't know that scammers would generally send photos with another man.
Its not normal to throw things out to an intended *mark* ,
that might lead to distrust or require excuses or explainations.
odds are she has plenty of photos without a man in them,
and  I'd doubt a scammer would use those you received  in inital contacts.



Of course you live close enough if i was in your shoes i'd be this weekend in st pete just to enjoy the place.
If i ran into someone that would be ok too.
You've experience with RW already, and some with the culture.
I'd dive right in if it still interested me, the waters fine! and not colder than where you live.

[The Natural]

It would appear you have too much time on your hands 

No joke. I have plenty of free time I need to fill with something.

[Faux Pas]

No joke. I have plenty of free time I need to fill with something.

My advice would be to consider stamp collecting, model airplanes or another hobby. Chasing scammers  is a complete waste of time and accomplishes nothing. These are people with absolutely zero moral fiber and no redeeming qualities. Some are also very proficient with hacking code and computers. They are going to exist and nothing you do will change that. You are in this to find a woman for a possible lifetime relationship. It makes no sense to waste time with bottom feeders.

[The Natural]

Yes, but I suppose it might be good to try and find out. If one is too critical and always looking for scammers, one might miss a really good woman because of misunderstandings. A little further investigation should settle that I think. And what's the worst that can happen if one run into a scammer? I don't intend to send any money to anyone I have never met. So I wrote back and asked for more information. No big deal really.

[Faux Pas]

Yes, but I suppose it might be good to try and find out. If one is too critical and always looking for scammers, one might miss a really good woman because of misunderstandings. A little further investigation should settle that I think. And what's the worst that can happen if one run into a scammer? I don't intend to send any money to anyone I have never met. So I wrote back and asked for more information. No big deal really.

Scammers are continually working their agenda. While one flag may appear, it will be a series of things ending in a request for money where you'll easily recognize them. Depending on how good they are and how well they've crafted their trade will generally determine how quickly you catch on to that agenda. Follow those 10  commandments listed on RWD. Have you read them? Many guys at some point overrule against one or two of them. Few men overrule them all and find a sincere woman.

[Daveman]

Yeah FP is correct.. it's a total waste of time as they don't really pay attention much to anything but the positive reaction to the money pump.

It's fun for a short period, akin to typing in goofy stuff with the computer scripts:

"Welcome PimplyAssedManufacturerOfHemmorhoidalPaste!

Did you know, PimplyAssedManufacturerOfHemmorhoidalPaste, that you can find the perfect woman on the net?? YES PimplyAssedManufacturerOfHemmorhoidalPaste, you can!  These traditional women are waiting to meet a man just like PimplyAssedManufacturerOfHemmorhoidalPaste!

So, let's be honest, PimplyAssedManufacturerOfHemmorhoidalPaste, aren't you interested in this??"


well, you get the idea.

[The Natural]

Yes, I will be careful and I have read the 10 rules. But what I'm saying is, I have not yet established if we're talking about a scammer here or not. I'm just giving her the benefit of the doubt for the time being. I only have 3 women I write to now. So I will see what happens.

[Faux Pas]

Yes, I will be careful and I have read the 10 rules. But what I'm saying is, I have not yet established if we're talking about a scammer here or not. I'm just giving her the benefit of the doubt for the time being. I only have 3 women I write to now. So I will see what happens.

Your gut feeling is usually correct. If you suspect it, it is probably for good reason you just haven't identified yet. The upside is, there is more sincere women out there looking for you than scammers. Some of the early signs are, they tend to write dreamy, fantasy letters as a pubescent teen might. They will ask you simple questions yet rarely if ever respond to your direct inquiries. Look at the letters with an open mind, could it be a form letter with your name dropped in it a dozen or so times? There is a number of tell-tale signs that each alone doesn't mean much but a number of them together usually lead to a scam. Identify them, trash them and move on would be my suggestion. Life is too short to sweat the small stuff.  

[The Natural]

Your gut feeling is usually correct. If you suspect it, it is probably for good reason you just haven't identified yet. The upside is, there is more sincere women out there looking for you than scammers. Some of the early signs are, they tend to write dreamy, fantasy letters as a pubescent teen might. They will ask you simple questions yet rarely if ever respond to your direct inquiries. Look at the letters with an open mind, could it be a form letter with your name dropped in it a dozen or so times? There is a number of tell-tale signs that each alone doesn't mean much but a number of them together usually lead to a scam. Identify them, trash them and move on would be my suggestion. Life is too short to sweat the small stuff.  

Well, this one didn't write dreamy, fantasy letters except to say she wanted to find love which is perfectly fine as that's what I'm also looking for. I've only gotten two letters from her so far, but rest assure I will pick up on the points you mentioned should they arise.

Systematically not answering questions is a big one for me. Even if it wasn't a scammer, I would not want to continue with a woman who don't answer most questions OR don't ask me personal question. That would signal to me a lack of genuine interest.

But the contact I have with the first one, the one from the Crimea, goes very well. She's absolutely real and if I wrote something and she don't undewrstand, she very quickly send me a short e-mail back and ask me to explain more closely. I like that!

By the way Faux Pas, I really appreciate you and all the good advice you give.