Difficulty to get a hot young Russian / Eastern European woman?

[Misha]

If he is shy or introverted - it's unlikely he is going to change, and he should not try to change it. Because there is a great demand for introverted men too.

I agree. Some women actually prefer quiet family men to the extroverted бабник 

[SFandEE]

Unless, the woman actually loves her man....

So this is one of the key points that is important in this whole enterprise and actually relevant to the forum.  MOBs that are making a buck introducing professional chatters, letter writers, and professional daters to sincere men looking to connect are an deceitful diversion from these two people meeting.

I don't know how often going to a night club in Kyiv will result in meeting a woman who will eventually love you, especially if you are not comfortable in that environment, but I see a green light from RWD women saying come on in the water is warm and full of potential women to meet.  Hopefully it goes well.

[GQBlues]

So i advise putting  oneself  in places it might happen,, take a few  chances , study somethinfg interesting, get more experiences, and the confidence naturally follows. Perhaps it takes some to take that first step..? but this really isn't  chicken or the edd first theory, as most do build confidence by repeated exposer and success , regardless how much you start out with?  First jump out of a perfectly good airplane, most people are not so
*completely* confident, 150th jump its pretty routine. No matter their initial level of confidence, it went up from exposer and experience.

It figures AJ will hit the exact point I was making. Daredevil that he is, he'd be the first guy to know the biggest and highest of the stunt jumps starts from the smallest bump being done repeatedly and progressively. Dating women is not any different.

Unless of course, again, like I've previously said, you have uncanny abilities, abundance of skills and cat-like reflexes, then you hit the ground in full stride - then just cruise.

Aren't you mixing up some of those roles/actors

Rats Sandro! Posting on the fly seem much tougher these days than it used to be. Hate it when that happens...chalk one up to old age.  

If he is shy or introverted - it's unlikely he is going to change, and he should not try to change it. Because there is a great demand for introverted men too. He just needs to meet a girl with complementary personality.

mies-

Maybe you may be meaning 'quiet or reserved? Sexy is the quiet and mysterious man. IMO, there's a huge difference between an introvert from someone who's quiet or reserved.  Introverts, because they have nothing good to say about themselves, always *think* they're classified as reserved. Just my opinion. There are a lot of highly confident men who are quiet and/or reserved. Like the OP, I don't think it typifies 'introverts'.

Besides, the idea I was trying to convey isn't necessarily to mean the OP to become a social bubblegum. Having that attitude and confidence will definitely help him, or anyone, to make better judgment when they hit the ground running, is all...do you not agree?

[mies]

I don't know how often going to a night club in Kyiv will result in meeting a woman who will eventually love you, especially if you are not comfortable in that environment,

About same often as going to an online dating site. ("Success rate" is estimated as incidents of women fallen in love with you per unit of time spent on the site ). Going to club doesn't guarantee finding a woman there, but it does guarantee meeting women, and feeling better about himself. Some of these women are very interesting and overall nice individuals. Just like some of the men are, while some are not.

[mies]

mies-

Maybe you may be meaning 'quiet or reserved?

No, I meant introvert. I took a series of graduate-level psychology courses back in Ukraine as a requirement for being able to teach in university (as i did). So it just happens so, that i know the meaning of basic "fancy words". I took all sort of crazy courses while in college(s), and i studied for quite long. While at times I may show glowing ignorance in some topics, at other times I may possess significant amount of knowledge in completely unexpected area.

Google says that introvert is "a person who tends to shrink from social contacts and to become preoccupied with their own thoughts"

Having said that, I do not imply that the OP is an introvert. I know nothing about him, so he can be any sort of personality.

[SFandEE]

In theory a woman on an introduction site is better vetted for interest in a relationship, especially a woman who is on a site that reports qualifying interested WM and interested FSUW.

I prefer in person introductions as well myself, but in theory these sites should be better.  I agree they are likely not any better at qualifying than going out to a night club in Kyiv.  That is unfortunate, but likely.  I do hear a group of contributers who are rather fond of EM for meeting women who are qualified as interested in meeting WM.

[GQBlues]

No, I meant introvert....

Didn't mean to imply less of any of your credentials, thus was asking for clarification. Nonetheless, having defined 'introvert' and understanding what it is, I was nevertheless lost when you said....

Because there is a great demand for introverted men too.

Which to me, since we're speaking about the OP, seem rather inappriopriate considering his age (28) and the likely ages of the women he'll be targeting ( <28 ) . I, personally, do not know, or aware of, a lot women in the early to mid 20s who prefer, much less 'demand', their partners to be that of one who constantly requires 'alone' time, or one who need to remove oneself from people to re-charge. But that's just me....maybe you're right. Maybe in Ukraine there's a huge demand for introverted men his age by women in their early to mid-20s...dunno

[mies]

Didn't mean to imply less of any of your credentials, thus was asking for clarification. Nonetheless, having defined 'introvert' and understanding what it is, I was nevertheless lost when you said....

sure, i just explained why do i know those things.

Which to me, since we're speaking about the OP, seem rather inappriopriate considering his age (28) and the likely ages of the women he'll be targeting ( <28 ) . I, personally, do not know, or aware of, a lot women in the early to mid 20s who prefer, much less 'demand', their partners to be that of one who constantly requires 'alone' time, or one who need to remove oneself from people to re-charge. But that's just me....maybe you're right. Maybe in Ukraine there's a huge demand for introverted men his age by women in their early to mid-20s...dunno

you are "looking" at one of such women  :evil:
I'm not in my early-to-mid 20s anymore, but i've always been like that, and can't stand people who keep bugging me all the time. When I go out, i go crazy, for few hours. Then i go home and "recharge". I do not exactly need "alone" time, as long as people around me do not bother me. So far it works out perfectly for my family and I am really happy about that I know quite many people - both men and women - in my social circle in Ukraine who are similar to me (probably self-selection). Also I feel very comfortable in large crowds where everyone is busy talking to somebody else, and I can mingle in the crowd and relax. So maybe in the end, i'm not really an introvert ))) dunno  

[GQBlues]

...Scarily enough I only did it for the nookie (what an awful song lol) and told the band when i auditioned that was all i was there for. take it or leave it. ( i was arse in my youth it seems ,hopefully i've matured! but not too much lol),,

AJ-

I liked Bizkit but never realized you were in it. I watched the vid twice and unless I no longer remember the face..tell me, tell me...4 stringers?

[GQBlues]

you are "looking" at one of such women  :evil: 

OK, if you feel you must, I'll wait. A jpeg file will be fine. 

[SFandEE]

Also I feel very comfortable in large crowds where everyone is busy talking to somebody else, and I can mingle in the crowd and relax. So maybe in the end, i'm not really an introvert ))) dunno  

I find that a large crowd in a night club, with or without friends, is a place where you can be in public, but alone.  You can get lost in the light and sounds, conversation is very difficult with the noise and crowds, so really not a bad place to be a bit introverted.  If you notice some people, they will dance alone with their eyes closed.

[dbneeley]

One suggestion I have not seen in this thread: why not simply look at some of the ladies who are also engineers? There have been some extremely attractive ones on various of the websites over the years, including quite recently.

Anyone who has gone through a university course in engineering and worked in the profession will already be familiar with many of the personality types who gravitate to it.

It could also enhance her chances of employment in Viking's town--which IIRC isn't all that large and other options for employment may be limited.

David

[mies]

here, I found perfectly hot "engineering" girls for Viking  
http://www.ursmu.ru/english/news/news/miss-and-mister-of-usmu-2011.-history-in-the-details.html

[Nat]

Yey Nat...you're too late. I had my pics posted all over the message forums before and judging from the overall consensus, I have the distinction of being the ugliest mofo ever to step off the Russian tarmac.

Come on, don't disappoint me! You were so detailed in your instructions even on smallest details, that I'm sure you have a bunch of photos which will lighten up girls' day There's no reason to be shy - we all know each other for years here

[Partizan]

Viking, you are 28, single in a good job, living and working in a fantastic country like Sweden. Mate, the world is your oyster. Dont just sit at home feeling sorry for yourself. Get out there and have fun and lots of it. Why go to Ukraine? How about Russia? 180 million odd people and a bigger pool to fish out of than say Ukraine. If you are looking for a sun holiday try Sochi. There will be loads of smoking hot dyevs there who would more than happy to meet a guy like you. Get out of your shell, spruce yourself up and learn some Russian. I'm heading to Sochi in July for a couple of weeks to meet friends and I'm getting ready for it already. Since my breakup last December, I have got back into shape and I'm learning Russian. Even though my friends can speak English, I feel I would not get the true experience without speaking the local lingo. People will appreciate it you more if you have the few words. Relax and go with the flow.

If you wish to get acquainted with local women try the mamba site. vkontakte is good as well.

[mies]

Come on, don't disappoint me! You were so detailed in your instructions even on smallest details, that I'm sure you have a bunch of photos which will lighten up girls' day There's no reason to be shy - we all know each other for years here

I'd be happy to see that photo too!!

On a separate note: as memories started coming to me, i just remembered that during my years as an undergraduate student and a "freelance" party animal, one of my friends was a girl from polytechnics university, mechanical engineer. She has not missed a single large or notable party in Kiev, and was regularly going to Moscow and other russian cities to party there too.
Interestingly, she was also super smart, and super hard working. She had all sort of awards for her research and for community work in her university, and nationwide. Super energetic, super friendly and happy girl, and super hot too So i guess it proves the point that in general Engineers aren't boring or shy

Why go to Ukraine?

I offered it as an option because he doesn't need visa there, and can just jump on a plane and go there. A trip to any of the Baltic states would be even easier, and notably cheaper than either Ukraine or Russia.
 

[mies]

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[Aloe]

To the topic starter:
You are good looking, so don't worry about your looks. What is exactly your problem with sense of humor? Do you not understand any jokes, as somebody mentioned? I seriously doubt that this is the case. You probably don't tell many jokes, but you do laugh at other people's jokes? I think your one and only problem is confidence. Once you get confident, everything else will follow. You may not become the comedian of the evening (although i'm sure you can train yourself to be that, but there is no point in that), but sure you will be charming enough, just because you are confident.
I think it's a mistake to advice the author go to Ukraine to raise his confidence. Surely getting all the attention from ukrainian girls will raise his confidence... WITH ukrainians. You put him back in his home town and there will be no trace left of his confidence, cuz he most likely will be sure that the way the ukrainian girls treated him is unique to Ukraine and will NOT happen with swedish girls, ever. I think he needs to practice on swedish girls, as painful as it may sound Once you gain your confidence in Sweden, everywhere else will be no problem. I do not have a recipe on how to increase your confidence, but there are thousands of books and psychology courses dedicated to that.
Although i honestly don't see why you would have confidence issues. You look good, you have a good education that nearly guarantees you a good job ANYWHERE in the world, you seem to be a decent guy in general. Did you grow up burying yourself in books and computer and not socializing at all? Maybe that's why.

Not to worry Vike.  There are many great looking FSU ladies around 5'2 plus or minus an inch or two.  I always regretted having to eliminate some of those as I am 6' 1.5.   So you might have to settle for a 5'2 one like this:
http://www.loveme.com/invar/services/women/women_extraphoto.php?wid=118430&wname=6_Marina
That shouldn't be too hard to deal with?

What do you mean "settle"? You are implying that shorter women aren't as beautiful, that's so russian of you Short women are beautiful too, so saying "settle" is just wrong.

Being an introvert, married now for close to 5 years, I can affirm this is not a problem if you find the right woman as it is a lot easier to date women in Russia, even very attractive women. If she loves you, then the introverted thing and the personality quirks are not an issue.

You make it sound like being an introvert is a shortcoming. I like men who aren't into partying and having a million friends. In fact i really really love it that my husband doesn't want to go out with any buddies and spends all his free time with me.

That comment is almost as silly as the thread itself, I did say..............almost.

I was looking into doing "work and travel" program so i hung out at the appropriate forums, it was a common comment there from girls that in the US they got soooo much more attention from guys, and how even average looking girls in their group would date really hot guys there.
Also personally many RM don't find me attractive cuz of my height, i have actually heard it a few times from them that i'm not so attractive, but all i hear from foreigners is "lingerie model", "super hot", "beautiful", "sexy" blah blah, i feel i am a LOT more popular with the foreigners than back home. At home i'd estimate 6 out of 10 found me beautiful, with foreigners it seems to be 9/10. Apparently height is not such a big issue abroad as it is in FSU.

Yey Nat...you're too late. I had my pics posted all over the message forums before and judging from the overall consensus, I have the distinction of being the ugliest mofo ever to step off the Russian tarmac.
 

mies-

If you read my post again, you'll find that I actually used the words 'too much' and 'a bit' to describe feminine and masculinity respectively. In the end, I pretty much agree that too much of either is not necessarily good. Moreover, If you once again look at the photos the OP made available, I believe he actually is better looking than his blonde posse, but I can guarantee you that his posse gets all the chicks. Why? once again because, IMO, his posse projects a stronger presence.

Case in point: Pierce Brosnan vs. Daniel Craig and/or Sean Connery. Put these 3 James Bond characters in the same room and the latter 2 will definitely captivate more than the first.

Hollywood lost a ton of money for ignoring this very simple concept when they casted Orlando Bloom for the lead role in Kingdom of the Heavens. Orlando seriously lack the strenght in his presence to support such a strong role. He was even overwhelmed in his role as Deiphobus, next to Eric Bana, who played Hector, and of course Pitt, who played Troy. The latter two, FWIW, is not necessarily 'better looking' than Orlando but they simply exude much more strenght in their presence. Period. You couldn't mix those 3 roles and get the same response in the manner they had it in the film.

Tom Cruise got popular from a boyish persona in Risky business, but not until he got 'buffed' in his roles on Topgun all the way to Mission Impossible, did he earn the notoriety of a heartthrob. Matt Damon...the dude is 'hot' according to many women I know. He's not necessarily a great looking dude. Vin Diesel is another one. Care to wonder why?

Everytime we have this kind of discussion, folks get lost too much in physical appearances. Sure there are many out there who relies heavily in being good looking. But it isn't in how you look, it is in how you project yourself in any given social situation that will captivate most people. Attitudes and confidence are fed not only by physical attribute. Fame, fortune, athletes, smarts, etc..also exude attitudes and confidence.

The OP is a darn good example of this point. Good looking guy but a whimper in terms of presence because he's lacking in those two things I mentioned above. Consequently, his present social status sux.

I will submit, he can go to FSU and date many women, but why settle for just 'women' when he has the untapped tools to be able to date the very best of them? Ugly folks, like yours truly, can date and marry FSUWs. But chances are, those women will be equal to their ugliness. If they are much better looking than the men they marry - 100% guarantee, like LAMan said, it's just a matter of time before hunky BBD drives up her driveway.

No women wants to be married with ugly men. Trust me. Ugly women are happy to be married to ugly men because without either, no one else will date them. Unless these ugly men have uncanny abilities, abundance of skills, and cat-like reflexes like I do. Then it's cool to be ugly...and date/marry really hot chicks.  

I second the other girls, provide pics

By the way you are kidding about the james bonds, right?? I'd choose Brosnan hands down. Craig just has something incredibly unattractive in hiom to me, i can't figure out what, he just repulses me on an inner level. Sean Connery was unattractive when he was young, but he does make one hot old man Definitely got 100 times better with age, but still Brosnan is the hottest of the 3.

And you gotta be freakin kidding saying Brad Pitt isnt necesserily hotter than Bloom. Srsly??? Brad Pitt is 10000000000000000 times better looking. something about the face.

Didn't mean to imply less of any of your credentials, thus was asking for clarification. Nonetheless, having defined 'introvert' and understanding what it is, I was nevertheless lost when you said....

Which to me, since we're speaking about the OP, seem rather inappriopriate considering his age (28) and the likely ages of the women he'll be targeting ( <28 ) . I, personally, do not know, or aware of, a lot women in the early to mid 20s who prefer, much less 'demand', their partners to be that of one who constantly requires 'alone' time, or one who need to remove oneself from people to re-charge. But that's just me....maybe you're right. Maybe in Ukraine there's a huge demand for introverted men his age by women in their early to mid-20s...dunno

Of course there is huge demand for introverts. Introvert women like myself mostly choose introvert men. I don't want someone who parties or who has 100 friends that all need attention, i like a guy who likes staying home, cuz i like staying home. (but also likes to travel )

[Misha]

You make it sound like being an introvert is a shortcoming. I like men who aren't into partying and having a million friends. In fact i really really love it that my husband doesn't want to go out with any buddies and spends all his free time with me.

Being introverted is a shortcoming for men when dating. However, once married, I agree with you that it is no longer an issue. My wife certainly shares your opinion 

[Jumper]

AJ-

I liked Bizkit but never realized you were in it. I watched the vid twice and unless I no longer remember the face..tell me, tell me...4 stringers?

lol!!
GQ, it was just a song..
no connection with the limpz band whatsoever,
 other than my motives for auditioning for the local chicago one.

[Jumper]

Aloe-
 i agree anyone should practice on their own turf first.
Yet the reality is if someone hasn't found that by now,
then it can sometimes take something a little unusual
 to break out of the rut,and gain new experiences..

I wasn't  talking changing introvert to extrovert or anything like that.

while it's possible you  could write off the confidence
aquired  in the FSU to only being "FSU girls" ,
some might carry over.
and beats the heck out of not doing anything ?
which is the typical scenario if remaining  in the same locale.

If it's just  a nudge to get him off the coach ,or just out of his small town ,
, then it still comes down to more interactions and  more odds he'd meet a girl that likes him for who he is.
He might meet a nice swedish girl at the airport..on his way to the FSU!!
 ( its certianly  possible to met women while waiting  connecting flights or what have you,   life has lots of opportunities if you are out and about ,less if you remain in a stagnant situation)

[Muzh]

Oh boy. How many pages since Saturday? Wow.

Hey Thor, you still there? Listen to Uncle Muzh to get you going.

To all: there is everything wrong with being an introvert as there is being an extrovert, since we relish the negative. Now, from a different perspective; there is nothing wrong with being an introvert as there is being an extrovert.

Thor here is having a self-confidence problem; it has nothing to do with being introvert.

Thor, you'll have to grow some bolas and believe in yourself because no one else will if you don't. You don't need to change anything else: your sweetness, your "femenine side" (aka Hugh Grant wanna be), etc. The only thing you need to do is believe in yourself. And that my friend is NOT teachable.

Here is a hint. As some have mentioned, go to the country and spend some time there. Here's the twist. Nobody knows you there so you can screw up as many times as you want while figuring out how to believe in yourself. No need to macho yourself.

Regarding engineers; I'm surrounded by engineers and they are nothing like the description above. The majority come from Upstate NY engineering schools like RPI, St Lawrence and Clarkson. What they have is the ice hockey mentality.

Back to Thor. Dude with your looks I would have gotten laid so much more than I did when I was your age, and I lost count. So, start working on that self-confidence. You can thank me later.

Psst, Thor. Look what your Hugh Grant type persona got you this weekend. All the ladies here are captivated by you in a nice way. Not that it will get you anywhere with them but, just look at the response.

NOW, take it from there.

[GQBlues]

Come on, don't disappoint me!..

Wrong line, Nat. I no longer keep that statistic anymore.

However, being I am such a fair dude, if you notice down my sig line, there's a little thing that said 'Give Generously'. Click it, give generously, then give me the confirmation code.

100 bucks gives you 200x180 pix in gif. 500 bucks 1080x1260 BMP - LOL.

So i guess it proves the point that in general Engineers aren't boring or shy

No, I am not either, mies.

And you gotta be freakin kidding saying Brad Pitt isnt necesserily hotter than Bloom. Srsly??? Brad Pitt is 10000000000000000 times better looking. something about the face.

Trust me on this one Aloe. He is NOT as hot as you think he is. My wife saw him twice - closely. The first time was more like a groupie reaction, but the seond time around, she agrees "he ain't all that". My wife thought meeting Arnold Swatzy was the bigger deal.

If you like that kind of look, ask hubby to take you to South Bay (Hermosa, Manhattan, Redondo beaches) or even OC beaches. They're littered with guys like him.

[SFandEE]

Sex appeal--

Surprising to hear the adoration for PB over DC.  DC was a much more masculine Bond.   I guess pretty is what some girls want.

[Nat]

Sex appeal--

Surprising to hear the adoration for PB over DC.  DC was a much more masculine Bond.   I guess pretty is what some girls want.

I don't know about other girls, but Brosnan is smoking hot whereas Craig isn't hot at all Besides, I don't like Bondiane at all, and speaking of hot men I'd better recall young hot Aleck Baldwin (sp?).