Vincenzo's thread and Mamba debate

[Misha]

Yes, this is very true about contacts on Mamba.
At least, a good dating website will verify information about the marital status, kids, sex, age of a potential bride.

However, Fat Yuri, Elena alcoholic, and abused Julia will decline your request for a webcam call.

Who exactly are you quoting? Let me repeat once more: I met my wife with the help of mamba. She is neither a "Fat Yuri" nor an "Elena who drinks one bottle of vodka per day" and she was neither married nor divorced when we met.


As for the "good sites" verifying information about marital status, kids, sex, age, etc..., I was more than capable of verifying all that information all by my lonesome once I met the woman who would be my wife.


Do you not understand that by generalizing about all women on mamba and how they are all allegedly bad, that you are effectively insulting my wife?

[Vincenzo]

Are you saying that I won't be able to find Fat Yuri on mamba?
Yes, Mamba has been improving and there are fewer impersonators and whores.
You may find a perfect lady if you spend quite some time.

If a woman lives around the block, it's easy to verify her information. What if she lives thousands miles away?
For example, I found 500 women in Canada. But it'll be difficult to approach them.

This one is 27, but she is looking for a boy 16-20. No luck today!
http://love.mail.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=618062555&hit=10&fromsearch
This one is looking for virtual sex. Again, no luck!
http://love.mail.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=617374418&hit=10&fromsearch
Every other profile is strange.
70% are looking for "Friendship and chat".

[Misha]

Are you saying that I won't be able to find Fat Yuri on mamba?

If you are the one writing to women, it is highly unlikely that you will come across any "fat Yuri." Given the millions of profiles, it is a complete waste of time for a scammer to create a profile on mamba looking specifically for foreigners as the odds are good that no foreigner will ever find them.

You may find a perfect lady if you spend quite some time.

Yes, it takes time and effort and when you find her, trust me, it is worth it. From what I gather, you want to contact a handful of woman, sing her a few songs, and be guaranteed that she will love you before even meeting her. I am sorry to have to disappoint you, but life rarely works that way 

If a woman lives around the block, it's easy to verify her information. What if she lives thousands miles away?

That is why you don't fall in love until you meet her hin person.

For example, I found 500 women in Canada. But it'll be difficult to approach them.

Why?

Every other profile is strange.
70% are looking for "Friendship and chat".

I could have told you that looking for a woman in Canada using mamba is a waste of time    It is best to use mamba when looking for women in Russia 

[Vincenzo]

Yes, it takes time and effort and when you find her, trust me, it is worth it. From what I gather, you want to contact a handful of woman, sing her a few songs, and be guaranteed that she will love you before even meeting her. I am sorry to have to disappoint you, but life rarely works that way

I can continue the car buying example.

I know exactly what used car I want to buy: its color, model, and the price I want to pay. I search a few auto websites each day, check photos and descriptions. Then one day I see The Car - exactly what I want, I rush to the seller and give him a deposit.
What's wrong about this approach?

You meet The Girl, you give her a deposit by showing your interest in her, investing time and some money. She feels that keeping this relationship is worthwhile.
A song can't guarantee that she will marry you; but if it's about her, the song and everything romantic will guarantee that she'll meet you and spend some time together instead of visiting her "sick" mother.

[Misha]

What's wrong about this approach?

The car won't reject you and you can buy it if you have enough money. You can't buy love.

[Vincenzo]

You can't buy love, but a song can.
Strange?

[Patagonie]

Let him Misha, it's incurable.

[nicknick]

Are you saying that I won't be able to find Fat Yuri on mamba?
Yes, Mamba has been improving and there are fewer impersonators and whores.
You may find a perfect lady if you spend quite some time.

If a woman lives around the block, it's easy to verify her information. What if she lives thousands miles away?
For example, I found 500 women in Canada. But it'll be difficult to approach them.

This one is 27, but she is looking for a boy 16-20. No luck today!
http://love.mail.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=618062555&hit=10&fromsearch
This one is looking for virtual sex. Again, no luck!
http://love.mail.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=617374418&hit=10&fromsearch
Every other profile is strange.
70% are looking for "Friendship and chat".

Vincenzo,

If you look for women that are just looking for virtual sex or friendship then you will easily find them.

However, if you are interested in searching for a woman that is looking for love/relationship or marraige then you can also do that very easily as well by restricting your search to women looking for a relationship or marriage.

It's simply a case of ticking a box on the web page.

[Rubicon]

Let him Misha, it's incurable.

spot on mate!

 

[Daveman]

There are guys who have "fallen in love" (whatever you want to call it) with a photo/skype/email friend who have gone on one visit, got married, and appear to have success.  If it works it works. If it doesn't it doesn't.  That's just the nature of the game and he seems more than willing to play it. 


I think it really depends on both of them.  If the lady is similar, shares the same dreams/visions, wants it as badly as he does... who's to say?  There are no guarantees in life for any situation (taxes and death being excepted) - no guarantees for success OR failure.  It's all a journey anyway.  There are odds and percentages, likely scenarios, etc., but the bottom line is always a path two individuals choose to walk along together, how they relate and communicate, and how determined they are to stay on the same path.


He seems to feel he has found the "one".  Maybe she feels the same and the fantasy will materialize when they meet.  I hope he's right.  Time will tell.



There have been guys who have defeated the odds - one girl, one trip. And of course, every guy thinks he's an exception who will beat the odds.  Some do.  I do hope Vincenzo is one of them.  The odds are not in his favor but odds are for the realm of logic and reason. He's already transcended that level into passion and emotion causing his brain to fire on a different set of cylinders.  A thousand cluebats won't change that.

[Misha]

There are guys who have "fallen in love" (whatever you want to call it) with a photo/skype/email friend who have gone on one visit, got married, and appear to have success.  If it works it works. If it doesn't it doesn't.  That's just the nature of the game and he seems more than willing to play it. 

No objections, however Vincenzo isn't quite as willing to be as considerate of others. Even though we keep telling him that other men have met their wives on mamba, he keeps saying that there are no good women on mamba 

[Daveman]

No objections, however Vincenzo isn't quite as willing to be as considerate of others. Even though we keep telling him that other men have met their wives on mamba, he keeps saying that there are no good women on mamba 

His notion is based upon limited experience and conjecture.  That notion is an obvious fallacy.  Everyone knows it except for (seemingly) him.   So, why allow one man's erroneous rationale bother you? 


There are at least two good women who were on Mamba (mine and yours), and probably millions.  I'd say it's not the easiest pond to fish but for anyone to say "there are no good women on Mamba" is illogical to the point of being absurd. We all know it. 

[Misha]

His notion is based upon limited experience and conjecture.  That notion is an obvious fallacy.  Everyone knows it except for (seemingly) him.   So, why allow one man's erroneous rationale bother you? 

Not bothering me, just pointing out that I don't see why we should not point out that he is wrong when it comes to mamba. You make it seem as if we are somehow hounding and persecuting him, while I am stating that I am merely responding in kind. However, in reading his posts, I now understand the mentality that leads to men being scammed, duped, or otherwise used and then discarded down the road 

[Daveman]

Not bothering me, just pointing out that I don't see why we should not point out that he is wrong when it comes to mamba. You make it seem as if we are somehow hounding and persecuting him, while I am stating that I am merely responding in kind. However, in reading his posts, I now understand the mentality that leads to men being scammed, duped, or otherwise used and then discarded down the road 

Well, making anything seem any way was not my intent but rather an expression of personal thoughts was.


Sun Tzu's philosophies apply to life and fora as much as they do to war.  What's the goal?  To show his assertions and reasoning as fallacious or to become embroiled in a battle of will attrition until "he admits he's wrong"?


IMO, the former objective was overwhelmingly successfully accomplished. The latter is an irrelevant exercise in futility.  But, that's just one man's opinion - mine! all mine! and no one can make me change it! I'll dig in until hell freezes over! 

[Vincenzo]

You said,  "It is best to use mamba when looking for women in Russia."
I agree, but I would add, "and when you live in Russia and her city, speak Russian,  and can visit her on short notice." That's a nice backup source when you have nothing to do in a Russian city.

You forgot to mention that each girl that appears after each correct checkbox in the search form is checked has enormous amount of visitors and letters (thousands a month).

[Misha]

You said,  "It is best to use mamba when looking for women in Russia."
I agree, but I would add, "and when you live in Russia and her city, speak Russian,  and can visit her on short notice." That's a nice backup source when you have nothing to do in a Russian city.

People go to foreign cities all the time not to meet women: it is called plain old tourism... Besides, TwoBitBandit who uses mamba has never lacked in dates 

You forgot to mention that each girl that appears after each correct checkbox in the search form is checked has enormous amount of visitors and letters (thousands a month).

Thousands a month? You must be kidding. Sure, the women that are extremely young (20 or 21), with provocative photos, living in Moscow or St. Petersburg and are at the top of the lists may get thousands of views per month, but even attractive women who are a few years older than 22 and live in somewhat smaller cities won't be deluged by thousands of letters. Sure, it is a numbers game, but it is not that onerous. You sit on the couch while watching television and send messages. Hardly a daunting task.

[Vincenzo]

Let him Misha, it's incurable.

Somehow, your story proves my theory.

My theory: "Do your homework, communicate extensively via a webcam, make sure that you're The Man Number One for The Lady Number One by using all romantic things and that she's waiting for your real meeting."

You hadn't done any preparations, you hadn't selected The Number One, you hadn't communicated with her, she hadn't waited for you. She's going on a vacation the next day she met you. Sounds fishy.

Certainly, she is an agency girl and she might lie. It's the worst thing about agency girls: they don't say directly that they don't like you, but make up all kinds of excuses.

But she also knows that she's just one of many because you hadn't invested in her.

[Vincenzo]

Thousands a month? You must be kidding. Sure, the women that are extremely young (20 or 21), with provocative photos, living in Moscow or St. Petersburg and are at the top of the lists may get thousands of views per month, but even attractive women who are a few years older than 22 and live in somewhat smaller cities won't be deluged by thousands of letters. Sure, it is a numbers game, but it is not that onerous. You sit on the couch while watching television and send messages. Hardly a daunting task.

20 year-old girls are not marriage material. Ladies who are ready for marriage receive a lot of messages because Mamba is a free website.

[Misha]

20 year-old girls are not marriage material. Ladies who are ready for marriage receive a lot of messages because Mamba is a free website.

A lot? Certainly not thousand, quite often only a few per day, most of the men will be ruled out immediately. You don't like the idea of competition do you 

[Patagonie]

There are guys who have "fallen in love" (whatever you want to call it) with a photo/skype/email friend who have gone on one visit, got married, and appear to have success.  If it works it works. If it doesn't it doesn't.  That's just the nature of the game and he seems more than willing to play it. 


I think it really depends on both of them.  If the lady is similar, shares the same dreams/visions, wants it as badly as he does... who's to say?  There are no guarantees in life for any situation (taxes and death being excepted) - no guarantees for success OR failure.  It's all a journey anyway.  There are odds and percentages, likely scenarios, etc., but the bottom line is always a path two individuals choose to walk along together, how they relate and communicate, and how determined they are to stay on the same path.


He seems to feel he has found the "one".  Maybe she feels the same and the fantasy will materialize when they meet.  I hope he's right.  Time will tell.



There have been guys who have defeated the odds - one girl, one trip. And of course, every guy thinks he's an exception who will beat the odds.  Some do.  I do hope Vincenzo is one of them.  The odds are not in his favor but odds are for the realm of logic and reason. He's already transcended that level into passion and emotion causing his brain to fire on a different set of cylinders.  A thousand cluebats won't change that.

well said

[Vincenzo]

A lot? Certainly not thousand, quite often only a few per day, most of the men will be ruled out immediately. You don't like the idea of competition do you 

The ones that are good marriage material for me usually have 1,000 visitors a month.
Somebody can go and meet 50 girls from Mamba, yes it's possible. It doesn't cost the girls much to meet a foreigner at a restaurant and ditch him the next day.

[Vincenzo]

well said

Why hadn't you arranged your visit at the time when your perfect lady was available?

[Misha]

The ones that are good marriage material for me usually have 1,000 visitors a month.
Somebody can go and meet 50 girls from Mamba, yes it's possible. It doesn't cost the girls much to meet a foreigner at a restaurant and ditch him the next day.

Who told you this? Trust me, having me many wonderful marriage material women via mamba, I can tell you that they don't get thousands of visitors per month.

[Muzh]

Hey Vin, why don't you take a break and read this. This is for you and I can tell you Dave is right on the money.
 
 

There are guys who have "fallen in love" (whatever you want to call it) with a photo/skype/email friend who have gone on one visit, got married, and appear to have success.  If it works it works. If it doesn't it doesn't.  That's just the nature of the game and he seems more than willing to play it. 


I think it really depends on both of them.  If the lady is similar, shares the same dreams/visions, wants it as badly as he does... who's to say?  There are no guarantees in life for any situation (taxes and death being excepted) - no guarantees for success OR failure.  It's all a journey anyway.  There are odds and percentages, likely scenarios, etc., but the bottom line is always a path two individuals choose to walk along together, how they relate and communicate, and how determined they are to stay on the same path.


He seems to feel he has found the "one".  Maybe she feels the same and the fantasy will materialize when they meet.  I hope he's right.  Time will tell.


There have been guys who have defeated the odds - one girl, one trip. And of course, every guy thinks he's an exception who will beat the odds.  Some do.  I do hope Vincenzo is one of them.  The odds are not in his favor but odds are for the realm of logic and reason. He's already transcended that level into passion and emotion causing his brain to fire on a different set of cylinders.  A thousand cluebats won't change that.

Second, you have not earned your stripes yet for you to be making some of the comments posted by you. You are just starting so it would be wise to be more receptive than antagonizing. You do NOT know how the girls at mamba will react to someone. You can be # 1,009 and be the lucky one. I know this is the name of the thread, but I suggest you drop it.
 
Finally, you have charmed this lady so be prepared to maintain the charming factor. It will save you a lot of headaches. This is how she knows you. IF you become a different man when she gets here she'll start having doubts. A lot of reassurance instead of assumptions will go a long way.
 
Good luck.

[nicknick]

The ones that are good marriage material for me usually have 1,000 visitors a month.
Somebody can go and meet 50 girls from Mamba, yes it's possible. It doesn't cost the girls much to meet a foreigner at a restaurant and ditch him the next day.

Vincenzo,

Do you understand what is meant by a visit on mamba?

You sound as though you do not understand.

It merely means that somebody has clicked on her photo while they were searching. 

Whether or not they actually decided to even send her a message - and whether that message consisted of anything more than the Russian equivalent of Heyyy Wasssup?  is an entirely different issue.

For example, I clicked on this woman's image:-

http://www.mamba.ru/kathrin_2001/?lang_id=3

She is looking for:-

Looking for:
— Love/ relationship
 — Marriage/ family
 — Have and raise children

However, she really doesn't do it for me so I simply passed on to the next one.  But just that fact of me clicking on her image will add an extra one to the number of visitors that is recorded.

So, are you really bothered that a whole load of people have had a look at her profile?  And are you really bothered that a small number of these people might have bothered to reply and say ''Heyyy Wasssup? Do you fancy a quickie?''

Even those that are somewhat challenged in the beauty stakes manage to get a few hundred views in a month:-

for example  http://www.mamba.ru/anehka10/