scammed by yeva4u

[bruttus]

thank you

from what the director of yeva4u told me, and i have checked it by my self, that girl has been kicked out of yeva4u and here profile has been deleted today
but to be safe, I'm going to sent the letters from the director to that lawyer, and in mine best intrest, i think it is best if i receive the money, that she go first by the lawyer too, so he can also see and count if she sends the money

[bruttus]

i received just mine first payment thru western union from that local agency in Zaporozhye

still, I'm hoping for a refunds from Mila, because of waisting mine time and money with that 1 girl that had a boyfriend
i think that I'm in mine right to ask it and receive that back

[Stirlitz]

Getting refunded by scammers is something new or am I mistaken?

[Stirlitz]

still, I'm hoping for a refunds from Mila, because of waisting mine time and money with that 1 girl that had a boyfriend
i think that I'm in mine right to ask it and receive that back

I didn’t realize it was Mila L. from Harkov. I know her. She is an honest person. I've found out about this situation and it turns out that that girl met her boyfriend (who she eventually married) AFTER she had met you. So there is no fault on their (Mila and the girl) part. I cannot imagine Mila introducing a customer to an engaged lady or a girl who has a boyfriend and it is known. It would be unprofessional but Mila knows better than do that, I am sure. So while I understand your frustration, you should stop indiscriminately blaming everyone around for your failures and be more positive. Yes, there are scammers out there but people like Mila are exactly there to help you avoid them, not to scam you.

[bruttus]

if you found that Mila is honest, well, i can give you 2 other members that have clients that the same thing that i had
that genuine girl met this guy in February 2012
I met that girl in 28th june 2012
I knew about that guy when i was there, because i did some research, but because that genuine girl was asking to Mila allot to meet me, and did everything to keep mine attention to here, and because i believed that she had not made an choice, i went go with it
yes, i believe that Mila was knowing about the relationship with that guy, and she let me believe that this girl was genuine towards me
a reall genuine girl, don't visit a other guy's country after 1 month after mine leaving from Kharkov and lie about these things
and the fact, to me Mila told me, when i reacted if that genuine girl still wants a relationship with me, while she  claimed on this forum that it was a friendly meeting
the genuine girl told me that she was in love to that guy, and that i had to forgive here and that was 2 weeks later when i came home ( i had to see that when she was writting lovelpoems on there facebookprofile)
a couple day's later i received a letter from that genuine girl, after i talked with Mila, that she wanted to talk with me and told me that this guy was just a friend, and nothing more
if i didn't found out, i was still paying for transluationcost tru skype or english lessons

so yes, i believe that mila lead an orgenised scam, its so perfect that you don't see it, she is learning from the men that has been scammend, for what to not to do

but thats your opinion, not mine, but atleast i know some people that had the same experience than i had
and is that guy married with that genuine girl, i wish them the best, but i have the feeling that i waisted mine time and money by that agency

[bruttus]

I didn’t realize it was Mila L. from Harkov. I know her. She is an honest person. I've found out about this situation and it turns out that that girl met her boyfriend (who she eventually married) AFTER she had met you. So there is no fault on their (Mila and the girl) part. I cannot imagine Mila introducing a customer to an engaged lady or a girl who has a boyfriend and it is known. It would be unprofessional but Mila knows better than do that, I am sure.

I do hope that you didn't listens to Mila alone, because wel, ask Jack and Eduard. Maybe, they will tell you things from Mila from what they have heard from there clients that have used Mila here services
boy, now i read it good, but AFTER mine visit she met that guy, thats not true

[Stirlitz]

that genuine girl met this guy in February 2012
I met that girl in 28th june 2012

Met is not married. Do you feel the difference? A girl can meet many, many guys before she marries one of them. She did not choose you, that’s it.
 

yes, i believe that Mila was knowing about the relationship with that guy, and she let me believe that this girl was genuine towards me

I don’t believe so. Mila is not a matchmaking agency. She is a guide and interpreter. If she can sometimes introduce you to some women does not make her a matchmaker who is responsible for who dates who, who likes who, etc.
 

a reall genuine girl, don't visit a other guy's country after 1 month after mine leaving from Kharkov and lie about these things

Why? It happens. There is nothing wrong about it. Unless you meant 'before' rather than 'after'?
 

the genuine girl told me that she was in love to that guy, and that i had to forgive here and that was 2 weeks later when i came home

You see, boy-girl relationship is a very tricky and diverse thing. No one can guarantee you anything, even the person oneself, let alone a third person.
A girl can meet many guys but who she eventually chooses is a question, and it is silly to demand anything or make assumptions how it should be. In your opinion it should be in 20 years, for a girl 2 weeks (or 2 minutes) is enough to decide.
Mila would not have introduced you to a girl who was engaged/married, I am positive of that. And she cannot be responsible for what’s on the girl’s mind (especially as the girl herself may change her mind in a few seconds). Mila only knows if a girl is looking and still single. It’s simple.
Man, you have to accept the reality and stop blaming everyone around and finding fault with everything. 

[bruttus]

i tell you this stirliz, there are other people that have the same experience with Mila, and i have given you the names already
so, what you think, its not in mine intrest , you wants to believe Mila, fine, thats youre business, not mine
or did she payed you, because after all these months you come over, i never seen you before, and you are telling me that i lie

ask others first, what there experience is with Mila, i dare you, instead of attacking me, or are you payd by Mila???


btw, i don't mind that she went to see that other guy, but she and mila lied about it, and i had to find out via facebook; and still i was told that i lie by here
i know what i have seen, and some people really had to convince me that i was scammed by Mila, but i do know more then enough about you stirlitz

[bruttus]

FP,  bruttus was very honest and open with what was going on.   bruttus did not realize he was being scammed even during the middle of the scam.  Some of the things bruttus told me I could not believe.

I am not talking about anything bruttus is referencing today. We are talking about something that happened maybe 5-6 months ago.  Can you believe having to pay $75 a day, everyday, for a driver in Kharkov?  With Kharkov's efficient metro, with Kharkov's very reasonable taxi rates, with so much of everything we do and see in Kharkov refined to a relatively small footprint, can you imagine how much driving one would have to do to warrant a $75 a day driver fee?

bruttus did not write me at first, I wrote him when I saw some things not adding up.  bruttus did not want to believe he was being scammed, was in denial, and was not until sometime later he realized he had been had.  I asked bruttus questions, many questions. Their is a lot he did not write about on the forum.  bruttus was good enough to answer my questions.   Once bruttus had realized he had been scammed his main concern was not for himself but for others.  And I DO know of others who had been scammed in the same manner.  I told bruttus I would address his experience, things done to him during his scam, etc.  But for many reasons, mostly medical, I was not able to find the time to post.

And FP their were some cheap shots taken at bruttus during this time. Most the cheap shots as I recall were taken by what we might consider some of the more experienced old timers around here.  I have noticed it's not so often that new guys, guy's with not so much experience, are taking the cheap shots.

2stirliz
maybe you take your time with reading from others

[Stirlitz]

I have been in this board since it was established. Even before, I helped many members of RWG, a precursor to this board, as a guide, in 2004-2005. I just don’t often post here. No I am not paid by Mila. Your making such insulting remarks demonstrates that something is wrong with you. I never said you were lying nor was I attacking you, just trying to point out your wrong assumptions. But I can see now that you are not a normal person who can have a good discussion so I will stop talking to you now.

[ML]

I've found out about this situation and it turns out that that girl met her boyfriend (who she eventually married) AFTER she had met you.

Quote from: bruttus on Today at 06:54:54 AM<blockquote>that genuine girl met this guy in February 2012
I met that girl in 28th june 2012 </blockquote>

Met is not married. Do you feel the difference?

So which story are you going with Stirlitz ???

[bruttus]

So which story are you going with Stirlitz ???

nothing at all, don't know him, and have no intrest in him, not worth of mine time
but the only thing is, what i want to say
met is not married, thats true, but she met him in february 2012, i met that girl in june 2012 via Mila, and some dates with here, and now, she's going to marry, or is married now in 2013 with that guy that she had met by Mila
so afterword, yeah, i feel that i waisted mine time with a nongenuine girl, and Mila knew that
It was Mila who tolled me that this girl was asking to meet me, almost everyday too Mila, so yeah, Mila knew that this girl wasn't honnest

[CDW]

Met is not married. Do you feel the difference? A girl can meet many, many guys before she marries one of them. She did not choose you, that’s it.

Would you if you were in his shoes?  I can understand how he felt, but you, Stirlitz cannot.  Maybe it is your habit to steal other men's girlfriends

[Faux Pas]

i tell you this stirliz, there are other people that have the same experience with Mila, and i have given you the names already
so, what you think, its not in mine intrest , you wants to believe Mila, fine, thats youre business, not mine
or did she payed you, because after all these months you come over, i never seen you before, and you are telling me that i lie

ask others first, what there experience is with Mila, i dare you, instead of attacking me, or are you payd by Mila???


btw, i don't mind that she went to see that other guy, but she and mila lied about it, and i had to find out via facebook; and still i was told that i lie by here
i know what i have seen, and some people really had to convince me that i was scammed by Mila, but i do know more then enough about you stirlitz

Some guys can't take no for an answer and choose denial instead.

Mila, while I have never used her services, has had many happy satisfied customers on this forum over the years and has enjoyed a good reputation with those that have used her. bruttus and maybe one other IIRC was not satisfied with her. c'est la vie. Can't please all the people all the time.

References to statements made by Ed or Jack should be taken with a grain of salt.

[Chelseaboy]

Glad to see you're getting money back from the scam agency in Zaporozhye bruttus.
 
It seems you've proved a few "experts" on here wrong,the ones who said you'd be wasting your time and you should just accept being scammed for money .
   
 

[bruttus]

thanks, i'm still searching how whippe out the name of the person that has sended to me and mine name + how to post it here, as proof that i'm not joking
they made a copy, what i have asked and they had to sent it to the lawyer
why i still use the lawyer, so there can be no misunderstandings with the money that has been sent and how much money that they have to sent to me
and for a fact, according to mine lawyer, because they started to pay me, this can been seen as that they are guilty for what they did, and on the moment when they refuse to pay, it can be used as proof, so yes, i'm covering myself up

but only the main scammer don't wants to resub me, so, by next week, the case for court can be reopend again, but only to that scammer, yeva4u is already resubing me

[bruttus]

this is the copy of the moneytransfer
i made the person and mine name black
whille it was agreed 250 USD/month, i think that they didn't thought that they had to pay extra cost to sending the money tru western union

[Chelseaboy]

No,the scamming Ukraine agencies and their scamming girls are used to receiving money through Western Union,not paying it out,so they wouldn't have realised a charge is incurred .

[Stirlitz]

Would you if you were in his shoes?  I can understand how he felt, but you, Stirlitz cannot.  Maybe it is your habit to steal other men's girlfriends

Maybe it is your habit to write silly things about people?

[bruttus]

i'm gonna try to explain it easyer, maybe you understand it a bit better stirlitz

i understand your side also, but try it to see on the other side
- If this genuine lady met here love already BEFORE i came to Kharkov, why say Mila to me, that this genuine lady was asking after me allot, and when she could see me again
- in total i spended 7 dates with that genuine lady, where in the last weekend, we saw each other from noon until evening, so in those day's why didn't that genuine lady tell to me that she wasn't intrested in me (well, the second lady, who was more beautifuller and older, told that after the first date to Mila), so i could looking further
-From the 6 or 8 profiles from "genuine lady's" there where only 2 older then 28y, the rest was younger then 25y, + that 1 genuine lady was between those profiles that i have received from Mila, i chose the 2 older lady's, and 1 lady from 24y, to meet
the lady from 24y old, i never seen, but i saw that genuine lady from 21y old that i didn't chose to meet.
Now, watch out stirlitz, i wish that genuine girl the best with that guy, but what i don't understand, is WHY Mila let me meet a lady, IF she knews that this lady had made here choice, or WHY spended that genuine lady 7 dates with me, if she was going to that guy's country couple weeks later, and me in the unknowing and letting me pay for skype to talk and i almost was ready to sent Mila money for that genuine girl english lessons, money for a b-daygift and again money for skype
Wouldn't it not be more serieus that this girl after 1 or 2 dates tell to me, that she wasn't intrested, so nothing harm was done, and we went further
Mila knew what here genuine lady was doing, but why was she not honest to me or why didn't Mila told to me that i have to search further, with here help, i didn't had to know the reason back then, but atleast it was honest in it

[Faux Pas]

i'm gonna try to explain it easyer, maybe you understand it a bit better stirlitz

i understand your side also, but try it to see on the other side
- If this genuine lady met here love already BEFORE i came to Kharkov, why say Mila to me, that this genuine lady was asking after me allot, and when she could see me again
- in total i spended 7 dates with that genuine lady, where in the last weekend, we saw each other from noon until evening, so in those day's why didn't that genuine lady tell to me that she wasn't intrested in me (well, the second lady, who was more beautifuller and older, told that after the first date to Mila), so i could looking further
-From the 6 or 8 profiles from "genuine lady's" there where only 2 older then 28y, the rest was younger then 25y, + that 1 genuine lady was between those profiles that i have received from Mila, i chose the 2 older lady's, and 1 lady from 24y, to meet
the lady from 24y old, i never seen, but i saw that genuine lady from 21y old that i didn't chose to meet.
Now, watch out stirlitz, i wish that genuine girl the best with that guy, but what i don't understand, is WHY Mila let me meet a lady, IF she knews that this lady had made here choice, or WHY spended that genuine lady 7 dates with me, if she was going to that guy's country couple weeks later, and me in the unknowing and letting me pay for skype to talk and i almost was ready to sent Mila money for that genuine girl english lessons, money for a b-daygift and again money for skype
Wouldn't it not be more serieus that this girl after 1 or 2 dates tell to me, that she wasn't intrested, so nothing harm was done, and we went further
Mila knew what here genuine lady was doing, but why was she not honest to me or why didn't Mila told to me that i have to search further, with here help, i didn't had to know the reason back then, but atleast it was honest in it

The possibilities are endless of who knew what, why, where, when or how. None of that matters. What matters is that you dated the woman 7 times. You spent near the whole day with her you said on your last day. It was YOU bruttus that failed to win her over. Mila, yeva or nobody else is your pimp. It isn't India where your marriage was arranged, was it? At the end of the day, the woman choose dude over you. That is really what's chapping your ass, isn't it? All is fair in love and war bruttus, move on guy and quit blaming others for your own failures.

[Mila]

 Dear Fillip, I am so tired of all that nonsense. We are all tired, it is really annoying. I will explain last time, as maybe some members didn't read what I posted earlier.
 
I do my best to help people and you are not exception.
 
The problem is in you and I will explain why:
 
Before you came, you were scared to death of dating foreign ladies, or maybe even ladies in general. I understand you had bad experience before you met me. But you were so scared and frightened that you couldn't even be a man while dating a girl. You were like a child.
-“Fillip, tell something about yourself?" A lady asked you? “You say: “what will I tell; I am boring and not interesting guy. - After saying that, you hoped to be with her? I tried to help you all the time; so you don't look so silly in lady's eyes. But, it was impossible to hide, as it was evident.
It is only a small example. There were many cases like that.
 
You had all chances to be with her. She is a nice girl; I know that, she is a genuine girl, who was looking for the right man to be with. I am sorry, you lost and it is your business and not mine. Be a man and take it and admit it.



Do you remember how I cared about you and bought you some food when you had nothing to eat? You do! You never mention before, as you are a weak person, not even a man! You are a looser and it is true!


You know, I am happy she picked another guy. She is really happy with him and they are going to have a wedding soon. I have one more success story and it is the best reward for my hard work, especially dealing with people like you. Luckily, most of my clients are nice people and really appreciate my help.
I will continue helping people, bringing people together and watching them having babies. It is my duty in this life and I do it with pleasure!


Here is my advise-stop bad mouthing here and do something with your life, as it is very short and you are wasting hours and hours on line. It is not worth it. Live your life, find a woman, marry her, have babies and when you decide to blame somebody again, think about changing something about yourself first!
Good luck!
 

[Patagonie]

i'm gonna try to explain it easyer, maybe you understand it a bit better stirlitz

i understand your side also, but try it to see on the other side
- If this genuine lady met here love already BEFORE i came to Kharkov, why say Mila to me, that this genuine lady was asking after me allot, and when she could see me again
- in total i spended 7 dates with that genuine lady, where in the last weekend, we saw each other from noon until evening, so in those day's why didn't that genuine lady tell to me that she wasn't intrested in me (well, the second lady, who was more beautifuller and older, told that after the first date to Mila), so i could looking further
-From the 6 or 8 profiles from "genuine lady's" there where only 2 older then 28y, the rest was younger then 25y, + that 1 genuine lady was between those profiles that i have received from Mila, i chose the 2 older lady's, and 1 lady from 24y, to meet
the lady from 24y old, i never seen, but i saw that genuine lady from 21y old that i didn't chose to meet.
Now, watch out stirlitz, i wish that genuine girl the best with that guy, but what i don't understand, is WHY Mila let me meet a lady, IF she knews that this lady had made here choice, or WHY spended that genuine lady 7 dates with me, if she was going to that guy's country couple weeks later, and me in the unknowing and letting me pay for skype to talk and i almost was ready to sent Mila money for that genuine girl english lessons, money for a b-daygift and again money for skype
Wouldn't it not be more serieus that this girl after 1 or 2 dates tell to me, that she wasn't intrested, so nothing harm was done, and we went further
Mila knew what here genuine lady was doing, but why was she not honest to me or why didn't Mila told to me that i have to search further, with here help, i didn't had to know the reason back then, but atleast it was honest in it

On this one fellow i would advice you to let it go. I am with Faux pas on this.
Minds of a girl are changing, you have not win her during your time and she sticked on her travel.
About Mila, the thing to do is to ask her a profile, with photo (and age), before meeting, so you can refuse the appointement if it doesn't please you.
I have spent too much time with girls (S, uppercase, plural) to know that spending time with a girl doesn't mean that you capture her. In the best case you have been unlicky and you arrived in the wrong timing, it happened to me also.

[bruttus]

true, and on the same day i repayd you, was waiting on mine paycheck that came 2 days to late

and yeah, be happy, but i have still mine questions, that mila let me meet a genuine girl that had already made here decision and still let me pay for everything
Its not me that have asked to come to that genuine girl and celebrate mine b-day, that was you mila that told me
how many times you told me that the genuine girl wanted to meet me, and when i came back home, i was not importante
when i did a complain to mila, i was told that that she was going to look if she was still intrested in a relationship

Mila, i didn't take any advantage from someone and drinking the wholle day coctails on someone else expencives and asking money for it, whille i haven't seen you the wholle time
you can put your successtory on a place where the sun never shines, because i know that you used me for scamming me, and it would be no more then fair that you repay me back, because you knew that whille i was there to meet a genuine girl, that i was looking for someone, and you knew how scared i was that i was being fooled again, and you have taken an advantage from it
i waisted mine time and mine money for something, that there wasn't to begin at
you did everything to earn mine trust, and used it for own purposes

and still whille some people on this forum stick there heads in the sand, think about this
if you find it is normal, that when a genuine girl meets a guy before you meet that girl, you have a couple date's with this girl, and she gives you the feeling that she really likes you, and after you leave to go home, and suddenly see that the genuine girl go to a other country, from the previeus guy whille you still send money for contact, english lessons, then don't you ask some questions about it
especially when you are asking questions, and been trown away as a peace off.....

to the conclussion, yeah i feel used, and i feel that i waisted mine time and money
when you have seen how i discoverd it, you give me right

[ML]

You had all chances to be with her. She is a nice girl; I know that, she is a genuine girl, who was looking for the right man to be with. I am sorry, you lost and it is your business and not mine. Be a man and take it and admit it.

Look, none of us know what really happened, so we have to go with what is written.

Mila, Stirlitz and some  guys here are saying to Bruttus;  the gal chose  another man, you just lost so just get over it.

Yes, if the gal simply chose another man, and there were no other facts involved, I would certainly agree with what others have written.

But read again what Bruttus wrote, and view it in the context of how Mila described what a loser she knew him to be from the beginning.

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From Bruttus:  "that genuine girl met this guy in February 2012
I met that girl in 28th june 2012
I knew about that guy when i was there, because i did some research, but because that genuine girl was asking to Mila allot to meet me, and did everything to keep mine attention to here, and because i believed that she had not made an choice, i went go with it yes, i believe that Mila was knowing about the relationship with that guy, and she let me believe that this girl was genuine towards me a real genuine girl, don't visit a other guy's country after 1 month after mine leaving from Kharkov and lie about these things
and the fact, to me Mila told me, when i reacted if that genuine girl still wants a relationship with me, while she  claimed on this forum that it was a friendly meeting
the genuine girl told me that she was in love to that guy, and that i had to forgive here and that was 2 weeks later when i came home ( i had to see that when she was writting lovelpoems on there facebookprofile)
a couple day's later i received a letter from that genuine girl, after I talked with Mila, that she wanted to talk with me and told me that this guy was just a friend, and nothing more

if I didn't found out, I was still paying for translation cost through skype or English lessons

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It's very easy to just attack Bruttus in a general sense for being naive or whatever;

but better to look at the individual issues (as presented by him) and address those issues.

As I understand it . . . had he not determined himself that the relationship was not real . . . he would have continued to pay SOMEONE for translation and English lessons.

Would it be to the same person who declared him a loser from the beginning?

Let's hear comments on that issue.