scammed by yeva4u

[Stirlitz]

IMHO, bruttus should apologize to both the woman and to Mila for opening this thread and attempting to spread falsehoods about them. I have no dog in this hunt but, this is the very same thing mentioned in other recent threads where jilted men go to scam lists and post pics and women of the ones who dumped them claiming scam.

After bruttus suggested that Mila was paying me for my comments in this thread I won’t be surprised if he says something like this about you.
What I can say for sure, if Mila wanted to scam guys like bruttus she could do it very easily and with much less trouble as she is having now. It is not that people like Mila cannot scam. The matter is they won’t. It is probably hard to understand for bruttus but Mila could have had all his money and he would not have realized what was going on. But professional service providers are different from scammers and never go to their level.

[bruttus]

@mi es
i understand your post, but would you find it a nuisance that i went bowling with you, going to a indoor swimpool and a day later sun badding in one of other river, drinking cocktails the whole day, all on the expenses of me

and on your other question
in September, after i saw the photo's and asking info

on your other question about that Mila knew that she was visiting that other guy
i believe that Mila knew that
there had to be an arrangement because that lady don't speak English

The story is so hard to follow just because bruttus does not write very good in English.

 Mila does claim the woman's marriage is one of her success stories.....which would make one believe she set them up.

 The woman told bruttus she liked another guy. Bruttus complained to Mila about this. The next day the woman changed her mind and wanted to  to spend time with bruttus. The only thing that happened after this woman told bruttus she did not want him and the next day when she wanted him......was that bruttus believes Mila had a talk with this woman and caused the woman to then agree to see him. (for whatever reason)

Thats what I have understood so far. His beef is not so much with this woman,but rather with Mila. He can correct me if I am wrong.

Mine beef is indeed with Mila, not with gal

[mies]

@mi es
i understand your post, but would you find it a nuisance that i went bowling with you, going to a indoor swimpool and a day later sun badding in one of other river, drinking cocktails the whole day, all on the expenses of me

Yes, I would find any of the above activities a huge nuisance if I didn't like the person. For me the presence of the person whom I do not like causes physical discomfort: I can get a headache, nausea, etc. if I stay with such person longer than 15 minutes. If this other person likes me and actively seeks my attention - I practically start hating them for being needy and annoying. To think that I would somehow enjoy the swimming pool or bowling with such person just because they paid the entry fee to the pool of bowling club - would be ridiculous. On my day off I want to relax, and spend it with people whom I like.
Also, I don't think sunbathing in June-July is an expensive activity in Ukraine. You can do it practically anywhere for free.

How much did you spend on the day of bowling-swimming-sunbathing? Was it a large amount? Were cocktails expensive?

I understand your point about Mila knowing about another guy because she was doing the translation. I think, since you were her client, and you were paying to her, she should have told you this upfront. When/at what point did she tell you or admitted that your girl was seeing another man? Some people wrote in this thread that Mila mentioned another guy in the very beginning. Is it true?

[bruttus]

How much did you spend on the day of bowling-swimming-sunbathing? Was it a large amount? Were cocktails expensive?

Bowling, i think it was a normal payment, eating pizzeria, and then to the bowling ally

indoorswimming, was the most expensive day,
the activity's wasn't expencive, but  with Mila's cost it was the most expencive day

the coctails weren't expencive, but its a principe
i don't mind that they are drinking coctails on mine expencives, but not the whole day and because of that, i had to recharge mine card for it, even when i thought that i put enough money

I understand your point about Mila knowing about another guy because she was doing the translation. I think, since you were her client, and you were paying to her, she should have told you this upfront. When/at what point did she tell you or admitted that your girl was seeing another man? Some people wrote in this thread that Mila mentioned another guy in the very beginning. Is it true?

nope, she did not, and she still not said that to me when i was asking info about it when i found out or when that genuine girl told me that she likes that other guy
according to Mila, it was mine fould

If Mila told me that when i did the complain that this genuine lady had made here choice, then it was good enough for me, and i moved on, but she denied it, and thats why i ask a refund from only that genuine lady back, not from the other lady's that Mila has introduced me

[Patagonie]

Excuse me to ask you probably a stupid question,
but if the girl had been capable to get married or fiancee with a foreigner, correct ?
Why need you to spent all the week with an interpreter ?
Finally have got some time ALONE with the lady Bruttus ?
Was it possible to you to assess her english level, or was it none ?

[Hammer2722]

Excuse me to ask you probably a stupid question,
but if the girl had been capable to get married or fiancee with a foreigner, correct ?
Why need you to spent all the week with an interpreter ?
Finally have got some time ALONE with the lady Bruttus ?
Was it possible to you to assess her english level, or was it none ?

another question is if she was unable to speak English, How was she able to communicate with the other guy when she visited him in Mexico?

[ML]

another question is if she was unable to speak English, How was she able to communicate with the other guy when she visited him in Mexico?

Well duhhh !!!  They spoke in Spanish.   

[Hammer2722]

Well duhhh !!!  They spoke in Spanish.   

 
I would certainly hope so!!!! Or maybe Mila tagged along????

[mies]

 
I would certainly hope so!!!! Or maybe Mila tagged along????

It looks to me that now this girl's English isn't that bad. I think her English may have been also at OK level 6 months ago.  In any case, I do not think questions should be directed at the girl - the heart wants what it wants, but I tend to agree with Bruttus when he raises questions about Mila's services.

[Faux Pas]

It looks to me that now this girl's English isn't that bad. I think her English may have been also at OK level 6 months ago.  In any case, I do not think questions should be directed at the girl - the heart wants what it wants, but I tend to agree with Bruttus when he raises questions about Mila's services.

mies I don't follow. Mila isn't a matchmaker but she did set bruttus up with this woman. Mila provided what was agreed to. His Girl Friday on the ground, terp services helped with logistics. How is it her fault bruttus couldn't win the woman over? bruttus hasn't expounded on that at all other than it's Mila's fault with no explanation. The reasons he gives point to the problem being himself. Are you suggesting she over charged him? He hasn't yet he eludes that he shouldn't have been charged at all

[mies]

mies I don't follow. Mila isn't a matchmaker but she did set bruttus up with this woman. Mila provided what was agreed to. His Girl Friday on the ground, terp services helped with logistics. How is it her fault bruttus couldn't win the woman over? bruttus hasn't expounded on that at all other than it's Mila's fault with no explanation. The reasons he gives point to the problem being himself. Are you suggesting she over charged him? He hasn't yet he eludes that he shouldn't have been charged at all   

It's not the point of winning the girl. The girl wasn't sure which guy to pick. Somehow i think that Bruttus would be favored by her parents because Ukrainians/russians are generally racist, and they would always choose a white Belg over the tan Mexican. Unless Mexican is (quite/very rich), or unless girl picked him despite her parents' reasoning. Or unless the Belg is indecisive and it's not clear whether he'd ever propose, and the Mexican guy moves fast and there is good chemistry with him. I do think that the girl was choosing between the two, and she was genuinely interested to get to know Bruttus at least a bit.  I also think that Mila should have told Bruttus "I am also translating for this girl and the other guy" or "at the moment she isn't dating anyone exclusively, and she continues corresponding with other men." If the girl didn't speak English - didn't Mila help her to correspond with the Mexican? If the girl did speak English, then Mila offered to Bruttus redundant services.
I imagine it could have happened like this one: the girl told Mila that she has trouble understanding Bruttus's accent. Mila said "I'll translate for you so you don't need to speak English, just relax." I do not think the girl benefited from having an interpreter (except for she always had a chaperone on the date (Mila) who prevented things from developing too romantically too fast.) Mila, on the other hand, did benefit from every hour of her translation services. Didn't she?  Again, since Bruttus was her client - she should have either told him about the other guy (and start looking for another girl for Bruttus), or didn't push her translation services to him. Again, I am speculating here. I don't know whether Bruttus asked for her help, or she suggested her help and Bruttus felt it would be safer to have her tag along on a date. Given his previous experience with dating in Ukraine, maybe he felt more secure having someone "reliable" with him. He though since he paid Mila, she should be this reliable person, and should warn him of any suspicions, doubts, etc, and keep him well informed. Mila viewed her responsibilities and "contractual obligations" differently. It looks like she only was offering translation services, and as any entrepreneur, tried to get as many hours of translation work as possible. From every one of her clients: Bruttus, and the Mexican guy. She didn't feel she needed to keep Bruttus informed. This is where the conflict stems from. I do not think this is scam, I think this is a general business approach. Bruttus thought Mila would keep his best interests, Mila didn't think she had to do it.
Whom the girl chose in the end is rather irrelevant.

And btw, when Bruttus was going to use Mila's services, I kind of suggested to him (gently, in a private corrspondence) that maybe he 'd do better without any "professional help," but he wanted assurance and was eager to pay for it. Now he is upset that he paid for what he thought was assurance, and it turned out that he paid for services that he didn't really needed that much. Again, it doesn't matter whom the girl chose, her choice is not the point in this argument. Although, had she chosen Bruttus, maybe/probably he would be happy in his relationship and would think the money spent on Mila's help were well spent.

[ML]

Perhaps more damming is idea that Mila set Bruttus up to pay for English lessons for the gal to be started AFTER he left Kharkiv as well as continuing Skype translation services; and Bruttus only stopped payment when he found out, on his own, that the gal had chosen someone else.

Before setting up payment for these English lessons, Bruttus had some suspicion that the girl had lost interest in him.  He asked Mila about  this, and she told him it was not true and it was OK for Bruttus to pay  for the future English lessons.

And Mila was quoted somewhere as saying the match between the gal and the other guy was one of her major accomplishments (or some such words), so she certainly knew exactly what was going on.

As Bruttus has already stated:  IT IS NOT ABOUT THE GAL CHOOSING ANOTHER GUY.

And I would be interested in knowing what actions have been taken, if any, to return the silver bracelet once belonging to his grandmother.  Seems that is the least that could be done by Mila and the gal.  True, it can be claimed that Mila is not responsible for this; but it would go a long way toward clearing some of this up.

[calmissile]

Mies and ML,
You seem to have condensed this saga rather accurately.  Nice to not have to read through pages of incremental details.  Thanks

[Muzh]

It's not the point of winning the girl. The girl wasn't sure which guy to pick. Somehow i think that Bruttus would be favored by her parents because Ukrainians/russians are generally racist, and they would always choose a white Belg over the tan Mexican. Unless Mexican is (quite/very rich), or unless girl picked him despite her parents' reasoning.

Mies, you'd be surprised how many lily-white skin, blue-eyed Mexicans are there in country.

Please, don't stereotype.

[Patagonie]

mies I don't follow. Mila isn't a matchmaker but she did set bruttus up with this woman. Mila provided what was agreed to. His Girl Friday on the ground, terp services helped with logistics. How is it her fault bruttus couldn't win the woman over? bruttus hasn't expounded on that at all other than it's Mila's fault with no explanation. The reasons he gives point to the problem being himself. Are you suggesting she over charged him? He hasn't yet he eludes that he shouldn't have been charged at all

Faux pas, as she brings ladies she picsk up in her adress book, and choices them by her own, we can say that she is a matchmaker.
The question, because i haven't memorize ALL details of the story, did this girl was first known by Bruttus or not.

[Patagonie]

It's not the point of winning the girl. The girl wasn't sure which guy to pick. Somehow i think that Bruttus would be favored by her parents because Ukrainians/russians are generally racist, and they would always choose a white Belg over the tan Mexican. Unless Mexican is (quite/very rich), or unless girl picked him despite her parents' reasoning. Or unless the Belg is indecisive and it's not clear whether he'd ever propose, and the Mexican guy moves fast and there is good chemistry with him. I do think that the girl was choosing between the two, and she was genuinely interested to get to know Bruttus at least a bit.  I also think that Mila should have told Bruttus "I am also translating for this girl and the other guy" or "at the moment she isn't dating anyone exclusively, and she continues corresponding with other men." If the girl didn't speak English - didn't Mila help her to correspond with the Mexican? If the girl did speak English, then Mila offered to Bruttus redundant services.
I imagine it could have happened like this one: the girl told Mila that she has trouble understanding Bruttus's accent. Mila said "I'll translate for you so you don't need to speak English, just relax." I do not think the girl benefited from having an interpreter (except for she always had a chaperone on the date (Mila) who prevented things from developing too romantically too fast.) Mila, on the other hand, did benefit from every hour of her translation services. Didn't she?  Again, since Bruttus was her client - she should have either told him about the other guy (and start looking for another girl for Bruttus), or didn't push her translation services to him. Again, I am speculating here. I don't know whether Bruttus asked for her help, or she suggested her help and Bruttus felt it would be safer to have her tag along on a date. Given his previous experience with dating in Ukraine, maybe he felt more secure having someone "reliable" with him. He though since he paid Mila, she should be this reliable person, and should warn him of any suspicions, doubts, etc, and keep him well informed. Mila viewed her responsibilities and "contractual obligations" differently. It looks like she only was offering translation services, and as any entrepreneur, tried to get as many hours of translation work as possible. From every one of her clients: Bruttus, and the Mexican guy. She didn't feel she needed to keep Bruttus informed. This is where the conflict stems from. I do not think this is scam, I think this is a general business approach. Bruttus thought Mila would keep his best interests, Mila didn't think she had to do it.
Whom the girl chose in the end is rather irrelevant.

And btw, when Bruttus was going to use Mila's services, I kind of suggested to him (gently, in a private corrspondence) that maybe he 'd do better without any "professional help," but he wanted assurance and was eager to pay for it. Now he is upset that he paid for what he thought was assurance, and it turned out that he paid for services that he didn't really needed that much. Again, it doesn't matter whom the girl chose, her choice is not the point in this argument. Although, had she chosen Bruttus, maybe/probably he would be happy in his relationship and would think the money spent on Mila's help were well spent.

Well said

[YoungBuck]

Ukrainians/russians are generally racist, and they would always choose a white Belg over the tan Mexican. Unless Mexican is (quite/very rich), or unless girl picked him despite her parents' reasoning. Or unless the Belg is indecisive and it's not clear whether he'd ever propose, and the Mexican guy moves fast and there is good chemistry with him.

Ouch! Whatever happened to tall, dark and handsome?

But judging from the posts, I have never met a Mexican that would whine in public so much as Bruttus has. Totally unmanly behavior to carry this whine-a-thon on for almost 20 pages and 12 months.

Culturally, I think Mexican men are too macho to publicly whine about being duped. Perhaps our dear Ukrainian girl chose him because she found traces of FSU machismo and Latin lover sensuality that is clearly missing in Bruttus?

[Muzh]

Ouch! Whatever happened to tall, dark and handsome?

But judging from the posts, I have never met a Mexican that would whine in public so much as Bruttus has. Totally unmanly behavior to carry this whine-a-thon on for almost 20 pages and 12 months.

Culturally, I think Mexican men are too macho to publicly whine about being duped. Perhaps our dear Ukrainian girl chose him because she found traces of FSU machismo and Latin lover sensuality that is clearly missing in Bruttus?

LMFAO

Yo da man!!

[Faux Pas]

It's not the point of winning the girl. The girl wasn't sure which guy to pick. Somehow i think that Bruttus would be favored by her parents because Ukrainians/russians are generally racist, and they would always choose a white Belg over the tan Mexican. Unless Mexican is (quite/very rich), or unless girl picked him despite her parents' reasoning. Or unless the Belg is indecisive and it's not clear whether he'd ever propose, and the Mexican guy moves fast and there is good chemistry with him. I do think that the girl was choosing between the two, and she was genuinely interested to get to know Bruttus at least a bit.  I also think that Mila should have told Bruttus "I am also translating for this girl and the other guy" or "at the moment she isn't dating anyone exclusively, and she continues corresponding with other men." If the girl didn't speak English - didn't Mila help her to correspond with the Mexican? If the girl did speak English, then Mila offered to Bruttus redundant services.
I imagine it could have happened like this one: the girl told Mila that she has trouble understanding Bruttus's accent. Mila said "I'll translate for you so you don't need to speak English, just relax." I do not think the girl benefited from having an interpreter (except for she always had a chaperone on the date (Mila) who prevented things from developing too romantically too fast.) Mila, on the other hand, did benefit from every hour of her translation services. Didn't she?  Again, since Bruttus was her client - she should have either told him about the other guy (and start looking for another girl for Bruttus), or didn't push her translation services to him. Again, I am speculating here. I don't know whether Bruttus asked for her help, or she suggested her help and Bruttus felt it would be safer to have her tag along on a date. Given his previous experience with dating in Ukraine, maybe he felt more secure having someone "reliable" with him. He though since he paid Mila, she should be this reliable person, and should warn him of any suspicions, doubts, etc, and keep him well informed. Mila viewed her responsibilities and "contractual obligations" differently. It looks like she only was offering translation services, and as any entrepreneur, tried to get as many hours of translation work as possible. From every one of her clients: Bruttus, and the Mexican guy. She didn't feel she needed to keep Bruttus informed. This is where the conflict stems from. I do not think this is scam, I think this is a general business approach. Bruttus thought Mila would keep his best interests, Mila didn't think she had to do it.
Whom the girl chose in the end is rather irrelevant.

And btw, when Bruttus was going to use Mila's services, I kind of suggested to him (gently, in a private corrspondence) that maybe he 'd do better without any "professional help," but he wanted assurance and was eager to pay for it. Now he is upset that he paid for what he thought was assurance, and it turned out that he paid for services that he didn't really needed that much. Again, it doesn't matter whom the girl chose, her choice is not the point in this argument. Although, had she chosen Bruttus, maybe/probably he would be happy in his relationship and would think the money spent on Mila's help were well spent.

mies, your speculation really is way out there on a limb. Who the woman's parents might choose for the daughter really isn't at issue here is it? bruttus has made claim that Mila scammed him. bruttus has offered nothing to indicate that was in fact the case. He paid Mila for her services on skype and then her services on the ground in UA. The way I've gotten it is $15 bucks an hour for translation. Why would she be held to bruttus's interest and confidence?  What is it she must do to complete her agreement to translate for $15 bucks an hour? Translate and well beyond? Where is a scam? Sorry, I just ain't seeing it. Bowling, frolicking at the beach and cocktail with a date and translator at $15 an hour isn't even in the same zip code as a scam

[Faux Pas]

Mies and ML,
You seem to have condensed this saga rather accurately.  Nice to not have to read through pages of incremental details.  Thanks

I dumber just from reading this post calmissle. You claim it's accurate yet, you haven't read it?

[Faux Pas]

Perhaps more damming is idea that Mila set Bruttus up to pay for English lessons for the gal to be started AFTER he left Kharkiv as well as continuing Skype translation services; and Bruttus only stopped payment when he found out, on his own, that the gal had chosen someone else.

Before setting up payment for these English lessons, Bruttus had some suspicion that the girl had lost interest in him.  He asked Mila about  this, and she told him it was not true and it was OK for Bruttus to pay  for the future English lessons.

And Mila was quoted somewhere as saying the match between the gal and the other guy was one of her major accomplishments (or some such words), so she certainly knew exactly what was going on.

As Bruttus has already stated:  IT IS NOT ABOUT THE GAL CHOOSING ANOTHER GUY.

And I would be interested in knowing what actions have been taken, if any, to return the silver bracelet once belonging to his grandmother.  Seems that is the least that could be done by Mila and the gal.  True, it can be claimed that Mila is not responsible for this; but it would go a long way toward clearing some of this up.

bruttus never paid for English lessons. Please do try to keep up. bruttus wanted to pay for lesson, the girl didn't want bruttus's paid lessons. The girl didn't want his bracelet. The girl didn't want bruttus.

So in your brilliance, it isn't about the girl choosing another guy?   

[Muzh]

I dumber just from reading this post calmissle. You claim it's accurate yet, you haven't read it?

FP, did you used Google translate to read his report? 

Boy, that was a tough read.

[GQBlues]

Anyway...who was Mila giving English lessons to? The gal or Bruttus? If the latter, then I agree with Bruttus. He got scammed! 
 
But seriously, it would be nice for Mila to give us a cameo to help straighten things out.

[Faux Pas]

FP, did you used Google translate to read his report? 

Boy, that was a tough read.

LOL...I would guess it is akin to giving birth.

I've read the thread from it's beginning. Personally, I'm thinking bruttus is a crybaby he didn't get the girl.

[bruttus]

to be honest, i gave Mies the link, and i wanted to let here see why i was upset
the rest i let here decide
If Mies said to me, you over reacted or you lie; etc...., i would say ok, your right, but she didn't, and i hope she understand the situation better then what i try to say

The question, because i haven't memorize ALL details of the story, did this girl was first known by Bruttus or not.

the gal was known by me, but i decided NOT to pick that gal's profile, because of here age
i saw this gal, in mine own suprise, in Kharkov
e]Mila didn't notify me in advance that she has chosen this lady to meet me
the other gal that i have chosen to meet, i have never seen, or neither said Mila why that lady didn't wanted to meet me

Anyway...who was Mila giving English lessons to? The gal or Bruttus? If the latter, then I agree with Bruttus. He got scammed! 
 
But seriously, it would be nice for Mila to give us a cameo to help straighten things out.

the English lessons where for the gal
i speak better then i write (sorry for that)

Excuse me to ask you probably a stupid question,
but if the girl had been capable to get married or fiancee with a foreigner, correct ?
Why need you to spent all the week with an interpreter ?
Finally have got some time ALONE with the lady Bruttus ?
Was it possible to you to assess her english level, or was it none ?

to be honest, i was wondering the same 
all the conversations that i had with that gal, was transluated by Mila
when i was spending some time alone with that lady, like with that indoor swimming pool, it was only English words like good, there, come
no sentences