Ice Cube's Chance in Hell ...

[Faux Pas]

That rings a bell my old friend. Didn't we discuss this thing before, about the soybean vodka I mean. I still hold the same view on soy as before, it's toxic, especially for men which it will make into sissys as it has estrogen properties. But.... enjoy... hehe

 

I don't recall such a conversation but we may have had one. You mean soy vodka will expand my manboobs?    I just don't really drink much vodka unless I am in Russia and then it's too much

[SANDRO43]

You mean soy vodka will expand my manboobs?

Male gynaecomastia ? Reminds me of something from a LONG time ago: http://www.floriani.it/VISTER-eng.htm#ODD .

[Faux Pas]

Male gynaecomastia ? Reminds me of something from a LONG time ago: http://www.floriani.it/VISTER-eng.htm#ODD .

Interesting and quite funny  Did any of those you asked previous ever admit it to you?

[SANDRO43]

Did any of those you asked previous ever admit it to you?

The Vitamin  B12 thing? I didn't ask, that would have been awkward, to say the least - some considered me a potential spy since I reported directly to the local US boss .

I was asking some clarifications about her procedures to the head of the biological quality-control lab in order to translate them more clearly. After a while, she said: "Oh, you want me to change them? OK, I'll do as you wish" - she was under the impression that the 'Voice of America' was offering subtle hints about how to do her job .

[IAmZon]

Oh ... I know this is a very old thread.  I do not recall everything posted in the last 15 pages (thank God), but I do recall a bit of what occurred to me at the time to be "stupid"  advise: somebody suggested that I lay off the women for a while and only then could I be in the proper mentality.  I recall me commenting strongly in the negative.

However, it is precisely what I ended up doing!  Not necessarily by design ... but it did happen.  And after a long while things did, in fact change.

I have thought from time to time that I should re-visit this historic post to make the appropriate acknowledgements.  now I have.

[Trenchcoat]

maybe from a perspective of a foreigner who is a natural "mark" for those women who make a living off the visitors from the West. ML if you became fluent in Russian and lived there for a few years meeting women who don't "hang out" at popular night clubs trying to hook the next mark, I'm sure you would have a different opinion. They have a wonderful sense of humor in Odessa specific to that city only (most famous Soviet time comedians came from Odessa) and a zest for life. Sure there are plenty of criminals and dishonest people but that's why not being an obvious "mark" is important. You have to be able to blend in and meet normal women who work hard, spend time at home with family or friends on weekends and lead a humble but wholesome lifestyle. This is how the women from Odessa that I know are: a lot of fun, very loyal to their husbands (for life) great mothers and wives.


Once you stop being a "Russian bride" hunter you see things differently. I'd say that Kiev is probably the toughest place  for dating especially if you are looking for a very attractive woman. If you are stationed in Odessa you can also meet women from Moldova which is only about an hour drive away. Lots of beautiful women there. Western Ukraine is a good place to look as well. If you must look in Ukraine, I'd probably focus on the Western part if I were you.


But as anywhere you must be very careful who you decide to get serious with. Many women can be very manipulative, they know exactly what to say to push the right buttons and get you to do what they want you to do. I know that you have an eye for really beautiful ones and they can be the most dangerous... Not going to be easy to figure out with the language barrier in the way. So you really have to rely on your 6th sense, Tim. What you see is not always what you get. Really do try to listen to what your subconscious mind is telling you. If it senses something's not right and you are feeling uncomfortable about something do not dismiss it. It's going to be your best and the most reliable indicator of what's what and who's who.


Many women in Ukraine come from a very humble economic background, so their' basic survival instinct is very strong and dominant. Some will do or say anything to get ahead, use you then dump you to get to the next step up. This type of women can be found anywhere, off course, but because of Ukraine's economic conditions this kind of behavior is more common and accepted there than in countries with better economy. This applies to Moldova/Prednestrovye as well.


There is a whole other category of women to stay clear from. Women who come from dysfunctional family background and have psychological issues or psychiatric issues like BPD, Bipolar disorder and even Schizophrenia. They may be well represented among beautiful single women. This may be the reason they are single in the first place.


Like I said, your best friend is going to be your subconscious mind. If something doesn't feel quite right, do not dismiss it as a "cultural difference" thing.

Ok holy thread resurrection here. I've done this as I strayed across this piece of advice from Eduard and it really spoke to me. I wasn't sure of Eduard when I first encountered him on this forum but I think this advice is spot on and a lot of what I have found in Ukraine and some of which I have heard from others.

I think a lot of guys blame themselves on this forum or forum members blame them if things don't work out, but they neglect to think of the situation that a lot of the girls they are meeting come from. There are indeed some real pretty girls out there but many can be difficult to date or even practically undateable because of how they are. I think some women don't even realise that they are losing out by the way they act, others with schizophrenia and other mental health issues may look as pretty as they come but are hopelessly trashed because of it.

[msmob]

Trench, It is amusing to guess what you may have written...

May be you are suggesting that's been  your tactic?

[msmob]

OK, Trench, I took you off ignore...it doesn't work most of the time when you are quoted.

What a surprise...You have 'tried this tactic')))

You do know you could be meeting Russian ladies in Greece, still )

[2tallbill]

No online love affairs at this time. 

online affairs are just pen pals. Until you meet nothing is real.

However, it's pretty clear that I am neither going to meet a boat load of
women, nor visit a handful of women with raised expectations. 

If you do this even remotely correctly, you should be meeting boat loads, sifting
through them to find a girl worth pursuing. 

[2tallbill]

yep, I get it.  I will let the tide take me for a while, rather than paddle.  I think anything I do before my little tour is taboo.  Afterwards I will know much more - hell, I could even get "lucky."


BUT HERE IS A QUESTION:  What is so bad and sinister in Ukraine that gives apparently ALL the motivation to leave the country, and hold it in such low regard? 

You have the facts backwards. Most do not want to to leave their country, language, culture, family and friends.
They are only willing to do so if they find a true love to build a family and future with.

[2tallbill]

I am Lazy in developing relationships.  For example, I should go buy an Ukrainian phone.
But, when I do, the damn thing is going to ring all the time.  Some guys want it to ring. 
I would rather place the call.

Then turn it off genius, only turn it on to make a call.

[2tallbill]

==== The MOB Agency "Industry" ====

Well, there is more than meets the eye here, and none of it is particularly good.

Congratulations you are learning.