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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #175 on: November 10, 2018, 04:39:44 PM »
"What do you mean the same pick up lines still work??? You mean you took them for coffee, then dinner and back to your apt?? What did Mrs Krimster have to say?"

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« Last Edit: November 10, 2018, 04:56:40 PM by krimster2 »
вы думаете, что любой из этих людей, даже российских, подозревает, что я русский?

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« Reply #176 on: November 10, 2018, 04:44:16 PM »
Instead of guys with yesteryear exposure getting cut when it is pointed out --
they should learn from it an adapt a principle of "their" time on the ground .

I have you on ignore but I can see your post, I am commenting against
my better judgement. There was a section in this forum called OMB for
"Old married bastards"

If the OMB stopped posting the forum would die and nobody could read
your posts (or ignore them). How would a guy who pursued FSUW 10 years
ago, know what parts of his advice are out of date or not? He wouldn't.
You won't know what parts of your advice which becomes stale by the
hour are outdated either will you?

Supposedly you are in a LTR, I don't know the details because you and
I don't exchange Christmas cards anymore.

The newbies should read everybody's advice and decide for themselves what
works best for them, their goals, their personality and their situation.

The only purpose of the tenor of your post is to make yourself feel better
and more special than others. It's always been boy meets girl since the
horse and buggy days, analog worked back in the day and it works now.

If somebody has something that they think is relevant or better let them
post it and let those who are still in the game decide it's value, not guys
who are only slightly less stale than others.



« Last Edit: November 10, 2018, 04:52:44 PM by 2tallbill »
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #177 on: November 10, 2018, 04:54:41 PM »
As far as online sites go, I'd put dmnotify at the top. There is a steady flow of new women and they aren't afraid to make first contact, especially in the 35-45 year range. I've received 52 messages to date and only found two to be scammers (although I didn't reply to all)

The site is very proactive regarding non - genuine women and often suspend accounts while they are under review. Site support is great and so is the forum.

It costs 40 pounds a month which is quite modest and really you only need a month to meet a lot of genuine / interested women. I've been spending one month on and then one month off the site.

« Last Edit: November 10, 2018, 04:57:37 PM by Davo2 »

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« Reply #178 on: November 10, 2018, 05:01:57 PM »
Can I suggest that mamba.ru is removed ?

You can make all the suggestions you want based on what others
have told you. Hopefully, they leave everything up and let people
still in the game sort things out for themselves.

This forum is not a step by step guide, it's a learn how to do things
yourself resource. Turbo and others used snail mail back in the olden
days. Doesn't mean he can't post or explain how he did something
or that he should have a disclaimer under every post.

If somebody gets onto an old site and can't figure it out then they
have no business pursuing FSUW. Most people have updated their
profiles when they got married and Newbies can look at that and
decide what level of weight to give each post.

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #179 on: November 10, 2018, 06:24:47 PM »
I have you on ignore but I can see your post, I am commenting against
my better judgement. There was a section in this forum called OMB for
"Old married bastards"

If the OMB stopped posting the forum would die and nobody could read
your posts (or ignore them). How would a guy who pursued FSUW 10 years
ago, know what parts of his advice are out of date or not? He wouldn't.
You won't know what parts of your advice which becomes stale by the
hour are outdated either will you?

.

The newbies should read everybody's advice and decide for themselves what
works best for them, their goals, their personality and their situation.



Amazing what you read on ignore !

Given that you know full well that you are a major offender in the "past use by" date of info.
Despite numerous people pointing out that to you the blundering on continues .

Funnily enough -earlier today you made a generalise post of common sense without harking back to outdated info. Some things do not change that much -- which I pointed out in the post you have commented on -- HOWEVER -- there has been considerable change that has been quite rapid in the practical and logistics of the whole exercise .
As an example -- how long ago were you actually in Dnipro ? Note-it even has a new name for those that have respect for Ukraine -- and you were there when? 10 years ago?How many days were you actually there? It is relevant because there has been a lot of change --in particular changes that can make a big difference for a guy visiting .
That has been pointed out to you repeatedly --yet -- you ignore that and hark back to outdated info. That is a very clear example .

It is one thing having a different opinion-- but another thing altogether when handing out factually incorrect information.

FWIW -I mentioned the Donholio TR earlier-- it is an example of how so much has changed -- and is easier now -- but-- on the human interaction it is as relevant as when it was written and is both interesting and entertaining.
SLAVA UKRAYINI  ! HEROYAM SLAVA!!!!
Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #180 on: November 10, 2018, 08:50:45 PM »

This forum is not a step by step guide, it's a learn how to do things
yourself resource. Turbo and others used snail mail back in the olden
days. Doesn't mean he can't post or explain how he did something
or that he should have a disclaimer under every post. 
Break the process into 2 parts:
a) introductory phase, arranging a meetup
    snail mail, email, skype, etc.
    yes, this changes much.
    but bottom line,  if you're the right person, almost anything will work,
          and if you're the wrong person, almost nothing will work.
b) meeting phase, 1st date, etc.
     this part never changes much.
     yes, sometimes more competition, sometimes less.
Some guys may master part a, then not so good at part b....
Others are not the planning/strategy type, but may be very good at part b.
Succeed with the wrong ladies, fail with the right ladies.
Successive approximation eventually finds the light at the end of the tunnel.
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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #181 on: November 10, 2018, 09:06:12 PM »
Now -here is Silly Billy at it again- his response is to attempt to claim so higher knowledge based on his "success" as he wants us to believe. Silly is an example of a guy who persists in rationalising what amounts to BS-even when it was current-- which was a long time ago.
Only a fool would take his "advice"


You've been here over 6 years and had zero success and you want people to take your advice? "Silly Billy" is what I used to hear in elementary school. Women prefer men, not kids.


For one thing 'successful' can have many meanings and interpreted many ways. It is an individual assessment. To me, a 'successful' marriage lasts 40-50 years until one passes. To others it is a 'good' 5- 10 years. I catch women all the time, big deal. I don't settle like some, it takes time to find someone you feel is right. Sometimes you never find that person, sometimes you do and it ends up a LTR only. To me marriage is a BIG thing, not taken lightly.


I cringe when I hear the word 'success' here. When dealing with relationships, emotions, feelings, thoughts... what is success or failure? How is it measured? It either works out or not. In relationships, two people decide what will be.

It doesn't matter if you're single, in a relationship, or married, if you're beating your competition and are happy, you're successful.

It takes time to find someone right you say? You've been on this forum 9 years. How much more time do you need? While some of the single guys here are bragging they have a 50% success rate with women responding to them on dating sites and apps, other men are dating 50 women in real life right now. You guys get upset when someone else recommends a site different than what you'd recommend. Those sites and apps are simply a tool to introduce yourself. It doesn't matter if we recommend the BEST tool, if a guy is a loser, no woman is going to claim him.

The real difference between the winners and losers come during the dating phase. It seems like I, ML, and Krimster got plenty of dates before we got married. The single guys who are upset about "old dating sites" seem to have one thing in common, you rarely or never talk about any real life meetings with women. You should be able to catch the women anywhere, whether she's on a new or old site. As long as the site doesn't have agency employees writing the letters, you are writing to a real woman and it's up to you to win her over. If you find your competition is getting all the action, you have only yourself to blame. I don't care if Mamba.ru is 1 yo or 101 yo, it has the most women on it and there's no reason not to catch one. And just because a woman responded to your message doesn't mean you caught her or worth bragging your response rate is great and the site or app is worth recommending because a few women talked to you.

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #182 on: November 10, 2018, 10:38:46 PM »
defining success is simple!
“the accomplishment of an aim or purpose”

Ukraine to me was once upon a time, a land of fairy tales “maya babooshka” told me about
with stories of the hungry wolf vrs the farmer’s clever son

when I discovered Ukraine for myself
I discovered that it WAS I WHO WAS THE HUNGRY WOLF


girlfriend #2 in Ukraine - a 19 yr old Education major at Taras Shevchenko National University of Kyiv
she was the epitome of the perfect female physical form, incredible almost superhuman beauty
totally unspoiled, didn't wear any makeup, wore simple clothes, walked EVERYWHERE

seriously, there is NO WAY a 40 yr old guy could tap this in the USA, no way....
and by Ukrainian standards, she's basically average...

« Last Edit: November 10, 2018, 11:01:41 PM by krimster2 »
вы думаете, что любой из этих людей, даже российских, подозревает, что я русский?

вот как я могу создать американскую личность
Я могу взять напрокат

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #183 on: November 11, 2018, 02:18:15 AM »
.

More and more girls are on Facebook and Instagram. I don't bother with vk anymore.

Girls being the appropriate adjective ?

It seems there may be a generation gap re use of dating sites / apps ? ;)

Anyway,

mamba.ru is now ranked 81st in Russia and 955th in the world

http://www.similarweb.com/website/mamba.ru#overview

I did not find this source - but seems to demonstrate some of us ( myself included ? )  are out of touch re the dating scene :)

Mamba.ua is 346th  in Ukraine - same source.






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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #184 on: November 11, 2018, 02:25:56 AM »


Supposedly you are in a LTR,

Nah!  I suspect he is an expert on dating sites, again, Beel

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #185 on: November 11, 2018, 07:29:19 AM »
As usual, I agree with ML and his rational logic,,,,
when it comes to dating in the FSU..

and also with the following statements below:

GQ:
Dating FSUWs is no different than dating western women.
If anything, considering favourable MOB advantages afforded WM, it is (or should be) much, much easier.
Some had even pegged this pursuit *fishing in a barrel* before.
If some of you are having a tough time at this juncture, dare I say the real challenge then is being true to yourself. 

(I think the correct wording is “shooting fish in a barrel”)

Billy:
Those sites and apps are simply a tool to introduce yourself.
It doesn't matter if we recommend the BEST tool, if a guy is a loser, no woman is going to claim him.

John Dear Green:
if you're the right person, almost anything will work,
and if you're the wrong person, almost nothing will work.

Krimster:
the more things change
THE MORE THEY REMAIN THE SAME

I have done this twice,,,
Marrying with a beautiful Ukraine woman more than 20 years younger….
First time 20 years ago, second time 5 years ago,,
Everything worked the same way, only so much easier 5 years ago.

Read my story here:
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=15509.0

And today, it looks to be even easier.

In my search for some business opportunities, early this year, I met with a small business owner.
When I called him first time, he told me that he was busy, as he was on his way to Kiev.
I asked what for, and he said women,,,,,,, thats how it started.
These days we are doing some business together, and he has become almost like a friend to me.
He is my age, went through a costly divorce 10 years ago, after a 25 year marriage.
Very good condition, a true fitness fanatic that is swimming, bicycling or running every afternoon.
Even though he had a couple of years dating experience in Moscow and Kiev,
he was very interested in my advice for how to find the “right one”

At the moment, he has 2/3 women that he is dating regularly, meeting with each of them, one or two times a month.
Going to Kiev or inviting one here for the weekend, and sometimes going on a week vacation together.
He sent me photos in the morning today, from Thailand, where he is spending a week together with one of them.
A beautiful Ukraine dentist, 20+ years younger than him.

He is afraid of marrying again and worried about choosing a future failure.
I told him to meet more women “for coffee” and then choose,,,
instead of getting emotionally connected with one lady before meeting.

Getting tired of writing, he is now paying a private female matchmaker in Kiev for finding  women.
Slim, beautiful, good english, educated, no children (at home), 20+ younger.
Every month now, he goes for a weekend  in Kiev, to meet with 3-4 new prospects.

Jan

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« Reply #186 on: November 11, 2018, 09:41:19 AM »
Break the process into 2 parts:
a) introductory phase, arranging a meetup
    snail mail, email, skype, etc.
    yes, this changes much.
    but bottom line,  if you're the right person, almost anything will work,
          and if you're the wrong person, almost nothing will work.


The important part of process one that is that it's usually a numbers game. You contact
many girls with a wide net using whatever technology interface best leverages your
effectiveness then you sift it down to find your gold nugget in all that sand.

Your bottom line is essentially true barring luck. I've seen luck work when a
guy had a .0000000001% chance.

b) meeting phase, 1st date, etc.
     this part never changes much.
     yes, sometimes more competition, sometimes less.
Some guys may master part a, then not so good at part b....
Others are not the planning/strategy type, but may be very good at part b.
Succeed with the wrong ladies, fail with the right ladies.
Successive approximation eventually finds the light at the end of the tunnel.

This is the analog part, the boy meets girl part. This has been going on since
the day men stopped dragging a girl by the hair back to their caves. Once the
girl walked to the cave on her own steam and her own volition this part follows
a romantic path.

HOWEVER, this is the part where a mistake(s) can lead to the biggest disaster.
There have been guys who married girls they barely knew. There have been
guys who married a girl with a child and NEVER had a conversation about
raising that child or discipline of that child.

b) meeting phase, 1st date, etc.
     this part never changes much.
     yes, sometimes more competition, sometimes less.

When a guy goes on the first date, either they have chemistry or they don't.
If they don't some guys (we will call them Joe's) move on. Joe's will meet other
girls and give themselves a chance to finding the right girl while they are in
country with boots on the ground.

The guys who don't move on (Delbert's)will cling to any possibility that things
might work out. They will misinterpret and sign of the girl being nice to him as
a sign of her changing her mind towards him. Delbert has watched every Hollywood
movie of the guy outside the girls bedroom window playing a song on his boom box.

Even if you find a girl and things are great, you have a ton of work still to do.
These overseas relationships are fragile and can fall apart. These relationships
are like gardens, they need tending. You gotta get back on a plane and see that
girl again and again or risk that things fall apart.

It has happened to me, it has happened to others.
 
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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« Reply #187 on: November 11, 2018, 10:00:48 AM »
Those sites and apps are simply a tool to introduce yourself.
It doesn't matter if we recommend the BEST tool,
if a guy is a loser, no woman is going to claim him.

If you added good girl then it would be accurate.

"If a guy is a loser, no good woman is going to claim him.

If a loser get's claimed it will be by a girl with questionable goals and motives.
The mule drivers pick losers, the green card girls pick out the most gullible losers.

There are girls on this Earth who will harvest your organs for a nice set of boots
or would happily ruin your life for any small benefit to herself but most of us spot
that girl coming and step aside letting her pass by without a glance back, but the
losers out there will see that girl coming and can't help but getting sucked into
their vortex.

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #188 on: November 11, 2018, 10:06:31 AM »
danke for your post Jan!

refreshing to read of success, instead of all the failures that get posted here
I can tell by your attitudes that you and your friend will continue to do well with UW
I would doubt that there would be anything I could teach either of you
that you don't already know, based on your own experience

I still have a business connection in Kyiv as well
a long time ago I developed some properties in Crimea
but I HATE this business and will never do it again!!!


it's sad that guys who are miserable in their home country dating scene
don't know the kind of results that they can get in Ukraine
you DON'T HAVE TO BE A RICH SUPER STUD to succeed in Ukraine
just be at least "average" across most categories
that's all it takes, seriously

until I read of all the guys posting here who failed in Ukraine
I would have thought that it would have been impossible to fail in Ukraine!
amazing to me that there have been those who have figured out how to do it
I just don't understand why
when you consider the nature of the reward for success

please tell me something that's better than making love to a beautiful Ukrainian woman
I mean other than fishing of course...
and you guys passed it by....






« Last Edit: November 11, 2018, 10:24:32 AM by krimster2 »
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вот как я могу создать американскую личность
Я могу взять напрокат

 

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