Re: She wants me to guarantee her security in the US before she comes...

[Gator]

  Furthermore, if she is unable to prove "marriage in good faith" and get he permanent gc on her own upon divorce- she will become an illegal and be potentially deported from the US. This is sad but true - those first couple years of marriage before the permanent GC a RW is really 100% at the mercy of an AM husband. And in many cases it get exceptionally ugly.

To threaten deportation seems utterly dishonorable.   Such a cad does not deserve a wife and probably does not have the emotional IQ to develop loving feelings.
 
My ex-wife and I divorced well before the end of the two years.  She retained an attorney and stayed.  I was asked to help in her "good faith" defense; however, what they asked and received from me was so small that I wonder if it was even needed.   Based on that experience, I would think almost any RW could stay.  Pitbull, how many RW are actually deported because marriages lasted less than two years?
 
BTW,  Pitbull, your opinion regarding alimony seems accurate.  Continuing, periodic alimony will be considered in Florida only for marriages of 7 years or more.

[Doll]

Question.   Of those RW who divorce and do not earn enough income to support themselves, how many rely on government aid vs. their network of friends and their own sense of survival?  A single woman without kids will not qualify for Section 8 housing, and even if she did I can not envision the pride of a RW agreeing to Section 8 housing.

Not many, but it is not about pride- they  just do not qualify for it.
What is "enough income"?

[pitbull]

 Pitbull, how many RW are actually deported because marriages lasted less than two years?
 

I don't think any statistics exist. I would imagine a good number stays anyway even if their status chages to illegal

[BillyB]

 I would imagine a good number stays anyway even if their status chages to illegal

That's for sure. Dated an FSU woman who married an FSU man. She divorced him soon after coming to America before green card. She is housed and taken care of by the American government and she has no kids. Free college too. She eventually concluded I wouldn't be her future husband and proposed to me a physical relationship in exchange for financial help.
 
Another FSU woman I dated came on a tourist visa, got an immigration attorney and stayed in America due to the abusive husband she had back home. I don't think our government has any proof, they just take the woman's word for it.
 
Another I dated got asylum. She told our government if she goes back home, she's in danger due to her beliefs. How does anybody prove that? I assume our government took her word for it. It's easy to stay in America once you're here and get government assistance.

[Russian_Bear]

Russian Bear -    we don't have many Russian men here.
 
I like your post    Please write here more 

Hello. Lily Thank you for your words. I will appear more often now

[GQBlues]

Not many, but it is not about pride- they  just do not qualify for it.

Yeppers, exactly right. That's what a Ukrainian woman told us when she tried to apply for government assistance for her and her daughter after divorce.

Denied. 

[BillyB]

That's what a Ukrainian woman told us when she tried to apply for government assistance for her and her daughter after divorce.

Denied. 

How much income was she getting from her job or her ex? Around were I live there are apartment complexes dominated by Ukrainian people. I dated one lady, not the one in college, with no kids who was in one of the apartments. Another lady I dated got out of government assistance and started a business. She wanted to teach her son not to rely on free handouts. She said everybody knows you can't make over a certain amount of money otherwise you lose your benefits. Many immigrants end up working cash jobs so they could keep their benefits. Food stamps are easier to get than housing.

[Jumper]

I wonder if an Affidavit of Support will be enforced in this case and the man will have to pay back. Also, is the Affidavit just for Federal government or State as well? If just federal - then I'm not surprised it is rarely enforced, since all this help mostly comes from the state.

I know a case, of a very short marriage (months)
and the judge took the AOS in consideration when granting support to the RW.
no kids incvolved.
she also has suppirt from various state programs fort trainjng and job placemrnt, as wellss food/ shelters..and relocation t ther statwes..continuing a year or so later.
 
 
These things vary so much by state,
 that there is no way to give one answer.
No family law attorney would attempt it, but forums always do  
 

[GQBlues]

How much income was she getting from her job or her ex? Around were I live there are apartment complexes dominated by Ukrainian people....

She was although IIRC, it bordered minimum (no help from the ex). I tend to agree with her conclusion in that she flat-out didn't know how to *work the system*. According to her, the people she spoke with in the office, wherever it was, were apparently telling her they work on jobs for more pay than what she was getting.

Heck, even illegal immigrants are getting social royalties (PC term), but for her - *denied*. 

I think the Feds really should enforce accountability that petitioners sign in for when they filed these silly K1s...that should at least alleviate hardships that befall so many of these women. I think this would also give the men a cause to pause before signing on the dotted line inspired only by their silly little heads.

[Anotherkiwi]

I know a case, of a very short marriage (months)
and the judge took the AOS in consideration when granting support to the RW.
no kids incvolved.
she also has suppirt from various state programs fort trainjng and job placemrnt, as wellss food/ shelters..and relocation t ther statwes..continuing a year or so later.
 
 
These things vary so much by state,
 that there is no way to give one answer.
No family law attorney would attempt it, but forums always do

   Jumper, were you tipsy when you wrote this, or just having finger trouble on your smart phone? 

[Stirlitz]

Almost every FSUW that I interacted with claimed that one of the top priorities for her future husband was that he had a sense of humor.

Yet, not all women actually possess this sense, I would even state few. And they can often be offended at your jokes and even mark you as an idiot when they don’t understand your joke, even if you specially add that you are kidding.
No logic. Women!

[ML]

I would mostly agree with Stirlitz on this.

On average it seems, women have much less sense of humor than men, and certainly much less tolerance for 'silliness.'

But still, there is some percentage of women (I would estimate around 30%) who enjoy humor just as much as men.  And I would estimate maybe 15% who can even tell a few jokes.  And maybe 10% who can and do enjoy a man who is 'silly' a bit of the time. 

I have been lucky to find quite a few of those in the latter category.

[calmissile]

I would mostly agree with Stirlitz on this.

On average it seems, women have much less sense of humor than men, and certainly much less tolerance for 'silliness.'

But still, there is some percentage of women (I would estimate around 30%) who enjoy humor just as much as men.  And I would estimate maybe 15% who can even tell a few jokes.  And maybe 10% who can and do enjoy a man who is 'silly' a bit of the time. 

I have been lucky to find quite a few of those in the latter category.

Agree, and what a difference in personality.         

[Eduard]

Just saw this on a woman's profile on Mamba (she lives in the US by the way) :
Не понимаю как муж с двумя почками может говорить жене что не может купить шубу)
[/size]"I don't get it how a husband with 2 kidneys can tell his wife that he can't afford to buy her a fur coat ) "[/color]
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[/size]It's a joke off course, but as they say in Ukraine: [/color][/size] "В каждой шутке есть доля шутки" [/color]

[Voyager36]

She's currently living with her long time friend from the city they grew up in back in Russia. The friend is married to an AM. They don't know what to do with/for her at this time. She doesn't want to go back to Russia but she's utterly without any skills or credentials, etc...other than work retail.

Tough, tough deal. I can only imagine this will be tougher had she have to worry about a child, or two...

Hard to imagine that her friends AM doesn't know what to tell her to do. 
She needs to talk to a divorce lawyer, she should be entitled to half of the marital property.

[GQBlues]

Hard to imagine that her friends AM doesn't know what to tell her to do. 
She needs to talk to a divorce lawyer, she should be entitled to half of the marital property.

That was 3 months ago, Voyager  Our friend actually did extended her every possible assistance, Provided her a home, meals, had her use their car to lean how to drive, driven her to work seminars, etc...

But...things went sour (alas!) apparently when she decided to list herself in some social site notoriously for ex-pats in LA. Within the week, she was going out on dates with different men 2-3 times out of the week. On the surface of it, it doesn't seem 'bad' but apparently the 'dates' was all an overnighter -  .

She would always trip the house alarm with frequency and we were told that soon they were waking up with strange men walking up their hallways in the AM to greet them Dobre Utras.

It's Howdy-doody time all over again! I like her spirit!!! What a fly-girl!

When friend RW was telling us, AM hubby was looking straight in my eyes as I was bustin' up! You go girl! LOL...

[Fashionista]

Не понимаю как муж с двумя почками может говорить жене что не может купить шубу)

LOL 
I am going to quote that...

[Lily]

Any development in Paulie's situation, I am curious?

[AnObserver]

Any updates here?

Are you still looking, Paulie?

[Paulie]

Hi, 

I know it's been a long time since I've been here.  A lot has happened and now I wish to pick up where I left off. 

It is almost 6 AM here in California and I just came back from Istanbul.  Can't sleep, so I thought I would come here and send a note to say hello to everyone. 

I need to pull my thoughts and emotions together, and then I would like to share with all of you where I've been regarding my original post.  I am just in a tough moment right now, so I will come back in a day or two,

Best wishes,

Paul

[ML]

Paul, give it one day of recovery for every hour of time zones you went through returning.

[Paulie]

Thanks ML.  I ma having a hard time because of the events in Istanbul.  I think I finally realized what and who I was dealing with relative to the woman I talked about months ago.

I will be sharing my story here as I could use some help overcoming the pain and suffering I put myself through.

Best,

Paul

[Faux Pas]

Thanks ML.  I ma having a hard time because of the events in Istanbul.  I think I finally realized what and who I was dealing with relative to the woman I talked about months ago.

I will be sharing my story here as I could use some help overcoming the pain and suffering I put myself through.

Best,

Paul

You went to meet the "guarantee" woman after all?

[GQBlues]

You went to meet the "guarantee" woman after all?

Well, if he did, you shouldn't be too surprised about that, FP. That's more of a 'rule' than an 'exception' in these hallways when it comes to women matters.

[Gator]

Paulie,
 
Welcome back.  Your story sounds like it will be very interesting and evidently painful.    Not to worry - it will become water over the dam (or water under the bridge for the Brits).   Looking forward to reading it. 
 
It has been a long time since you and I last spoke.  On your next trip to Florida, don't forget about us.   Wifey is better than ever.