Women with Children - more strongly worded advice

[BillyB]

It is just not worth getting into. Water over bridge, long time ago. End of story.

Exactly, so what you wrote a few minutes ago shouldn't have been written.

[Wayne]

What would really spice up this story is if Alina would chime in!

[Turboguy]

Exactly, so what you wrote a few minutes ago shouldn't have been written.

Why not.  It is nice to hear the other side of the story for a change.  I wish she would stay and share some stories about what it is like to establish a new life after coming here on a K-1 and getting divorced.   It could be very interesting to hear what is involved and what things she had to overcome.


As far as what when wrong in the marriage, not so important.  They weren't right for each other and it didn't work.  Is he a jerk?  There is probably someone in the world who thinks each of us is a jerk. 

[Southpaw1982]

LOL
 
That was Billy's tender way of saying Don't go.

Aw...but really, I am at work. What can be done about it now?? 
It just did not work out, we wanted other things and had different goals.  Jmana and I are much older and wiser people now, I hope he can make his new relationship work this time He now is an active member of Fight the new Drug Organization http://www.fightthenewdrug.org/  ,  so there is hope  and I am happy he found a dream girl 

[BillyB]

I wish she would stay and share some stories about what it is like to establish a new life after coming here on a K-1 and getting divorced.   It could be very interesting to hear what is involved and what things she had to overcome.

I'm okay with that but instead she came here with some words that would start a fight, claims she's gotten over the past and now got to run.

He now is an active member of Fight the new Drug Organization http://www.fightthenewdrug.org/  ,  so there is hope 

I hope Jmana can conquer his drug problems, or do you mean he's helping other people fight the drugs?

[GQBlues]

Goodbye to you too. Everybody is free to believe who they want to believe but I wouldn't believe a poster that makes hit and run posts with such serious allegations.

LOL (Ade will likely be amused)...but maybe southpaw can wager you 10 Gs she is who she says she is much in the same fashion you challenged Ade with regarding the authenticity of your marriage, no?

I'll hold the money. What say you?

Olga Conroy once made the same appearance out of the blue on RWG during a discussion we were having regarding her marriage and tribulations with Mike Conroy. No one believed the poster, especially the ever-lovable bubbly Helen. Then when Olga posted a picture of herself with her adorably beautiful child, the skepticism turned into condemnation of her decision to marry Mike.

[Southpaw1982]

Why not.  It is nice to hear the other side of the story for a change.  I wish she would stay and share some stories about what it is like to establish a new life after coming here on a K-1 and getting divorced.   It could be very interesting to hear what is involved and what things she had to overcome.


As far as what when wrong in the marriage, not so important.  They weren't right for each other and it didn't work.  Is he a jerk?  There is probably someone in the world who thinks each of us is a jerk.

Well, I am sassy lil thing, not very submissive. Jmana did not want that. Nobody is a jerk. People are what they are. My second husband was no better- with drinking problems, started off really well, but then he fell of the wagon and needed some serious help at the end, I had to leave. He was mad when I left, but he needed to go to a rehab and get well...besides, none of these guys were ready to get married. When my man wonders, I let set him free and set myself free. Life goes on though, I had goals and let go.

[Southpaw1982]

I'm okay with that but instead she came here with some words that would start a fight, claims she's gotten over the past and now got to run"



I hope Jmana can conquer his drug problems, or do you mean he's helping other people fight the drugs?

It is just the truth. I pay child support, he says I left my son for "modeling "what the f kind of crap is that? I just don't appreciate the lies. No, I am not an angel, I was 18 and he was 24 when we met, my family was into my business  way too much and it all ended badly... I did not want to be with Jmana, not because I did not want to be a mother to my son.  I am always going to be my son's mother, I just don't have to force myself to stay in the crappy relationship because of that. So I left. Problem solved, he can watch his porn. I can move on with my life. Done. I struggled, but I made it.

[ML]

. . .  it is good that you found your way here and shared the other side of the story.

No it is not good.

It is confusing enough to keep up with and try to understand the stories posted here by original posters; particularly when those of us who know nothing at all, spin long tales about what the likely story really is.

Now, if the conversation is joined by those who are on the complete opposite side of this story . . . then it's just over-the-top confusing.  And we know that those who know nothing at all about either side of the story will now have too many permutations and combinations to throw out.

We need more simplicity in life, not more complexity.

[Muzh]

No it is not good.

It is confusing enough to keep up with and try to understand the stories posted here by original posters; particularly when those of us who know nothing at all, spin long tales about what the likely story really is.

Now, if the conversation is joined by those who are on the complete opposite side of this story . . . then it's just over-the-top confusing.  And we know that those who know nothing at all about either side of the story will now have too many permutations and combinations to throw out.

We need more simplicity in life, not more complexity.

Ochka is not around.
 
Start reading, that will keep you busy.

[BillyB]

LOL (Ade will likely be amused)...but maybe southpaw can wager you 10 Gs she is who she says she is much in the same fashion you challenged Ade with regarding the authenticity of your marriage, no?

When she decides to spend lots of time here and post more photos than anybody at this forum of herself with her spouse, or in this case ex spouse, as I did with my wife, then ask me again if I don't believe her. I'm not as silly as Ade to be challenging the lives of people who are well established posters here. Her accusations are intended to hurt although she said she's gotten over the past, so her honesty is in question.

[CanadaMan]

What would really spice up this story is if Alina would chime in!

What would spice it up even more is if your wife would chime in! 

[GQBlues]

...We need more simplicity in life, not more complexity.

Yeah right. Ask any Ukrainians how well that worked out for them these days?

[GQBlues]

When she decides to spend lots of time here and post more photos than anybody at this forum of herself with her spouse, or in this case ex spouse, as I did with my wife, then ask me again if I don't believe her. I'm not as silly as Ade to be challenging the lives of people who are well established posters here. Her accusations are intended to hurt although she said she's gotten over the past, so her honesty is in question.

Aww c'mon BillyB. Nice try.

The two sides in this saga (jmana/southpaw) had already in fact posted and stated their case/story. Unlike you. Yet you question her authenticity while at the same time feel you haven't the need to prove anything since you've been posting pictures of your 'other' half.

[Faux Pas]

When she decides to spend lots of time here and post more photos than anybody at this forum of herself with her spouse, or in this case ex spouse, as I did with my wife, then ask me again if I don't believe her. I'm not as silly as Ade to be challenging the lives of people who are well established posters here. Her accusations are intended to hurt although she said she's gotten over the past, so her honesty is in question.

So far, only to you is her honesty in question. She doesn't appear to have any axe to grind. She's just telling her side of an issue that for the most part, doesn't jive with jmana's. She doesn't appear to harbor ill will against jmana and is apparently glad to be shed of him. So much so, she left her kid and is paying support. Other than his alledged porn addiction she hasn't smeared him. What's your question?

[Southpaw1982]

Aww c'mon BillyB. Nice try.

The two sides in this saga (jmana/southpaw) had already in fact posted and stated their case/story. Unlike you. Yet you question her authenticity while at the same time feel you haven't the need to prove anything since you've been posting pictures of your 'other' half.

Frankly, jmana and I are way over the past. Everything what has happened to us while we were married,problems that made a relationship bumpy...All water over the bridge.  Main thing was we were not meant to be. It did not work out. But In order to raise our boy and make the best of it, we will take the higher road. I am sure he agrees with me. We had such a wonderful kid, why fight?

I just had a conversation with him to clear some of the confusion, I had no idea he was posting stuff about me. But, we cleared this up.
I just wish people would communicate more, before jumping into conclusions. It is none of any ya all's business anyways.

[BillyB]

Other than his alledged porn addiction she hasn't smeared him.

She said he was into prepubescent porn. For those not understanding, she's saying he's into very young kids in which he should register as a sex offender. Go back and read her first post and you'll find out she altered it and downgraded her accusations to say he's into teen porn. Her/his story is changing by the minute.

[Southpaw1982]

She said he was into prepubescent porn. For those not understanding, she's saying he's into very young kids in which he should register as a sex offender. Go back and read her first post and you'll find out she altered it and downgraded her accusations to say he's into teen porn. Her/his story is changing by the minute.

Yes, I changed it, it did sound bad...I had to look it up. I thought it was the same as teens. Who cares? You need to change your name from BillyB to BullyB. lol Stop it! I just made a mistake lol

[BillyB]

Yes, I changed it, it did sound bad...I had to look it up. I thought it was the same as teens.

Why not use the word "teens" to begin with instead of a word that you didn't understand? If I didn't challenge you earlier, I doubt you would be making that correction. Just be honest with the people here and say you intended to severely hurt Jmana's reputation. I'd actually believe and respect you more.

Who cares?

People care. There's a lot of people who want what you say to be true. Don't worry about me. I'm one person. You'll have lots of supporters here.

[Southpaw1982]

Why not use the word "teens" to begin with instead of a word that you didn't understand? If I didn't challenge you earlier, I doubt you would be making that correction. Just be honest with the people here and say you intended to severely hurt Jmana's reputation. I'd actually believe and respect you more.





People care. There's a lot of people who want what you say to be true. Don't worry about me. I'm one person. You'll have lots of supporters here.

Yeah, big difference. Nobody is trying to hurt anyone here. He is a father of my child for God's sake. Everyone makes mistakes.

[GQBlues]

Frankly, jmana and I are way over the past. Everything what has happened to us while we were married,problems that made a relationship bumpy...All water over the bridge.  Main thing was we were not meant to be. It did not work out. But In order to raise our boy and make the best of it, we will take the higher road. I am sure he agrees with me. We had such a wonderful kid, why fight?

I just had a conversation with him to clear some of the confusion, I had no idea he was posting stuff about me. But, we cleared this up.
I just wish people would communicate more, before jumping into conclusions. It is none of any ya all's business anyways.

Of course your business and marriage matters with jmana is and always will be yours and his business alone. Jmana made statements about you and your marriage before and you gave your side of the story. Period. Whatever else comes after that, are both your disposition and in your discretion alone.

As for BillyB, LOL. Don't worry too much about him. Just so you know, he first approach is 'allege' wife when she was only 16 years old. BillyB is over 40 although he said he's only in his late 30s. So we must believe him despite the fact he couldn't possibly be in his 20s when he posted back on RWG. I say 'allege' simply for the sole reason there hasn't been any proofs, amidst all the photos he's shown in the site, showing him with the gal together in their wedding, in a wedding setting, or even his wife wearing a customary wedding band or ring in the many pictures of her he had posted before. Whether or not he's married, I couldn't really care less anyway but it just surprised me to even read BillyB questioning other people's validity and authenticity considering the challenges he was confronted with before but have yet to live up to.

As for porn, IMO, to me porn is porn and never really understood how and why men get into that stuff to begin with. Violation of a child's sanctity is heinous regardless of content. One of jmana's complaints about Alina before was that she spent way too much time with her laptop doing what she does in the internet. Sort of threw a nice happy meal into that little story and makes one wonder if he was upset because she was taking online porn time from his day.

I respect your plead to not have to add anymore of your past relations with the subject person.

BTW-

*Y'all* ?!? Really?

[Faux Pas]

Why not use the word "teens" to begin with instead of a word that you didn't understand? If I didn't challenge you earlier, I doubt you would be making that correction. Just be honest with the people here and say you intended to severely hurt Jmana's reputation. I'd actually believe and respect you more.





People care. There's a lot of people who want what you say to be true. Don't worry about me. I'm one person. You'll have lots of supporters here.

You're splitting hairs Billy. English isn't her first language. You want to find dishonesty in her. She made a mistake. Maybe you should take her out to the barn and horse whip her?

She didn't know the definition. She looked it up and corrected it. I'm certainly not coming to her defense, she doesn't need it. But you Billy are seeing ghosts where there are none. IMHO

[BillyB]

Everyone makes mistakes.

Yes, and hopefully everyone is making an effort to improve themselves. When you wrote your first post, I wanted to sit back and read the story as it unfolds. Muzh, was right earlier. I didn't want you to leave so I got you back into the discussion. I know you read this thread and I was curious to learn why you accused Jmana of kiddy porn and wished him and his new family well when most people would've been concerned for Jmana's fiancée's young daughter, not to mention your own son who's under his care.


I played games with your head to get you back into the discussion to get some answers. Some people here were enjoying what you've been saying and supporting you but there could've been a real danger to your son and a little girl that didn't seem all that important to you. Don't be offended by me playing mind games. It was for a good reason. I'm no bully but I've been called a bully's bully before.


We know how you rate Jmana as a husband, but how does he rate as a father? Does Jmana pose a threat to children or will he be a good father for his/your son and soon to be step daughter?

[jone]

Yes, and hopefully everyone is making an effort to improve themselves. When you wrote your first post, I wanted to sit back and read the story as it unfolds. Muzh, was right earlier. I didn't want you to leave so I got you back into the discussion. I know you read this thread and I was curious to learn why you accused Jmana of kiddy porn and wished him and his new family well when most people would've been concerned for Jmana's fiancée's young daughter, not to mention your own son who's under his care.


I played games with your head to get you back into the discussion to get some answers. Some people here were enjoying what you've been saying and supporting you but there could've been a real danger to your son and a little girl that didn't seem all that important to you. Don't be offended by me playing mind games. It was for a good reason. I'm no bully but I've been called a bully's bully before.


We know how you rate Jmana as a husband, but how does he rate as a father? Does Jmana pose a threat to children or will he be a good father for his/your son and soon to be step daughter?

Billy, you are off the ranch.  You don't play with people's heads.  I sense some transference here between your current situation and the way this woman ended the relationship with her, then, husband.     People will share what they feel comfortable sharing. 

[southernX]

southpaw,

glad you found this thread,
  their is always a second side to the story

i also am very interested to read your posts, as jmana has painted you/alina , in a certain light , people then get onboard to help demonise , and add fuel to the fire,

how he got custody of his son was one question that seemed to be used to portray him in a halo , your post has shown that there is a second important view on how that happened , not saying he is abad father, just that his sole custody posts gave the feel that you somehow where not agood mum ,
which is probably not so ,

hope you stay around and contribute some more

one question for you southpaw .,  jmana here has been portrayed by his own words as a cheap skate, ??  would you agree ?

SX