Women with Children - more strongly worded advice

[Daveman]

Exactly. Credible people should just cut the satire and look at facts. Opinions without evidence hold no water.

This isn't a court. There are very few "facts" presented here.  Only that which you both purport/verify.  So we are left mostly with impressions derived from piecing together fragments of plausibility. 

[Southpaw1982]

Hear, hear!!!

I am still not sure what that jmana wants from me...I pay child support, I am out of his life so he can do what he wants...He is unhappy because he can't control me anymore? Either way he is always going to be bitter with nothing better to do other than complain about everything.

Jmana, you don't own me anymore. I do what ever I want, and you can't do a thing about it. I pity you and always will. Too sad that the US citizenship and babysitting were the only good things you have done for me. You are no good for anything else. Alina will agree with me in a few years
I can't get sucked into this anymore. I am done for real.
Send me a message if you need to get in touch. Bye.

[Wayne]

From the posts, it looks like the names are Alex and Oksana. Is that correct?

In a custody disput, the Judge has several options:
 
Some form of joint physical custody.
 
Sole custody to either parent, usually with visitations for the other parent.
 
Custody to another family member, perhaps a grand parent.
 
The Judge could, if he finds neither parent to be able to take proper care of the child, remove the child from the home and place him in foster care.
 
To me, the less you get a Judge involved the better.
 
 
 

[jmana]

I am still not sure what that jmana wants from me...I pay child support, I am out of his life so he can do what he wants...He is unhappy because he can't control me anymore? Either way he is always going to be bitter with nothing better to do other than complain about everything.

Jmana, you don't own me anymore. I do what ever I want, and you can't do a thing about it. I pity you and always will. Too sad that the US citizenship and babysitting were the only good things you have done for me. You are no good for anything else. Alina will agree with me in a few years
I can't get sucked into this anymore. I am done for real.
Send me a message if you need to get in touch. Bye.

Uh, I never need to get in touch with you.  Good riddance. 

[LiveFromUkraine]

I feel really sad for their son.  The poor kid never did anything to deserve this and will suffer the most from it.

[Daveman]

Uh, I never need to get in touch with you.  Good riddance.

Really? 

[jmana]

Really?

Yes really.  Hopefully she got whatever it is out of her system and she'll leave me alone till the next full moon, or whatever else it is that triggers her mental illness. 

[Gator]

She's a broad. Simples.

Two points:

1.  My conclusion was not as you implied.

2.  Just because you have involuntary, automatic responses when a woman is involved does not mean everyone else is so narrow minded. 

[Gator]

After a few pages of reading I concluded the whole story was hogwash...just for chain yanking purposes. ..if anybody credible has met or spoke with the main participant(s) I stand corrected.

Fathertime!

Absolutely not the case.  This story is months long, involves more than Southpaw and jmana,  and partly corroborated by independent sources.   Besides, you can't make this stuff up such as feces consumption.

[jmana]

I feel really sad for their son.  The poor kid never did anything to deserve this and will suffer the most from it.

I feel sad for him to.  She manipulates him constantly.  Just this week she was trying to catch him in a lie.  He had told her that his Nook was broken.  I said to her "it works, but it never worked right".  She angrily spouts back "was he lying to me?!".  For some reason she's always trying to catch him in a lie.  Poor kid is half afraid to say anything to her because if it's not worded exactly right, she'll claim he lied to her.  Plus she's always accusing him of being gay, which is really sick.  I've heard her say to him "you're not a fa__ot are you?" when he told her that he slept over at his friend's house.  She also drove him 2 hours in the back of a honda with her hubby and his 2 daughters, both of whom were in car seats, he said he had to sit sideways in the middle because he couldn't even sit flat on the seat.  That's how much this woman and her new hubby care about him.  And she drives him around Florida, in the rain, in a car with completely bald tires.  Yeah, she's so responsible.  But then comes on here and makes me out to be a porn addict and irresponsible father because I looked at a few porn sites when we were married.  It's laughable! 

[BillyB]

No man has ever touched me until i was separated.

Although you worked as a stripper, I had some respect for you when you said that earlier.

  lol I made out with someone who was willing to help me move to get away from you...During that time we lived in separate rooms already.

Living in separate rooms in the same house doesn't mean you're separated yet. Making out with another man to encourage him to help you with an escape plan isn't the right thing to do. After you left the house or got kicked out depending on which story we want to believe, you wanted to come back and talk things over with jmana. What happened to the man helping you out?


Having relations with another man and jmana looking for a dinner date on Craigslist didn't help towards reconciliation if that was a goal. You both wanted to or did engage in relations before initiating divorce. I hope your son didn't see any of that. His definition of marriage and commitment to a spouse may be different than what it should be.

[Daveman]

makes me out to be a porn addict and irresponsible father because I looked at a few porn sites when we were married.  It's laughable!

Well, Jmana, I have to say that showing your new FSU, (especially) sexually, life, and marriage inexperienced wife something along the lines as how the "Pink Flamingos" has been described, even if for "humor" as you state, is at best the most mentally retarded lapse in judgement I think I've ever witnessed on this forum.  Do you really not understand why something like that would be embedded forever? 

[jmana]

Furthermore, whenever our son comes to me and tells me about things she does that concerns him (like the driving on bald tires in the rain), she will get really angry at him for telling me!!  That's how messed up she is.  So I wonder what he's keeping from me out of fear that she'll get mad at him.  But yeah, she does all kinds of stupid stuff like that, and I'm scared to death to let him in a car with her.  One time she posted a video on youtube where she's going 90 miles an hour in the pouring down rain, she's recording the speedometer and the rain hitting the windshield with her cell phone.   And seriously, if you'd see the pics she posts of herself online for her son to find, you'd be disgusted.  She acts so immature and really doesn't think about how her actions affect anyone but herself. 

[jmana]

Well, Jmana, I have to say that showing your new FSU, (especially) sexually, life, and marriage inexperienced wife something along the lines as how the "Pink Flamingos" has been described, even if for "humor" as you state, is at best the most mentally retarded lapse in judgement I think I've ever witnessed on this forum.  Do you really not understand why something like that would be embedded forever?

No I get that I made a lot of mistakes.  Point taken.  But why bring it up, 12 years later??  It doesn't seem as if it would have mattered what I did anyway, as she claims she came here for citizenship, plain and simple.  And that was because her family wanted her out of the house.  They pawned her onto me, it apparently was not a real marriage anyway.  I wish I would have known that before, I would have turned her over to I.C.E. and had her sent back where she belongs. 

[Muzh]

Two points:

1.  My conclusion was not as you implied.

2.  Just because you have involuntary, automatic responses when a woman is involved does not mean everyone else is so narrow minded.

Mind explaining those involuntary automatic responses without being offensive? Doubt it, but give it the old college try, eh?

[Muzh]

Living in separate rooms in the same house doesn't mean you're separated yet. Making out with another man to encourage him to help you with an escape plan isn't the right thing to do.

So, please tell us what was the right thing to do.
 
I'm assuming that paying the man while keeping herself pure and chaste.
 
But, feel free to tell us.

[Gator]

Mind explaining those involuntary automatic responses without being offensive? Doubt it, but give it the old college try, eh?

My observations are based solely on what I see at RWD.  Simply, when a man describes a conflict with a woman, you presume the woman is innocent of any wrong doing.   That would be noble if the reverse were true.   I do not recall you taking the reverse position.  Please correct me if wrong. 

I must state that you are an intelligent man, and frequently you are right. 

Your MO differs from mine in that I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.  It matters not if they are man or woman.  There is too little that we know in a few sentences here and there to pass judgment on anyone.   

Instead of just sentences, in this thread we have pages and pages.  And we have witnesses.  And exhibits.  You have been against jmana from the start when the thread was just about Alina.  Earlier I had been giving jmana the benefit of the doubt mostly because for years he has been raising a young boy, essentially on his own.  It seems that he has been a good father, and if so, what he has done is admirable.   

As it turned out 35 pages later, jmana has shown through his own admissions as well as reasonable charges made by his ex-that he was not a good husband, perhaps even negligent.  So your initial assessment of him was closer to reality (as we know it) than mine. 

Does this make you Carnak the Magnificent?  No, because Carnak knows that the man being the bad boy is not always the case.  And many times both parties have significant negative qualities among their many good qualities.  All along you have been  giving full support to Southpaw;  yet by her own admission (plus assuming 33% of what jmana says is true), she is not the angel you have sitting on a pedestal.

It seems you are naturally very protective of women (e. g., your supposition about your sister stripping).  Nothing wrong with that.   And in the case of AM-RW conflicts I believe you will naturally be right more than wrong without having any information.   In this case we had a lot of information and you seemed to ignore it anything negative about Southpaw and anything positive about jmana. 

When you wrote to me "She's broad" what else should I infer other than you believe I treat women as broads?  Hence my response, then your question, and now this long answer. 

Muzh, while I believe you  jump to conclusions with a gender bias, you do not do this as much as one other person who graces these pages, the same one who was the devil's advocate for the Tsarnaev brothers.   

You have a good day and save us from toxic poisoning.    I hope I did not offend you.  It took extra words in my attempt not to.  So next time, ask for the short answer please.

[dogspot]

Oooh, 1970s cinema experimentation. I remember that. But not with American cinema. Mostly European.
 
I remember the movies from an Italian film director, Pier Paolo Passolini. Crude and lewd.
 
The first movie of him I saw was based on Boccaccio's The Decameron. What I liked was the director's ability to transport you back to that era, The Middle Ages. It was really different. I highly recommend it.
 
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065622/
 
The following year he ame with Chaucer's The Canterburry Tales. How can you not see that? One scene that I'll never forget was of people landing in cesspools. Not a pretty sight. Again, same magic of being transported back in time. Also, highly recommeded.
 
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067647/
 
A few years later I saw another one of his movies. I was expecting a similar but, alas, it was not meant to be. The movie was called Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom and nothing but sexual depravity. People eating shit, being pissed on their faces, dicks being cut off. Ouch. In addition, it was in a contemporary setting, Fascist Italy. It was really a vomiting experience.
 
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073650/
 
Now, I haven't seen Pink Flamingos and honestly I have no desire to see it. If it is anything like Salò then I'm not curious, Yellow. Seriously, I cannot see how anyone would consider a movie like that a classic. Maybe a classic piece of shit. (Bu dum pah)

Pink Flamingos is nothing like Salò. Nothing is. Salò is hands down the most disturbing film ever made. Forcing someone to watch it would be equal to performing some of the acts depicted in the film on them.

[Muzh]

My observations are based solely on what I see at RWD.  Simply, when a man describes a conflict with a woman, you presume the woman is innocent of any wrong doing.   That would be noble if the reverse were true.   I do not recall you taking the reverse position.  Please correct me if wrong.
 

There is a very good reason why I tend to side with women on this forum. You may be oblivious as to how some men refer to FSU women but let me show you a visual.
 

 
For those who don't know the language, here's an English translation.
 

I must state that you are an intelligent man, and frequently you are right. 

Thnk you very much.
 

Your MO differs from mine in that I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.  It matters not if they are man or woman.  There is too little that we know in a few sentences here and there to pass judgment on anyone.
 

My MO?? FYI, I really do not care one way or the other whether a scumbag is male or female. I do care about those who are in a position of weakness. The last poor soul who I tried to give some assistance was that guy, I forgot his name, who was locked in his room on New Year's day. Actually, that's not true. I just advised TBear to be careful with hairy Boris.
 
 

Instead of just sentences, in this thread we have pages and pages.  And we have witnesses.  And exhibits.  You have been against jmana from the start when the thread was just about Alina.  Earlier I had been giving jmana the benefit of the doubt mostly because for years he has been raising a young boy, essentially on his own.  It seems that he has been a good father, and if so, what he has done is admirable.   

Do you have ALL the facts? Besides, I asked more than once about showing porn to a minor and I was laughed to. I have three children and trust me, at 12 a child is still very innocent. One thing is seeing a naked woman. Watching a woman being fcuked by a cuke and 3 guys is another. Call me naive or better yet, YOU tell me again that my estrogen levels are too high. Go ahead.
 

Carnak
 

The man is a pig. That IS my own personal opinion.
 

It seems you are naturally very protective of women (e. g., your supposition about your sister stripping).  Nothing wrong with that.   And in the case of AM-RW conflicts I believe you will naturally be right more than wrong without having any information.   In this case we had a lot of information and you seemed to ignore it anything negative about Southpaw and anything positive about jmana. 

Oh boy. LivefromUkraine sent you the wrong info on a PM. I do NOT have a sister. Read that again. And he should too.
 
I am naturally VERY protective of the weak. I DO NOT CARE IF IT IS A GUY OR A GIRL.
 
Regarding Southpaw, it seems to me she has to be pure and chaste for me to defend her based on your inference.

When you wrote to me "She's broad" what else should I infer other than you believe I treat women as broads?  Hence my response, then your question, and now this long answer. 
 

Oh you got that right.

The way you behave towards some women on this forum shows me that. If you really see nothing wrong at all, then I'm wasting my time trying to explain it to you.

Muzh, while I believe you  jump to conclusions with a gender bias, you do not do this as much as one other person who graces these pages, the same one who was the devil's advocate for the Tsarnaev brothers.
 

You have been guilty of excersising too, you know. AND based on gender. LOL
 

You have a good day and save us from toxic poisoning.    I hope I did not offend you.  It took extra words in my attempt not to.  So next time, ask for the short answer please.

NFL
 
Not For Long. End of the month and NYS can go to hell.
 
And no, you did not offend me. Rest assured of that.

[Muzh]

Pink Flamingos is nothing like Salò. Nothing is. Salò is hands down the most disturbing film ever made. Forcing someone to watch it would be equal to performing some of the acts depicted in the film on them.

 
 
I know. Ugh. He was a sick puppy.
 
However, did you see any of the other two? Just curious.

[jmana]

Pink Flamingos is nothing like Salò. Nothing is. Salò is hands down the most disturbing film ever made. Forcing someone to watch it would be equal to performing some of the acts depicted in the film on them.

Oh I didn't even realize what film you were referring to until I googled it.  My ex (the one who is a physician assistant in mental health) wanted to watch it.  I will say it's a better film than Pink Flamingos in that it is a higher quality production, it certainly cost more than $10k to make!   I didn't care for it as much as my ex did.  At the time I thought the whole thing was pointless, but looking back I guess I was more intellectually engaged than I was offended while watching it.  I don't think I would sit through it again though.

[Muzh]

Oh I didn't even realize what film you were referring to until I googled it.  My ex (the one who is a physician assistant in mental health) wanted to watch it.  I will say it's a better film than Pink Flamingos in that it is a higher quality production, it certainly cost more than $10k to make!   I didn't care for it as much as my ex did.  At the time I thought the whole thing was pointless, but looking back I guess I was more intellectually engaged than I was offended while watching it.  I don't think I would sit through it again though.

 
LMFAO
 
There was NOTHING intellectual about that movie. Absolutely nothing. And your ex was into it, eh?
 
Why don't we invite her here? I'm assuming she is American, no? Let's hear what she has to say.

[jmana]

 
LMFAO
 
There was NOTHING intellectual about that movie. Absolutely nothing. And your ex was into it, eh?
 
Why don't we invite her here? I'm assuming she is American, no? Let's hear what she has to say.

Korean.  I guess you have to have an intellect to be intellectually stimulated by that movie.  It doesn't surprise me that you wouldn't get it. 

[Muzh]

Korean.  I guess you have to have an intellect to be intellectually stimulated by that movie.  It doesn't surprise me that you wouldn't get it.

 
 
 
Indeed, right you are.

[GQBlues]

Furthermore, whenever our son comes to me and tells me about things she does that concerns him (like the driving on bald tires in the rain), she will get really angry at him for telling me!!  That's how messed up she is....

FWIW, here's a surprise for you jmana.

If it was me, I would've taken it on my own expense to make sure the tires in her car were new. If not only for her, but for the safety of my son as well.

Did this thought even occurred to you?