Hi, my name is Natasha :)

[Steamer]

Profile Picture was taken by a professional photographer. I also make up make-up artist (I usually do not use cosmetics. I do not be able to use it.). All this to pay the agency. They want their customers high-quality photos. They do not allow to place a photo of poor quality. They always need to be updated photo in the questionnaire. To this end, they always arrange a new photoshoot optional girl.
This is one reason why I can not post photos of life. I usually send them a letter, if a man is to ask them.

Hello Natasha,


I read your biography and would like to make some suggestions. I am American so my thoughts are from this perspective, European men probably have different ideas.


Photos: Your photos are very nice however you have too many 'glamour' photos and only one 'normal' photo. To many American men this suggests an 'expensive' woman. 2 glamour photos and more normal photos would be better.

[Natali_Tsymbalyuk]

Natasha, if you can become an electrician in Ukraine, you could also apply to emigrate to Canada on your own.  You would need to improve your English, though, and then find someone willing to employ you.  Employment is not a problem if, on emigration, you are willing to live in a smaller centre.  There is a special programme -

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/trades/apply-who.asp

Then, you can find a husband here.  You are very young for marriage by North American standards, so that would not be a big problem.
 
If you speak Ukrainian (as opposed to Russian), you may be able to find a diaspora Ukrainian who would be willing to employ you.

Yes, I speak Ukrainian and English equally well. I study these 2 languages at the same time since childhood. Unlike English. I only know technical English (studied at the academy). Spoken problem for me.
Thanks for the tip, and this useful information! I will to heed to your words!

[Steamer]

Natasha, if you can become an electrician in Ukraine, you could also apply to emigrate to Canada on your own.  You would need to improve your English, though, and then find someone willing to employ you.  Employment is not a problem if, on emigration, you are willing to live in a smaller centre.  There is a special programme -

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/trades/apply-who.asp

Then, you can find a husband here.  You are very young for marriage by North American standards, so that would not be a big problem.
 
If you speak Ukrainian (as opposed to Russian), you may be able to find a diaspora Ukrainian who would be willing to employ you.

Agree completely. I saw 'auto electrician'. With good english and depending on your skill level you should have no problem finding a job.

[Chelseaboy]

Natasha,

               I know the Hot Russian Brides site well,so i will give you my perspective as a male user.

What i say will not apply to all the female users of the site of course..so don't take anything i say personally or be offended 

It is believed by many men that girls get paid to chat on that site..so their motives are not to find a possible husband but purely to earn money out of the men using that site.

Men pay around USD 1 a minute to chat with a girl who is on webcam on that site..so the potential for fraud from the girl/agency is clear.

It is also believed that when girls don't appear on webcam when chatting,then it is a girl not present fraud..whereby an agency interpreter is actually doing the chatting and pretending to be the girl in the photos.

I can confirm i saw girls on a video reel on webcam,which means a pre-recorded video was used to give the impression the girl is chatting,when it's actually an agency interpreter doing the chatting...another fraud.

I can confirm that girls asked me to buy gifts for them through that site,because they claimed they liked me so much..ranging from flowers to USD 170 for a SPA...and this is before i'd ever met them in the real world..sometimes even in the first chat with them.
Of course i declined,but other more gullible men may well have agreed to that,which earns the girl/agency money.

I received word for word identical letters from some girls..on different days and these were not Introduction letters....so another fraud...clearly the "girls" letters were being written by agency staff.

I actually met a girl in Kiev through that site,paid USD 15 an hour for her interpreter,as she claimed her English was bad,before she forgot herself and made the mistake of speaking perfect English on our second day together..i later found out that girl was busily taking USD 20,000 from a Canadian man over a two year period,whilst seeing me and other foreign men behind his back.

I discovered girls who were already married on that site,pretending to be single,and other girls who were already engaged to be married.

So yes..fraud is prevalent on that site,and it's a minefield for a man trying to ascertain which are the sincere and honest girls on there.

All this in no way condones the insults you have been given by men on there.

Ignore the idiots on there and concentrate on the decent men.

[Boethius]

Agree completely. I saw 'auto electrician'. With good english and depending on your skill level you should have no problem finding a job.

Just to clarify, to emigrate to Canada on her own under the "skilled workers" class, Natasha would need to secure a job as part of her immigration.  She may be able to emigrate independently without a job, but the skilled workers class emigration is a fast track.

[Gator]

Natasha,

In your words I see a good woman who is very mature for her young age.  Take your time.

I believe you are better than Hot Russian Brides (HRB).   I feel that most men who use HRB are attracted primarily by the photos of sexy women. 

Even if you feel you must stay with HRB for now, I suggest you list yourself on some of the free dating sites (see ML's list).    Using a short first name (not last name) and your "photos from real life."    I doubt HRB will recognize the "photos from real life."

On these other sites, men will write (or Skype) directly with you rather than having their email filtered through the agency.  Smart men know this is better than HRB, and you do want an intelligent man. 

[Steamer]

Just to clarify, to emigrate to Canada on her own under the "skilled workers" class, Natasha would need to secure a job as part of her immigration.  She may be able to emigrate independently without a job, but the skilled workers class emigration is a fast track.

Understood. She needs to understand that ability needs to surpass cute. Guys are a dime a dozen but a job is everything.

[Steamer]

Just to clarify, to emigrate to Canada on her own under the "skilled workers" class, Natasha would need to secure a job as part of her immigration.  She may be able to emigrate independently without a job, but the skilled workers class emigration is a fast track.

 OK job first, but that's by herself, K1?

[Natali_Tsymbalyuk]

Natasha,

               I know the Hot Russian Brides site well,so i will give you my perspective as a male user.

What i say will not apply to all the female users of the site of course..so don't take anything i say personally or be offended 

It is believed by many men that girls get paid to chat on that site..so their motives are not to find a possible husband but purely to earn money out of the men using that site.

Men pay around USD 1 a minute to chat with a girl who is on webcam on that site..so the potential for fraud from the girl/agency is clear.

It is also believed that when girls don't appear on webcam when chatting,then it is a girl not present fraud..whereby an agency interpreter is actually doing the chatting and pretending to be the girl in the photos.

I can confirm i saw girls on a video reel on webcam,which means a pre-recorded video was used to give the impression the girl is chatting,when it's actually an agency interpreter doing the chatting...another fraud.

I can confirm that girls asked me to buy gifts for them through that site,because they claimed they liked me so much..ranging from flowers to USD 170 for a SPA...and this is before i'd ever met them in the real world..sometimes even in the first chat with them.
Of course i declined,but other more gullible men may well have agreed to that,which earns the girl/agency money.

I received word for word identical letters from some girls..on different days and these were not Introduction letters....so another fraud...clearly the "girls" letters were being written by agency staff.

I actually met a girl in Kiev through that site,paid USD 15 an hour for her interpreter,as she claimed her English was bad,before she forgot herself and made the mistake of speaking perfect English on our second day together..i later found out that girl was busily taking USD 20,000 from a Canadian man over a two year period,whilst seeing me and other foreign men behind his back.

I discovered girls who were already married on that site,pretending to be single,and other girls who were already engaged to be married.

So yes..fraud is prevalent on that site,and it's a minefield for a man trying to ascertain which are the sincere and honest girls on there.

All this in no way condones the insults you have been given by men on there.

Ignore the idiots on there and concentrate on the decent men.

I heard something similar ..
I also had a meeting with several men. From them I learned a lot (they tell of encounters with other girls) .Ob which I can speak for a long time ...
I'll tell you some stories.
1 girl, after a meeting with a man who asked for money for a taxi. He gave her the money. Then he decided to follow her. But she did not call a taxi. Instead, she sat down in the subway (This story happened in Kiev).
2. Istoiya from Nikolaev. Meet a man with a girl. They are a little walk. Then she said that she had shoes to rub her feet. The man offered to buy other shoes. She believed it to the store. In the store, she began to try on different clothes. She wanted what he would buy her clothes. The total cost of clothing was 7000 griven.On said it was too expensive (he himself did not spend so much). But she tear on clothing label. Prodaets said that they have to buy all things. He gave her a 700 hryvnia and left.
3. the most common. Girls appointments only in an expensive restaurant. in the restaurant, they barely communicate. The girl usually only speak with an interpreter or look in the phone. Then ask to buy different things ...
 Unfortunately a lot of girls behaving badly. Because of their bad impression on all the girls from Ukraine. I am ashamed of them. Because of them suffer other normal girl. But how to fix it?

[Natali_Tsymbalyuk]

Natasha,

In your words I see a good woman who is very mature for her young age.  Take your time.

I believe you are better than Hot Russian Brides (HRB).   I feel that most men who use HRB are attracted primarily by the photos of sexy women. 

Even if you feel you must stay with HRB for now, I suggest you list yourself on some of the free dating sites (see ML's list).    Using a short first name (not last name) and your "photos from real life."    I doubt HRB will recognize the "photos from real life."

On these other sites, men will write (or Skype) directly with you rather than having their email filtered through the agency.  Smart men know this is better than HRB, and you do want an intelligent man.

Thank you for your words and for the advice

[Faux Pas]

 Unfortunately a lot of girls behaving badly. Because of their bad impression on all the girls from Ukraine. I am ashamed of them. Because of them suffer other normal girl. But how to fix it?

Welcome to RWD Natasha!
You do not fix it. You do not apologize for it. You just try to accomplish your goals within it. HRB has a bad reputation as a place where there are many of these girls. As you know, there are also plenty of insincere, hate filled and disrespectful men. Those men are plentiful at agencies such as HRB also.

You should know that most men who spend money in such agencies as HRB are not looking for a pen pal or friend. Most are looking for either a wife or looking to play games and fuel their fantasies. Many of these men seek out younger women and specifically, younger women who say that age does not matter.

[LAman]

Hi Natasha!!


Only the best looking girls live in Odesa!!! Yes, I do love your city.....the people and culture and of course the beaches!!

I read through most of the posts here. Lot to digest. Seems you have to decide how much of your online site stuff you want to control. An agency is one way to help you, many guys here only see the part from the man's perspective, Natasha, you choose whether you feel you are being helped or not, that should be your biggest decision. At your age, you have plenty of time to just see what is out there....... plus this avenue gives you a chance to  improve your English skills. Life is always a learning experience. I wish you Good Luck!!

***Many guys here advise other men to AVOID Odesa.

[lordtiberius]

Nat,

I think its cool that you are out here chilling saying "Wassup?"

Since a lot of dudes here are giving advice, I thought I would chime in.

1) All the men here are weird.  Find the coolest one. 

2) All men here fear scammers and professional daters.  You should fear emotional parasites.  A woman's time is more valuable than a man's.  Youth and beauty don't last forever.  You want to weed through the chaff and find out who is real.  Most Americans aren't serious about commitment.  They don't know themselves or know what they are looking for.  You have to identify and by pass these men.  We call them in America douche bags.  Stay away from the douche bags.

I will tell you a story.  I knew a guy who talked to a Ukrainian woman for 2 years before his first visit and then he moved on.  Douche bag

I knew another guy in his late 50s  living in Kiev who still thought he could pull 19 year old chics.  He was rich.  He inherited his money didn't work a day in his life.  He couldn't meet a new woman because he couldn't accept that the woman he should have married left him and married another man.  They have kids.  Douche bag.

Avoid douche bags by only talking to dudes who have already planned a trip and will arrive in a month.  Skype as soon as possible.  If you aren't feeling this dude, drop him.

3. The hardest part of this for you will be coming to America.  America is a melting pot.  We have Polish communities, Mexican, Arabs but unless you live in Brighton Beach or Miami, almost no Russians. No one will speak your language and that kind of isolation is very painful.  We have a lot of cool stuff in America.  But we are a strange people and that adjustment will get better with time or if you get pregnant.

Hope this helps.

[BillyB]

I registered the hotrussianbrides (http://www.hotrussianbrides.com/russian-brides/profile-542311.aspx)
On this site I half year. When I turned to the agency REGISTER me there in the first place.

I remember some people on the forum years ago saying they can't see the HRB(hotrussianbrides) website in Ukraine but you can see it.


Your agency registered you on HRB? Was it HRB that named you "Wild Energy" or did you give yourself that name? You won't find a lot of serious men on that site with that name but you will find men who look for wild women. Choose other sites to look for men. Welcome to the forum.

[RoboCop]

Nat,

I think its cool that you are out here chilling saying "Wassup?"

Since a lot of dudes here are giving advice, I thought I would chime in.

1) All the men here are weird.  Find the coolest one. 

2) All men here fear scammers and professional daters.  You should fear emotional parasites.  A woman's time is more valuable than a man's.  Youth and beauty don't last forever.  You want to weed through the chaff and find out who is real.  Most Americans aren't serious about commitment.  They don't know themselves or know what they are looking for.  You have to identify and by pass these men.  We call them in America douche bags.  Stay away from the douche bags.

I will tell you a story.  I knew a guy who talked to a Ukrainian woman for 2 years before his first visit and then he moved on.  Douche bag

I knew another guy in his late 50s  living in Kiev who still thought he could pull 19 year old chics.  He was rich.  He inherited his money didn't work a day in his life.  He couldn't meet a new woman because he couldn't accept that the woman he should have married left him and married another man.  They have kids.  Douche bag.

Avoid douche bags by only talking to dudes who have already planned a trip and will arrive in a month.  Skype as soon as possible.  If you aren't feeling this dude, drop him.

3. The hardest part of this for you will be coming to America.  America is a melting pot.  We have Polish communities, Mexican, Arabs but unless you live in Brighton Beach or Miami, almost no Russians. No one will speak your language and that kind of isolation is very painful.  We have a lot of cool stuff in America.  But we are a strange people and that adjustment will get better with time or if you get pregnant.

Hope this helps.

I concur. Maybe not exactly a month, whenever I flew to the FSU I had to give my leave request to work at least 2 months in advance, but yeah, if a guy isn't planning to travel to see you, move on to the next.

[AC]

I remember some people on the forum years ago saying they can't see the HRB(hotrussianbrides) website in Ukraine but you can see it.


Your agency registered you on HRB? Was it HRB that named you "Wild Energy" or did you give yourself that name? You won't find a lot of serious men on that site with that name but you will find men who look for wild women. Choose other sites to look for men. Welcome to the forum.

I like the name "wild energy".  I think an English version of what she means might be "free spirit".  Natasha, I agree that it would be better for you if you had a profile at a more legitimate agency.

I would suggest Elena's Models.  I believe you would have more success at finding real men who are not playing games with you, or displaying rude behavior, at this agency.  I would also suggest that you put a maximum age of 30 for your potential boyfriend or husband. 

Why?  Because if a man sees the statement "age does not matter" or age up to 50, and you are only 22 years of age, the man may feel that you are a potential "scammer" who will date anyone for financial advantage.  I hope this makes sense to you.

[mendeleyev]

This group http://vk.com/just_eng  (there are too many with similar names)?

Yes, that is the one. 

[mendeleyev]

LT:

1) All the men here are weird.  Find the coolest one.

LT, thanks for the "props" but alas, I am already married. 

[lordtiberius]

LT:
LT, thanks for the "props" but alas, I am already married. 

I know.  Alas, this poor girl will have to make do, somehow

[LiveFromUkraine]

Hello everyone!
My name is Natasha and I am from Odessa)
I learned about this site from my American friend. So I decided to find out - that men think about Ukrainian girls.
I often see strange letters from men, accusations and suspicions of fraud. At first I did not understand it. But later find out that a lot of girls to deceive men. Because of this men do not trust girls and check them different ways or just insult. That's why I decided to register on this site. I want to understand the thinking of men. And the way to show that I do not deserve unwarranted accusations.
Besides, I'll be glad to answer any your questions)))
I hope that we can understand each other better

PS My knowledge of English is very poor (I use Google translator). I hope you understand me correctly. And I'll be glad to any of your fixes (I will not be offended if you point out my error).

Welcome Natali. 


Yes, there are some scammers online but that doesn't excuse accusations towards you.  No need to feel bad because of what other women are doing.  You are not responsible for anyone but yourself.


If a man accuses you of scamming, just say goodbye to him.  He is telling you he isn't worth dating.  As others have said, many men will waste a woman's time.  They have no intention of visiting. 


Trust your instincts and you always have us to ask questions.  We will argue about it, but most here are interested in helping others. 


LAMan is making me miss Odessa after reading some of his posts.  May be a summer trip is in order. 

[jone]

Good Morning, Natalia,

Welcome to our forum.  There is one distinction that you should be aware of, yet even some of our established membership does not recognize the distinction:

An Aggregator is a company that accumulates profiles from many agencies on a website.  Hot Russian Brides and Anastasia Date are both Aggregators.  The local agency that took your pictures and posted them on the aggregator is what we normally refer to as an 'Agency'. 

Agencies get paid by the Aggregators.  The Aggregators that pay the Agencies the most money are the Pay-per-letter (PPL) and Pay-per-chat (PPC) sites like Anastasia Date. 

We have had men who have come on this forum who have spent over $25,000 USD to talk and chat on the PPL and PPC sites.  These men will never meet the women of their dreams and they are being scammed. 

Then there are the sincere men who wish to talk to women directly.   Sites to meet women from your country that do not try to steal from the men are much more honorable.  Typically, these are not PPL or PPC sites and do not collect money from men every time they send you a letter or chat with you.  Instead they charge a monthly subscription fee.  The fee for the monthly subscription on, say, Elena's Models, is around $40.00 USD.  That is the price of one conversation on HRB or A-Date.

Elena's, for instance, will allow you to exchange emails and phone numbers.  This does not happen on A-Date or HRB. 

I noticed in your earlier postings that you put that your agency provides you with security.  I ask you 'what security?'

When I was dating women, I used both sites like A-Date and Elena's.  I can tell you from experience that I am not aware of anyone on Elena's ever having trouble with security on their system.  Either you like the guy and give out your personal information, or you don't.

You should also know that it is very easy to find you on VK.  Anyone who is serious about looking for you knows just where to find you.  (Have you joined in any tattoo contests lately?)  I guess I am trying to tell you that providing security to you from an agency is a myth. 

Your best chance to meet honest and good men are on a subscription site where you can decide whether to give out your personal information.  Your agency will steer you away from such a site because the agency typically does not get paid, or only gets paid a fraction of what they would get if you stay on a PPL or PPC site.

Your best option, however, may be to come, as Boe suggested, to Canada or the States, sponsored in your field, and meet men through normal dating means.   

Many of the men on this forum, like myself, are already in committed relationships and will give honest advice without trying to play an angle. 

Udachi!

[LiveFromUkraine]

Many of the men on this forum, like myself, are already in committed relationships and will give honest advice without trying to play an angle. 

Udachi!

lol   I don't think any long termed forum member here, whether they be in a committed relationship or not, are trying to play an angle.

[Natali_Tsymbalyuk]

I remember some people on the forum years ago saying they can't see the HRB(hotrussianbrides) website in Ukraine but you can see it.


Your agency registered you on HRB? Was it HRB that named you "Wild Energy" or did you give yourself that name? You won't find a lot of serious men on that site with that name but you will find men who look for wild women. Choose other sites to look for men. Welcome to the forum.

my nickname came up I did not. I went to the agency. There have basic information about me. Then I went home. They register a me. Name they come up with themselves not interested in what I want.A week later, my profile has been approved. They say my password to access the site. Only later did I find out - what my nickname. I ask - can I change it? They said yes. I then propose several new options to name. But they were denied (they were already on the site. That's why I could not use them again. They are busy). why I decided not to change the name.

[Hammer2722]

my nickname came up I did not. I went to the agency. There have basic information about me. Then I went home. They register a me. Name they come up with themselves not interested in what I want.A week later, my profile has been approved. They say my password to access the site. Only later did I find out - what my nickname. I ask - can I change it? They said yes. I then propose several new options to name. But they were denied (they were already on the site. That's why I could not use them again. They are busy). why I decided not to change the name.

Wow, it seems like you have no control over your own profile. You should definitely close that account and sign up with some of the sites that have already been suggested here. 

[Seekrr15]

Nat,

I think its cool that you are out here chilling saying "Wassup?"

Since a lot of dudes here are giving advice, I thought I would chime in.

1) All the men here are weird.  Find the coolest one. 

2) All men here fear scammers and professional daters.  You should fear emotional parasites.  A woman's time is more valuable than a man's.  Youth and beauty don't last forever.  You want to weed through the chaff and find out who is real.  Most Americans aren't serious about commitment.  They don't know themselves or know what they are looking for.  You have to identify and by pass these men.  We call them in America douche bags.  Stay away from the douche bags.

I will tell you a story.  I knew a guy who talked to a Ukrainian woman for 2 years before his first visit and then he moved on.  Douche bag

I knew another guy in his late 50s  living in Kiev who still thought he could pull 19 year old chics.  He was rich.  He inherited his money didn't work a day in his life.  He couldn't meet a new woman because he couldn't accept that the woman he should have married left him and married another man.  They have kids.  Douche bag.

Avoid douche bags by only talking to dudes who have already planned a trip and will arrive in a month.  Skype as soon as possible.  If you aren't feeling this dude, drop him.

3. The hardest part of this for you will be coming to America.  America is a melting pot.  We have Polish communities, Mexican, Arabs but unless you live in Brighton Beach or Miami, almost no Russians. No one will speak your language and that kind of isolation is very painful.  We have a lot of cool stuff in America.  But we are a strange people and that adjustment will get better with time or if you get pregnant.

Hope this helps.

LMAO - Somehow I have this picture in my head of a beautiful model named Natasha coming to Can/US in the not-too-distant future and spewing out  "You Doucha Bag!" expletives to any and all men that cross her. Watch what you say to ESL girls - they may take you literally (or maybe that was the point?)