My story of Russian women with pics

[msmobyone]

My house has a garden, you need a front and back garden, not everyone wants to live in a prison. Plus room sizes need to be adequate, depends. Anyways i wouldn't want to raise my family in enfield.

Edit
I should if specified, detached houses.

still busted

http://tinyurl.com/dk-still-busted
422 properties with 'gardens' on one site

[dragonkid]

still busted

http://tinyurl.com/dk-still-busted
422 properties with 'gardens' on one site

Those areas are in the outskirts in london, enfield is considered cheapest and most dangerous parts of london.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/

[dragonkid]

I think few decent girls ask that much and letting on how wealthy you may be has the danger of attracting girls after you for your money rather than wanting to be with you whatever. Money talk or displays of wealth, expensive gifts etc is just a mistake I feel.

I think any woman that wants to move to your country will expect you to improve her standards of living prior. You need to realise that these women want a better life. Some women are in different financial situations, my ex could find rich men, but they were too old (40-50's russians), she needed a man that was stable, loved her, and was some what attractive. My ex and a few others i know are i very good financial situation. I never showered my ex in gifts, i bought her flowers twice, and her mum some vodka. My ex never liked me buying her the flowers, told me not to spend anything till we were married. I read a few stories of girls asking guys to buy them stuff, i even got a message from a girl hinting that i should send her a gift as women's day was approaching, those are the women you abort.

[msmobyone]

Those areas are in the outskirts in london, enfield is considered cheapest and most dangerous parts of london.

 

DK Enfield is NOT considered 'dangerous or unsafe' 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/crime-statistics-for-enfield-3217283

Now, deal with the other 421 properties I found with gardens, that are detached and cost less than your'cheapest' ..

[mies]

She wanted a guy from UK because of the social security to raise kids, well at least she was honest, lol. I see her point but I didn't want a girl that would be with me with that such a high priority on her list so I stopped communication with her. Money wise an odd few girls probably stopped communication with me once they saw I was not at the top in my career, did me a favour of course as I want one focused on wanting family not on materialism.

If I were searching for a partner, I would rather date a person who has realistic views and plans, not dreams. That was always my approach. But that's me, and I understand that other people may be different and have other preferences.

Woman who wants family always thinks materialistically. Unless you are talking about immaterial children, who do not need to be fed and dressed and taken to activity classes and then sent to college. 

Hobbies which I described are not material: activities, cultural life, social life. But they are key factors defining quality of life.

USSR was a very peculiar place. So is FSU.
On my latest visit I had some free time and decided to attend shows in all major theaters and concert halls in Kyiv. I was their regular audience years back when I lived in Kyiv, and I wanted to revive that memory. The quality of performances was quite good: some were superb, others were average. I wasn't disappointed. What came as a big shock to me: the toilets. Not a single one of those theaters or concert halls had decent women's toilet. They were clean, that's all. One concert hall had "holes" like this one: http://www.amable.be/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/frans-toilet.jpg (and there was a paper roll somewhere in the vicinity). The drama theater midway between Khreschatyk and Opera House had a toilet that looked like this: http://homemasters.ru/uploads/monthly_10_2011/post-3509-1319655161.jpg, there was also a toilet brush, and nothing else. No toilet paper, not even a place where toilet paper can be attached. Similar situation was in all other places. It gave me a sense of bad comedy: you are standing in the foyer, or by the ticket office, in the tight crowd of refined people, women in mink coats, dressed well, perfumes, make-up, gold jewelry, high heels, age range: 16-75 distributed uniformly, beautiful young females, many middle-age married couples. All tickets are sold out, every night, every concert hall sells out their performances (I checked). Then you go to the toilet, and you see the same refined women and they have to use these horrendous toilets. Would you call this "the life of luxury" as BillyB put it? I doubt it qualifies as a luxury. Is it material? No. It's not a house, yacht, or car, or designer clothes. You do not take home anything from the concert other than a happiness (if the concert was good).
All those years that I live in the West, I had the warmest memories of the Kyiv concert halls, but I had 0 recollection of the state of their toilets. You do not pay attention to the lack of comfort if it is part of your everyday life. And you remember and love all the nice things in that life, especially if basic comfort/conveniences were missing.
Then you take a woman from Ukraine, bring her somewhere to USA, to a smaller town. There are clean decent toilets at every gas station and no concert halls in the radius of 5+ -hour drive. Is this an improvement? Perhaps. But some people find it difficult to adjust to the change. The woman says: "ok, clean toilets with soft white toilet paper are nice, but where is the opera house and concert hall?"
In what proportion do you equate those?

[mies]

My reaction to the above:

1. warning flag: never married and past 35 . Something is not quite right about this girl. >>> let's say she was in a long-term relationship but was not formally married, and has no kids from that relationship because her ex-bf didn't want kids. He ex-bf was same type as Dragonkid "I want to be together but I do not believe in marriage." After they broke up he was married and with a kid, in less than a year, with a girl 15 years his junior. He was local, not a foreigner. She is a nice woman, slim (thanks to the sports and massages), attractive, easy to be with, no mood swings, no drama.

2. Over 35, wants kids, never had a kid before.  Chances of conception: very low. She should have been looking 8 years ago. >>>> would have, should have... we all say that occasionally. 8 years ago she still was with her bf/partner, and he was saying "I am not ready to have kids yet, let's live for ourselves, maybe later". The main reason why she is looking abroad is because she thinks foreign men are more family-oriented (I have no idea why does she think that).

3. Gym and swimming pool: not expensive. >> several hundred $$/mo in my case, add apparel etc.
Horse-riding: sometimes expensive (depends really on what it means ->>> that means a proper English style horse riding on well-trained riding horse, it also means all the equipment, and sometimes - instructor.  $100+ /hour where I live. Plus apparel/equipment expenses.
Regular massage: not expensive. >>> $80-120/hour where I live. She needs them at least twice weekly.

4. What is expensive: ballet, theater. If living near a University or city > 1 million, classical music won't be expensive. But then again, cities of > 1 million are more expensive to live in. >>> what is the ticket price? how often are the concerts? do you need to drive to get there and will you be willing do drive your wife?

5. If she is willing to work part-time, it may help with her adjustment to USA and should let her afford many small comforts/little luxuries.
>>> she has a university degree and white-collar type of job in downtown Kyiv. What part-time jobs would be available for her in your area? She is fluent in English and good with numbers.

6. Vacations abroad : if just "somewhere warm for 10 days during the winter, by some water" easy. If "2 weeks in Italy including Madrid and listening to opera" more difficult. >>> usually one vacation in warm & cheap place, one - a "museum tour" to Europe, also modest (within her income).

I would say at a minimum to satisfy this, you are talking $75K in a "less expensive" city and $100K in a "more expensive city".  If in California, New Jersey, or Miami, $125K - which puts the man in the "top 5% of earners" across the USA.
>>> That's pretty much what I told her, and told her that by US standards this is a high income, or very high income. She told me she doesn't need a man with high income, average income will be OK, she is not materialistic, the things she likes to do are not expensive because even she, a single woman in Ukraine with an average-paying job, can afford them.

Unless the man is 55+ he will look for younger than late 30s IMHO. >>> Does a 55yo want kids?

The story of this woman was used to illustrate how WM and FSUW define "luxury", "high maintenance", and "non-materialistic" in a VERY different way.
This is why, in my opinion, a WM needs to talk with FSUW about money before she comes to his country, and be honest about what he can and want, or cannot or doesn't want to pay for.

[2tallbill]

The story of this woman was used to illustrate how WM and FSUW define "luxury", "high maintenance", and
"non-materialistic" in a VERY different way. This is why a WM needs to talk with woman about money before
she comes to his country, and be honest about what he can and want, or cannot or doesn't want to pay for.

They need to have many, many conversations about everything under the sun. The worst mistake among
the foreign bride seekers is marrying a girl that they don't know. Ask, ask, ask, ask, ask, and then ask
more questions. A man should know his girls opinion on everything from astrology to tattoos to which side
of the bed she wants to sleep on in different situations. He should know her view on what goes in the
refrigerator and what goes in the pantry. He should know at least 50 things that she can't stand and at
least a 100 things that make her happy. You only know 49 things that she can't stand? then you aren't
ready to marry the girl!!! You are strangers if you only know 49 things.

Just my two kopecks,

Bill

PS Bonus if you share 40+ of the things that you can't stand

[mies]

They need to have many, many conversations about everything under the sun. The worst mistake among
the foreign bride seekers is marrying a girl that they don't know. Ask, ask, ask, ask, ask, and then ask
more questions. A man should know his girls opinion on everything from astrology to tattoos to which side
of the bed she wants to sleep on in different situations. He should know her view on what goes in the
refrigerator and what goes in the pantry. He should know at least 50 things that she can't stand and at
least a 100 things that make her happy. You only know 49 things that she can't stand? then you aren't
ready to marry the girl!!! You are strangers if you only know 49 things.

Just my two kopecks,

Bill

PS Bonus if you share 40+ of the things that you can't stand

 bravo!

[ML]

Big Bill, I made less than $12,000 last year of employment income.

[dragonkid]

still busted

http://tinyurl.com/dk-still-busted
422 properties with 'gardens' on one site

I know where i live you don't, property prices change depending on the street, room sizes, number of bedrooms, garden. Look at the link, they are even further away from central compare to my house. I know about the london property market a lot more than you, if £2.5k for a decent house in a bad area alarms you in london, you probably know zilch about london.

[dragonkid]

Big Bill, I made less than $12,000 last year of employment income.

But you live in ukraine, if i lived in russia and made that much, i would be considered a king. I am also guessing your OH has her own property? My ex said she would expect a man to earn around $400 a month where she lives so she could raise a family and live in comfort. I was talking to a russian who was considering to move to USA/UK , earning £3k a month in russia, he was thinking moving here would be better, till i told him what is costs.

[msmobyone]

I know where i live you don't, property prices change depending on the street, room sizes, number of bedrooms, garden. Look at the link, they are even further away from central compare to my house. I know about the london property market a lot more than you, if £2.5k for a decent house in a bad area alarms you in london, you probably know zilch about london.

DK

Keep it simple - you made a claim, kept moving the goalposts and STILL I found 422 places that proved you fibbed.

As my elder daughter lives in London - within 2.5miles from the City of London - you'll forgive me if I 'ave a 'larf at your expense..

[AnonMod]

I've removed the long links, as they changed the window reading pane.  Please break up long links, so as to avoid changing the reading pane.

Thank you.

[alex330]

The woman mies describes will find it hard to meet her other half, at least here in South Florida. She needs a man  making well over 100k and he will have his own demands playing at that level.

He will most likely be divorced and now wants to play with younger women. Those with flotation devices and 10-15 years younger than she is. Many will be players and not be the nicest guys.

Since she has not yet had children he may not want them at this stage. Or he already has his own from first marriage and has that expense. She may have missed that boat in life.

Since no kids he will want a woman who is an accomplished professional making a good income herself. That will ensure they can enjoy an even higher standard of living together.

[msmobyone]

But you live in ukraine,

 

I wasn't aware Colorado was in Ukraine ... DK knows best 

[Maxx2]

If I were searching for a partner, I would rather date a person who has realistic views and plans, not dreams. That was always my approach. But that's me, and I understand that other people may be different and have other preferences.

Woman who wants family always thinks materialistically. Unless you are talking about immaterial children, who do not need to be fed and dressed and taken to activity classes and then sent to college. 

Hobbies which I described are not material: activities, cultural life, social life. But they are key factors defining quality of life.

USSR was a very peculiar place. So is FSU.
On my latest visit I had some free time and decided to attend shows in all major theaters and concert halls in Kyiv. I was their regular audience years back when I lived in Kyiv, and I wanted to revive that memory. The quality of performances was quite good: some were superb, others were average. I wasn't disappointed. What came as a big shock to me: the toilets. Not a single one of those theaters or concert halls had decent women's toilet. They were clean, that's all. One concert hall had "holes" like this one: http://www.amable.be/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/frans-toilet.jpg (and there was a paper roll somewhere in the vicinity). The drama theater midway between Khreschatyk and Opera House had a toilet that looked like this: http://homemasters.ru/uploads/monthly_10_2011/post-3509-1319655161.jpg, there was also a toilet brush, and nothing else. No toilet paper, not even a place where toilet paper can be attached. Similar situation was in all other places. It gave me a sense of bad comedy: you are standing in the foyer, or by the ticket office, in the tight crowd of refined people, women in mink coats, dressed well, perfumes, make-up, gold jewelry, high heels, age range: 16-75 distributed uniformly, beautiful young females, many middle-age married couples. All tickets are sold out, every night, every concert hall sells out their performances (I checked). Then you go to the toilet, and you see the same refined women and they have to use these horrendous toilets. Would you call this "the life of luxury" as BillyB put it? I doubt it qualifies as a luxury. Is it material? No. It's not a house, yacht, or car, or designer clothes. You do not take home anything from the concert other than a happiness (if the concert was good).
All those years that I live in the West, I had the warmest memories of the Kyiv concert halls, but I had 0 recollection of the state of their toilets. You do not pay attention to the lack of comfort if it is part of your everyday life. And you remember and love all the nice things in that life, especially if basic comfort/conveniences were missing.
Then you take a woman from Ukraine, bring her somewhere to USA, to a smaller town. There are clean decent toilets at every gas station and no concert halls in the radius of 5+ -hour drive. Is this an improvement? Perhaps. But some people find it difficult to adjust to the change. The woman says: "ok, clean toilets with soft white toilet paper are nice, but where is the opera house and concert hall?"
In what proportion do you equate those?

Wow! What a great post! I always thought the same thing. I decided to delete my observation of the 'toilets' and lack of privacy in the men's room.

[mies]

The woman mies describes will find it hard to meet her other half, at least here in South Florida. She needs a man  making well over 100k and he will have his own demands playing at that level.

He will most likely be divorced and now wants to play with younger women. Those with flotation devices and 10-15 years younger than she is. Many will be players and not be the nicest guys.

Since she has not yet had children he may not want them at this stage. Or he already has his own from first marriage and has that expense. She may have missed that boat in life.

Since no kids he will want a woman who is an accomplished professional making a good income herself. That will ensure they can enjoy an even higher standard of living together.

I agree. I think for her more realistic plan is to meet someone locally in Ukraine. Someone with a similar lifestyle, habits, income level.
Again, the key message of the story was: unless you discuss the finances before the FSUW comes to live in your country, both you and her will be surprised. Probably not in a good way. Add here different language, cultural shock, and you will start understanding why some of these women feel unhappy, their husbands feel unhappy, and international marriages end in divorce.

Now imagine a FM meets her on a dating site. Likes her. Visits her in Kyiv. She is not a gold-digger, I know for a fact. She has no problem paying her own bill in the cafe/restaurant, and will even insist on doing that, at times. She is smart, fun, generous. She will say she wants family and children. She will mention that she does all of those things in free time but will not be pushing this subject because to her it seems that those things are available and affordable everywhere. Then she comes to US. (or UK, or EU). ...

[alex330]

I agree. I think for her more realistic plan is to meet someone locally in Ukraine. Someone with a similar lifestyle, habits, income level.
Again, the key message of the post was: unless you discuss the finances before the FSUW comes to live in your country, both you and her will be surprised. Probably not in a good way. Add here different language, cultural shock, and you will start understanding why some of these women feel unhappy, their husbands feel unhappy, and international marriages end in divorce.

You bring up very valid points on the differences.

Had my wife known about many of the differences and struggles before moving to the US she would have probably gone another route. We have discussed this at length. Luckily we are happy together or she would be gone.

She speaks to women back home in Ukraine who are envious of her apparent lifestyle here in the US until she explains to them how it really works. They are very surprised and realize the grass is not always greener over here.

[jone]

Maybe you feel you have to lead with your wallet to make up for something else....but it sure isn't necessary to make 100K minimum salary to be qualified to give it a go with a woman from E. Europe.  There are lots guys that can make less, and be just fine. 


Your numbers are way off, and are just an indirect way to let people know you are 'wealthy' and others aren't worthy of travelling to 'your' Eastern Europe.  Straight hogwash!   


Fathertime!

My advice is that if an individual does not make 100K he probably shouldn't participate in an FSUW search.  It is a simple statement.  If you think 100K is wealthy, then I suggest you rethink your projections.  My children will make 100k out of college on their own merit.

The assertion that I made is not ridiculous in that: 1. I stated that it is an opinion; 2.  There are exceptions.

But for someone staring at the eye candy on various websites, I would stand by that assertion as I do now.  You can bend numbers any way you choose, in food, or cars or whatever.  But I know many families in the small town that I grew up in.  Dual incomes in that small town make for 100k and with the kids they are barely making it.

FatherTime ignores the fact that while searchers on the forum wish to step up in terms of age and beauty, a woman in the FSU also wishes to step in terms of security and lifestyle.  If the man is unable to provide that perceived requirement, then he is most likely doomed to failure.  I should also point out that FatherTime secured his spouse from South America.  The 'Pereceived' standard of living in the country he found his wife, in my opinion, is lower than the required perceptions of the FSU women that I have encountered.  (Yes, I know many women from South America and dated Latinas.  They are beautiful and warm women.)

So pardon me for pulling your fu manchu beard that you had when you met your wife, but I find your statements, as well, to be ridiculous.  As for what money I make or don't make, I believe I have never disclosued such on the forum, nor would I.  Are you intimidated?  Do you stay awake at night thinking of me?  For many reading the forum, they sure think you do.

Jone!  Muah!

[mies]

Here is a blog about current life in Ukrainian occupied (by Russia) territories, real-life stories written by a person who lives there: http://allbeukraine.blogspot.com/2016/04/2_15.html
It is in Russian, google translation is quite OK - one can understand what's going on. Author's identity has been verified, she is a real person, the stories (at least some) cross-checked.
At the territories which are not occupied there are many families from which men were drafted, many of those drafted were killed in combat, or killed in captivity, or returned wounded. Those who returned physically OK are traumatized psychologically. There are many refugees, many of whom have severe PTSD. Even people who try to distance themselves from what's going on in the country are still affected by the events: financially and psychologically. 
I do not think any Western press has proper coverage of what's really happening in Ukraine. There are many other topics to talk about: Syria, elections, migration crisis in EU.

[jone]

Here is a blog about current life in Ukrainian occupied (by Russia) territories, real-life stories written by a person who lives there: http://allbeukraine.blogspot.com/2016/04/2_15.html
It is in Russian, google translation is quite OK - one can understand what's going on. Author's identity has been verified, she is a real person, the stories (at least some) cross-checked.
At the territories which are not occupied there are many families from which men were drafted, many of those drafted were killed in combat, or killed in captivity, or returned wounded. Those who returned physically OK are traumatized psychologically. There are many refugees, many of whom have severe PTSD. Even people who try to distance themselves from what's going on in the country are still affected by the events: financially and psychologically. 
I do not think any Western press has proper coverage of what's really happening in Ukraine. There are many other topics to talk about: Syria, elections, migration crisis in EU.

I have talked to several people in Luhansk.  They report that things are relatively stable there now.  However, she tells a compelling story.  And one that should be heeded by the rest of Ukraine as the Separatist forces are attempting to enlarge their territory. 

Mods-this is significant enough that it should not be hidden in this thread.

[jone]

By the way, at the time of Maidan, a number of people dressed up and marched around with Nazi uniforms on.  These were later discovered to be paid plants.  Typical Russian ploy - the one reason that the Russians used to invade Eastern Ukraine was the Nazification of Kyiv and the pictures on TV of these stooges walking around in Nazi outfits.

[fathertime]

My advice is that if an individual does not make 100K he probably shouldn't participate in an FSUW search.  It is a simple statement.  If you think 100K is wealthy, then I suggest you rethink your projections.  My children will make 100k out of college on their own merit.

The assertion that I made is not ridiculous in that: 1. I stated that it is an opinion; 2.  There are exceptions.

 

You are walking back your original post that I responded to.   Here is the first ridiculous post, which you have now walked back in the wake of the valid comments received! 

Muzh,I know that Mies means well with that post, but, the type of guys she's targeting should not even dream of going over to Eastern Europe to look for a woman.  Unless you are making at least over $100,000 a year, this endeavor is not for you.  Go look at the Walmarts of America, instead.

 

But for someone staring at the eye candy on various websites, I would stand by that assertion as I do now.  You can bend numbers any way you choose, in food, or cars or whatever.  But I know many families in the small town that I grew up in.  Dual incomes in that small town make for 100k and with the kids they are barely making it.
 

Sounds like unverifiable BS, small town living can be very cost efficient.  In addition you are  moving the goalposts when you NOW talk about dual income, which can create additional childcare expenses.  Your original statement was that a man shouldn't even bother if he isn't making 100k or more. 

 

FatherTime ignores the fact that while searchers on the forum wish to step up in terms of age and beauty, a woman in the FSU also wishes to step in terms of security and lifestyle.  If the man is unable to provide that perceived requirement, then he is most likely doomed to failure. 

 

No I didn't ignore that women are usually interested in stepping forward in terms of security and lifestyle...that is a given in many cases.  Coming out of the gate, 100k or more is NOT a requirement.  There are couples that do fine on much much less. 

 

So pardon me for pulling your fu manchu beard that you had when you met your wife, but I find your statements, as well, to be ridiculous.  As for what money I make or don't make, I believe I have never disclosued such on the forum, nor would I.  Are you intimidated?  Do you stay awake at night thinking of me?  For many reading the forum, they sure think you do.

Jone!  Muah!

Funny that your first response was soooo defensive and refusing to divulge anything about your reasoning... now suddenly it has all been flushed out!   

Who cares about your income, or what you think your children's income will be?  Why would you think that I would be impressed/intimidated?  I just chuckle about the obvious innuendo you use to try to elevate yourself.    My original inquiry was politely asking for some backup to your ridiculous all-inclusive statement, which you have now walked back sufficiently enough....probably because you began to recognize how insulting it could be perceived by certain women that you lumped all together.  I'm curious how much further you walk back the statement. 




Fathertime!   

[ML]

I wasn't aware Colorado was in Ukraine ... DK knows best 

Haven't you heard of tectonic plates movement?

Actually I have homes in 3 states . . . but none are Colorado.

[ML]

Here is a blog about current life in Ukrainian occupied (by Russia) territories, real-life stories written by a person who lives there: http://allbeukraine.blogspot.com/2016/04/2_15.html
It is in Russian, google translation is quite OK - one can understand what's going on. Author's identity has been verified, she is a real person, the stories (at least some) cross-checked.
At the territories which are not occupied there are many families from which men were drafted, many of those drafted were killed in combat, or killed in captivity, or returned wounded. Those who returned physically OK are traumatized psychologically. There are many refugees, many of whom have severe PTSD. Even people who try to distance themselves from what's going on in the country are still affected by the events: financially and psychologically. 
I do not think any Western press has proper coverage of what's really happening in Ukraine. There are many other topics to talk about: Syria, elections, migration crisis in EU.

Mies, I could have used your support last week or so when I spoke badly about the Russian aggressors.  I was taken to task here by the lovers of this Russian aggression.