RW's at 40+

[jb]

Can we stop being so mean spirited here?

vwrw started it.....

[Turboguy]

jb, Nice pic.  Handsome dude and beautiful lady.  I am not sure that qualifies for VWRW needing to eat her words though.   I think I see it about like Gator does.

Gator,  Yep, you are right.  My time spent perusing the over 40 crowd is very limited.   I will say this though.  Prior to this year I was mostly limiting my search to the younger crowd.  This year I decided to broaden the age range of ladies in my search and to be honest I was a little surprised that there were quite a few attractive older women.   Attractiveness was never the highest priority in my search.  I always felt if I found someone who was attractive that was a plus and as long as they were attractive to me, that was all I cared about.  As it turned out the one I found was very beautiful but I would feel the same about her if she were not so attractive.

I do agree with you Gator, the older crowd seems to often leave themselves go a bit.   Not as bad as American women do but still they do.  

Yes, I agree, someone who likes to eat at McDonald's is not likely an expert of fashion.   I am probably not an expert on gourmet foods or fine wines either.   I have been to the theater myself a few times in Moscow and elsewhere.  I can't say I have seen 70 or even a single older woman who was interesting but I have usually been with someone and when I am with someone, they get my attention.   To be honest, I never looked so I can't say one way or the other.  

My opinion on the subject is that there are some attractive older women.   I won't argue with that a bit.  As far as if they pull the cord any faster, I did not find that but my experiences are limited.

Michaelangelo, nice post and good point. 

jb,  Goosh.  That sounds like something a 5 year old would say. 

[Gator]

Michaelangelo,

Yes I did overreact because as you say - we are all different.  And you were kind compared to average anti-Muscovite man - thank you.

I think you have more work to do - my shoes cost more.  You probably get new ones once or twice per year while I still have one pair that are 15 years old.  Says something about English handmade shoes, my preference for classic style, and my infrequent adorning of dress attire.  I wear a suit maybe 5-7 times per year and a dress jacket maybe 10 times, so my shoes have low mileage (comparable to the 10 year old Benz with 41,000 miles).  My Moscow woman started to complain until she saw the price for new shoes.

Your McDonald's comment - I can not believe it.

[jb]

jb,  Goosh.  That sounds like something a 5 year old would say.

Only because I knew I was dealing with a childlike mentality.  After all, she's only 27.

I am not sure that qualifies for VWRW needing to eat her words though.

Yeah, kinda,,, she does.  She insulted all the older women who might be of interest to a man a bit more mature than you. Simply because she is the one who constantly denigrated 40+ y.o.'s as not worthy of attention.  There are a great many, and very worthy, 35-40+, and even older, women who would eat vwrw's lunch on any given day, intelligence wise.  Just because you are hung up on young and short skirts doesn't mean the rest of us are so stupid.

Hey! you are the one who will live with this mistake, not us.  Have fun while it lasts.

[Michelangelo]

Your McDonald's comment - I can not believe it.

The burger was quite nice, and recommened by diet Guru Jorge Cruise of the 3 Hour Diet fame.  You should try one sometimes 

My favorite is Italian, but an American burger hits the spot at times.

I would tell you about my other shoes, but someone here might call me a name-- like metrosesexual.

And those $300.00 shoes-- that was 300 euro :-(

[Turboguy]

Well let me start off by saying the shoes I am wearing cost $ 21.95 and came from WalMart.

A few hours ago I was thinking that it was a little quiet here.  I am glad we are getting back up to speed.

jb,  VWRW did not insult anyone.  She made an observation and gave her opinion.  Perhaps her standards are different than yours.  Actually in her last post all she did was quote Jack so why don't you call Jack a child instead  :noidea:

You are here posting statements that sound like they came from a 5 year old and in another thread you are threatening to get your 68 Mexicans and beat someone up and you think she has a childlike mentality?

There are a great many, and very worthy, 35-40+, and even older, women who would eat vwrw's lunch on any given day, intelligence wise.  Just because you are hung up on young and short skirts doesn't mean the rest of us are so stupid.

Hey! you are the one who will live with this mistake, not us.  Have fun while it lasts.

I have never met any woman who could eat VWRW's lunch intelligence wise and I have known a lot of really bright women.  Actually I am trying to remember if I have seen VWRW in a skirt sort or otherwise. 

Yes, I am really looking forward to living with my mistake, hopefully for a long, long time.


 

[SANDRO43]

Sandro, I do not believe Natasha’s words...

VWRW, I think Natasha is either confused, or has difficulty keeping track of her targets .
I omitted quoting from her 1st letter

And also I have very big negative feature, which I would like to correct. I am very poor in my English, I speak Spanish and I understand French. How are you in these languages?

I obliged by replying in Spanish and saying, among other things, that I unfortunately did not meet her financial "requirements" and wished her success in her quest.

Today she wrote me again, and concluded :

I think that in whole word it can be found out one man who can make me happy. If you decide to answer my letter, please, write in English.

How's that for consistency ?

[viking]

JB

You are a handsome and classy  man and your wife is very elegant looking. You two belong together. May I be so lucky one day.

[Bruno]

And also I have very big negative feature, which I would like to correct. I am very poor in my English, I speak Spanish and I understand French. How are you in these languages?

I obliged by replying in Spanish and saying, among other things, that I unfortunately did not meet her financial "requirements" and wished her success in her quest.

Today she wrote me again, and concluded :

I think that in whole word it can be found out one man who can make me happy. If you decide to answer my letter, please, write in English.

How's that for consistency ?

She SPEAK Spanish, she have never say that she can READ it 

[Zhena]

I am sure there are many elegant and beautiful +40 women. Some are might be even with income 2k per month-if she keeps a business. Also she can advertise herself because cant find a good man for her in her city(I personally know such the women). For sure those women often have more interesting personality than young girls and much more wise too. So if you dont want to have the kids in your marriage anymore,a lady+40 might be a good choice.

[Gator]

Michelangelo,

365 dollars (no), euro (no), pounds (yes)  

Well worth it as they can last a lifetime according to this source:

http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/churchs-black-oxford-shoes

For the price of the model pictured by Rod Collins, drop to the Henry in this link:


http://www.herringshoes.co.uk/search_perfects.asp

http://www.herringshoes.co.uk/product_details.asp?si_id=4595

Actually, these prices are not that expensive.  I understand one can find Italian shoes costing well over $1,000.  If you have a $3,000 suit, it makes sense to have $1,000 shoes,

You have outdone me with the suit; then again, suits do not last a lifetime (I am working on one that may)

I did not take my shoes to Russia.  That place is bad on shoes.  I had $125 Ecco.

[Gator]

JB,

Etna is a classy and beautiful lady - obviously much too good for you.

[Kuna]

When I was searching the web sites looking for interesting girls to date I frequently paused and wished I was a little older, and/or in a different stage of life.

I saw several spectacular older ladies and think that any man that's gathered some years can find a beautiful, reliable and interesting partner to share his life with.

In contrast, I saw many younger ladies that looked interesting on the surface but after on consideration I realised they probably didn't have the life experience I appreciate in a partner.

I'll be happy if any of my favourites turn out to be interesting when we meet, and maybe in the future I can watch her age gracefully.

Kuna

[Gator]

I think we can be a little kinder to VWRW.  All of us are influenced by our culture, and some of VWRW’s comments reflect the prevailing sentiment in Russia. 

In America, 40 is considered relatively young for a woman.  In Russia, a woman is no longer considered young upon reaching 30.   My ex-fiancee at 30 considered Russian men; however, most single men with a good job wrote “til 30” in their Internet profile.  Successful Russian women in their 40s say there is a limited number of successful men to date – plenty of players and married men, but not serious bachelors. 

Why is it that way?  Donna Pedro years ago (remember her?) told me it is for the same reason that dogs lick their own balls – because they can.  Are Russian men really not interested in the inner beauty and intellectual spirit of women?  Is the workplace really a man's world?

[Gator]

I decided for now not to show photos because one man’s beauty queen may be another’s skank.

Yet, no holds are barred for ex-wives.  Here is my older son with his 60-yo mother taken in September.  No plastic surgery but she does color her hair.   Okay, I guess I deserve a few boos.  Actually there are better photos of her; however, it seems that I deleted those.





After our divorce she married an older, less active man and has added some pounds [Sorry darling] We remain friendly – after all, she did bless me with two sons.

So all you Russian women, come to America – the land of eternal beauty through good cosmetics, healthy lifestyle, the zero stress of country club living, a little nip and tuck if you need one, and some friendly laws if you feel the need for divorce.

Can you tell that I may have been over-served tonight?  My older son arrived this afternoon for the holidays and we have been celebrating.  He just left for a party.

[jb]

Etna is a classy and beautiful lady - obviously much too good for you.

Yes, I do know that. 

WRT vwrw's comments, I just find it very irritating when anyone, especially a young pup, says things like *I've only seen 7 women over 40 who knew how to dress and put on makeup*.  She also refutes that a woman might be successful financially.  My wife's situation took me quite unaware, when she arrived she mentioned that she had brought some "traveling money" with her, the next day we went to the bank and made a $20,000 deposit.  I married up in so many ways, beauty was the least of them.  Financially speaking, my wife is worth more than I am.  Years ago I made the occasional reference to my wife's family over on the RWG, and I think no one believed me, but it's true, I married into a very powerful and wealthy family.  Granted, a lot of the money and property is inherited, but it's hers nonetheless.

Not all of us are doomed to marry a $200.00 a month shop girl, I could have found a woman like that at my local Wal-Mart, but if that's what you are attracted to, I wish you well.

[jb]

Gator,

Not to send any boo's you way, but I think the photo posted presents a very attractive woman.  I'll bet good money that she was a stunner in her 40's.

[vwrw]

She is 60 y.o ?! WOWS!!!
Gator, even with some added pounds your ex –wife still is a first class WOMAN!!!

First of all I said in Russia most of women (not everyone but most) who are 40+ they…… to my mind word “most” means – more than 50%. Also there are (let’s assume 30% of women) who are Okay and after professional processing they will look like spectacular ladies on their photos. 
The 7 women I said about are spectacular ladies, not only seem like them on their photos. And there is only one limitation for them to date – their own desire, not number of available successful men.

From Kuna:
I saw several spectacular older ladies and think that any man that's gathered some years can find a beautiful, reliable and interesting partner to share his life with.
In contrast, I saw many younger ladies that looked interesting on the surface but after on consideration I realised they probably didn't have the life experience I appreciate in a partner

Kuna, maybe after communication with the spectacular older ladies you also could realize they didn't have the life experience you appreciate in a partner, who knows???

[vwrw]

From JB: She also refutes that a woman might be successful financially.
If you mean the Natasha – yes, I refuse to believe she is successful financially. If you mean A WOMAN ….show me where I said it?   

[jb]

Kuna,

Life experience is often over rated.

For example, by the time I was 27 I had sailed around the world, not once but twice, on one of my uncle's many yachts.  (I'm sure you've heard of my uncle,,, his name is Sam).  While I think the experience made me more worldly, I doubt it made me any wiser.

I only mention this to remind you to be careful of what you wish for.  All that glitters is not gold, and all that stuff you are already aware of.  Some of the best presents I've ever got came in plain wrappers.  You asked about my criterion on another thread, simply stated, I just asked myself about the possibility of a lasting friendship.  Sure,,, it's nice to have a pretty girlfriend, but is she really your best friend in the mix?  I know my wife is my best friend, and I'm hers.  There is nothing I wouldn't do for her, and she feels the same way.  That's why it's so easy to live with her.  I never have to mince words or spend days walking on egg shells for fear of getting on someone's bad side.  I can just be myself and she's OK with that.   

Of course, we have other commonalities, like similar educational backgrounds, she likes it that she's married to a man who can sit down with her and help her grade college algebra papers, I like it that I can discuss physics with her without losing her after the first sentence.  I like to think there are reasons we are together beyond the physical attraction.   But that's just me.  Lots of people get married for a lot of different reasons, but it really all boils down to what makes you happy in the long term.  I'd say offhand, forget the short term instant gratification, and ask yourself if that woman is still going to make you grin 5 years down life's road.  If the answer is *yes*, then you have a fair shot at grabbing the brass ring.  The worst possible situation would be to find yourself in a perpetual state of boredom and wishing you didn't have to hurry home at close of business.

[KenC]

I find this an interesting thread.  Has anyone else noticed that there is a significant increase in RW listed in the +35 category over the last 5 or 6 years?  (I won't push it back to 98 when I was single)

I think that there are factors that work both for and against RW being able to maintain their beauty through the years.  Lifestyle has to affect it and Russian lifestyle is harder on a woman's beauty than American lifestyle.  The fact that beauty products were not as easily available also has to be a consideration.  Just think about all the creams and lotions on the local drug store shelf sold to maintain skin tone alone.  These products are a lot more prevalent in Russia today, but were hard to come by in past years.  The years that these women were aging.

The up side of the woman maturing in Russia is that Russians tend to be a lot thiner than most Americans. An attractive body is appealing at any age.  Russian society is also very fashion conscious.  More so than America.  The European influence is much more prevalent there than here.  The mind set that has been talked about here over and over again is a factor.  I mean the tendency for RW to present themselves in the best possible ways in any public appearance. I do not buy that a RW that has been fashion and beauty conscious all her life will magically change into one that doesn't care about it at a certain age.

 
I don't want to sidetrack this thread, but this might be a subject for another one.  I find it interesting that jb and Etna have a strong and stable marriage with her coming into it with little motivation to come to America.  To be blunt, a beautiful, intelligent, personable and  secure financially secure woman with a good lifestyle in Russia just didn't need jb's dead butt for anything.  Considering that I feel the same about Lena's and my situation when we met, I wonder how much of a factor this is in the success potential of a RW/AM marriage?  Could it be that the less there is to be gained by moving to America, the better the chance there is of having a successful marriage?  Or is it that guys like jb and I had to woo our spouses in a more traditional manner because of our women really didn't need a white knight but were open to a real relationship and not a quickie one week stand?
KenC

[CaptB]

Ken C,

If you were there (Tver/LTP) in 1998......you are right. The pickens were slim for women 35+. I was talking to Marc and Steve Morvay who said in the begining....."only" the younger woman would consider joining an agency. Back then 99% were 18 - 30. It took some encouragement and making contacts to get the older women to participate. I went in June of 2001. By then....things had changed quite a bit (like many things changing quickly in Russia). Out of the two dozen women I met......one was 30 (I met her as a favor to Iolani.....remember him on the RWG?).....one was 33.......all the rest were 35+. Now if you check websites......women this age are much more common now.


jb,

That picture brings back memories. The cognac and cigar at the reception on the balcony......looking through the glass door......from the balcony...........the good stuff! 



Capt B

[jb]

That picture brings back memories. The cognac and cigar at the reception on the balcony......looking through the glass door......from the balcony...........the good stuff!

Yeah, the room had more than it's fair share of attractive women, didn't it?

P.S. (I met her as a favor to Iolani.....remember him on the RWG?)  Yes, he was a biochemist living in San Francisco IIRC, originally from Hawaii.  I've often wondered how he and his Russian bride are doing.  Further, IIRC, didn't he go to Tver, swing and miss, went to Moscow and hit a home run???

[Turboguy]

Ah, the normal jb is back today.  The 5 year old one seems to have vanished and the wiser and more thoughtful one (definition of thoughtful is one who thinks things out and not to be confused with considerate or tactful, we all know jb says it like he sees it) 

jb, It is nice you wife was not only beautiful and intelligent but successful in Russia as well as here.  I think many in the persuit of an FSU women tend to think of the gals there as struggling to get by.  Last year on VJ a guy was posting about trying to figure out how his gal could bring her $ 50,000 in traveling money with her.  She did manage it.

As far as your interpretation of VWRW's remarks, I think you were both talking about different things.   I agree with you about life experience.  I think it is a little like if you are trying to clean up some spilled milk.  It will work better with a sponge than a rock.  Some people can learn and grow from life experience.  Others are who they are and are limited in their ability to sop things up. 

Gator, nice looking ex.  It is nice you two can still be friends.  The best I can say for mine is we are civil and polite to each other.

Ken,  I agree with you about more quality older women than before as well as the reasoning you gave for the differences in appearance here and there. 

Yeah, the room had more than it's fair share of attractive women, didn't it?

P.S.  Further, IIRC, didn't he go to Tver, swing and miss, went to Moscow and hit a home run???

I think that is harder to do in these days.  Just as there may be more older women who are interested in AM, finding good ones in Moscow has gotten harder.  Just look at the agencies that used to focus on Kiev and Moscow that now go to Vinittsa and N. Novgorod.   I am not saying it can't be done.

I think younger women are less tied down in their life and jumped on the bandwagon much faster.   I think there is more logic to the +30 or so gals to be interested in men from other countries now and I think that is sinking in a bit.

[ConnerVT]

My wife just barely made KenC's demographic group (35+) when I met her in Tver in 2003 (even though she grudgingly agreed to "become" 29 on her last birthday, after several years holding at 28   ).

She was talked in to accompanying two of her younger co-workers/friends to the LTP office for moral support.  One backed out at the last minute, the other remained on LTP's site for a number of years (even after having a child and marrying).

It has been said by a number of people (both here, and those involved in "The Industry") that nearly 50% of the men who visit are not, how can I put it delicately, uhhh.., not marriage material.  Perhaps a mature woman has a lower tolerance to bullcr@p than a younger women, thus choosing not to get involved with such things.

My wife had planned, on her visit to the LTP office to meet me, to request they pull her profile from the agency, after only meeting a limited number of men.  From the stories she has told me, I understand completely...